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saspa 01/25/18 5:04:58 PM #1:	At least, if we consider the 90s to be Disney Renaissance up until 1999 with Tarzan and Fantasia 2000. James Woods as Hades probably props up Hercules pretty high above Pocahontas, which only has the color of the winds song as any good, and maybe savages. While Hercules screws up greek mythology, that's the least of the movie's problems and not as bad as screwing up real life events likes Pocy did. I still feel ambivalent about many elements of Hercules. Stuff like Megara's whole deal and Hercules being the only white bread goody two shoes I've never liked (when that archetype is my absolute favorite in shows and movies) and the soundtrack, which I could go either way with praising or finding annoying depending on my mood. Pocahontas has a lot going against it. Like a lot. Stuff that was ok as a kid isn't nearly as fun, endearing or charming like the talking tree and the animals and mel gibson's John Smith. And the movie just has... no point. Like by the end it was like... what was the point of the movie? JS and the white men sail away on their ship, and Pocy watches them leave. Movie is kind of a depressing waste of time in that sense. Those are more or less the 2 duds of that era, but even being duds in that era isn't so bad when they've got great art and soundtrack sometimes. --- http://i.imgur.com/0UFI0T9.jpg <cite>saspa posted [p:894795015] in Disney's H... [t:76242258]...</cite> <quote>At least, if we consider the 90s to be Disney Renaissance up until 1999 with Tarzan and Fantasia 2000. James Woods as Hades probably props up Hercules pretty high above Pocahontas, which only has the color of the winds song as any good, and maybe savages. While Hercules screws up greek mythology, that's the least of the movie's problems and not as bad as screwing up real life events likes Pocy did. I still feel ambivalent about many elements of Hercules. Stuff like Megara's whole deal and Hercules being the only white bread goody two shoes I've never liked (when that archetype is my absolute favorite in shows and movies) and the soundtrack, which I could go either way with praising or finding annoying depending on my mood. Pocahontas has a lot going against it. Like a lot. Stuff that was ok as a kid isn't nearly as fun, endearing or charming like the talking tree and the animals and mel gibson's John Smith. And the movie just has... no point. Like by the end it was like... what was the point of the movie? JS and the white men sail away on their ship, and Pocy watches them leave. Movie is kind of a depressing waste of time in that sense. Those are more or less the 2 duds of that era, but even being duds in that era isn't so bad when they've got great art and soundtrack sometimes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PiOverlord 01/25/18 5:05:59 PM #2:	I love Hercules. Get out of here. --- Number of legendary 500 post topics: 26, 500th posts: 17; PiO ATTN: 2 RotM wins 1, Caring is sharing: https://imgur.com/a/W3bEo <cite>PiOverlord posted [p:894795071] in Disney's H... [t:76242258]...</cite> <quote>I love Hercules. Get out of here.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kaname_Madoka 01/25/18 5:06:42 PM #3:	PiOverlord posted... I love Hercules. Get out of here. --- Drawn for me: Volkswagen_Bros, ShinobiNinjaX, Popcorn_Fairy + Nayr626. https://imgur.com/gallery/B4o8m League Summoner Name: DontIoseYourWay (the I is an i) <cite>Kaname_Madoka posted [p:894795118] in Disney's H... [t:76242258]...</cite> <quote><cite>PiOverlord posted...</cite> <quote>I love Hercules. Get out of here.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DifferentialEquation 01/25/18 5:08:07 PM #4:	Neither. Aladdin and The Lion King are tied for the worst. --- There's no business to be taxed. <cite>DifferentialEquation posted [p:894795217] in Disney's H... [t:76242258]...</cite> <quote>Neither. Aladdin and The Lion King are tied for the worst.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Awakened_Link 01/25/18 5:08:53 PM #5:	I understand the hate some people feel towards Pocahontas, but I've always really enjoyed that movie regardless. Probably even more than Hercules tbh. Plus she's smokin' hot. --- NNID: awakened_link37 \| Add me on Miitomo! Twitter: @awakened_link Formerly known as Coleby <cite>Awakened_Link posted [p:894795278] in Disney's H... [t:76242258]...</cite> <quote>I understand the hate some people feel towards Pocahontas, but I've always really enjoyed that movie regardless. Probably even more than Hercules tbh. Plus she's smokin' hot.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Offworlder1 01/25/18 5:09:18 PM #6:	DifferentialEquation posted... Neither. Aladdin and The Lion King are tied for the worst. The trolliest answer I have seen today. --- "Always two there are, a master and an apprentice" <cite>Offworlder1 posted [p:894795301] in Disney's H... [t:76242258]...</cite> <quote><cite>DifferentialEquation posted...</cite> <quote>Neither. Aladdin and The Lion King are tied for the worst.</quote> The trolliest answer I have seen today.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 01/25/18 5:10:00 PM #7:	I'm allergic to musicals that don't involve Trey Parker, so I can't give a useful response here. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:894795341] in Disney's H... [t:76242258]...</cite> <quote>I'm allergic to musicals that don't involve Trey Parker, so I can't give a useful response here.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
saspa 01/25/18 5:10:40 PM #8:	Awakened_Link posted... I understand the hate some people feel towards Pocahontas, but I've always really enjoyed that movie regardless. Probably even more than Hercules tbh. Plus she's smokin' hot. I enjoyed it as a kid... probably way more than I should... way more. Which is probably why I hate it now. --- http://i.imgur.com/0UFI0T9.jpg <cite>saspa posted [p:894795382] in Disney's H... [t:76242258]...</cite> <quote><cite>Awakened_Link posted...</cite> <quote>I understand the hate some people feel towards Pocahontas, but I've always really enjoyed that movie regardless. Probably even more than Hercules tbh. Plus she's smokin' hot.</quote> I enjoyed it as a kid... probably way more than I should... way more. Which is probably why I hate it now.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChromaticAngel 01/25/18 5:11:46 PM #9:	Hercules is really bad. Pocahontas was just normal bad. --- https://puu.sh/tcLsT/24f4611235.png https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg <cite>ChromaticAngel posted [p:894795455] in Disney's H... [t:76242258]...</cite> <quote>Hercules is really bad. Pocahontas was just normal bad.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ledbowman 01/25/18 5:12:01 PM #10:	Tarzan. Phil Collins. --- I wish we all waved <cite>ledbowman posted [p:894795472] in Disney's H... [t:76242258]...</cite> <quote>Tarzan. Phil Collins.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funkydog 01/25/18 5:12:04 PM #11:	Both were fabulous though. Hercules was better I guess, but both still darn good. --- http://i.imgur.com/BGbZK.gif <cite>Funkydog posted [p:894795474] in Disney's H... [t:76242258]...</cite> <quote>Both were fabulous though. Hercules was better I guess, but both still darn good.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blue_Inigo 01/25/18 5:13:35 PM #12:	Kaname_Madoka posted... PiOverlord posted... I love Hercules. Get out of here. --- "This is your last dance." <cite>Blue_Inigo posted [p:894795564] in Disney's H... [t:76242258]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kaname_Madoka posted...</cite> <quote><cite>PiOverlord posted...</cite> <quote>I love Hercules. Get out of here.</quote></quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Phantom_Nook 01/25/18 5:13:37 PM #13:	Pocahontas, easily. --- When a girl has sex with a bunch of guys, they call her a slut, but when a guy does it, they call him gay. ~ Antifar <cite>Phantom_Nook posted [p:894795569] in Disney's H... [t:76242258]...</cite> <quote>Pocahontas, easily.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChromaticAngel 01/25/18 5:14:25 PM #14:	saspa posted... Movie is kind of a depressing waste of time in that sense. The real ending is even more depressing. Pocahontas leaves on a ship to england to meet John Smith but he's not there. She gets news that there was a gunpowder explosion on John Smith's ship and he never made it back. She ends up marrying some random guy named John Rolfe. Then later John Smith shows back up and is like all "fuck I survived" all Tom Hanks castaway style and Pocahontas who is like married with kids to Rolfe at this point is like "dude what the fuck?" and that's the end. --- https://puu.sh/tcLsT/24f4611235.png https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg <cite>ChromaticAngel posted [p:894795623] in Disney's H... [t:76242258]...</cite> <quote><cite>saspa posted...</cite> <quote>Movie is kind of a depressing waste of time in that sense. </quote> The real ending is even more depressing. Pocahontas leaves on a ship to england to meet John Smith but he's not there. She gets news that there was a gunpowder explosion on John Smith's ship and he never made it back. She ends up marrying some random guy named John Rolfe. Then later John Smith shows back up and is like all "fuck I survived" all Tom Hanks castaway style and Pocahontas who is like married with kids to Rolfe at this point is like "dude what the fuck?" and that's the end.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThePrinceFish 01/25/18 5:14:47 PM #15:	Hercules was literally the best of the renaissance movies sooo --- Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that." <cite>ThePrinceFish posted [p:894795644] in Disney's H... [t:76242258]...</cite> <quote>Hercules was literally the best of the renaissance movies sooo</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
saspa 01/25/18 5:16:35 PM #16:	Also if the best thing about Hercules is that it gave us the secret boss fights of the coliseum in kh 1 then... yeah. Speaks for itself. And of course James Woods Hades is the best thing to come out of that movie. As much as I liked Pocy as a kid with all those hot main characters it just doesn't have that, something good that came out of the movie. --- http://i.imgur.com/0UFI0T9.jpg <cite>saspa posted [p:894795775] in Disney's H... [t:76242258]...</cite> <quote>Also if the best thing about Hercules is that it gave us the secret boss fights of the coliseum in kh 1 then... yeah. Speaks for itself. And of course James Woods Hades is the best thing to come out of that movie. As much as I liked Pocy as a kid with all those hot main characters it just doesn't have that, something good that came out of the movie.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThePrinceFish 01/25/18 5:19:08 PM #17:	The best thing from Hercules was the soundtrack. And then James Woods. --- Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that." <cite>ThePrinceFish posted [p:894795929] in Disney's H... [t:76242258]...</cite> <quote>The best thing from Hercules was the soundtrack. And then James Woods.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sktgamer_13dude 01/25/18 5:21:41 PM #18:	Little Mermaid or the Rescuers are worse than Hercules or Pocahontas. Hercules is like the best Renaissance movie anyway. --- http://i.imgur.com/jWVrg9U.gif http://i.imgur.com/g2efUtT.jpg http://i.imgur.com/5dOwhaP.jpg http://i.imgur.com/LVdqu8J.gif Go Cougs and M's #DI4B <cite>sktgamer_13dude posted [p:894796093] in Disney's H... [t:76242258]...</cite> <quote>Little Mermaid or the Rescuers are worse than Hercules or Pocahontas. Hercules is like the best Renaissance movie anyway.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 01/25/18 5:26:22 PM #19:	Blue_Inigo posted... Kaname_Madoka posted... PiOverlord posted... I love Hercules. Get out of here. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:894796416] in Disney's H... [t:76242258]...</cite> <quote><cite>Blue_Inigo posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kaname_Madoka posted...</cite> <quote><cite>PiOverlord posted...</cite> <quote>I love Hercules. Get out of here.</quote></quote></quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
saspa 01/25/18 5:30:14 PM #20:	ChromaticAngel posted... saspa posted... Movie is kind of a depressing waste of time in that sense. The real ending is even more depressing. Pocahontas leaves on a ship to england to meet John Smith but he's not there. She gets news that there was a gunpowder explosion on John Smith's ship and he never made it back. She ends up marrying some random guy named John Rolfe. Then later John Smith shows back up and is like all "fuck I survived" all Tom Hanks castaway style and Pocahontas who is like married with kids to Rolfe at this point is like "dude what the fuck?" and that's the end. Yeah that too. And the whole what eventually happens to native americans in the coming 300 years thing. --- http://i.imgur.com/0UFI0T9.jpg <cite>saspa posted [p:894796645] in Disney's H... [t:76242258]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChromaticAngel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>saspa posted...</cite> <quote>Movie is kind of a depressing waste of time in that sense. </quote> The real ending is even more depressing. Pocahontas leaves on a ship to england to meet John Smith but he's not there. She gets news that there was a gunpowder explosion on John Smith's ship and he never made it back. She ends up marrying some random guy named John Rolfe. Then later John Smith shows back up and is like all "fuck I survived" all Tom Hanks castaway style and Pocahontas who is like married with kids to Rolfe at this point is like "dude what the fuck?" and that's the end.</quote> Yeah that too. And the whole what eventually happens to native americans in the coming 300 years thing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 01/25/18 5:40:16 PM #21:	saspa posted... Yeah that too. And the whole what eventually happens to native americans in the coming 300 years thing. What, making fucktons of money from casinos and cheap cigarettes? <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:894797228] in Disney's H... [t:76242258]...</cite> <quote><cite>saspa posted...</cite> <quote>Yeah that too. And the whole what eventually happens to native americans in the coming 300 years thing.</quote> What, making fucktons of money from casinos and cheap cigarettes?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bringit 01/25/18 5:41:06 PM #22:	Hades was indeed a show-stealer but I also think Meg was a standout too. She had a really cool personality, kind of a less polite/moral Jasmine, and her song was awesome. All the characters are fairly memorable. Movie doesn't deserve the shit-list, IMO but I'll admit it doesn't feel quite as iconic as some of the other films. I can't speak for Pocahontas as I haven't seen it in so long, though. --- "All will be well." <cite>Bringit posted [p:894797275] in Disney's H... [t:76242258]...</cite> <quote>Hades was indeed a show-stealer but I also think Meg was a standout too. She had a really cool personality, kind of a less polite/moral Jasmine, and her song was awesome. All the characters are fairly memorable. Movie doesn't deserve the shit-list, IMO but I'll admit it doesn't feel quite as iconic as some of the other films. I can't speak for Pocahontas as I haven't seen it in so long, though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UncleBourbon33 01/25/18 5:41:10 PM #23:	Pochahontas was just boring. Hercules sucked but it was more entertaining at least. --- "Wanting something doesn't make it a human right." https://i.imgur.com/aqrImUY.gif <cite>UncleBourbon33 posted [p:894797284] in Disney's H... [t:76242258]...</cite> <quote>Pochahontas was just boring. Hercules sucked but it was more entertaining at least.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Skye Reynolds 01/26/18 12:49:17 AM #24:	I don't have one good thing to say about Pocahontas. First off, even if it had been good, I hate liberties being taken with historical figures. It's one thing to tell a story inspired by Pocahontas's rescue of John Smith. It's another to turn a 13 year old girl in a relationship with a fat bearded guy into a romance between a Native American Tyra Banks and an Aryan Mel Gibson. Second, it's just a horrible film in its own right. The Disney knockoffs like Quest for Camelot and Anastasia were better movies. The villain is terrible. The leads have little personality. Nothing really happens in the film. It's just a bunch of scenery and they expect you to watch the film because she's the first Native American protagonist a Disney movie has had. (Yes, they did progress instead of a plot in the 90s too.) Also, I hate to be this guy, but how do you tack a happy ending on a film like that when centuries of war and genocide followed? A raccoon and a dog playfully chasing one another is not an accurate metaphor for the conflicts which would ensue. It deserves all of the hate it gets and far, far more. <cite>Skye Reynolds posted [p:894821620] in Disney's H... [t:76242258]...</cite> <quote>I don't have one good thing to say about Pocahontas. First off, even if it had been good, I hate liberties being taken with historical figures. It's one thing to tell a story inspired by Pocahontas's rescue of John Smith. It's another to turn a 13 year old girl in a relationship with a fat bearded guy into a romance between a Native American Tyra Banks and an Aryan Mel Gibson. Second, it's just a horrible film in its own right. The Disney knockoffs like Quest for Camelot and Anastasia were better movies. The villain is terrible. The leads have little personality. Nothing really happens in the film. It's just a bunch of scenery and they expect you to watch the film because she's the first Native American protagonist a Disney movie has had. (Yes, they did progress instead of a plot in the 90s too.) Also, I hate to be this guy, but how do you tack a happy ending on a film like that when centuries of war and genocide followed? A raccoon and a dog playfully chasing one another is not an accurate metaphor for the conflicts which would ensue. It deserves all of the hate it gets and far, far more.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Skye Reynolds 01/26/18 12:50:31 AM #25:	Hercules made some mistakes, but it had some good moments. Megara is smokin' hot, the characters are interesting, and there were a few good fights scenes. Also, Hades was the last great Disney villain. It's not a great Disney movie, but it's not the worst of the 90s either. <cite>Skye Reynolds posted [p:894821679] in Disney's H... [t:76242258]...</cite> <quote>Hercules made some mistakes, but it had some good moments. Megara is smokin' hot, the characters are interesting, and there were a few good fights scenes. Also, Hades was the last great Disney villain. It's not a great Disney movie, but it's not the worst of the 90s either.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 01/26/18 12:52:43 AM #26:	I love Hercules. Easily the best Superman movie ever. Pocahontas was just dull --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 http://i.imgur.com/mPvcy.png <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:894821762] in Disney's H... [t:76242258]...</cite> <quote>I love Hercules. Easily the best Superman movie ever. Pocahontas was just dull</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dave_is_slick 01/26/18 12:57:09 AM #27:	DifferentialEquation posted... Neither. Aladdin and The Lion King are tied for the worst. Fuck you for even joking like that. --- The most relaxing version of Aquatic Ambiance I've ever heard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl61y1XM7sM <cite>dave_is_slick posted [p:894821920] in Disney's H... [t:76242258]...</cite> <quote><cite>DifferentialEquation posted...</cite> <quote>Neither. Aladdin and The Lion King are tied for the worst.</quote> Fuck you for even joking like that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 01/26/18 12:58:50 AM #28:	Hercules is shit. as a proud fan of mythology, and also a huge fan of Hercules The Legendary Journeys, the cartoon was a piece of shit. Only kids liked it. <cite>Zikten posted [p:894821988] in Disney's H... [t:76242258]...</cite> <quote>Hercules is shit. as a proud fan of mythology, and also a huge fan of Hercules The Legendary Journeys, the cartoon was a piece of shit. Only kids liked it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Esrac 01/26/18 12:59:59 AM #29:	Hercules is in my top 5 Disney animated movies. The other four are: Lion King Aladdin Moana Beauty and the Beast --- http://steamcommunity.com/id/Esrac/wishlist/ <cite>Esrac posted [p:894822035] in Disney's H... [t:76242258]...</cite> <quote>Hercules is in my top 5 Disney animated movies. The other four are: Lion King Aladdin Moana Beauty and the Beast</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mistere Man 01/26/18 1:05:28 AM #30:	Can I dislike both equally? --- Water+Fall=Radiation. <cite>Mistere Man posted [p:894822216] in Disney's H... [t:76242258]...</cite> <quote>Can I dislike both equally?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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