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Marauder64 01/22/18 9:36:45 PM #103:	a42ozslushie posted... God is not an all loving being. Anyone who claims such has never read The Bible. The Jews believe they are the race of people chosen by God. In ancient times, Jews saw God as a great warrior, not an all loving hippie. This great warrior would lead his chosen race (the Jews) to mastery over all other races (goyim). This is why Judaism and Christianity are incompatible. The Jews believe the messiah will be a person born with the blood of David, who will sit on his throne in Jerusalem and rule over the entire world. Jesus did not do these things, so he is clearly not the messiah that was prophesized by the Jewish prophets. Christians do not believe God is all loving, either. They acknowledge that God has done terrible things, and will do terrible things to them unless they find salvation through Jesus' teachings. Jesus is the Christian messiah because through him you can reconcile with God. Anyone who says god is all loving has never read the Bible or never critically thought about it's teachings. Which, to be fair, applies to most Christians and atheists who attack Christianity. What's your definition of "love"? --- The code of the elitist: If people like it, it sucks. : Sinix. PSN: Gridmac <cite>Marauder64 posted [p:894600464] in How does C... [t:76231135]...</cite> <quote><cite>a42ozslushie posted...</cite> <quote>God is not an all loving being. Anyone who claims such has never read The Bible. The Jews believe they are the race of people chosen by God. In ancient times, Jews saw God as a great warrior, not an all loving hippie. This great warrior would lead his chosen race (the Jews) to mastery over all other races (goyim). This is why Judaism and Christianity are incompatible. The Jews believe the messiah will be a person born with the blood of David, who will sit on his throne in Jerusalem and rule over the entire world. Jesus did not do these things, so he is clearly not the messiah that was prophesized by the Jewish prophets. Christians do not believe God is all loving, either. They acknowledge that God has done terrible things, and will do terrible things to them unless they find salvation through Jesus' teachings. Jesus is the Christian messiah because through him you can reconcile with God. Anyone who says god is all loving has never read the Bible or never critically thought about it's teachings. Which, to be fair, applies to most Christians and atheists who attack Christianity.</quote> What's your definition of "love"?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dragonblade01 01/22/18 9:37:46 PM #105:	To be fair, most atheists in America and other English-speaking nations specifically target Christianity as part of a backlash against their original upbringing/culture. The reality is that Christianity isn't special. It's just another belief that there's no good justification for beyond social convenience. <cite>Dragonblade01 posted [p:894600553] in How does C... [t:76231135]...</cite> <quote>To be fair, most atheists in America and other English-speaking nations specifically target Christianity as part of a backlash against their original upbringing/culture. The reality is that Christianity isn't special. It's just another belief that there's no good justification for beyond social convenience.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlisLandale 01/22/18 9:41:30 PM #106:	Asherlee10 posted... Kazi1212 posted... Logically follows means its necessarily so, which is not the case here. I can totally imagine a God that made everything thing else as merely decorative creations to serve his most loved and primary creation. God didnt create cow because he likes them, but because they would serve humans, I doubt God gives a hoot about cows That brings me back to a previous statement I made, that is a terrible god if that is the case. '"Therefore I tell you, do not be anxious about your life, what you will eat or what you will drink, nor about your body, what you will put on. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothing? Look at the birds of the air: they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they? And which of you by being anxious can add a single hour to his span of life? And why are you anxious about clothing? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin, But if God so clothes the grass of the field, which today is alive and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will he not much more clothe you, O you of little faith? yet I tell you, even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. ' Matthew 6:25-30 https://www.bible.com/bible/59/MAT.6.25-30 God cares about the rest of creation, but values humans higher. Also, your "human-centric" sticking point is only a problem if we assume that religion really is just made up. But for followers of religion, specifically, Christianity, there really is a God and the Bible is His word. You can't go "God is terrible because what about aliens" when there's no theological basis for believing there is a sentient alien race somewhere in the universe, let alone that God doesn't care about them. --- Currently Binging: Ghost in the Shell - Stand Alone Complex http://i.imgtc.com/YQId2Bz.png <cite>AlisLandale posted [p:894600847] in How does C... [t:76231135]...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kazi1212 posted...</cite> <quote>Logically follows means its necessarily so, which is not the case here. I can totally imagine a God that made everything thing else as merely decorative creations to serve his most loved and primary creation. God didnt create cow because he likes them, but because they would serve humans, I doubt God gives a hoot about cows</quote> That brings me back to a previous statement I made, that is a terrible god if that is the case.</quote> <quote>'"Therefore I tell you, do not be anxious about your life, what you will eat or what you will drink, nor about your body, what you will put on. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothing? Look at the birds of the air: they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they? And which of you by being anxious can add a single hour to his span of life? And why are you anxious about clothing? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin, But if God so clothes the grass of the field, which today is alive and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will he not much more clothe you, O you of little faith? yet I tell you, even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. ' Matthew 6:25-30 https://www.bible.com/bible/59/MAT.6.25-30</quote> God cares about the rest of creation, but values humans higher. Also, your "human-centric" sticking point is only a problem if we assume that religion really is just made up. But for followers of religion, specifically, Christianity, there really is a God and the Bible is His word. You can't go "God is terrible because what about aliens" when there's no theological basis for believing there is a sentient alien race somewhere in the universe, let alone that God doesn't care about them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FLUFFYGERM 01/22/18 9:51:01 PM #108:	Asherlee10 posted... That's also pretty terrible and speciest lmao humans are objectively of higher value to various deities. and to other humans. the christian god wouldnt be under any obligation to think otherwise. we are the pinnacle of his creation on earth, assuming he exists. --- but Marxist theory is extremely consistent, both internally and with reality. -averagejeol <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:894601500] in How does C... [t:76231135]...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote>That's also pretty terrible and speciest</quote> lmao humans are objectively of higher value to various deities. and to other humans. the christian god wouldnt be under any obligation to think otherwise. we are the pinnacle of his creation on earth, assuming he exists.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AlisLandale 01/22/18 9:58:39 PM #110:	Asherlee10 posted... However, believing that the Christian God spoke to some men for a short period of time and then some other men deciding to write down what they've heard over time and taking that factual truth is a bit hard to swallow. I mean, you can find it hard to swallow, but that's literally the theology. You can't say "but what about this scenario that only matters if you're not actually a believer?" and expect to have your argument taken seriously. It's like when Bill Nye argued that Noah couldn't have built an ark because ship-building is hard. It's not really an argument, because to make it, you have to pretend that the religion is false. And if that is the case, why are you arguing about Noah? Asherlee10 posted... There are some religions that believe in some extraterrestrial stuff, but that isn't entirely the point. But I do think it is fair to say that if the Abrahamic God is the true god, then it is pretty terrible if he is a speciest like that. ...why? God made humans in His own image. And, iirc, are the only beings with a soul. Why would He not hold them in higher regard? Also, here's a bunch of Bible verses on animals http://biblereasons.com/animal-cruelty/ --- Currently Binging: Ghost in the Shell - Stand Alone Complex http://i.imgtc.com/YQId2Bz.png <cite>AlisLandale posted [p:894602102] in How does C... [t:76231135]...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote> However, believing that the Christian God spoke to some men for a short period of time and then some other men deciding to write down what they've heard over time and taking that factual truth is a bit hard to swallow. </quote> I mean, you can find it hard to swallow, but that's literally the theology. You can't say "but what about this scenario that only matters if you're not actually a believer?" and expect to have your argument taken seriously. It's like when Bill Nye argued that Noah couldn't have built an ark because ship-building is hard. It's not really an argument, because to make it, you have to pretend that the religion is false. And if that is the case, why are you arguing about Noah? <cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote>There are some religions that believe in some extraterrestrial stuff, but that isn't entirely the point. But I do think it is fair to say that if the Abrahamic God is the true god, then it is pretty terrible if he is a speciest like that.</quote> ...why? God made humans in His own image. And, iirc, are the only beings with a soul. Why would He not hold them in higher regard? Also, here's a bunch of Bible verses on animals http://biblereasons.com/animal-cruelty/</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AlisLandale 01/22/18 10:18:31 PM #112:	Asherlee10 posted... That is another reason why I said and still say, that's terrible and speciest. Okay, allow me to be direct. Why is it terrible? Please explain why it is terrible. Beyond "it's speciest". Asherlee10 posted... RE: Bill Nye and Noah -- I don't think someone would be out of place to debate the happenings of the Bible especially when those that follow its faith propose that those events are true and happened on Earth. If a belief breaks down when applied to the nature of our world and exists, then it's probably time to set that belief aside. That's how we progress in society And real quick because this is a tangent: If you're arguing the probability of Noah, within the framework of the story (Noah wouldn't have had training to build ships), you're arguing under the premise that there is an all-powerful God. That's why the story exists, and it can not exist without God's presence. This was in response to your posts which tried to use human-centricity as some sort of proof of fallacy. Asherlee10 posted... It doesn't logically follow that if we assume a Maker exists that it would focus on only one of its creations. It does logically follow. Because the Maker in question values humans. But that's really just a tangent. Back to the point. Why is it terrible? Please explain why it is terrible. Beyond "it's speciest". --- Currently Binging: Ghost in the Shell - Stand Alone Complex http://i.imgtc.com/YQId2Bz.png <cite>AlisLandale posted [p:894603617] in How does C... [t:76231135]...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote> That is another reason why I said and still say, that's terrible and speciest. </quote> Okay, allow me to be direct. Why is it terrible? Please explain why it is terrible. Beyond "it's speciest". <cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote>RE: Bill Nye and Noah -- I don't think someone would be out of place to debate the happenings of the Bible especially when those that follow its faith propose that those events are true and happened on Earth. If a belief breaks down when applied to the nature of our world and exists, then it's probably time to set that belief aside. That's how we progress in society</quote> And real quick because this is a tangent: If you're arguing the probability of Noah, within the framework of the story (Noah wouldn't have had training to build ships), you're arguing under the premise that there is an all-powerful God. That's why the story exists, and it can not exist without God's presence. This was in response to your posts which tried to use human-centricity as some sort of proof of fallacy. <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote>It doesn't logically follow that if we assume a Maker exists that it would focus on only one of its creations.</quote> </quote> It does logically follow. Because the Maker in question values humans. But that's really just a tangent. Back to the point. Why is it terrible? Please explain why it is terrible. Beyond "it's speciest".</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nomadic View 01/22/18 10:19:12 PM #113:	A messiah will come. Christians: That messiah came. It was Jesus. Muslims: That messiah came. I was Muhammad. Jews: The messiah has not come yet. --- {}\\{}(o){}\\//{}//=\\{})){}(< \\//{}{{-{}//\\{} {}xxxxxxxx{};;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;> <cite>Nomadic View posted [p:894603664] in How does C... [t:76231135]...</cite> <quote>A messiah will come. Christians: That messiah came. It was Jesus. Muslims: That messiah came. I was Muhammad. Jews: The messiah has not come yet.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 01/22/18 10:22:39 PM #114:	Religion is a weird thing for me. On the one hand, I don't think about it regularly... but on the other hand, I very rarely take fewer than 1 shits per day. I'm conflicted. --- "I can i i everything else," Bob reportedly said. Alice replied: "Balls have zero to me to me to me..." (Facebook AIs talking to each other) <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:894603897] in How does C... [t:76231135]...</cite> <quote>Religion is a weird thing for me. On the one hand, I don't think about it regularly... but on the other hand, I very rarely take fewer than 1 shits per day. I'm conflicted.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheGrindery 01/22/18 11:34:04 PM #115:	People will always perform mental gymnastics to keep their beliefs intact. Let them. Life is hard enough and if believing ridiculous stuff makes your stay on this spinning rock a bit easier, that's fine. <cite>TheGrindery posted [p:894609151] in How does C... [t:76231135]...</cite> <quote>People will always perform mental gymnastics to keep their beliefs intact. Let them. Life is hard enough and if believing ridiculous stuff makes your stay on this spinning rock a bit easier, that's fine.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dash_Harber 01/22/18 11:41:06 PM #116:	It's actually extremely straight forward. Adam was a perfect man and his sin brought sin into the world. The act of sinning 'sold' the world. God felt bad for humanity, and so he made a promise with them. The promise, called the Messianic Covenant, said that a perfect man would come and sacrifice himself to 'buy back' humanity from sin. During this time, they had a bunch of rules and rituals, such as animal sacrifice, to try and seek redemption on a personal level in God's eyes (i.e; old religion). When Jesus arrived and died 'for the world's sins', the sacrifice of a perfect man meant God had bought back humanity (a perfect man for a perfect man) and now people simply had to seek redemption through Jesus instead of through complex ritual. The Jewish people, of course, believe something else (IIRC; Jesus was great, but he was not the Messiah). <cite>Dash_Harber posted [p:894609553] in How does C... [t:76231135]...</cite> <quote>It's actually extremely straight forward. Adam was a perfect man and his sin brought sin into the world. The act of sinning 'sold' the world. God felt bad for humanity, and so he made a promise with them. The promise, called the Messianic Covenant, said that a perfect man would come and sacrifice himself to 'buy back' humanity from sin. During this time, they had a bunch of rules and rituals, such as animal sacrifice, to try and seek redemption on a personal level in God's eyes (i.e; old religion). When Jesus arrived and died 'for the world's sins', the sacrifice of a perfect man meant God had bought back humanity (a perfect man for a perfect man) and now people simply had to seek redemption through Jesus instead of through complex ritual. The Jewish people, of course, believe something else (IIRC; Jesus was great, but he was not the Messiah).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ToonLinkWithGun 01/23/18 12:01:42 AM #117:	Probably because Christianity did not come into existence until AFTER the death of Jesus. I'm sure there were a bunch of silly religions before then. <cite>ToonLinkWithGun posted [p:894610669] in How does C... [t:76231135]...</cite> <quote>Probably because Christianity did not come into existence until AFTER the death of Jesus. I'm sure there were a bunch of silly religions before then.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 01/23/18 12:12:30 AM #118:	> God chooses to create life as he sees fit, and decides to put his greatest effort and care into making self-aware and cognizant highly intelligent humans who he loves more than anything else > "omggggggg you SPECIESIST!1!1!1!1 that's totally SPECIESISM!!!1!1!1 how dare you liek omggggggggggggggg. all animals are equally the same!!!!1!1!1!1!1!1" lol if the Christian God is real and he decided to deem humans as the pinnacle of his work on earth, that is his business and that line of thought is funny and cute. :P --- but Marxist theory is extremely consistent, both internally and with reality. -averagejeol <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:894611266] in How does C... [t:76231135]...</cite> <quote>> God chooses to create life as he sees fit, and decides to put his greatest effort and care into making self-aware and cognizant highly intelligent humans who he loves more than anything else > "omggggggg you SPECIESIST!1!1!1!1 that's totally SPECIESISM!!!1!1!1 how dare you liek omggggggggggggggg. all animals are equally the same!!!!1!1!1!1!1!1" lol if the Christian God is real and he decided to deem humans as the pinnacle of his work on earth, that is his business and that line of thought is funny and cute. :P</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Key 01/23/18 12:26:16 AM #119:	for all of you who are actually religious and have read the bible I have a question. I often here that if you reject god/don't believe in him you will goto hell. is that really how it's taught? Like what if someone is a great person who helped better the world. Either through discovering the cure for some disease or dedicating their life to helping those in need or whatever. Are they still damned if they don't believe in God? That's pretty harsh if true. --- <:;:;:;:;:;:;:;:;}]\\\\\\O=('-'Q) (>'-')> <('-'<) ^( '-' )^ v( '-' )v <('-'<) ^(_ _)^ (>'-')> ^(^-^) <cite>Key posted [p:894611961] in How does C... [t:76231135]...</cite> <quote>for all of you who are actually religious and have read the bible I have a question. I often here that if you reject god/don't believe in him you will goto hell. is that really how it's taught? Like what if someone is a great person who helped better the world. Either through discovering the cure for some disease or dedicating their life to helping those in need or whatever. Are they still damned if they don't believe in God? That's pretty harsh if true.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dash_Harber 01/23/18 12:58:48 AM #120:	Key posted... for all of you who are actually religious and have read the bible I have a question. I often here that if you reject god/don't believe in him you will goto hell. is that really how it's taught? Like what if someone is a great person who helped better the world. Either through discovering the cure for some disease or dedicating their life to helping those in need or whatever. Are they still damned if they don't believe in God? That's pretty harsh if true. Not Christian here, but the concept of hell actually doesn't exist in more minor branches like the Jehovah's Witnesses. However, Catholics have a specific concept for dealing with this; purgatory. It's a realm where good or otherwise neutral non-believers either are put for eternity or until they are 'purified' (depending on interpretation). <cite>Dash_Harber posted [p:894613380] in How does C... [t:76231135]...</cite> <quote><cite>Key posted...</cite> <quote>for all of you who are actually religious and have read the bible I have a question. I often here that if you reject god/don't believe in him you will goto hell. is that really how it's taught? Like what if someone is a great person who helped better the world. Either through discovering the cure for some disease or dedicating their life to helping those in need or whatever. Are they still damned if they don't believe in God? That's pretty harsh if true.</quote> Not Christian here, but the concept of hell actually doesn't exist in more minor branches like the Jehovah's Witnesses. However, Catholics have a specific concept for dealing with this; purgatory. It's a realm where good or otherwise neutral non-believers either are put for eternity or until they are 'purified' (depending on interpretation).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Asperity 01/23/18 1:07:04 AM #121:	Key posted... for all of you who are actually religious and have read the bible I have a question. I often here that if you reject god/don't believe in him you will goto hell. is that really how it's taught? Like what if someone is a great person who helped better the world. Either through discovering the cure for some disease or dedicating their life to helping those in need or whatever. Are they still damned if they don't believe in God? That's pretty harsh if true. Works don't get you into heaven, accepting Jesus does. Rejecting Jesus means choosing hell, the one place he is not. He's literally giving what those who reject him want; nothing to do with him. Unfortunately that means hell. --- furious friction! <cite>Asperity posted [p:894613719] in How does C... [t:76231135]...</cite> <quote><cite>Key posted...</cite> <quote>for all of you who are actually religious and have read the bible I have a question. I often here that if you reject god/don't believe in him you will goto hell. is that really how it's taught? Like what if someone is a great person who helped better the world. Either through discovering the cure for some disease or dedicating their life to helping those in need or whatever. Are they still damned if they don't believe in God? That's pretty harsh if true.</quote> Works don't get you into heaven, accepting Jesus does. Rejecting Jesus means choosing hell, the one place he is not. He's literally giving what those who reject him want; nothing to do with him. Unfortunately that means hell.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Key 01/23/18 1:29:53 AM #122:	Dash_Harber posted... However, Catholics have a specific concept for dealing with this; purgatory. It's a realm where good or otherwise neutral non-believers either are put for eternity or until they are 'purified' (depending on interpretation). I guess that's a little better depending on how this purgatory is. Asperity posted... Works don't get you into heaven, accepting Jesus does. Rejecting Jesus means choosing hell, the one place he is not. He's literally giving what those who reject him want; nothing to do with him. Unfortunately that means hell. This is just dumb though. So a good person who was raised a different religion would goto hell because they don't believe in god. That's a flawed system man --- <:;:;:;:;:;:;:;:;}]\\\\\\O=('-'Q) (>'-')> <('-'<) ^( '-' )^ v( '-' )v <('-'<) ^(_ _)^ (>'-')> ^(^-^) <cite>Key posted [p:894614754] in How does C... [t:76231135]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote>However, Catholics have a specific concept for dealing with this; purgatory. It's a realm where good or otherwise neutral non-believers either are put for eternity or until they are 'purified' (depending on interpretation).</quote> I guess that's a little better depending on how this purgatory is. <cite>Asperity posted...</cite> <quote>Works don't get you into heaven, accepting Jesus does. Rejecting Jesus means choosing hell, the one place he is not. He's literally giving what those who reject him want; nothing to do with him. Unfortunately that means hell.</quote> This is just dumb though. So a good person who was raised a different religion would goto hell because they don't believe in god. That's a flawed system man</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheGrindery 01/23/18 1:33:57 AM #123:	Basically it's God saying "Well yeah you're a great guy and all, it's just..... you're not in the club." Heaven is ran by The Little Rascals. <cite>TheGrindery posted [p:894614920] in How does C... [t:76231135]...</cite> <quote>Basically it's God saying "Well yeah you're a great guy and all, it's just..... you're not in the club." Heaven is ran by The Little Rascals.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
armandro 01/23/18 2:08:19 AM #124:	Key posted... Dash_Harber posted... However, Catholics have a specific concept for dealing with this; purgatory. It's a realm where good or otherwise neutral non-believers either are put for eternity or until they are 'purified' (depending on interpretation). I guess that's a little better depending on how this purgatory is. Asperity posted... Works don't get you into heaven, accepting Jesus does. Rejecting Jesus means choosing hell, the one place he is not. He's literally giving what those who reject him want; nothing to do with him. Unfortunately that means hell. This is just dumb though. So a good person who was raised a different religion would goto hell because they don't believe in god. That's a flawed system man How is it flawed? You can't exactly reject something you haven't been exposed to. right?? --- http://i.imgur.com/sKghEcP.gif 8 October, 2023 <cite>armandro posted [p:894616266] in How does C... [t:76231135]...</cite> <quote><cite>Key posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote>However, Catholics have a specific concept for dealing with this; purgatory. It's a realm where good or otherwise neutral non-believers either are put for eternity or until they are 'purified' (depending on interpretation).</quote> I guess that's a little better depending on how this purgatory is. <cite>Asperity posted...</cite> <quote>Works don't get you into heaven, accepting Jesus does. Rejecting Jesus means choosing hell, the one place he is not. He's literally giving what those who reject him want; nothing to do with him. Unfortunately that means hell.</quote> This is just dumb though. So a good person who was raised a different religion would goto hell because they don't believe in god. That's a flawed system man</quote> How is it flawed? You can't exactly reject something you haven't been exposed to. right??</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dash_Harber 01/23/18 5:02:22 AM #126:	VoightKent posted... Christianity was the first religion. If you look at the Old Testament there's evidence of the future arrival of Mary, there's allusions to Jesus and the Devil's future battle, and a bunch of other foreshadowing. Even if we take that huge leap, the Old Testament is newer than the Hindu religion. <cite>Dash_Harber posted [p:894620665] in How does C... [t:76231135]...</cite> <quote><cite>VoightKent posted...</cite> <quote>Christianity was the first religion. If you look at the Old Testament there's evidence of the future arrival of Mary, there's allusions to Jesus and the Devil's future battle, and a bunch of other foreshadowing.</quote> Even if we take that huge leap, the Old Testament is newer than the Hindu religion.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dash_Harber 01/23/18 6:00:15 AM #128:	VoightKent posted... Dash_Harber posted... Even if we take that huge leap, the Old Testament is newer than the Hindu religion. No, the OT are the fragments of God's first revelations to mankind, 6000 odd years ago. "Hinduism" in its early stages (i.e. proto Indo-European pagan religion) dates back to around 4000 years I would say That's what the Bible says, but historical evidence dates it much later, IIRC. Hell, the Epic of Gilgamesh is the oldest known written story and it is dated back to 2,700 BC. The Old Testament, on the other hand, dates to about the 6th century BC. <cite>Dash_Harber posted [p:894621756] in How does C... [t:76231135]...</cite> <quote><cite>VoightKent posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote> Even if we take that huge leap, the Old Testament is newer than the Hindu religion.</quote> No, the OT are the fragments of God's first revelations to mankind, 6000 odd years ago. "Hinduism" in its early stages (i.e. proto Indo-European pagan religion) dates back to around 4000 years I would say</quote> That's what the Bible says, but historical evidence dates it much later, IIRC. Hell, the Epic of Gilgamesh is the oldest known written story and it is dated back to 2,700 BC. The Old Testament, on the other hand, dates to about the 6th century BC.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Foppe 01/23/18 6:55:27 AM #130:	A problem that most people seem to forget is that Christianity have split into dozens of different religions that read the Bible in different ways. Heck, some prays to baby Jesus for some reason. --- GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site. -CJayC <cite>Foppe posted [p:894622923] in How does C... [t:76231135]...</cite> <quote>A problem that most people seem to forget is that Christianity have split into dozens of different religions that read the Bible in different ways. Heck, some prays to baby Jesus for some reason.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Marauder64 01/23/18 7:30:08 AM #131:	The epistle of the paul to the Romans chap. 10 : 14-17(new king James version) states: 14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? 15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! 16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias said, Lord, who has believed our report? 17 So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. This is where a person might accept Jesus, and God's message, or reject him. --- The code of the elitist: If people like it, it sucks. : Sinix. PSN: Gridmac <cite>Marauder64 posted [p:894623674] in How does C... [t:76231135]...</cite> <quote>The epistle of the paul to the Romans chap. 10 : 14-17(new king James version) states: 14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? 15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! 16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias said, Lord, who has believed our report? 17 So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. This is where a person might accept Jesus, and God's message, or reject him.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EverDownward 01/23/18 7:31:52 AM #132:	>questioning a major religion in the OP Six page, seven page, eight page replies! --- http://i.imgur.com/DKNJbBm.jpg What a terrifying thing to happen. I'm not sure why but I have this big fear of going blond - Zurkon <cite>EverDownward posted [p:894623711] in How does C... [t:76231135]...</cite> <quote>>questioning a major religion in the OP Six page, seven page, eight page replies!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
teepan95 01/23/18 8:55:18 AM #133:	Nomadic View posted... A messiah will come. Christians: That messiah came. It was Jesus. Muslims: That messiah came. I was Muhammad. Jews: The messiah has not come yet. Wrong, Islamic belief doesn't claim Muhammad was the Messiah. Rather it was Jesus. --- I use Gameraven and you should too. #desisoyboy <cite>teepan95 posted [p:894626179] in How does C... [t:76231135]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nomadic View posted...</cite> <quote>A messiah will come. Christians: That messiah came. It was Jesus. Muslims: That messiah came. I was Muhammad. Jews: The messiah has not come yet.</quote> Wrong, Islamic belief doesn't claim Muhammad was the Messiah. Rather it was Jesus.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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josifrees 01/23/18 9:18:38 AM #135:	Jesus is the way the Bible is a lot of fluff. Read the red --- Quit Crying <cite>josifrees posted [p:894627055] in How does C... [t:76231135]...</cite> <quote>Jesus is the way the Bible is a lot of fluff. Read the red</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Vindris_SNH 01/23/18 9:23:14 AM #137:	First of all, Christianity is based off of the existence and actions of Jesus Christ. Of course it wasn't the first religion. Second, you should consider that maybe the God of the Bible decided not to reveal himself to mankind until a certain point. Christianity not being the first religion doesn't make it any less credible. --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants? <cite>Vindris_SNH posted [p:894627255] in How does C... [t:76231135]...</cite> <quote>First of all, Christianity is based off of the existence and actions of Jesus Christ. Of course it wasn't the first religion. Second, you should consider that maybe the God of the Bible decided not to reveal himself to mankind until a certain point. Christianity not being the first religion doesn't make it any less credible.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheGrindery 01/23/18 9:25:51 AM #138:	The fear of mortality is strong ITT. <cite>TheGrindery posted [p:894627359] in How does C... [t:76231135]...</cite> <quote>The fear of mortality is strong ITT.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vindris_SNH 01/23/18 9:26:33 AM #139:	TheGrindery posted... The fear of mortality is strong ITT. Having religious beliefs doesn't mean you fear mortality. --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants? <cite>Vindris_SNH posted [p:894627384] in How does C... [t:76231135]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheGrindery posted...</cite> <quote>The fear of mortality is strong ITT.</quote> Having religious beliefs doesn't mean you fear mortality.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vindris_SNH 01/23/18 9:35:13 AM #140:	Seeing threads like this, with such unfounded hatred toward Christianity, helps to reaffirm my faith as a Christian. The Bible talks about Christians being persecuted, lied about, laughed at, and mocked by others, for no reason other than a bitterness that has grown from denial of God in the hearts of unbelievers. --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants? <cite>Vindris_SNH posted [p:894627727] in How does C... [t:76231135]...</cite> <quote>Seeing threads like this, with such unfounded hatred toward Christianity, helps to reaffirm my faith as a Christian. The Bible talks about Christians being persecuted, lied about, laughed at, and mocked by others, for no reason other than a bitterness that has grown from denial of God in the hearts of unbelievers.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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josifrees 01/23/18 9:53:02 AM #142:	Asherlee10 posted... Vindris_SNH posted... The Bible talks about Christians being persecuted, lied about, laughed at, and mocked by others, for no reason other than a bitterness that has grown from denial of God in the hearts of unbelievers. I could be wrong, but I suspect that most of the not-so-nice remarks you encounter about Christianity from people in the U.S. are not about being bitter from the denial of God, but about bad personal experiences in relation to Christianity. This. But one should hate the player not the game --- Quit Crying <cite>josifrees posted [p:894628462] in How does C... [t:76231135]...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote>The Bible talks about Christians being persecuted, lied about, laughed at, and mocked by others, for no reason other than a bitterness that has grown from denial of God in the hearts of unbelievers.</quote> I could be wrong, but I suspect that most of the not-so-nice remarks you encounter about Christianity from people in the U.S. are not about being bitter from the denial of God, but about bad personal experiences in relation to Christianity.</quote> This. But one should hate the player not the game</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vindris_SNH 01/23/18 9:53:23 AM #143:	Asherlee10 posted... Vindris_SNH posted... The Bible talks about Christians being persecuted, lied about, laughed at, and mocked by others, for no reason other than a bitterness that has grown from denial of God in the hearts of unbelievers. I could be wrong, but I suspect that most of the not-so-nice remarks you encounter about Christianity from people in the U.S. are not about being bitter from the denial of God, but about bad personal experiences in relation to Christianity. Bad personal experiences they've had with hypocritical "Christians" like the ones from Westboro Baptist. I understand resentment of hypocrisy, but that's no excuse for someone to hate Christianity itself. Jesus Christ is the only example of how a Christian should live that people should go by. --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants? <cite>Vindris_SNH posted [p:894628479] in How does C... [t:76231135]...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote>The Bible talks about Christians being persecuted, lied about, laughed at, and mocked by others, for no reason other than a bitterness that has grown from denial of God in the hearts of unbelievers.</quote> I could be wrong, but I suspect that most of the not-so-nice remarks you encounter about Christianity from people in the U.S. are not about being bitter from the denial of God, but about bad personal experiences in relation to Christianity.</quote> Bad personal experiences they've had with hypocritical "Christians" like the ones from Westboro Baptist. I understand resentment of hypocrisy, but that's no excuse for someone to hate Christianity itself. Jesus Christ is the only example of how a Christian should live that people should go by.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
josifrees 01/23/18 9:55:11 AM #144:	Vindris_SNH posted... Asherlee10 posted... Vindris_SNH posted... The Bible talks about Christians being persecuted, lied about, laughed at, and mocked by others, for no reason other than a bitterness that has grown from denial of God in the hearts of unbelievers. I could be wrong, but I suspect that most of the not-so-nice remarks you encounter about Christianity from people in the U.S. are not about being bitter from the denial of God, but about bad personal experiences in relation to Christianity. Bad personal experiences they've had with hypocritical "Christians" like the ones from Westboro Baptist. I understand resentment of hypocrisy, but that's no excuse for someone to hate Christianity itself. Jesus Christ is the only example of how a Christian should live that people should go by. And how many Christians actually live by Jesus Christ as their example?????? None can and most dont even try to --- Quit Crying <cite>josifrees posted [p:894628576] in How does C... [t:76231135]...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote>The Bible talks about Christians being persecuted, lied about, laughed at, and mocked by others, for no reason other than a bitterness that has grown from denial of God in the hearts of unbelievers.</quote> I could be wrong, but I suspect that most of the not-so-nice remarks you encounter about Christianity from people in the U.S. are not about being bitter from the denial of God, but about bad personal experiences in relation to Christianity.</quote> Bad personal experiences they've had with hypocritical "Christians" like the ones from Westboro Baptist. I understand resentment of hypocrisy, but that's no excuse for someone to hate Christianity itself. Jesus Christ is the only example of how a Christian should live that people should go by.</quote> And how many Christians actually live by Jesus Christ as their example?????? None can and most dont even try to</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funkydog 01/23/18 9:55:50 AM #145:	Vindris_SNH posted... Bad personal experiences they've had with hypocritical "Christians" like the ones from Westboro Baptist. I understand resentment of hypocrisy, but that's no excuse for someone to hate Christianity itself. Jesus Christ is the only example of how a Christian should live that people should go by. Maybe he is, but many people find the concept of what Christianity is rather offensive and against what they value as good. Many Christian values don't align with a lot of modern thinking and (in America at least, from what I see as an outsider) those values are often used to try and determine law despite the supposed separation of state and religion America boasts as one of its main perks. --- http://i.imgur.com/BGbZK.gif <cite>Funkydog posted [p:894628602] in How does C... [t:76231135]...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote>Bad personal experiences they've had with hypocritical "Christians" like the ones from Westboro Baptist. I understand resentment of hypocrisy, but that's no excuse for someone to hate Christianity itself. Jesus Christ is the only example of how a Christian should live that people should go by.</quote> Maybe he is, but many people find the concept of what Christianity is rather offensive and against what they value as good. Many Christian values don't align with a lot of modern thinking and (in America at least, from what I see as an outsider) those values are often used to try and determine law despite the supposed separation of state and religion America boasts as one of its main perks.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Renraku_San 01/23/18 9:59:46 AM #146:	josifrees posted... Vindris_SNH posted... Asherlee10 posted... Vindris_SNH posted... The Bible talks about Christians being persecuted, lied about, laughed at, and mocked by others, for no reason other than a bitterness that has grown from denial of God in the hearts of unbelievers. I could be wrong, but I suspect that most of the not-so-nice remarks you encounter about Christianity from people in the U.S. are not about being bitter from the denial of God, but about bad personal experiences in relation to Christianity. Bad personal experiences they've had with hypocritical "Christians" like the ones from Westboro Baptist. I understand resentment of hypocrisy, but that's no excuse for someone to hate Christianity itself. Jesus Christ is the only example of how a Christian should live that people should go by. And how many Christians actually live by Jesus Christ as their example?????? None can and most dont even try to Stop fucking judging us, goddamnit. --- I worship Jesus Christ and am 100% proud to be Christian! I read the Bible every day, you should too! <cite>Renraku_San posted [p:894628779] in How does C... [t:76231135]...</cite> <quote><cite>josifrees posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote>The Bible talks about Christians being persecuted, lied about, laughed at, and mocked by others, for no reason other than a bitterness that has grown from denial of God in the hearts of unbelievers.</quote> I could be wrong, but I suspect that most of the not-so-nice remarks you encounter about Christianity from people in the U.S. are not about being bitter from the denial of God, but about bad personal experiences in relation to Christianity.</quote> Bad personal experiences they've had with hypocritical "Christians" like the ones from Westboro Baptist. I understand resentment of hypocrisy, but that's no excuse for someone to hate Christianity itself. Jesus Christ is the only example of how a Christian should live that people should go by.</quote> And how many Christians actually live by Jesus Christ as their example?????? None can and most dont even try to</quote> Stop fucking judging us, goddamnit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ilovu 01/23/18 10:01:24 AM #147:	as I recall vindris/vindrith complains about black people like crazy and then wonders why people roll their eyes at Christians --- https://i.imgur.com/rOvO36b.png https://i.imgur.com/zK9t031.gif <cite>ilovu posted [p:894628847] in How does C... [t:76231135]...</cite> <quote>as I recall vindris/vindrith complains about black people like crazy and then wonders why people roll their eyes at Christians</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
josifrees 01/23/18 10:01:32 AM #148:	Im not casting any stones. --- Quit Crying <cite>josifrees posted [p:894628852] in How does C... [t:76231135]...</cite> <quote>Im not casting any stones.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dragonblade01 01/23/18 10:08:32 AM #151:	Vindris_SNH posted... Seeing threads like this, with such unfounded hatred toward Christianity, helps to reaffirm my faith as a Christian. The Bible talks about Christians being persecuted, lied about, laughed at, and mocked by others, for no reason other than a bitterness that has grown from denial of God in the hearts of unbelievers. Your belief is strengthened by the fact that the authors correctly predicted that their radical departure from Jewish tradition might be met with ridicule? <cite>Dragonblade01 posted [p:894629161] in How does C... [t:76231135]...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote>Seeing threads like this, with such unfounded hatred toward Christianity, helps to reaffirm my faith as a Christian. The Bible talks about Christians being persecuted, lied about, laughed at, and mocked by others, for no reason other than a bitterness that has grown from denial of God in the hearts of unbelievers.</quote> Your belief is strengthened by the fact that the authors correctly predicted that their radical departure from Jewish tradition might be met with ridicule?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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