Current Events > Crocodile Dundee was a sexist, racist, homophobe, says soyboy on the Guardian.

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https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/jan/23/crocodile-dundee-was-sexist-racist-and-homophobic-lets-not-bring-that-back

Hogan told People Magazine: Im excited to introduce the new Crocodile Dundee to the world, and he described the film as one that has stood the test of time.

So if we assume the unthinkable: that this project is actually going ahead (though Screen Australia has not confirmed it), what would Dundee: The Son of a Legend Returns Home need to do to capture the spirit of the original three Crocodile Dundee movies, released in 1986, 1988 and 2001?

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Take, for example, a scene from the original film, based in a pub in New York. Mick Dundee (Hogan) chats up a trans woman, before a friend pulls him aside: Ive been trying to tell you all night, that girl, shes a guy! Dundee responds by sexual assaulting her. He grabs the woman in the groin area, then points and yells: A guy dressed up like a sheila! Look at that!

The pub erupts into laughter and applause. There are high fives and back slaps.

Dundee sexually assaults another women later on, in the same way, at an art gallery. His love interest Sue (Linda Kozlowski) consoles the distraught woman by saying: Its OK, hes Australian.

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Sue, a journalist, initially appears to have a reasonable amount of agency, before we learn she is dating her editor and her father is the publisher. During a quiet scene in the original movie (directed by Peter Faiman and written by Hogan, Ken Shadie and John Cornell), Sue complains to Dundee about a previous lover. She says this guy is a lefty type, probably marching right now, for the gay Nazis or something.

Dundee, disgusted, tells her he sounds like a prize ratbag. He then discusses land rights and Indigenous Australians. They dont own the land, they belong to it, he says, going on to compare people discussing land ownership to fleas debating who owns the dog.

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The 80s were a different time. Arguably a better time when comedy movies could make a lighthearted joke in a lighthearted movie without writers at the Guardian feeling the need to weigh in on the social implications 30 years later.
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are you asserting that it's perfectly acceptable to grab the groin of a stranger to determine gender? because it sounds like you're taking issue with the author calling that out as "sexual assault"
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The Guardian.

Enough said.
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It's almost like he doesn't understand that a movie is fiction. Grade A fuckin moron.
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DeanAuryn posted...

The Guardian.

Enough said.

Actually a pretty good paper if you ignore the op-eds.
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gmanthebest posted...

It's almost like he doesn't understand that a movie is fiction. Grade A fuckin moron.

Well he's an Australian film critic, so I'd say it's more a case of him taking movies very very seriously.
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Sparksfanboy posted...

The trailer looks like trash irregardless.

Explain the difference between regardless and irregardless.

Neckbeard complains about something, details at 11.
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pinky0926 posted...

gmanthebest posted...

It's almost like he doesn't understand that a movie is fiction. Grade A fuckin moron.

Well he's an Australian film critic, so I'd say it's more a case of him taking movies very very seriously.

Yeah, like I said, grade A fuckin moron.
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He grabs the woman in the groin area, then points and yells: A guy dressed up like a sheila! Look at that!

lmao... I need to watch this now.
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Giant_Aspirin posted...

are you asserting that it's perfectly acceptable to grab the groin of a stranger to determine gender?

In a ridiculous comedy film? Yes, of course it is.
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SpiralDrift posted...

He grabs the woman in the groin area, then points and yells: A guy dressed up like a sheila! Look at that!

lmao... I need to watch this now.

It's a fucking classic

The real takeaway in this story is they're remaking it, which is a terrible idea.
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gmanthebest posted...

Yeah, like I said, grade A fuckin moron.

I bet he graduated from Bovine University.
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Nothing in that article is wrong. It was a movie from 3 decades ago that was just a bunch of dumb Australian stereotypes. Nobody considers this movie a classic or takes it seriously.

Which is why this remake isn't even real and is just a joke.
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There was not a lot of P/C in the 80s movies...
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Soyboy? Still the lamest insult ever.
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thats naaat a noife

THIS is a NOIFE
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Today's whiny and overly sensitive society makes me wanna rewatch this.

Darmik posted...

Nobody considers this movie a classic

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Darmik posted...

Nobody considers this movie a classic or takes it seriously.

You take that back

Crocodile Dundee was like Braveheart to me. Stupid, entirely incorrect and completely loveable.
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Mal_Fet posted...

Darmik posted...

Nobody considers this movie a classic

I live in Australia dude. Maybe it's taken seriously by moronic Americans who think Australians say shrimp on the Barbie.

pinky0926 posted...

Crocodile Dundee was like Braveheart to me. Stupid, entirely incorrect and completely loveable.

That doesn't sound like you take it seriously.

It's like in the same league as Revenge of the Nerds.
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darkphoenix181 posted...

thats naaat a noife

THIS is a NOIFE

That's not a knife that's a spoon.
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pinky0926 posted...

It's a fucking classic

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That's an idiotic hot take for two reasons:

1) Crocodile Dundee wasn't homophobic, as it was expressing what was essentially the mainstream opinion back in the 1980s and 1990s. That was a time when "gay" was an insult used by everybody and transgendered people were the butt of jokes or shocking plot twists. If you want to make the case that the 80's and 90's were more trans/homophobic than the current day, you absolutely can make that argument and even point to individual scenes in movies as proof of that. But to take a piece of comedy from that time period and to use our current standards to judge it out of all societal context is just a waste of space.

2) And if you are well-intentioned, you should point to movies like Crocodile Dundee and Ace Ventura as proof for how far we've come as a society in just a few decades. Back when those movies were released, transgendered people could be used as a punchline just because without anyone batting an eye. Nowadays, mocking someone solely for being transgendered would essentially get you booed to oblivion outside of the deep south and a GOP convention.
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Darmik posted...

That doesn't sound like you take it seriously.

It's like in the same league as Revenge of the Nerds.

I don't take Back to The Future seriously either but it's a great movie.

Ok, Crocodile Dundee is nowhere near on the same caliber but maybe you see my point. I grew up with Crocodile Dundee, I loved Crocodile Dundee, and even growing up in Australia for a time and knowing it was all a bunch of nonsense didn't change that.
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K181 posted...

That's an idiotic hot take for two reasons:

1) Crocodile Dundee wasn't homophobic, as it was expressing what was essentially the mainstream opinion back in the 1980s and 1990s. That was a time when "gay" was an insult used by everybody and transgendered people were the butt of jokes or shocking plot twists. If you want to make the case that the 80's and 90's were more trans/homophobic than the current day, you absolutely can make that argument and even point to individual scenes in movies as proof of that. But to take a piece of comedy from that time period and to use our current standards to judge it out of all societal context is just a waste of space.

2) And if you are well-intentioned, you should point to movies like Crocodile Dundee and Ace Ventura as proof for how far we've come as a society in just a few decades. Back when those movies were released, transgendered people could be used as a punchline just because without anyone batting an eye. Nowadays, mocking someone solely for being transgendered would essentially get you booed to oblivion outside of the deep south and a GOP convention.

Good post
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MC_BatCommander posted...

darkphoenix181 posted...

thats naaat a noife

THIS is a NOIFE

That's not a knife that's a spoon.

That's not a gun, that's a book!

"Soyboy"
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mustachedmystic posted...

gmanthebest posted...

Yeah, like I said, grade A fuckin moron.

I bet he graduated from Bovine University.

:-) :thumb:

MC_BatCommander posted...

darkphoenix181 posted...

thats naaat a noife

THIS is a NOIFE

That's not a knife that's a spoon.

Alright, alright, you win. I see you've played knifey spoony before.
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Mal_Fet posted...

Take, for example, a scene from the original film, based in a pub in New York. Mick Dundee (Hogan) chats up a trans woman, before a friend pulls him aside: Ive been trying to tell you all night, that girl, shes a guy! Dundee responds by sexual assaulting her. He grabs the woman in the groin area, then points and yells: A guy dressed up like a sheila! Look at that!

The pub erupts into laughter and applause. There are high fives and back slaps

It's freaking hilarious.

Crocodile Dundee is one of my favorites. Watched it so much as a kid. It's got a bit of everything.
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It was a product of its time. Things that were considered okay then are not okay now.
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The funny thing is TC is the first person to whine about a "Dear white people"
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pinky0926 posted...

I don't take Back to The Future seriously either but it's a great movie.

What?! People still love Back to the Future! That is an example of an 80's movie that has aged great.

pinky0926 posted...

Ok, Crocodile Dundee is nowhere near on the same caliber but maybe you see my point. I grew up with Crocodile Dundee, I loved Crocodile Dundee, and even growing up in Australia for a time and knowing it was all a bunch of nonsense didn't change that.

Sure. That doesn't refute anything the guy said in his article though.
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Darmik posted...

I live in Australia dude. Maybe it's taken seriously by moronic Americans who think Australians say shrimp on the Barbie.

That's not from the movie

Have you even seen it?
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And besides, the best Australian film is Quigley Down Under.
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Darmik posted...

pinky0926 posted...

I don't take Back to The Future seriously either but it's a great movie.

What?! People still love Back to the Future! That is an example of an 80's movie that has aged great.

pinky0926 posted...

Ok, Crocodile Dundee is nowhere near on the same caliber but maybe you see my point. I grew up with Crocodile Dundee, I loved Crocodile Dundee, and even growing up in Australia for a time and knowing it was all a bunch of nonsense didn't change that.

Sure. That doesn't refute anything the guy said in his article though.

I just feel like this guy is taking cheapshots here, is all. Pointing out that a lowbrow comedy movie from the 80s is off the mark on sex politics by today's stanrdards is such a redundant criticism to make I have to wonder what the author actually intended, if not just to feel a bit smug for having the correct opinion about something.
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Mal_Fet posted...

Darmik posted...

I live in Australia dude. Maybe it's taken seriously by moronic Americans who think Australians say shrimp on the Barbie.

That's not from the movie

Have you even seen it?

I never said it was.

pinky0926 posted...

I just feel like this guy is taking cheapshots here, is all. Pointing out that a lowbrow comedy movie from the 80s seems insensitive/crass/off-the-mark by today's standards is such a redundant criticism to make I have to wonder what the author actually intended, if not just to feel a bit smug for having the correct opinion about something.

Of course this stuff will come up when they're talking about a reboot/sequel and Paul Hogan is out there saying it's a timeless classic.

Of course I completely expect Hogan and McBride to be in on the joke here.

FrisbeeDude posted...

The funny thing is TC is the first person to whine about a "Dear white people"

Well he was whining yesterday that Black Lightning knocked out some cops so...
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Darmik posted...

Of course this stuff will come up when they're talking about a reboot/sequel and Paul Hogan is out there saying it's a timeless classic.

Of course I completely expect Hogan and McBride to be in on the joke here.

You're saying Paul Hogan doesn't think Crocodile Dundee is a classic? Seriously?
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Sparksfanboy posted...

Turbam posted...

Is that @BignutzisBack?

Still butt hurt about your convenience store Manifesto Goatthief? Maybe you can write another one so we know how depressed you are again lol
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Mal_Fet posted...

Darmik posted...

Of course this stuff will come up when they're talking about a reboot/sequel and Paul Hogan is out there saying it's a timeless classic.

Of course I completely expect Hogan and McBride to be in on the joke here.

You're saying Paul Hogan doesn't think Crocodile Dundee is a classic? Seriously?

A timeless classic? No.
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Darmik posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

Darmik posted...

Of course this stuff will come up when they're talking about a reboot/sequel and Paul Hogan is out there saying it's a timeless classic.

Of course I completely expect Hogan and McBride to be in on the joke here.

You're saying Paul Hogan doesn't think Crocodile Dundee is a classic? Seriously?

A timeless classic? No.

No one said timeless. Its a new Classic
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Lmao Mal, do you seriously use "soyboy" as an insult? No wonder people laugh in your face
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The joke is that Dundee (the fish out of water) checks her crotch because his nature is to be direct in an over-the-top way, he doesn't understand it's improper or anything. And he's never seen a transwoman in person or really heard about them. You could argue he's not homophobic since he's not scared to cup male genitalia just to check if it's there or not. He doesn't give a shit because he's an alpha.

For the most part he's a noble, honest, and principled guy (yet imperfect) who suddenly finds himself in a strange land where people are either two-faced, conceal their true nature, and things are not what they seem.

Man, those were the days, back when it was okay to make movies that positively portrayed masculinity.
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The Great Muta 22 posted...

Lmao Mal, do you seriously use "soyboy" as an insult? No wonder people laugh in your face

"cuck" became discredited so the redhats needed a new insult
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