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UnfairRepresent
01/18/18 4:42:58 PM
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For teens, using either marijuana or cigarettes is associated with higher odds of psychotic-like experiences, a new study published Wednesday in the journal JAMA Psychiatry found. Psychosis describes the mental condition of losing touch with reality, such as experiencing hallucinations or delusions.

'Individuals who use cannabis regularly have a 2- to 3-fold increased risk of a psychotic outcome,' University of Bristol researchers wrote in the study. Past research has calculated a statistical association between daily use of tobacco and an increased risk of psychosis.

For the new study, the research team looked at family data for 3,328 teens living in the Bristol area of the United Kingdom. The teens answered questions about their use of cigarettes and cannabis at six separate time points between the ages of 14 and 19. Since many people who smoke pot also smoke cigarettes, the researchers attempted to discover the separate health effects of each substance.
Analyzing the data, the researchers found a strong association between smoking cigarettes (only) at an early age and having a psychotic experience by age 18. These teens had a 4.3% higher probability of having a psychotic episode by age 18 as compared to teens who did not smoke. "Early" use or "late" use was not defined by an actual age.

The researchers also found that teens who only used cannabis at an early age experienced a 3.2% greater chance of having a psychotic experience as compared to non-users.

The most striking increased probability, though, occurred among teens who only used cannabis at a later age. They had 11.9% greater odds of psychotic experiences by age 18.

Next, the researchers looked at other factors in each teen's life -- alcohol use, bullying, social class and a family history of schizophrenia, among others -- to see if these might have swayed the results.
With these additional factors included in the analysis, the researchers found that the relationship between smoking cigarettes and psychotic-like symptoms weakened. However, the relationship between cannabis and psychosis remained strong.

The researchers also flipped their focus to see whether teens who had experienced psychosis during childhood showed increased cannabis or tobacco use. They found little evidence that early psychotic experiences led to increased use of either substance.

The study has a number of strengths according to Nehal Vadhan, assistant investigator at Zucker Hillside Hospital in Glen Oaks, New York. A psychologist, Vadhan was not involved in the research, though he recently published a different study of marijuana use and psychosis.

Strengths of the new study include a very large number of participants, "very rigorous" methods and measurements, a high proportion of female participants -- "which is not always common" -- and longitudinal measurement, where the researchers do not look at data from "a single slice in time but over a period of four or five years," said Vadhan.

It is a weakness that the study authors did not account for all types of people who may be predisposed to psychotic experiences. Such people are "fairly common in the healthy population -- the people who aren't diagnosed with anything and never will be," said Vadhan. "Developing a psychotic disorder or developing symptoms that are just under the threshold for a psychotic disorder -- that's much more rare."

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UnfairRepresent
01/18/18 4:43:05 PM
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The researchers did include an important factor in their conclusion: the real-world behavior of marijuana users.

"Most cannabis users smoke cannabis in combination with tobacco," wrote the study authors. "Therefore, we cannot rule out whether the associations observed between the cannabis use class and psychotic experiences are exacerbated by the combined use of cannabis and cigarettes."


Full Article: http://edition.cnn.com/2018/01/17/health/cannabis-cigarettes-teens-psychosis-study/index.html
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I'm a big supporter of the legalization of all drugs and even I've never understood the desire that so many pot smokers have of trying to deny it's effects on mental health, even when body after body of research represents links.

It's like the drug equivalent of man made climate change denial.
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Vulgorn
01/18/18 4:43:49 PM
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for teens


yeah im a grown ass adult this probably doesnt apply to me
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01/18/18 4:44:31 PM
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EyeWontBeFooled
01/18/18 4:45:30 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...


The researchers did include an important factor in their conclusion: the real-world behavior of marijuana users.

"Most cannabis users smoke cannabis in combination with tobacco," wrote the study authors. "Therefore, we cannot rule out whether the associations observed between the cannabis use class and psychotic experiences are exacerbated by the combined use of cannabis and cigarettes."


Full Article: http://edition.cnn.com/2018/01/17/health/cannabis-cigarettes-teens-psychosis-study/index.html
iiMBGE8

I'm a big supporter of the legalization of all drugs and even I've never understood the desire that so many pot smokers have of trying to deny it's effects on mental health, even when body after body of research represents links.

It's like the drug equivalent of man made climate change denial.


You will never convince some people.

Like I've had weed plenty of times now. That stuff WILL make you paranoid if taken alone at night.

I once had quite a few edible caramels, and I had a full blown panic attack.
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LightHawKnight
01/18/18 4:49:45 PM
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So isn't it already established that weed is bad for you until your brain is fully developed? Which is around 25 years old.
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Giant_Aspirin
01/18/18 4:50:22 PM
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reasonable and informed marijuana users understand that chronic use in adolescence is bad
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UnfairRepresent
01/18/18 4:51:50 PM
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LightHawKnight posted...
So isn't it already established that weed is bad for you until your brain is fully developed? Which is around 25 years old.

It's bad for your brain no matter your age dude.

Pot is not good for you.
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LightHawKnight
01/18/18 4:52:30 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
LightHawKnight posted...
So isn't it already established that weed is bad for you until your brain is fully developed? Which is around 25 years old.

It's bad for your brain no matter your age dude.

Pot is not good for you.


And so are cigarettes, alcohol, and whatever you want to inhale. Why aren't those illegal?
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01/18/18 4:56:28 PM
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armandro
01/18/18 4:57:24 PM
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oh yeah for sure

I'm pretty sure my brain is messed up now

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Master_Bass
01/18/18 4:58:25 PM
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This doesn't surprise me for teens. Alcohol can do bad things to a developing mind too.
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UnfairRepresent
01/18/18 5:00:39 PM
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LightHawKnight posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
LightHawKnight posted...
So isn't it already established that weed is bad for you until your brain is fully developed? Which is around 25 years old.

It's bad for your brain no matter your age dude.

Pot is not good for you.


And so are cigarettes, alcohol, and whatever you want to inhale. Why aren't those illegal?

Because there's too much money in it.
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TheGrindery
01/18/18 5:03:57 PM
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Only Ayahuasca should be legal.
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WrkHrdPlayHrdr
01/18/18 5:20:04 PM
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I thought there was a study a few months ago that said if you're under 21 don't smoke pot. It fucks up your brain, specifically the areas still developing.
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01/20/18 4:32:38 AM
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Vertania
01/20/18 4:41:22 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
It's bad for your brain no matter your age dude.

That's not what this study is saying.

Where weed is legal recreationally, the age is set to 21. The study is irrelevant to legalisation.
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01/20/18 4:42:08 AM
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not surprising since drugs make you spiritually weak and susceptible to some bad stuff, im not counting sick people because their intentions are for help not pleasure.
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iClockwork
01/20/18 4:43:21 AM
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Vertania posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
It's bad for your brain no matter your age dude.

That's not what this study is saying.

Where weed is legal recreationally, the age is set to 21. The study is irrelevant to legalisation.

Here come the first of the weed fanatics
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Vertania
01/20/18 4:47:18 AM
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iClockwork posted...
Here come the first of the weed fanatics

You say that like it's a bad thing.
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legendarylemur
01/20/18 4:53:44 AM
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It's fine if you guys smoke weed. I don't think anybody's speaking out against the act, just that it's downright ignorant to say they don't have negative effects on the body both immediately and much down the line.

It's also more of the fact that sometimes I feel avid weed supporters tend to treat weed as if it's some magical healthier alternative to drinking or smoking. Nobody who's super into drinking or smoking would ever claim such a thing against other forms of hedonism. We all know it's super bad for us and do it out of a need to just feel better with substance. Defending weed whenever potential harm comes to light comes from an obvious bias and a willful ignorance from the euphoric memory of having smoked weed
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iClockwork
01/20/18 5:10:09 AM
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Vertania posted...
iClockwork posted...
Here come the first of the weed fanatics

You say that like it's a bad thing.

It is by definition.
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01/20/18 5:21:06 AM
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Howl
01/20/18 5:24:29 AM
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If beer and alcohol are legal, weed should be legal. Alcohol is obviously worse for you and causes way more problems.
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UnfairRepresent
01/20/18 5:26:15 AM
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Howl posted...
If beer and alcohol are legal, weed should be legal. Alcohol is obviously worse for you and causes way more problems.

I agree although this is a poor way to phrase the argument as it sounds more like an argument for banning alcohol
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iClockwork
01/20/18 5:28:41 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
I agree although this is a poor way to phrase the argument as it sounds more like an argument for banning alcohol

Why would that be a bad thing? The less drugs the better.
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Ricemills
01/20/18 5:32:06 AM
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sugar is more addictive and damaging than weed, tobacco, and alcohol.
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UnfairRepresent
01/20/18 5:32:38 AM
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iClockwork posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
I agree although this is a poor way to phrase the argument as it sounds more like an argument for banning alcohol

Why would that be a bad thing? The less drugs the better.

Making drugs illegal doesn't mean everyone stops taking drugs and becomes doctors.

We saw that when they DID ban alcohol and it lead to mass crime waves, violence and murder.

Right now all the drugs being illegal just means there is enormous money involved in running drugs, it's the core of several gangs and the root cause of so much violence and abuse in America.

If it was legal and taxed, (first off we'd save billions by not having a war on drug) the nation would actually bag tax money for safer cleaner drugs, and the violent illegal drug rings would be crippled inside of a year.

People not doing drugs is good, but making all drugs illegal is not the way to stop people from taking drugs. Basic knowledge and education is
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Howl
01/20/18 5:35:40 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
iClockwork posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
I agree although this is a poor way to phrase the argument as it sounds more like an argument for banning alcohol

Why would that be a bad thing? The less drugs the better.

Making drugs illegal doesn't mean everyone stops taking drugs and becomes doctors.

We saw that when they DID ban alcohol and it lead to mass crime waves, violence and murder.

Right now all the drugs being illegal just means there is enormous money involved in running drugs, it's the core of several gangs and the root cause of so much violence and abuse in America.

If it was legal and taxed, (first off we'd save billions by not having a war on drug) the nation would actually bag tax money for safer cleaner drugs, and the violent illegal drug rings would be crippled inside of a year.

People not doing drugs is good, but making all drugs illegal is not the way to stop people from taking drugs. Basic knowledge and education is


I agree completely with all of this.
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iClockwork
01/20/18 5:36:45 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Making drugs illegal doesn't mean everyone stops taking drugs and becomes doctors.

Never said it did but it would reduce access.

UnfairRepresent posted...
We saw that when they DID ban alcohol and it lead to mass crime waves, violence and murder.

Our police are more capable to combat these crimes than they were in the 20's.

UnfairRepresent posted...
Right now all the drugs being illegal just means there is enormous money involved in running drugs, it's the core of several gangs and the root cause of so much violence and abuse in America.


Crack down harder.

UnfairRepresent posted...
If it was legal and taxed, (first off we'd save billions by not having a war on drug) the nation would actually bag tax money for safer cleaner drugs, and the violent illegal drug rings would be crippled inside of a year.

Public safety in regards to the consumption of drugs is worth the extra money to combat it.

UnfairRepresent posted...
People not doing drugs is good, but making all drugs illegal is not the way to stop people from taking drugs. Basic knowledge and education is

So make it illegal and still educate them about it.
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UnfairRepresent
01/20/18 5:42:21 AM
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iClockwork posted...

Our police are more capable to combat these crimes than they were in the 20's.

How can you say this when we have been pouring billions into the war on drugs since Regan and have utterly failed to accomplish a single thing.

A single positive thing I should add. We've caused a great deal of harm.

Why do you think it would be different this time when it actively is NOT difference for currently illegal drugs?

iClockwork posted...

Crack down harder.

Doesn't make a difference. Prisons are already nearly full, drug runners are arrested weekly.

You can take down an entire drug ring and the profit margin is so high a new one will take it's place within a month.

You can't "stop" drug running with an iron fist. All you do is hurt people and waste money and time.

It's trying to fix driving off a cliff by hitting your car with a hammer. It doesn't work, you need to reverse.

iClockwork posted...

Public safety in regards to the consumption of drugs is worth the extra money to combat it.

The war on drugs has made the public considerably less safe, this is the worst argument you could have made.

iClockwork posted...

So make it illegal and still educate them about it.


People are trying but the fact drugs are illegal and the nonsensical war on drugs makes the problem and suffering so vast that it's a near impossible goal.

Like saying set the town on fire and then teach people how to fish. No one is going to bother because the town behind them is on fire.
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thelovefist
01/20/18 5:44:11 AM
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It is interesting what is happening here in Canada. Recreational marijuana will be legal for all adults on July 1. With that legislation comes very harsh penalties for anyone giving it or selling it to a minor.
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iClockwork
01/20/18 5:54:41 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
How can you say this when we have been pouring billions into the war on drugs since Regan and have utterly failed to accomplish a single thing.

Because we aren't really fighting a war on drugs. We arrest low level dealers because it's easy and inflates arrest numbers so they look good. I'm talking about buckling down and doing the dirty work required to put a stop to drug trafficking by any means necessary. Quit allowing rec pot shops to slide. One opens up, it needs to be shut down the next day.

UnfairRepresent posted...
Doesn't make a difference. Prisons are already nearly full, drug runners are arrested weekly.

Build more, arrest more, less leniency.

UnfairRepresent posted...
The war on drugs has made the public considerably less safe, this is the worst argument you could have made.

People who consume drugs make others less safe.
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01/20/18 5:57:17 AM
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thelovefist
01/20/18 6:10:56 AM
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iClockwork posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
How can you say this when we have been pouring billions into the war on drugs since Regan and have utterly failed to accomplish a single thing.

Because we aren't really fighting a war on drugs. We arrest low level dealers because it's easy and inflates arrest numbers so they look good. I'm talking about buckling down and doing the dirty work required to put a stop to drug trafficking by any means necessary. Quit allowing rec pot shops to slide. One opens up, it needs to be shut down the next day.

UnfairRepresent posted...
Doesn't make a difference. Prisons are already nearly full, drug runners are arrested weekly.

Build more, arrest more, less leniency.

UnfairRepresent posted...
The war on drugs has made the public considerably less safe, this is the worst argument you could have made.

People who consume drugs make others less safe.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/interactive/2012/jul/02/drug-use-map-world

Follow Japans model. HARSH sentences and some of the lowest rates of drug use in the world.

Joke opinion
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iClockwork
01/20/18 6:11:57 AM
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thelovefist posted...
Joke opinion

Statistics don't have the luxury of being wrong.
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thelovefist
01/20/18 8:17:29 AM
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iClockwork posted...
thelovefist posted...
Joke opinion

Statistics don't have the luxury of being wrong.

Your 'statistics' are fallacious and a joke
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_Goggalor_
01/20/18 8:25:15 AM
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You could make possession of drugs punishable by death and you wouldn't make a dent. Lmao at "just crack down on it! Make it illegal!"

People. Don't. Care.

The law will not stop people from getting what they want. Also willing to bet Japanese people are just less likely to report using drugs rather than are not doing them because of supposed harsh laws.
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iClockwork
01/20/18 11:50:06 AM
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thelovefist posted...
iClockwork posted...
thelovefist posted...
Joke opinion

Statistics don't have the luxury of being wrong.

Your 'statistics' are fallacious and a joke

They are common knowledge and readily available for those who look.

_Goggalor_ posted...
Also willing to bet Japanese people are just less likely to report using drugs rather than are not doing them because of supposed harsh laws.

*Puts on tinfoil hat
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Annihilated
01/20/18 11:55:08 AM
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_Goggalor_ posted...
You could make possession of drugs punishable by death and you wouldn't make a dent. Lmao at "just crack down on it! Make it illegal!"

People. Don't. Care.

The law will not stop people from getting what they want. Also willing to bet Japanese people are just less likely to report using drugs rather than are not doing them because of supposed harsh laws.


It doesn't stop criminals from getting what they want. It stops many people from getting it and making themselves a danger to others.
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CanuckCowboy
01/20/18 11:56:47 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
It is a weakness that the study authors did not account for all types of people who may be predisposed to psychotic experiences

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CanuckCowboy
01/20/18 11:58:00 AM
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iClockwork posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
How can you say this when we have been pouring billions into the war on drugs since Regan and have utterly failed to accomplish a single thing.

Because we aren't really fighting a war on drugs. We arrest low level dealers because it's easy and inflates arrest numbers so they look good. I'm talking about buckling down and doing the dirty work required to put a stop to drug trafficking by any means necessary. Quit allowing rec pot shops to slide. One opens up, it needs to be shut down the next day.

UnfairRepresent posted...
Doesn't make a difference. Prisons are already nearly full, drug runners are arrested weekly.

Build more, arrest more, less leniency.

UnfairRepresent posted...
The war on drugs has made the public considerably less safe, this is the worst argument you could have made.

People who consume drugs make others less safe.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/interactive/2012/jul/02/drug-use-map-world

Follow Japans model. HARSH sentences and some of the lowest rates of drug use in the world.


Imagine living in 2018 and thinking this is anything but moronic
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UnfairRepresent
01/20/18 11:59:09 AM
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CanuckCowboy posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
It is a weakness that the study authors did not account for all types of people who may be predisposed to psychotic experiences

Yes?

Weed still exasperates the risk dude.
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the_rowan
01/20/18 12:06:26 PM
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WrkHrdPlayHrdr posted...
I thought there was a study a few months ago that said if you're under 21 don't smoke pot. It fucks up your brain, specifically the areas still developing.


Your brain never stops developing, though. I mean, it was thought for the longest time that it does, but in the last decade there have been plenty of studies that show that even in old age you're still making new neurons.
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Bishop9800
01/20/18 12:08:30 PM
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armandro posted...
oh yeah for sure

I'm pretty sure my brain is messed up now

oh well


This
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the_rowan
01/20/18 12:21:23 PM
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I'm confused by the math involved here, too. They're saying that if you start using cannabis at a young age, your chance of a psychotic experience by 18 is 3.2% higher than non-users, and that if you start at a later age, the chance of a psychotic experience by 18 is 11.9% higher.

Now, last I checked, "threefold" means "200% higher". So either these are additive increases (you're going from a 6% chance to an 18% chance, hence "11.9% higher") or the claim makes no sense at all. But they don't actually state what the "base" chance or control group's chance of having a psychotic experience is. One article I found said 17.6 per 10000 or 0.176%, but that might have been referring specifically to the first psychotic episode of someone with schizophrenia. Either way, I can't see that it would be possible for almost 20% of people who smoke pot before 18 to have psychotic episodes and it not be seen as a bigger crisis...
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lilORANG
01/20/18 12:32:52 PM
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Not surprising. I know plenty of dudes who started smoking daily in high school and they've completely smoked their brains out and are useless now.
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CanuckCowboy
01/20/18 12:34:55 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
CanuckCowboy posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
It is a weakness that the study authors did not account for all types of people who may be predisposed to psychotic experiences

Yes?

Weed still exasperates the risk dude.


For people with pre existing conditions.

Im not denying it by any means. This isn't even remotely new. It's well established already. But that's a glaring issue
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UnfairRepresent
01/20/18 12:36:40 PM
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CanuckCowboy posted...

For people with pre existing conditions.

This is a stupid point.

Nobody knows whether or not they are more at risk of developing psychosis until they already have.

Weed is still dangerous.

and that's before you touch on the fact that even if you're not at more risk of developing psychosis, weed is STILL bad for you.
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CanuckCowboy
01/20/18 12:38:01 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
CanuckCowboy posted...

For people with pre existing conditions.

This is a stupid point.

Nobody knows whether or not they are more at risk of developing psychosis until they already have.

Weed is still dangerous.

and that's before you touch on the fact that even if you're not at more risk of developing psychosis, weed is STILL bad for you.


If you say so.

It's pretty fucking relevant though. And who are you to say what's bad for me or anyone else?
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