Current Events > Democrats are putting DACA kids' lives at risk by making unreasonable demands

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INTERWEBUSER
01/15/18 5:33:48 PM
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Trump said very clearly that in order for any DACA deal to get his signature, "amnesty"/legal status must be restricted to the subset of illegal immigrants who were brought to the US as children.

Then guess what the Democrats did? They proposed to grant amnesty to DACA parents - the exact people who caused this problem - in the form of 3-year work permits. Why 3 years? I'm guessing they're confident Trump will not be reelected, and a Dem president/congress can grant them a "pathway to citizenship" in 2021. Which means more Democratic votes in the long run.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/11/democrats-daca-dreamers-immigration-mutiny-334454

Now that Trump has wisely rejected this proposal, it's now probable DACA may end without a deal.
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CarlGrimes
01/15/18 5:42:18 PM
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Good.
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A_Good_Boy
01/15/18 5:48:03 PM
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Who else is supposed to take care of the kids?
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UnfairRepresent
01/15/18 6:02:18 PM
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Obviously Obama's fault
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CarlGrimes
01/15/18 6:04:11 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
Who else is supposed to take care of the kids?

Either a legal relative, given up for adoption, or go back to live with their parents until they turn 18.
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ChromaticAngel
01/15/18 6:05:11 PM
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CarlGrimes posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Who else is supposed to take care of the kids?

Either a legal relative, given up for adoption, or go back to live with their parents until they turn 18.

How is that a fucking compromise?
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masticatingman
01/15/18 6:05:16 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
Who else is supposed to take care of the kids?


Arent most of the DACA kids in their 20s by now?
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dirtycommunist
01/15/18 6:05:43 PM
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It's called negotiation.

Aren't Democrat votes needed to pass a new spending bill?
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creativerealms
01/15/18 6:07:45 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
Who else is supposed to take care of the kids?


Everyone in DACA are eighteen and older if I'm not mistaken. Having a job or continuing their education is part of the requirement. They were brought here when they were kids but are not kids now.
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JE19426
01/15/18 6:08:15 PM
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CarlGrimes posted...
Either a legal relative,


Not always possible.

given up for adoption,


You'd really rather have the US spend money on raising kids then have the parents stay and work in the US?

or go back to live with their parents until they turn 18.


Whats the point in letting them stay in the US if you won't actually let them stay in the US?
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INTERWEBUSER
01/15/18 6:10:38 PM
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dirtycommunist posted...
It's called negotiation.

Aren't Democrat votes needed to pass a new spending bill?

Democratic negotiation: Give me 100% of what I want, none of what you want!

A_Good_Boy posted...
Who else is supposed to take care of the kids?

Everyone who qualified for Obama's original DACA program would be 18+ by now, vast majority are over 21, oldest in their 30s.
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CarlGrimes
01/15/18 6:10:44 PM
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JE19426 posted...
Whats the point in letting them stay in the US if you won't actually let them stay in the US?

Because if they have no legal relatives and are not adopted why would we let an unaccompanied minor stay? They need to be with their parents/guardians.
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creativerealms
01/15/18 6:13:02 PM
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Trump was never going to deal with the democrats. He was never going to let DACA stay. And of course he would find away to blame Dems for it.

#DMAG
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JE19426
01/15/18 6:13:31 PM
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CarlGrimes posted...
Because if they have no legal relatives and are not adopted why would we let an unaccompanied minor stay? They need to be with their parents/guardians.


That's a nice dodge buddy.
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CarlGrimes
01/15/18 6:19:13 PM
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JE19426 posted...
CarlGrimes posted...
Because if they have no legal relatives and are not adopted why would we let an unaccompanied minor stay? They need to be with their parents/guardians.


That's a nice dodge buddy.

They can come back at 18 when they are legal adults.
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JE19426
01/15/18 6:20:17 PM
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CarlGrimes posted...

They can come back at 18 when they are legal adults.


Unless they turn 18 within 2 years, that's pointless.
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billcom6
01/15/18 6:20:18 PM
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Trump wrote the book on making deals!!!!
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creativerealms
01/15/18 6:22:13 PM
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billcom6 posted...
Trump wrote the book on making deals!!!!

I thought a ghost wrote it.
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CarlGrimes
01/15/18 6:22:35 PM
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JE19426 posted...
Unless they turn 18 within 2 years, that's pointless.

Oh well.
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BLAKUboy
01/15/18 6:23:33 PM
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INTERWEBUSER posted...
Republican negotiation: Give me 100% of what I want, none of what you want!

FTFY
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SageHarpuia
01/15/18 6:24:10 PM
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Who's unwilling to compromise again?
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Axiom
01/15/18 6:25:17 PM
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That's a funny way to say Trump is using children's lives as bargaining chips to coerce people into doing what he wants
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SageHarpuia
01/15/18 6:25:26 PM
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BLAKUboy posted...
INTERWEBUSER posted...
Democrat negotiation: Give me 100% of what I want, none of what you want so I can bitch about you being unfair!

FTFY

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Webmaster4531
01/15/18 6:26:04 PM
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INTERWEBUSER posted...
Democratic negotiation: Give me 100% of what I want, none of what you want!

Thought Republicans said Trump wanted to help DACA recipients.
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BlackHorse6969
01/15/18 6:26:53 PM
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Lol at people acting like being deported is the end of the world. Becoming a US citizen is just like applying to college. You didn't make it in? Find another country to live in. There are many lesser but great countries to live in around the world. If they really want to survive, they can do it anywhere.

now get out! *kicks spartan style*
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UnholyMudcrab
01/15/18 6:29:09 PM
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Looks like someone must have gotten an alt suspended and had to dredge up an old account.
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SageHarpuia
01/15/18 6:32:00 PM
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You guys are acting like the people being deported are going to shitholes or something. Oh wait...
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BlackHorse6969
01/15/18 6:33:44 PM
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SageHarpuia posted...
You guys are acting like the people being deported are going to shitholes or something. Oh wait...

Exactly. These daca kids should go to Haiti since they're making it out to be a great country with tons to offer
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creativerealms
01/15/18 6:33:58 PM
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The DACA kids are not kids.

DACA was for people between the age of 15 though 31 and by now they would all be over eighteen. We have to get that straight. They were brought here when they were kids but all the people in the program are adults.
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BlackHorse6969
01/15/18 6:35:53 PM
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creativerealms posted...
The DACA kids are not kids.

DACA was for people between the age of 15 though 31 and by now they would all be over eighteen. We have to get that straight. They were brought here when they were kids but all the people in the program are adults.

Not kids in terms of age, but definitely kids in terms of intelligence
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A_Good_Boy
01/15/18 6:37:01 PM
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BlackHorse6969 posted...
creativerealms posted...
The DACA kids are not kids.

DACA was for people between the age of 15 though 31 and by now they would all be over eighteen. We have to get that straight. They were brought here when they were kids but all the people in the program are adults.

Not kids in terms of age, but definitely kids in terms of intelligence

You alright man? You've been trying to rile people up with your comments all day. Wanna talk about it?
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BlackHorse6969
01/15/18 6:38:18 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
BlackHorse6969 posted...
creativerealms posted...
The DACA kids are not kids.

DACA was for people between the age of 15 though 31 and by now they would all be over eighteen. We have to get that straight. They were brought here when they were kids but all the people in the program are adults.

Not kids in terms of age, but definitely kids in terms of intelligence

You alright man? You've been trying to rile people up with your comments all day. Wanna talk about it?


I'm just speaking facts in MLK's name for MLK day. Didn't mean to rile people up.
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creativerealms
01/15/18 6:40:28 PM
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BlackHorse6969 posted...
creativerealms posted...
The DACA kids are not kids.

DACA was for people between the age of 15 though 31 and by now they would all be over eighteen. We have to get that straight. They were brought here when they were kids but all the people in the program are adults.

Not kids in terms of age, but definitely kids in terms of intelligence

They are all people with at least a high school diploma who ether have a steady job or are continuing their education. They are not kids in intelligence ether. They are the type of immigrants we want in America.

#DMAG.

I just don't want ether side to twist the truth. Calling them kids is twisting the truth.
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BruceWayneJr
01/15/18 6:43:44 PM
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creativerealms posted...
Trump was never going to deal with the democrats. He was never going to let DACA stay. And of course he would find away to blame Dems for it.

#DMAG


This is the truth and everyone's playing along with the dog and pony show that results in nothing.

Donnie removed the damn thing and now these fucking scumbag republicans wanna pretend that he's negotiating to keep it. More disingenuous posturing from the regressive wing.
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L0Z
01/15/18 6:45:21 PM
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dirtycommunist posted...
It's called negotiation.

Aren't Democrat votes needed to pass a new spending bill?


Isnt that what politicians like to do tho? Hold government employee paychecks hostage until they get what they want?
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SageHarpuia
01/15/18 6:56:32 PM
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This is the truth and everyone's playing along with the dog and pony show that results in nothing.

Donnie removed the damn thing and now these fucking scumbag republicans wanna pretend that he's negotiating to keep it. More disingenuous posturing from the regressive wing.


He removed it, he had the ability to do that. If dems were more willing to compromise then he'd probably bring some provisions back, but your guys' policy is to sacrifice nothing and throw a hissy fit when you don't get exactly what you want. The people protected by the bill are adults now, if you want them to stay then their parents need to go.
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A_Good_Boy
01/15/18 6:59:43 PM
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SageHarpuia posted...
This is the truth and everyone's playing along with the dog and pony show that results in nothing.

Donnie removed the damn thing and now these fucking scumbag republicans wanna pretend that he's negotiating to keep it. More disingenuous posturing from the regressive wing.


He removed it, he had the ability to do that. If dems were more willing to compromise then he'd probably bring some provisions back, but your guys' policy is to sacrifice nothing and throw a hissy fit when you don't get exactly what you want. The people protected by the bill are adults now, if you want them to stay then their parents need to go.

You do know you're just agreeing with him, right?
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SageHarpuia
01/15/18 7:02:47 PM
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He's insinuating that Republicans are playing the dog and pony show. It's obviously the Democrats who are sending him bills they know won't pass.
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Zeus
01/15/18 8:01:56 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Obviously Obama's fault


It's literally Obama's fault. He created DACA.
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sktgamer_13dude
01/15/18 8:04:20 PM
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So its the Democrats fault that Republicans wont compromise on anything?

Republican logic I guess?
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Soviet_Poland
01/15/18 8:06:56 PM
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BlackHorse6969 posted...
Not kids in terms of age, but definitely kids in terms of intelligence


I'm failing to see how one could even make this assessment.
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Prestoff
01/15/18 8:09:58 PM
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Soviet_Poland posted...
BlackHorse6969 posted...
Not kids in terms of age, but definitely kids in terms of intelligence


I'm failing to see how one could even make this assessment.


He's just shit posting.
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Nomadic View
01/15/18 8:11:42 PM
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Both sides are holding the Dreamers hostage for political leverage. I think its pretty disgusting from both sides.
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SageHarpuia
01/15/18 8:12:36 PM
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sktgamer_13dude posted...
So its the Democrats fault that Republicans wont compromise on anything?

Republican logic I guess?

Not sure if being willfully ignorant or if you're just dense
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Nomadic View
01/15/18 8:14:03 PM
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sktgamer_13dude posted...
So its the Democrats fault that Republicans wont compromise on anything?

Republican logic I guess?


Neither side is compromising on the issue. You cant really blame it on one side or the other, at least not with any degree of justification.
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prince_leo
01/15/18 8:30:35 PM
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Nomadic View posted...
Both sides are holding the Dreamers hostage for political leverage. I think its pretty disgusting from both sides.

yep
politically, I don't see why the dems won't keep on holding out. large portion of dem voters support daca (afaik) and they have the power when it comes to gov't shutdown (this is why I imagine Trump is claiming that the dems are willing to hurt the military despite a shutdown not effecting them). add in the judge siding with them and they have little reason to give in unless their empathy kicks in
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r4X0r
01/15/18 8:31:45 PM
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The Republicans aren't compromising because they actually hold all the cards. During the Obama administration the Democrats' idea of "compromise" was "you're going to do what we want or we're going to call you all racists." Turnabout is fair play.
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kingdrake2
01/15/18 8:33:07 PM
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Nomadic View posted...
sktgamer_13dude posted...
So its the Democrats fault that Republicans wont compromise on anything?

Republican logic I guess?


Neither side is compromising on the issue. You cant really blame it on one side or the other, at least not with any degree of justification.

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