Current Events > Super Mario RPG has such a random fucking final boss.

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Doe posted...

pres_madagascar posted...

They need to do a new mario rpg that isn't ass like sticker star.

Weren't the new Mario & Luigi games good? Paper Jam or whatever but especially Dream Team?

The latter's spritework alone is a love letter.

Yes. Bowser's Inside Story, Dream Team, and Paper Jam are all fantastic. I didn't play the remake of Superstar Saga. Partners in Time was the weakest entry IMO.
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Partners in Time is the only Mario RPG I have played to completion. I adored it as a little kid
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Doe posted...

Partners in Time is the only Mario RPG I have played to completion. I adored it as a little kid

Play more of them!!!
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Even the Mario RPG commercial ad referred to the sword as Smithy.
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ExtremeLuchador posted...

Even the Mario RPG commercial ad referred to the sword as Smithy.

"All was peaceful in the Mushroom Kingdom... until Smithy the Sword shattered the Star Road!"

the little booklet that came with the game didnt say princess toadstool was a party member so i was surprised when i got her
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I never figured out how to get to that secret casino area. This was before gamefaqs.
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_____Cait posted...

I never figured out how to get to that secret casino area. This was before gamefaqs.

The game did have some bullshit that you'd never figure out without a guide.

You literally have to disrupt the story to discover the first hidden treasure and you only get one chance to do so.

I probably had the same guide as you. Man that treasure chest was obscure as fuck.
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i actually figured out how to get that treasure chest without a guide
after i got the item that rings when you are in a room with a treasure chest i looked everywhere for the invisible one but couldnt find it

i knew you could ride the toads head because i did it for fun so i reset the game to see if that was how you got the treasure chest and after a few resets i did get it.
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yusiko posted...

i actually figured out how to get that treasure chest without a guide
after i got the item that rings when you are in a room with a treasure chest i looked everywhere for the invisible one but couldnt find it

i knew you could ride the toads head because i did it for fun so i reset the game to see if that was how you got the treasure chest and after a few resets i did get it.

You still had to reset the entire game to reach it and it's still a break from the story.

"We must rescue the princess immediately! Let me stop and grab this hidden treasure that I shouldn't know the existence of yet."

I turned the game off for seven years because of that.

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That's nothing it's an optional hidden chest
Finding the gold nail in secret of the stars is mandatory

The game give you know hint as you where it is. All it tells you is that you can't fix the boat without one and by this point you have explored most of the world map so it's like trying to find a needle in a haystack

You need to go behind a panel in a wall of a house that is way out of the way and you only visited once before in the game and you couldnt go behind the wall at that point or any other point in the game
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I love this game. Replayed it again on the SNES Classic and I had just as much fun as I did 20 years ago when it first came out.

Which boss did you guys find the most difficult back then? Croco round 2, Yardovich, Axem Rangers, and Smithy all gave me trouble.
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johnny if fought with just mario
thats the only one i had any issue with
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Conflict posted...

Morpheus102686 posted...

I love this game. Replayed it again on the SNES Classic and I had just as much fun as I did 20 years ago when it first came out.

Which boss did you guys find the most difficult back then? Croco round 2, Yardovich, Axem Rangers, and Smithy all gave me trouble.

Yardovich was the only boss I remembered having trouble with

Yeah Yardovich was a pain in the ass. Fuck that fight.
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Yaridovich, Axem Rangers, and Smithy were the difficult ones for me.

It was my first RPG, so I picked the health increase every time. It made it impossible to beat Smithy because my defensive skills were so weak. I also used Bowser and Mallow (and continue to do so), so Peach's game breaking healing powers weren't a factor.

Skye Reynolds posted...

Yaridovich, Axem Rangers, and Smithy were the difficult ones for me.

It was my first RPG, so I picked the health increase every time. It made it impossible to beat Smithy because my defensive skills were so weak. I also used Bowser and Mallow (and continue to do so), so Peach's game breaking healing powers weren't a factor.

not using the most powerful character huh. because she is a woman?
thats sexist you know
for shame
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yusiko posted...

i still think that star hill needed a boss fight. it has the coolest looking battlefield in the game and it just goes tom waste.

You don't know about the secret boss from FF5 there after you beat the crystal dude without using any items?
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Trigg3rH4ppy posted...

yusiko posted...

i still think that star hill needed a boss fight. it has the coolest looking battlefield in the game and it just goes tom waste.

You don't know about the secret boss there after you beat the crystal dude without using any items?

there isnt one
and you make it sound like beating culex with no items is hard O_o
you still have peach there to trivialize the entire fight
hell if you equip her with the lazy shell you can just let the crystals waste their FP and then revive everyone and just attack for a super easy win
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If you face Culex at a low enough level, he can still potentially kill lazy shell Peach with his Dark Star attack. I used that trick the last time I played and I still almost lost.

I haven't played any myself but isn't there a bunch of early final fantasies that had the final boss be some random animal/bug monster that has nothing to do with the actual story
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GiftedACIII posted...

I haven't played any myself but isn't there a bunch of early final fantasies that had the final boss be some random animal/bug monster that has nothing to do with the actual story

no
only ff9 really has a final boss that comes out of fucking nowhere
ever other final fantasy actually builds up the boss during the story
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Skye Reynolds posted...

It was my first RPG, so I picked the health increase every time.

I DID THE EXACT SAME THING

Like holy crap dude. I remember playing it as a kid, having like 350HP as Mario and then when I played through it again when I was older and understood RPG mechanics, I remember Mario having like 150HP at the end of the game and being like "Wait, how'd that happen?"

Morpheus102686 posted...

Which boss did you guys find the most difficult back then? Croco round 2, Yardovich, Axem Rangers, and Smithy all gave me trouble.

Croco 2 brutalized me when I first played as a kid. Didn't understand the concept of grinding and I think it took me like a week to finally beat him. I almost gave up the game because of it.
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I was so excited the first time I did the Moleville Mountain trolley ride.

Also did the rest of you ever stay in the Marrymore hotel suite longer than you had the money for?

yeah the main villain was ass
there's a reason no one ever talks about him
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I wonder how video games wind up with uninspired final bosses. Is it because their creativity goes into making the earlier bosses and they've run out of ideas by the final boss? Is it because they feel they have to conform to what a final boss should look like?

In the case of Super Mario RPG, they were pretty lazy with the final boss. The enemies are weapons, so let's make the final boss a blacksmith. :/

Well what did you want? You never see him earlier because he stays there doing his thing.

I can't say I had any expectations of what Smithy would look like because I thought "Smithy" was the name of the giant sword. But I will say that I randomly selected three NES / SNES games from my collection and all three of them had more imaginative final bosses than Super Mario RPG.

TMNT 2: The Arcade Game
- Shredder

Battletoads & Double Dragon: The Ultimate Team
- The Dark Queen

Mega Man X
- Sigma

The Dark Queen is a leather clad dominatrix who wouldn't be appropriate for the Mario series and Sigma is just a Dragon Ball Z villain who shaved his head and changed his name for copyright purposes. But they still stand out in comparison to Smithy.

Must've taken a lot of imagination to land on Shredder as the boss of a TMNT game.

I mean, okay. That was a licensing game. They didn't have much of a choice in who would be the final boss. But he still has a unique look.

Smithy's design could work with more time for character development. But in terms of him being the unseen boss behind the final door, that look is a bit of a letdown.

Know what? Ironically, Thousand Year Door had a similar thing happen with the Shadow Queen. TBF at least in that game's case the final boss is unseen the whole game for the sake of a plot twist, but even so when you finally find out about her she's just sort of a purpley blob lady. Compared to the rest of the insanely creative characters in that game, Shadow Queen was really bland.

And don't get me wrong, TTYD is like in my Top 5 games ever made.
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like 99% of the kids who played battletoads couldnt get past the hoverboards let alone make it all the way to the final boss so most people just werent aware how inappropriate the final boss was
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Skye Reynolds posted...

In the case of Super Mario RPG, they were pretty lazy with the final boss. The enemies are weapons, so let's make the final boss a blacksmith. :/

That's not lazy, it's clever.
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27_Sandman_40 posted...

This was a typical Square trope back in the day. The Final Fantasies would always paint someone as the main villian and do a complete switcheroo at the very end out of nowhere.

I'm not going to put any names, but I remember one game where they build up the main bad guy the entire game. The final battle is tough and takes a lot to beat. Then, once you beat him, some random entity shows up like "I'M GOD!" and fights you.
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yusiko posted...

like 99% of the kids who played battletoads couldnt get past the hoverboards let alone make it all the way to the final boss so most people just werent aware how inappropriate the final boss was

What's inappropriate? The fact that it looks like she's spreading her legs when she starts her spin attack? lol
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yusiko posted...

like 99% of the kids who played battletoads couldnt get past the hoverboards let alone make it all the way to the final boss so most people just werent aware how inappropriate the final boss was

The game that I grabbed at random was Battletoads / Double Dragon. It's much easier than Battletoads. And to see the final boss, you need only to wait about 30 seconds during the introduction.



She's not indecent by any means, but she wouldn't fit a Mario game.

Also, I just realized her cape is on backwards.

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Skye Reynolds posted...

Also, I just realized her cape is on backwards.

<_<

I think it's just flowing to the left. Like how Dracula can pull it in front of him.
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But the cape is outstretched and positioned opposite from the viewer. In order to get that angle, she'd have to be wearing it backwards or have a ring around her neck which would allow her cape to rotate.

Skye Reynolds posted...

She's not indecent by any means, but she wouldn't fit a Mario game.

by the standards that were there at the time the game came out she certainly was
now a days nothing about her is to bad

but if you were a parent and you saw your 5 year old (incredibly gifted 5 year old managing to get that far)

get to the final boss and you see a giant muscular toad which today makes me unable to judge furries, beating the crap out of a small woman in fetish gear you would raise an eyebrow
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I couldn't say what my standards would've been if I'd been a parent in the 90s.

yusiko posted...

Skye Reynolds posted...

She's not indecent by any means, but she wouldn't fit a Mario game.

by the standards that were there at the time the game came out she certainly was
now a days nothing about her is to bad

but if you were a parent and you saw your 5 year old (incredibly gifted 5 year old managing to get that far)

get to the final boss and you see a giant muscular toad which today makes me unable to judge furries, beating the crap out of a small woman in fetish gear you would raise an eyebrow

Beating the crap of a small woman in fetish gear lmao
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She's not really a small woman. She's like 7' tall.

Skye Reynolds posted...

She's not really a small woman. She's like 7' tall.

i remember her being smaller than the frogs but your comment made me double check on youtube and you are right she is freaking giant
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Idk based on that image she's not really that provocative. She looks like a standard 90s villain. She'd fit right into Spider-Man or Batman TAS.
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Definitely. But I don't think Poison Ivy would exactly fit in the Mario universe. I think Valentina's jiggling breasts are as much as we're gonna get in that department.

To be honest, I could see them including a character like her today. But not back then.

Skye Reynolds posted...

Definitely. But I don't think Poison Ivy would exactly fit in the Mario universe. I think Valentina's jiggling breasts are as much as we're gonna get in that department.

To be honest, I could see them including a character like her today. But not back then.

Daisy's boobs jiggle a little when you pick her on the character select screen in Mario Kart 8. Like not really JIGGLE jiggle, but they do very conspicuously bounce up and back down.
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