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Veggeta_MAX
01/23/18 10:31:32 AM
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Dunno what's wrong with me.
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Anteaterking
01/23/18 10:32:02 AM
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Irony
01/23/18 10:32:35 AM
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What's wrong with you is a supernatural desire to have bad taste and troll about it
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Solar_Crimson
01/23/18 10:33:21 AM
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Well, the series kind of fell off with the last two non-remake games.

It's generally agreed that the best ones are Superstar Saga and Bowser's Inside Story.
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Veggeta_MAX
01/23/18 10:34:24 AM
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Mario and Luigi is way better bro

Dunno how I tolerated Mario RPG. The mini games were awful now that I'm looking back at it.
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WindMouseHanpan
01/23/18 10:46:00 AM
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Always the opposite for me. I could never get into SMRPG, but I love the M&L series.
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Irony
01/23/18 10:46:15 AM
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Bowser's Inside Story is better than Superstar Saga and Partners in Time was just ok
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Balrog0
01/23/18 10:49:20 AM
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That's not weird

All the M&L games besides Superstar Saga suck ass (yes, that includes BiS) and even then it just didn't have the same charm SMRPG did


SMRPG is so overrated. I played it recently, very lame imo. I can see liking it if you'd played it either as a kid or at least before Paper Mario and the Mario and Luigi games, though.
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eston
01/23/18 10:50:48 AM
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I only played Superstar Saga but I thought it was way better than Mario RPG
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C7D
01/23/18 10:55:04 AM
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Its not just you. I could never get into any of the other Mario rpg games. I chalked it up to nostalgia and moved along a long time ago.
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creativeme
01/23/18 11:05:25 AM
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try the superstar saga remake that just came out last year. i just finished it and i loved it. loved the original when i played it like 15 years ago. i played most of the games in the series and enjoyed all of them.

TC did you like the first 2 paper mario games?
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Smashingpmkns
01/23/18 11:07:11 AM
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Superstar Saga is a great game that aged well. SMRPG aged like milk
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Veggeta_MAX
01/23/18 11:07:53 AM
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Never tried the paper Mario games.
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Garioshi
01/24/18 10:47:18 PM
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Bowser's Inside Story is the best Mario & Luigi game and a fantastic RPG.
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PiOverlord
01/24/18 10:49:15 PM
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Mario & Luigi is better than Paper Mario. Sure TTYD was my favorite of them all, but M&L is more consistent. Honestly, Paper Jam and Dream Team were fine to me. Paper Jam at least has fun gameplay compared to the new PM games.

BiS is my favorite M&L game. PiT was my first, so I can't fairly review it.
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TheGrindery
01/24/18 10:51:34 PM
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When the holy fuck did people stop wanting a true sequel to SMRPG? I remember Paper Mario sparking outrage and now we somehow have some people who prefer it.
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Spidey5
01/24/18 11:06:23 PM
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SMRPG is just like Link to the Past. I can't get into that shit cause I didn't play it as a kid, which is where 90% of the love for those games comes from.

Super Star Saga and BiS were great, aside from one or two terrible minigames in BiS. Partners in time was underwhelming, but fine. Dream Team, holy shit what happened. Unneeded padding and tutorials: The Game.
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Skye Reynolds
01/24/18 11:14:27 PM
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I felt the same way and it comes down to one factor: the application of comedy.

Super Mario RPG felt like an adventure with elements of comedy. Mario & Luigi felt like a Looney Tunes inspired comedy with elements of adventure. I loved the mechanic of being able to jump to avoid attacks, but I hated the game's treatment of Bowser and Luigi.

I like Mario more when he's less cartoonish. Don't get me wrong, Super Mario World is my favorite Mario game and it has the same color scheme as My Little Pony. But in a general sense, I prefer a more serious Bowser, a less cowardly Luigi, and a more adventuresome world. I think Super Mario RPG captured that better.

I've only played the first entry in each of the RPG series, but I'd definitely take Paper Mario as the second best RPG over Mario & Luigi.
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Spidey5
01/24/18 11:16:11 PM
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Skye Reynolds posted...
I felt the same way and it comes down to one factor: the application of comedy.

Super Mario RPG felt like an adventure with elements of comedy. Mario & Luigi felt like a Looney Tunes inspired comedy with elements of adventure. I loved the mechanic of being able to jump to avoid attacks, but I hated the game's treatment of Bowser and Luigi.

I like Mario more when he's less cartoonish. Don't get me wrong, Super Mario World is my favorite Mario game and it has the same color scheme as My Little Pony. But in a general sense, I prefer a more serious Bowser, a less cowardly Luigi, and a more adventuresome world. I think Super Mario RPG captured that better.

I've only played the first entry in each of the RPG series, but I'd definitely take Paper Mario as the second best RPG over Mario & Luigi.

I just bashed on Dream Team, but I'm not lying when I say if you are a fan of badass bowser, play Dream Team. He does not fuck around in that game. I don't remember him being a gag even once. From basically start to finish, he is in charge.
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Bad_Mojo
01/24/18 11:18:25 PM
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You know, I've never played any of those games before, and I've heard good things. I should get on that, but don't know where to start. I have a GBA. . .
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Skye Reynolds
01/24/18 11:21:28 PM
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TheGrindery posted...
When the holy fuck did people stop wanting a true sequel to SMRPG? I remember Paper Mario sparking outrage and now we somehow have some people who prefer it.


People born the year that Super Mario RPG came out can legally drink. I'd love to see Mallow and Smithy return, but people wouldn't know who these characters are. It makes me sad, but that's the way it is.

Spidey5 posted...
I just bashed on Dream Team, but I'm not lying when I say if you are a fan of badass bowser, play Dream Team. He does not fuck around in that game. I don't remember him being a gag even once. From basically start to finish, he is in charge.


Thanks for the recommendation.

I don't have a Nintendo 3DS, but I'll look into it if I get one.
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The_Freecs
01/24/18 11:57:49 PM
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You have bad taste thats what wrong with you lol. What about Paper Mario TTYD, what did you think about that?
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DragonImps
01/25/18 12:01:06 AM
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^ He hans't played any of the Paper Mario games

Bad_Mojo posted...
You know, I've never played any of those games before, and I've heard good things. I should get on that, but don't know where to start. I have a GBA. . .

Superstar Saga's the only Mario RPG on the GBA. Not one of my absolute favorites, but it's a fine place to start.
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The_Freecs
01/25/18 12:06:13 AM
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Get the 3ds remake though, it's better then the gba one.
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ultimate reaver
01/25/18 12:30:38 AM
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I loved RPG and Paper Mario 1 and 2 but yeah, never was interested in the mario and luigi games
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dave_is_slick
01/25/18 12:33:00 AM
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Conflict posted...
Skye Reynolds posted...
Super Mario RPG felt like an adventure with elements of comedy. Mario & Luigi felt like a Looney Tunes inspired comedy with elements of adventure. I loved the mechanic of being able to jump to avoid attacks, but I hated the game's treatment of Bowser and Luigi.


Hit the nail on the head. Bowser is a complete joke in his own game

So what?
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dave_is_slick
01/25/18 12:36:37 AM
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Naturally in an RPG, even if it's a Mario one, it's not going to be quite as enjoyable if it's a complete cringefest outside of the gameplay. Which in itself isn't that great either (and the giant Bowser battles were just trash)

You have a terrible opinion as Bowser's Inside Story was side-splittingly hilarious.
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The_Freecs
01/25/18 12:39:24 AM
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Conflict posted...
Naturally in an RPG, even if it's a Mario one, it's not going to be quite as enjoyable if it's a complete cringefest outside of the gameplay. Which in itself isn't that great either (and the giant Bowser battles were just trash)


Paper Mario ttyd has some of the best writing in gaming.
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Illuminoius
01/25/18 12:41:39 AM
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The_Freecs posted...
Get the 3ds remake though, it's better then the gba one.

i actually preferred the art style change and liked some mechanical changes, but the music somehow sounds worse than the original's and the game's pace is slightly slower
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dave_is_slick
01/25/18 12:44:27 AM
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Conflict posted...
Never played it

Fix that.
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southcoast09
01/25/18 12:44:30 AM
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It wasn't the same thing. I don't know why Nintendo can't/won't work with squareenix to make another one. Squaresoft was the the reason that game was so good, to be honest. The Mario/Luigi games struggle to be 6/10 games. It's like that's what they're shooting for.
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The_Freecs
01/25/18 12:45:27 AM
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southcoast09 posted...
It wasn't the same thing. I don't know why Nintendo can't/won't work with squareenix to make another one. Squaresoft was the the reason that game was so good, to be honest. The Mario/Luigi games struggle to be 6/10 games. It's like that's what they're shooting for.


Only if they make the combat more interactive. Mario rpgs combat is pretty shit.
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dave_is_slick
01/25/18 12:50:31 AM
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southcoast09 posted...
It wasn't the same thing. I don't know why Nintendo can't/won't work with squareenix to make another one. Squaresoft was the the reason that game was so good, to be honest. The Mario/Luigi games struggle to be 6/10 games. It's like that's what they're shooting for.

http://www.metacritic.com/game/game-boy-advance/mario-luigi-superstar-saga

http://www.metacritic.com/game/ds/mario-luigi-partners-in-time

http://www.metacritic.com/game/ds/mario-luigi-bowsers-inside-story

http://www.metacritic.com/game/3ds/mario-luigi-dream-team

http://www.metacritic.com/game/3ds/mario-luigi-paper-jam

About that...
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Bringit
01/25/18 12:58:41 AM
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I have a weird history with the Mario RPG series.

I really liked SMRPG once I finally got the chance to play it and I LOVED TTYD.

I've tried 2 or 3 Mario and Luigi games, always got bored after a couple hours and I went through the entire Paper Mario 64 and thought that too was mostly a snore-fest in comparison to TTYD. It had very little (if any?) of TTYD's humor and instead had a simple, shallow story that was played entirely straight -- even children's fairytales generally have more nuance. With nothing backing it up other than the gameplay and visuals, it got repetitive so fast, from about the middle point I had to drag my feet the rest of the way to the end. I don't even remember the party members other than there was a Goomba and a Koopa; the writing was just so bland.

Combine those past experiences with the middling/mixed reactions to post TTYD Paper Mario/RPG games and I've basically avoided the whole Mario RPG thing in general for many years.
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Skye Reynolds
01/25/18 1:05:09 AM
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dave_is_slick posted...
Conflict posted...
Skye Reynolds posted...
Super Mario RPG felt like an adventure with elements of comedy. Mario & Luigi felt like a Looney Tunes inspired comedy with elements of adventure. I loved the mechanic of being able to jump to avoid attacks, but I hated the game's treatment of Bowser and Luigi.


Hit the nail on the head. Bowser is a complete joke in his own game

So what?


In any given adaptation of any given story, if you mistreat my favorite character, I want no part of it.

Instead of Nintendo going along with the notion that Bowser always loses and demoting him to comic foil, they should have double down on giving him some storied victories and maintaining a sense of menace.

It's okay to have a little bit of humor or goofiness on his part, but he should never be treated like Wile E. Coyote.
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southcoast09
01/25/18 1:11:52 AM
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dave_is_slick posted...
southcoast09 posted...
It wasn't the same thing. I don't know why Nintendo can't/won't work with squareenix to make another one. Squaresoft was the the reason that game was so good, to be honest. The Mario/Luigi games struggle to be 6/10 games. It's like that's what they're shooting for.

http://www.metacritic.com/game/game-boy-advance/mario-luigi-superstar-saga

http://www.metacritic.com/game/ds/mario-luigi-partners-in-time

http://www.metacritic.com/game/ds/mario-luigi-bowsers-inside-story

http://www.metacritic.com/game/3ds/mario-luigi-dream-team

http://www.metacritic.com/game/3ds/mario-luigi-paper-jam

About that...

I was stating my opinion for the ratings. Regardless of their scores (from one site, I will add), these games each failed to make the same impact that LotSS did.
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Unquestionable
01/25/18 1:19:56 AM
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I enjoyed Super Mario RPG a fair bit when it came out, was one of the best games late in the SNES life span, but I found Super Star Saga fucking fantastic. Got it on release and took it with me on a hunting trip, easily one of the most enjoyable times I've had playing through something, plan on eventually getting the port. Only other one I played was Bowser's Inside Story and I like it but damn did I feel like I spent 90% of the game doing a tutorial.
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dave_is_slick
01/25/18 1:22:09 AM
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southcoast09 posted...
dave_is_slick posted...
southcoast09 posted...
It wasn't the same thing. I don't know why Nintendo can't/won't work with squareenix to make another one. Squaresoft was the the reason that game was so good, to be honest. The Mario/Luigi games struggle to be 6/10 games. It's like that's what they're shooting for.

http://www.metacritic.com/game/game-boy-advance/mario-luigi-superstar-saga

http://www.metacritic.com/game/ds/mario-luigi-partners-in-time

http://www.metacritic.com/game/ds/mario-luigi-bowsers-inside-story

http://www.metacritic.com/game/3ds/mario-luigi-dream-team

http://www.metacritic.com/game/3ds/mario-luigi-paper-jam

About that...

I was stating my opinion for the ratings. Regardless of their scores (from one site, I will add), these games each failed to make the same impact that LotSS did.

They clearly don't "struggle to be 6/10 games" as many people clearly love them.
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Illuminoius
01/25/18 1:33:47 AM
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bowser's inside story is one of the most annoying, tedious games i've ever played
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southcoast09
01/25/18 1:43:04 AM
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dave_is_slick posted...
southcoast09 posted...
dave_is_slick posted...
southcoast09 posted...
It wasn't the same thing. I don't know why Nintendo can't/won't work with squareenix to make another one. Squaresoft was the the reason that game was so good, to be honest. The Mario/Luigi games struggle to be 6/10 games. It's like that's what they're shooting for.

http://www.metacritic.com/game/game-boy-advance/mario-luigi-superstar-saga

http://www.metacritic.com/game/ds/mario-luigi-partners-in-time

http://www.metacritic.com/game/ds/mario-luigi-bowsers-inside-story

http://www.metacritic.com/game/3ds/mario-luigi-dream-team

http://www.metacritic.com/game/3ds/mario-luigi-paper-jam

About that...

I was stating my opinion for the ratings. Regardless of their scores (from one site, I will add), these games each failed to make the same impact that LotSS did.

They clearly don't "struggle to be 6/10 games" as many people clearly love them.

I guess I should have posted a trigger warning, cuz you mad br0. They were dialed in and hardly motivated me to even finish. All of the newer Mario "rpgs" felt like they tried to copy something and failed.

They tried to replace actual rpg substance for timed jumps and platformer garbage. We can play that in... idk, ANY other Mario game?
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The_Freecs
01/25/18 1:59:14 AM
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southcoast09 posted...
dave_is_slick posted...
southcoast09 posted...
dave_is_slick posted...
southcoast09 posted...
It wasn't the same thing. I don't know why Nintendo can't/won't work with squareenix to make another one. Squaresoft was the the reason that game was so good, to be honest. The Mario/Luigi games struggle to be 6/10 games. It's like that's what they're shooting for.

http://www.metacritic.com/game/game-boy-advance/mario-luigi-superstar-saga

http://www.metacritic.com/game/ds/mario-luigi-partners-in-time

http://www.metacritic.com/game/ds/mario-luigi-bowsers-inside-story

http://www.metacritic.com/game/3ds/mario-luigi-dream-team

http://www.metacritic.com/game/3ds/mario-luigi-paper-jam

About that...

I was stating my opinion for the ratings. Regardless of their scores (from one site, I will add), these games each failed to make the same impact that LotSS did.

They clearly don't "struggle to be 6/10 games" as many people clearly love them.

I guess I should have posted a trigger warning, cuz you mad br0. They were dialed in and hardly motivated me to even finish. All of the newer Mario "rpgs" felt like they tried to copy something and failed.

They tried to replace actual rpg substance for timed jumps and platformer garbage. We can play that in... idk, ANY other Mario game?


Youre dillusional if you think the original Mario rpg has better combat
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LightningAce11
01/25/18 2:01:45 AM
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Dream Team is fantastic. The tutorial sucks, but it's nice and long, has a wide variety of areas, good bosses and the dream world is a nice addition.

Bowser is actually competent here.
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southcoast09
01/25/18 2:02:55 AM
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I don't think anything. It's a tried and true fact. Super Mario RPG Legend of the Seven Stars is the best entry to the entire Mario series.
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PiOverlord
01/25/18 3:43:45 AM
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LightningAce11 posted...
Dream Team is fantastic. The tutorial sucks, but it's nice and long, has a wide variety of areas, good bosses and the dream world is a nice addition.

Bowser is actually competent here.

Yeah, it is one of the things that I feel people do not truly appreciate.
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