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ImTheMacheteGuy
02/07/18 7:24:45 PM
#401:


Mr Lasastryke posted...
yeah, not sure what that "you're a liberal who lives a sheltered life in a bubble!" rant had to do with anything.

in my particular bubble i'm friends with several women who have been sexually assaulted by western men, which is precisely the reason why i know the "sexual assault is only a big problem among muslim men!" thing is bullshit. they don't post about their experiences on the subreddits vlado reads, though, so i guess they don't exist in his little world.


That's purely anecdotal though. Anecdotes are incapable of providing facts. Only news sources (except for the ones Vlado calls fake news) and reddit threads (except for the ones that make him go "lol @ plebbit") provide actual facts.
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Vlado
02/08/18 3:16:17 AM
#402:


0Gy8BLs

The fire rises.
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Forceful_Dragon
02/08/18 3:40:07 AM
#403:


Vlado posted...
0Gy8BLs

The fire rises.


What exactly are you trying to show us?

It looks like stuff we already knew. HRC was using personal email that was not as secure as government email. And she conducted both official and unofficial business using her personal account.

That includes correspondences with the president.

All of this was previously known, so please explain to me what justifies your comment of "the fire rises".

It sounds like the only thing that happened is that they changed "she sent emails to the president while in other countries" to "she sent emails to senior government officers while in other countries".

Which changes what exactly? Because I'm not seeing the damning thing there.
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Vlado
02/08/18 3:42:43 AM
#404:


Comey changed "President" to "another senior government official" in order to make clinton's crimes look less serious.
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MoogleKupo141
02/08/18 4:00:57 AM
#405:


I'm confused... The "he" in "he changed president to senior official" looks like it refers to the Bill mentioned in the previous line, where are you getting that it's about Comey?
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metroid composite
02/08/18 4:09:48 AM
#406:


Vlado posted...
Comey changed "President" to "another senior government official" in order to make clinton's crimes look less serious.

Unlikely. If I had to guess, my first guess would be that he changed it to "another senior government official" to protect classified information. (Remember, Obama used a codeword name for his email address. If a foreign spy had stolen Hillary's emails, they wouldn't necessarily know who Hillary was emailing with).
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Vlado
02/08/18 4:19:20 AM
#407:


MoogleKupo141 posted...
I'm confused... The "he" in "he changed president to senior official" looks like it refers to the Bill mentioned in the previous line, where are you getting that it's about Comey?

See the part on the left.

metroid composite posted...
Vlado posted...
Comey changed "President" to "another senior government official" in order to make clinton's crimes look less serious.

Unlikely. If I had to guess, my first guess would be that he changed it to "another senior government official" to protect classified information.

Very weak excuse. We're talking about FBI's position on clinton's email investigation. Something the public would see anyway.
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MoogleKupo141
02/08/18 4:39:18 AM
#408:


yeah I see comey's name there on the left but I don't see what the connection between that which looks like an email header and the text messages on the right is.
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Vlado
02/08/18 5:20:09 AM
#409:


The date.
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Espeon
02/08/18 8:15:56 AM
#410:


Since when do you care about dates when pushing a scandal? Weve already established that for every one truth you post, you also post ten lies, so theres no reason to believe anything you post is credible.
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Espeon
02/08/18 8:16:18 AM
#411:


Espeon posted...
I just noticed Tonys sig and it reminds me again: apologize, Vlado. Apologize for lying about the death of an innocent man in order to use him as a political pawn. Dont keep changing the subject just because you dont want people to linger on any one comment long enough to realize youre wrong or outright lying. You lied. You posted false information as fact. And you dragged the Rich family through the mud because you cared more about smearing Democrats than you do about Seth Rich as a person (much like how you only care about sexual assault as a means to smear liberals or Muslims, not so much about the actual victims.)

So apologize. Admit that you lied, or at least that you were gullible and tricked by other peoples lies, and apologize.


This again, btw.
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Vlado
02/08/18 9:50:09 AM
#412:


There's nothing to apologise for. THE TRUTH trumps all lies.
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FFDragon
02/08/18 9:51:35 AM
#413:


Vlado posted...
trump [...] lies

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Espeon
02/08/18 10:32:37 AM
#414:


Vlado posted...
There's nothing to apologise for. THE TRUTH trumps all lies.


What truth? Literally every time you post about Seth Rich, it is easily disproven, and in fact the incident Im referring to is an instance where you posted false information and the original source of said information AND the news organization originally reporting it all retracted it, yet you have NEVER apologized or even acknowledged that you posted an outright lie as though it was a fact. So APOLOGIZE. For fucks sake, are you SO weak and insecure that you cant admit when you fucked up?
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FFDragon
02/08/18 10:36:47 AM
#415:


i mean

duh
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MoogleKupo141
02/08/18 3:04:37 PM
#416:


Vlado posted...
The date.


I still don't totally get it. Comey isn't mentioned in those messages anywhere, how does it make sense for the "he" to refer to him?

is "Bill" Comey's code name ?
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Vlado
02/09/18 3:46:10 AM
#417:


Talked to "Bill" (most likely his boss at the time, E. W. Bill Priestap) about the case. In that conversation, learned that Comey had changed "president" to "another senior government official". Clear now?

An FBI informant connected to the Uranium One controversy told three congressional committees in a written statement that Moscow routed millions of dollars to America with the expectation it would be used to benefit Bill Clinton's charitable efforts while Secretary of State Hillary Clinton quarterbacked a reset in U.S.-Russian relations.

The informant, Douglas Campbell, said in the statement obtained by The Hill that he was told by Russian nuclear executives that Moscow had hired the American lobbying firm APCO Worldwide specifically because it was in position to influence the Obama administration, and more specifically Hillary Clinton.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/372861-uranium-one-informant-makes-clinton-allegations-in-testimony

So Russia will remain the bogeyman, however the roles will be switched and neocons will haunt the democraps using Russia. Well, whatever suits these puppets' bosses! Their top priority is that relations with Russia are not normalised like Trump wanted.
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foolm0r0n
02/09/18 3:49:32 AM
#418:


Russian culture can never be normalized with the US. That's pure globalist fantasy.
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Forceful_Dragon
02/09/18 4:02:11 AM
#419:


Vlado posted...
Talked to "Bill" (most likely his boss at the time, E. W. Bill Priestap) about the case. In that conversation, learned that Comey had changed "president" to "another senior government official". Clear now?


And thats a problem because....?

We were the victims of having a lot of data hacked. It makes sense not to say exactly how bad it was so im not seeing the crime.

Why are the emails even relevant again? Because to me they serve asva reminder that Russia hacked emails with a specific purpose in mind which was to help impact our election.
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Vlado
02/09/18 4:56:36 AM
#420:


lmfao, this guy literally believes the "Russian hackers" fairy tale. *notes not to waste further time with him*

The e-mails are important because clinton used a private account for government correspondence, which means she made a serious violation of the law.
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Forceful_Dragon
02/09/18 6:23:30 AM
#421:


Vlado posted...
The e-mails are important because clinton used a private account for government correspondence, which means she made a serious violation of the law.


It was not against the rules at the time.

This fact has been covered extensively.
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Vlado
02/09/18 8:05:17 AM
#422:


Yes, it was. Or do you think all those months of investigation were over nothing? Are you trying to make it out as if they were actually investigating "those evil Russians" all along, not clinton? This is beyond sad. Not surprising though.

Now to actually keep with what I said...
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Espeon
02/09/18 8:32:49 AM
#423:


Vlado posted...
Yes, it was. Or do you think all those months of investigation were over nothing? Are you trying to make it out as if they were actually investigating "those evil Russians" all along, not clinton? This is beyond sad. Not surprising though.

Now to actually keep with what I said...


So just to be clear, you believe the following two ideas: the Russian investigation going for a year and a half now that has already resulted in multiple indictments = fake, the Hillary e-mail investigation that lasted less time and was ultimately deemed nothing = extremely important.

And Ill follow that up with another two beliefs: Roy Moore and Donald Trump were victims of a partisan smear campaign and never committed sexual assault...buuuuuuuut Hillarys e-mails and Benghazi, the latter of which was openly touted by Republican legislators as a smear campaign, those were both totally legit.

Youre either a complete idiot or a blatant liar. Either way, apologize for spreading false information as fact. Apologize for lying about Seth Rich, first and foremost.
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Vlado
02/09/18 8:50:39 AM
#424:


Ron Paul with incredible impartiality, as usual, calling out both republicans and democraps. A truly moral man.

First, the memo demonstrates that there is a deep state that does not want things like elections to threaten its existence. Candidate Trumps repeated promises to get along with Russia and to re-assess NATO so many years after the end of the Cold War were threatening to a Washington that depends on creating enemies to sustain the fear needed to justify a trillion dollar yearly military budget.


Finally, hawks on both sides of the aisle in Congress used Russia-gate as an excuse to build animosity toward Russia among average Americans. They knew from the classified information that there was no basis for their claims that the Trump Administration was put into office with Moscows assistance, but they played along because it served their real goal of keeping the US on war footing and keeping the gravy train rolling.

But dont worry: the neocons in both parties will soon find another excuse to keep us terrified and ready to flush away a trillion dollars a year on military spending and continue our arguments and new Cold War with Russia.


In the meantime, be skeptical of both parties. With few exceptions they are not protecting liberty but promoting its opposite.


http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2018/february/05/what-the-fbifisa-memo-really-tells-us-about-our-government/
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trdl23
02/09/18 8:56:39 AM
#425:


Apologize. Now.
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Espeon
02/09/18 8:59:00 AM
#426:


Once again spreading false information as more credible than fact. Apologize for lying and admit youve been wrong.
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metroid composite
02/09/18 9:04:52 AM
#427:


Vlado posted...
The e-mails are important because clinton used a private account for government correspondence, which means she made a serious violation of the law.

I mean, several people in the Trump white house also use private email accounts:

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/352384-six-trump-officials-used-personal-email-accounts-for-white-house

Since it's such a serious crime, shouldn't we be focusing most of our attention on the people CURRENTLY using personal email accounts and not on the woman who doesn't work in government anymore?
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metroid composite
02/09/18 9:09:42 AM
#428:


Vlado posted...
lmfao, this guy literally believes the "Russian hackers" fairy tale. *notes not to waste further time with him*

I mean, American election officials did just have a press release about Russian hackers yesterday:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/russians-penetrated-u-s-voter-systems-says-top-u-s-n845721
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Espeon
02/09/18 9:17:42 AM
#429:


Why are you defending Russia so much, Vlado? Their behavior is more globalist and deep state than anything liberals have been involved with. Oh, and again:

APOLOGIZE
FOR LYING
ABOUT SETH RICH
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Vlado
02/09/18 9:54:47 AM
#430:


metroid composite posted...
Vlado posted...
lmfao, this guy literally believes the "Russian hackers" fairy tale. *notes not to waste further time with him*

I mean, American election officials did just have a press release about Russian hackers yesterday:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/russians-penetrated-u-s-voter-systems-says-top-u-s-n845721

I mean, would a government official lie to advance the plans of the government's puppetmasters?! Why, I never! Meanwhile, we're still waiting for even a SINGLE shred of evidence about those claims.

Read Ron Paul's article I shared above.
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Vlado
02/09/18 9:56:04 AM
#431:


I recommend this amazing podcast to people who wish to know more about a nation with an amazing, 1500+-year history.
https://soundcloud.com/bulgarian-history-podcast

https://www.patreon.com/user?u=3271615
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Espeon
02/09/18 10:00:59 AM
#432:


Vlado posted...
metroid composite posted...
Vlado posted...
lmfao, this guy literally believes the "Russian hackers" fairy tale. *notes not to waste further time with him*

I mean, American election officials did just have a press release about Russian hackers yesterday:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/russians-penetrated-u-s-voter-systems-says-top-u-s-n845721

I mean, would a government official lie to advance the plans of the government's puppetmasters?! Why, I never!

Read Ron Paul's article I shared above.


Ron Paul is a government official. Even though he calls out both sides of the aisle, discrediting the Russia investigation only makes ONE side look bad. Why do you trust Ron Paul implicitly but not other government officials?

Once more:

APOLOGIZE
FOR LYING
ABOUT SETH RICH
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Mr Lasastryke
02/09/18 10:07:37 AM
#433:


Vlado posted...
Ron Paul with incredible impartiality, as usual, calling out both republicans and democraps. A truly moral man.


"a hero like steven seagal could never be a democrat." - the completely impartial vlado, earlier in this topic
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TheRock1525
02/09/18 10:07:49 AM
#434:


Vlado posted...
Meanwhile, we're still waiting for even a SINGLE shred of evidence about those claims.


There's been several pieces of evidence, you just choose to ignore them.
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Vlado
02/09/18 10:12:20 AM
#435:


Mr Lasastryke posted...
Vlado posted...
Ron Paul with incredible impartiality, as usual, calling out both republicans and democraps. A truly moral man.


"a hero like steven seagal could never be a democrat." - the completely impartial vlado, earlier in this topic

I never claimed to be as impartial as Ron Paul.

TheRock1525 posted...
Vlado posted...
Meanwhile, we're still waiting for even a SINGLE shred of evidence about those claims.


There's been several pieces of evidence, you just choose to ignore them.

Let's see them.
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LapisLazuli
02/09/18 10:17:31 AM
#436:


Stop humoring this waste of oxygen.
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Peace___Frog
02/09/18 10:19:11 AM
#437:


LapisLazuli posted...
Stop humoring this waste of oxygen.

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Espeon
02/09/18 10:19:42 AM
#438:


What evidence would you accept that wouldnt result in you saying the deep state made that up to push their globalist agenda? Because youve already said you dont trust the government officials making official statements about Russian interference (including Trumps hand-picked Secretary of State), so there is literally no evidence that we can provide that you wont immediately deny. You just lie and ignore facts. Thats all you do.

APOLOGIZE
FOR LYING
ABOUT SETH RICH
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Mr Lasastryke
02/09/18 10:19:46 AM
#439:


Vlado posted...
I never claimed to be as impartial as Ron Paul.


uh, i'm confused now. you praise ron paul's impartiality for being "incredible" and "truly moral," but you also admit to not being impartial yourself? why? it's not like being impartial is a great accomplishment or difficult to do or anything.

also, if paul's impartiality is superior to your biased nonsense, why should i care about this topic? should i just stop bothering with this and read paul's articles instead?
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TheRock1525
02/09/18 10:33:34 AM
#440:


Vlado posted...
Let's see them.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_elections
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Mr Lasastryke
02/09/18 12:11:37 PM
#441:


btw, i guarantee that ron paul fucking despises trump, but vlado conveniently ignores that. we should only praise paul for being inredibly impartial and truly moral when he's attacking democrats, i guess.
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foolm0r0n
02/09/18 12:20:13 PM
#442:


Vlado posted...
*notes not to waste further time with him*

Can I get on this list?
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foolm0r0n
02/09/18 12:56:00 PM
#443:


https://i.redd.it/7v3f5qib76f01.jpg

Would be perfect for Vlado but he despises America so he would never wear that shirt
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Not_an_Owl
02/09/18 3:32:08 PM
#444:


foolm0r0n posted...
https://i.redd.it/7v3f5qib76f01.jpg

Would be perfect for Vlado but he despises America so he would never wear that shirt

lmao plebbit
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foolm0r0n
02/09/18 3:38:42 PM
#445:


wow dismissing the source because you can't handle the objective truth
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Seginustemple
02/09/18 4:39:30 PM
#446:


Vlado posted...
I recommend this amazing podcast to people who wish to know more about a nation with an amazing, 1500+-year history.


Lmao let me know when that shithole is relevant enough for me to need to know its leader's name
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TheRock1525
02/09/18 11:14:48 PM
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Vlado
02/10/18 7:56:23 AM
#448:


Mr Lasastryke posted...
uh, i'm confused now. you praise ron paul's impartiality for being "incredible" and "truly moral," but you also admit to not being impartial yourself? why? it's not like being impartial is a great accomplishment or difficult to do or anything.

What I most want to point out is that impartial people like Ron Paul lean towards my position rather than yours. Stop for a few moments and think why that is.

TheRock1525 posted...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_elections

I meant actual evidence, not a wiki page.

foolm0r0n posted...
https://i.redd.it/7v3f5qib76f01.jpg

Would be perfect for Vlado but he despises America so he would never wear that shirt

Do you think that is clever? Just waving away all the facts that show in plain sight the existence of the deep state and how disproportionate their power is? Sad. You refuse to think for yourself.

Seginustemple posted...
Vlado posted...
I recommend this amazing podcast to people who wish to know more about a nation with an amazing, 1500+-year history.


Lmao let me know when that shithole is relevant enough for me to need to know its leader's name

Bulgaria is a way better place to live than most of the US, especially the metropolitan areas.

TheRock1525 posted...
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/2/9/1740165/-Tea-Party-Leader-and-Trump-Campaign-Chairman-Pleads-Guilty-to-Prostituting-Kids-plus-Other-Crimes

*shrug*

Lock him up then. I won't argue for criminals just because they happen to have campaigned locally for Trump.

But the article is beyond pathetic.
Someday our long national nightmare will be over. Someday. Until then, expect more self-righteous, flag-waving Nolans to proudly hoist and carry the banner of ignorant conservatism.

lol, because all the hollywood pedos and molesters are conservatives.
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Maniac64
02/10/18 9:30:44 AM
#449:


That wiki page literally has an official document at the top, others throughout and over 400 sources for you to choose from.
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Vlado
02/10/18 9:31:48 AM
#450:


The FISA memo is also an "official document," but somehow you're plugging your ears on that one. 400 fake news articles, you mean? Either post a concrete piece of evidence, or admit you have none.
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