Current Events > Crocodile Dundee was a sexist, racist, homophobe, says soyboy on the Guardian.

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Is that the same guy whose wifes son is Dequandro?
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"soyboy"
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gnomefromnome posted...

No one said timeless. Its a new Classic

Hogan told People Magazine: Im excited to introduce the new Crocodile Dundee to the world, and he described the film as one that has stood the test of time.

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Sparksfanboy posted...

Why do you get so infuriated

yeah why do you? it's it because I recalled your manifesto you posted on CE about how said you were about how your life is going stuck working at a gas station that you have been following me? You really need to get over it bro smh
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Sparksfanboy posted...

Oh it doesn't bother me at all

Of course it does lol, the mods told me themselves you felt harassed by me posting the details of your sad breakdown of your life lol until I informed them it was in response to you following me like a dog. I'd say it bothers you quite a bit if you were inclined enough to tell everyone here how sad you are over how your life has gone so far, maybe that's why you keep spreadsheetss of people and track who was warned/suspended? I guess it lets you ignore how bad your life outside of Gamefaqs is, even if just for a moment tbh
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Sparksfanboy posted...

Amazing

and true :)
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The Great Muta 22 posted...

Lmao Mal, do you seriously use "soyboy" as an insult? No wonder people laugh in your face

I couldn't think of a better word to describe the writer. Can you?
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I mean... Dundee is supposed to be a social rube. A guy whose heart is in the right place, but ends up doing a lot of things society considers TABOO. The movie's funny, but make no mistake, we're laughing AT Dundee as much as with him. The movie knows and makes it clear dundee is doing the wrong thing; that's the joke. We love him because he's genuine and has no ill will to anyone (except the movie's genuine dickheads).

Meanwhile, all the "proper" people are shown to be insincere dickheads riding on popular trends, looking down on Dundee for their own amusement, or otherwise exploiting situstions, people, or feelings for personal gain or pride.

...wait a minute, I know why they hate this movie!
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DarkBuster22904 posted...

I mean... Dundee is supposed to be a social rube. A guy whose heart is in the right place, but ends up doing a lot of things society considers TABOO. The movie's funny, but make no mistake, we're laughing AT Dundee as much as with him. The movie knows and makes it clear dundee is doing the wrong thing; that's the joke. We love him because he's genuine and has no ill will to anyone (except the movie's genuine dickheads).

Meanwhile, all the "proper" people are shown to be insincere dickheads riding on popular trends, looking down on Dundee for their own amusement, or otherwise exploiting situstions, people, or feelings for personal gain or pride.

...wait a minute, I know why they hate this movie!

Bingo.

The suggestion that he's racist is utterly laughable too, considering who he prefers to keep company with in the film.
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mario2000 posted...

The Great Muta 22 posted...

Lmao Mal, do you seriously use "soyboy" as an insult? No wonder people laugh in your face

"cuck" became discredited so the redhats needed a new insult

And while you two have your hissy fit, there's some people actually contributing to the discussion.

Funbazooka posted...

The joke is that Dundee (the fish out of water) checks her crotch because his nature is to be direct in an over-the-top way, he doesn't understand it's improper or anything. And he's never seen a transwoman in person or really heard about them. You could argue he's not homophobic since he's not scared to cup male genitalia just to check if it's there or not. He doesn't give a shit because he's an alpha.

For the most part he's a noble, honest, and principled guy (yet imperfect) who suddenly finds himself in a strange land where people are either two-faced, conceal their true nature, and things are not what they seem.

Man, those were the days, back when it was okay to make movies that positively portrayed masculinity.

DarkBuster22904 posted...

I mean... Dundee is supposed to be a social rube. A guy whose heart is in the right place, but ends up doing a lot of things society considers TABOO. The movie's funny, but make no mistake, we're laughing AT Dundee as much as with him. The movie knows and makes it clear dundee is doing the wrong thing; that's the joke. We love him because he's genuine and has no ill will to anyone (except the movie's genuine dickheads).

Meanwhile, all the "proper" people are shown to be insincere dickheads riding on popular trends, looking down on Dundee for their own amusement, or otherwise exploiting situstions, people, or feelings for personal gain or pride.

...wait a minute, I know why they hate this movie!

You got to think he's either just writing a piece like this to pat himself on the back. Or he's never seen the movie.

It's like getting huffy about Jackie Chan's "What's up my _______?" In Rush Hour when the the whole point of the scene was Lee didn't know the context of what he was saying. And the fight was the consequence of it. He wasn't trying to insult the patrons of the bar. Just copying what Carter said.
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I tell you what, let's not make this sequel and instead feed this guy to some crocodiles. That sounds like a win/win situation.

Skye Reynolds posted...

I tell you what, let's not make this sequel and instead feed this guy to some crocodiles. That sounds like a win/win situation.

I would buy a ticket to that.
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Fun for the whole family.

Mal_Fet posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

are you asserting that it's perfectly acceptable to grab the groin of a stranger to determine gender?

In a ridiculous comedy film? Yes, of course it is.

the author's point is that many of the "jokes" in that movie would be considered in poor taste today, just like how minstrel comedy was considered a "joke" but is now offensive. that's not to say that Dundee shouldn't be revived, but in doing so we need to be aware of the cultural shifts that have occurred in the ~30 years since the original film.

it doesn't surprise me that this point when right over your head, though.
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We're getting softtttt

And Paul Hogan got in trouble for tax evasion.

If you have even so much as smiled at Crocodile Dundee, I weep at your lack of social awareness. Check your privilege!

*walks away mumbling about patriarchy and fascism*
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I don't usually use terms like "cuck" or "soyboy", but that writer sure does seem like a fucking soyboy cuck.

But seriously, Crocodile Dundee is a great movie and one of the best from the 80s. Sure, it's not quite Back to the Future good, but few are. It's about Lethal Weapon good.
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Giant_Aspirin posted...

the author's point is that many of the "jokes" in that movie would be considered in poor taste today, just like how minstrel comedy was considered a "joke" but is now offensive. that's not to say that Dundee shouldn't be revived, but in doing so we need to be aware of the cultural shifts that have occurred in the ~30 years since the original film.

it doesn't surprise me that this point when right over your head, though.

Protip: don't say that something has flown over another person's head while you completely woosh the concept that things can be funny because they are offensive.
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Mal_Fet posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

the author's point is that many of the "jokes" in that movie would be considered in poor taste today, just like how minstrel comedy was considered a "joke" but is now offensive. that's not to say that Dundee shouldn't be revived, but in doing so we need to be aware of the cultural shifts that have occurred in the ~30 years since the original film.

it doesn't surprise me that this point when right over your head, though.

Protip: don't say that something has flown over another person's head while you completely woosh the concept that things can be funny because they are offensive.

do you find minstrel shows to be funny as well?
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Giant_Aspirin posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

the author's point is that many of the "jokes" in that movie would be considered in poor taste today, just like how minstrel comedy was considered a "joke" but is now offensive. that's not to say that Dundee shouldn't be revived, but in doing so we need to be aware of the cultural shifts that have occurred in the ~30 years since the original film.

it doesn't surprise me that this point when right over your head, though.

Protip: don't say that something has flown over another person's head while you completely woosh the concept that things can be funny because they are offensive.

do you find minstrel shows to be funny as well?

Ever seen Tropic Thunder?
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answer mine first.
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Giant_Aspirin posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

are you asserting that it's perfectly acceptable to grab the groin of a stranger to determine gender?

In a ridiculous comedy film? Yes, of course it is.

the author's point is that many of the "jokes" in that movie would be considered in poor taste today, just like how minstrel comedy was considered a "joke" but is now offensive. that's not to say that Dundee shouldn't be revived, but in doing so we need to be aware of the cultural shifts that have occurred in the ~30 years since the original film.

it doesn't surprise me that this point when right over your head, though.

People understand that point. They just don't agree with it or care about it.

Sometimes people like offensive humor.
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Giant_Aspirin posted...

answer mine first.

In the right context, yeah of course. See: Tropic Thunder.
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Mal_Fet posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

answer mine first.

In the right context, yeah of course. See: Tropic Thunder.

Tropic Thunder is hardly equivalent to a minstrel show, give me a break. RDJ's character was not portraying black people in a negative light using racial stereotypes.

if you genuinely consider those things equivalent then, well, i just dont know.

so you're basically of the opinion that under no circumstances should things that were considered 'funny' in the past be viewed as offensive given shifts in social constructs?
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Giant_Aspirin posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

are you asserting that it's perfectly acceptable to grab the groin of a stranger to determine gender?

In a ridiculous comedy film? Yes, of course it is.

the author's point is that many of the "jokes" in that movie would be considered in poor taste today, just like how minstrel comedy was considered a "joke" but is now offensive. that's not to say that Dundee shouldn't be revived, but in doing so we need to be aware of the cultural shifts that have occurred in the ~30 years since the original film.

it doesn't surprise me that this point when right over your head, though.

No. No, we don't. It's a fucking movie.
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Giant_Aspirin posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

answer mine first.

In the right context, yeah of course. See: Tropic Thunder.

Tropic Thunder is hardly equivalent to a minstrel show, give me a break. RDJ's character was not portraying black people in a negative light using racial stereotypes.

if you genuinely consider those things equivalent then, well, i just dont know.

Says the guy trying to draw an equivalence between minstrel shows and a trans joke?

I would say blackface coming full-circle to the point where it gets used as Oscar-bait is pretty hilarious because of its immensely offensive history with minstrel shows, but I guess that whole concept flew over your head.
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_Goggalor_ posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

are you asserting that it's perfectly acceptable to grab the groin of a stranger to determine gender?

In a ridiculous comedy film? Yes, of course it is.

the author's point is that many of the "jokes" in that movie would be considered in poor taste today, just like how minstrel comedy was considered a "joke" but is now offensive. that's not to say that Dundee shouldn't be revived, but in doing so we need to be aware of the cultural shifts that have occurred in the ~30 years since the original film.

it doesn't surprise me that this point when right over your head, though.

No. No, we don't. It's a fucking movie.

so a movie where people go around saying racist shit about black people in the name of "humor" is OK, IYO? after all, that was a socially acceptable form of "humor" at one point.
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Giant_Aspirin posted...

_Goggalor_ posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

are you asserting that it's perfectly acceptable to grab the groin of a stranger to determine gender?

In a ridiculous comedy film? Yes, of course it is.

the author's point is that many of the "jokes" in that movie would be considered in poor taste today, just like how minstrel comedy was considered a "joke" but is now offensive. that's not to say that Dundee shouldn't be revived, but in doing so we need to be aware of the cultural shifts that have occurred in the ~30 years since the original film.

it doesn't surprise me that this point when right over your head, though.

No. No, we don't. It's a fucking movie.

so a movie where people go around saying racist shit about black people in the name of "humor" is OK, IYO? after all, that was a socially acceptable form of "humor" at one point.

A movie can do whatever the fuck it wants to. It's art. Not real life
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Mal_Fet posted...

Says the guy trying to draw an equivalence between minstrel shows and a trans joke?

i'm illustrating the point that what society deems as acceptable forms of humor evolves and changes over time, that's all. stop creating a straw man.
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_Goggalor_ posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

_Goggalor_ posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

are you asserting that it's perfectly acceptable to grab the groin of a stranger to determine gender?

In a ridiculous comedy film? Yes, of course it is.

the author's point is that many of the "jokes" in that movie would be considered in poor taste today, just like how minstrel comedy was considered a "joke" but is now offensive. that's not to say that Dundee shouldn't be revived, but in doing so we need to be aware of the cultural shifts that have occurred in the ~30 years since the original film.

it doesn't surprise me that this point when right over your head, though.

No. No, we don't. It's a fucking movie.

so a movie where people go around saying racist shit about black people in the name of "humor" is OK, IYO? after all, that was a socially acceptable form of "humor" at one point.

A movie can do whatever the fuck it wants to. It's art. Not real life

sure, it can. and we have every right to criticize it if we deem it inappropriate. that's how social discourse works.
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Giant_Aspirin posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

Says the guy trying to draw an equivalence between minstrel shows and a trans joke?

i'm illustrating the point that what society deems as acceptable forms of humor evolves and changes over time, that's all. stop creating a straw man.

And you're suggesting that the trans joke is equivalent to the minstrel shows, as if anything in Crocodile Dundee is nearly as offensive as that? You know there are trans jokes in current movies too, right?
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Soyboy is my favourite word to come out of the alternative media. Everything else including 'cuck' is lamer than ****.
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I feel like a lot of the people ITT seem to conflate Crocodile Dundee the character with Crocodile Dundee the movie. Isn't the writer in the OP pretty much saying that the movie is a product of its time, i.e., a time where what is now considered transphobia, homophobia, racism etc was more acceptable?
I dunno it feels like he's kicking in an open door but then again maybe that's just me.
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Those things the writer cited were horrible.
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16-BITTER posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

sure, it can. and we have every right to criticize it if we deem it inappropriate. that's how social discourse works.

If movies were shelved in development because some people might be offended, very few movies would be made and the ones that were finished would be bland, boring, and devoid of conflict.

Who said we have to shelve them?

You can criticize something without shelving it.

In fact, that's how criticism works.

You kind of need a finished product in order to criticize it.
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Giant_Aspirin posted...

the author's point is that many of the "jokes" in that movie would be considered in poor taste today

That's pretty charitable. It comes off more like he's got this twisted satisfaction in demonizing a classic that many cherish.

"Ha, you like thing? Well now I'm gonna RUIN it for you and tell you why you SHOULDN'T like thing! In fact, it's evil and abhorrent! Too bad for u!"

The social justice elitists absolutely love doing this to anything popular. It hardly convinces anyone but it sure does signal boost their virtue to the rest of the sleazy cronies that write pure dogshit day-in day-out.
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Funbazooka posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

the author's point is that many of the "jokes" in that movie would be considered in poor taste today

That's pretty charitable. It comes off more like he's got this twisted satisfaction in demonizing a classic that many cherish.

"Ha, you like thing? Well now I'm gonna RUIN it for you and tell you why you SHOULDN'T like thing! In fact, it's evil and abhorrent! Too bad for u!"

The social justice elitists absolutely love doing this to anything popular. It hardly convinces anyone but it sure does signal boost their virtue to the rest of the sleazy cronies that write pure dogshit day-in day-out.

It is possible to like something while also realizing it has flaws.
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mario2000 posted...

Funbazooka posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

the author's point is that many of the "jokes" in that movie would be considered in poor taste today

That's pretty charitable. It comes off more like he's got this twisted satisfaction in demonizing a classic that many cherish.

"Ha, you like thing? Well now I'm gonna RUIN it for you and tell you why you SHOULDN'T like thing! In fact, it's evil and abhorrent! Too bad for u!"

The social justice elitists absolutely love doing this to anything popular. It hardly convinces anyone but it sure does signal boost their virtue to the rest of the sleazy cronies that write pure dogshit day-in day-out.

It is possible to like something while also realizing it has flaws.

The author says absolutely nothing positive about it. More excerpts:

"For starters, in addition to being vulgar and witless, the new film would need to be sexist, racist, homophobic and transphobic. It would need to have awkward jokes unfunny at the time of release and even less amusing when revisited years later."

"Designed to appeal to US audiences first and foremost, and subsequently exploiting Australias inferiority complex, Crocodile Dundee confirmed false preconceptions Americans had (and perhaps still have) about Australia and Australians. These movies constructed a conservative fantasy, where white hetero males do all the hard work and are justly rewarded, and where everybody else, including the sheilas, the Aborigines and the gays, understand their place in the pecking order which is somewhere below people like Dundee.

"You cant take Dundee seriously as a hero, nor laugh away what he says and does as the behaviour of an idiot and a blunderbuss."

"These are cynical, opportunistic films, dripping with contempt for their audience."
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Funbazooka posted...

mario2000 posted...

Funbazooka posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

the author's point is that many of the "jokes" in that movie would be considered in poor taste today

That's pretty charitable. It comes off more like he's got this twisted satisfaction in demonizing a classic that many cherish.

"Ha, you like thing? Well now I'm gonna RUIN it for you and tell you why you SHOULDN'T like thing! In fact, it's evil and abhorrent! Too bad for u!"

The social justice elitists absolutely love doing this to anything popular. It hardly convinces anyone but it sure does signal boost their virtue to the rest of the sleazy cronies that write pure dogshit day-in day-out.

It is possible to like something while also realizing it has flaws.

The author says absolutely nothing positive about it. More excerpts:

"For starters, in addition to being vulgar and witless, the new film would need to be sexist, racist, homophobic and transphobic. It would need to have awkward jokes unfunny at the time of release and even less amusing when revisited years later."

"Designed to appeal to US audiences first and foremost, and subsequently exploiting Australias inferiority complex, Crocodile Dundee confirmed false preconceptions Americans had (and perhaps still have) about Australia and Australians. These movies constructed a conservative fantasy, where white hetero males do all the hard work and are justly rewarded, and where everybody else, including the sheilas, the Aborigines and the gays, understand their place in the pecking order which is somewhere below people like Dundee.

"You cant take Dundee seriously as a hero, nor laugh away what he says and does as the behaviour of an idiot and a blunderbuss."

"These are cynical, opportunistic films, dripping with contempt for their audience."

I mean these are all technically accurate criticisms.
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mario2000 posted...

I mean these are all technically accurate criticisms.

I don't think you know what "technically" means.

How do the films technically have contempt for their audience?
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