Current Events > so wait, is a text alert really the only defense Hawaii has from nukes?

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like, if someone decided to launch one that's it?

i guess i watch too many movies

No, the US has three anti-ballistic missile defense systems intended for ICBMs and the message that was sent out was through a local government system not even a military system.

The problem is that the guy sent the message out through the local alert system independent of any indications and warning from national level commands.
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It was real and was shot down, they are pretending its a mistake to quell panic
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Rika_Furude posted...

It was real and was shot down, they are pretending its a mistake to quell panic

This is my thought process too
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Rika_Furude posted...

It was real and was shot down, they are pretending its a mistake to quell panic

Bullshit. Real and shot down would be an excuse for war.

Rika_Furude posted...

It was real and was shot down, they are pretending its a mistake to quell panic

our moron president would not be able to stop himself from taking credit

AlternativeFAQS posted...

Rika_Furude posted...

It was real and was shot down, they are pretending its a mistake to quell panic

our moron president would not be able to stop himself from taking credit

Actually speaking of, has he tweeted about it yet?
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If it were real, way more nations would have had indications and you're assuming they would all keep this under wraps.

A nuclear missile launch would also be the easiest justification to attack North Korea that we've ever had - even China said they would not do anything if North Korea instigated conflict.

There's literally no reason for anyone to hide it.

Further posts from you on the subject deserve no serious responses.
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AlternativeFAQS posted...

Rika_Furude posted...

It was real and was shot down, they are pretending its a mistake to quell panic

our moron president would not be able to stop himself from taking credit

This. That said, I don't think it was a mistake. I know local systems do the "tests" all the time and say it's a test when they do. But I feel like this wasn't an accident, it was to see if the real alert worked. Obviously they can't admit it because of the widespread panic it caused.

AlternativeFAQS posted...

Rika_Furude posted...

It was real and was shot down, they are pretending its a mistake to quell panic

our moron president would not be able to stop himself from taking credit

Except maybe hes not a moron
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no hes a fucking moron
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I dont think a moron could become president

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Rika_Furude posted...

I dont think a moron could become president

You think wrong.

TheDarkCircle posted...

But I feel like this wasn't an accident, it was to see if the real alert worked. Obviously they can't admit it because of the widespread panic it caused.

Nah.
The state has several incidents like:
-Having a murderer walk out of a mental institution, catch a charter plane to another island, and then catch a flight to California before anyone realized he was missing (Randall Saito)
-The cover-up of an independent audit review of the new, soon to be implemented tax computer system
-UH once again requesting millions from the legislature due to athletics and the UH Cancer Center.
-Rail.

So at the moment, officials are trying to avoid more bad publicity and fuck ups.

XD

rika the australian trumpeter

Rika_Furude posted...

I dont think a moron could become president

Over half the population didn't even vote.
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metralo posted...

no hes a fucking moron

A moron makes himself into a billionaire and then president. This is what you actually believe.
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KazumaKiryu posted...

A moron makes himself into a billionaire and then president. This is what you actually believe.

Yep. I'm not sure why you feel the need to repeat it.

Not just Hawaii, there are basically no reliable systems against ICBM, period.

There are some in place, but they barely work in controlled environments let alone against an actual surprise launch, where they've never been tested.
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TheDarkCircle posted...

This. That said, I don't think it was a mistake. I know local systems do the "tests" all the time and say it's a test when they do. But I feel like this wasn't an accident, it was to see if the real alert worked. Obviously they can't admit it because of the widespread panic it caused.

That makes no sense at all. Real alerts and test alerts work the exact same way. The only difference is the message you type in it. To test the system they would send it the exact same way, only they would mention it's a test, instead of saying specifically that it wasn't a drill.
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Link HT posted...

Not just Hawaii, there are basically no reliable systems against ICBM, period.

There are some in place, but they barely work in controlled environments let alone against an actual surprise launch, where they've never been tested.

The reliability of individual systems is spotty at best but I am curious if the systems have ever been fully tested in conjunction with another.

At the very least there's more than just a text message system.
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Ryangrad posted...

TheDarkCircle posted...

This. That said, I don't think it was a mistake. I know local systems do the "tests" all the time and say it's a test when they do. But I feel like this wasn't an accident, it was to see if the real alert worked. Obviously they can't admit it because of the widespread panic it caused.

That makes no sense at all. Real alerts and test alerts work the exact same way. The only difference is the message you type in it. To test the system they would send it the exact same way, only they would mention it's a test, instead of saying specifically that it wasn't a drill.

they don't type in a message at all, they just have to confirm it. The worker confirmed the message. look it up

TheDarkCircle posted...

Ryangrad posted...

TheDarkCircle posted...

This. That said, I don't think it was a mistake. I know local systems do the "tests" all the time and say it's a test when they do. But I feel like this wasn't an accident, it was to see if the real alert worked. Obviously they can't admit it because of the widespread panic it caused.

That makes no sense at all. Real alerts and test alerts work the exact same way. The only difference is the message you type in it. To test the system they would send it the exact same way, only they would mention it's a test, instead of saying specifically that it wasn't a drill.

they don't type in a message at all, they just have to confirm it. The worker confirmed the message. look it up

There are other ways to test a system without... actually utilizing it, or sending the "not a drill" version of it.

Why does everything have to be a conspiracy? It's just a strangely designed system that let a guy send a mass message out far more easily than it should have been.
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Hexenherz posted...

Link HT posted...

Not just Hawaii, there are basically no reliable systems against ICBM, period.

There are some in place, but they barely work in controlled environments let alone against an actual surprise launch, where they've never been tested.

The reliability of individual systems is spotty at best but I am curious if the systems have ever been fully tested in conjunction with another.

At the very least there's more than just a text message system.

iirc they're somewhat reliable if they can hit the missile while it's still accelerating from launch. Once they're in space or descending at ridiculous speeds there's no way you're intercepting them.
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Link HT posted...

Hexenherz posted...

Link HT posted...

Not just Hawaii, there are basically no reliable systems against ICBM, period.

There are some in place, but they barely work in controlled environments let alone against an actual surprise launch, where they've never been tested.

The reliability of individual systems is spotty at best but I am curious if the systems have ever been fully tested in conjunction with another.

At the very least there's more than just a text message system.

iirc they're somewhat reliable if they can hit the missile while it's still accelerating from launch. Once they're in space or descending at ridiculous speeds there's no way you're intercepting them.

Well yeah because at that point it's not about the 20+ meter missile itself.

Hopefully we never have to find out, I guess.
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Hexenherz posted...

TheDarkCircle posted...

Ryangrad posted...

TheDarkCircle posted...

This. That said, I don't think it was a mistake. I know local systems do the "tests" all the time and say it's a test when they do. But I feel like this wasn't an accident, it was to see if the real alert worked. Obviously they can't admit it because of the widespread panic it caused.

That makes no sense at all. Real alerts and test alerts work the exact same way. The only difference is the message you type in it. To test the system they would send it the exact same way, only they would mention it's a test, instead of saying specifically that it wasn't a drill.

they don't type in a message at all, they just have to confirm it. The worker confirmed the message. look it up

There are other ways to test a system without... actually utilizing it, or sending the "not a drill" version of it.

Why does everything have to be a conspiracy? It's just a strangely designed system that let a guy send a mass message out far more easily than it should have been.

So why didn't they do that? Why didn't the person who confirmed the message clearly see what it said? Human error is a real thing, but it's not that big a stretch to think it was intentional.

Because they weren't trying to test the system?
You're the one suggesting it was anything more than human error when there's absolutely no reason to believe it wasn't.
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I don't think there was any malicious or hidden agenda behind this.

In reality what happens is systems get developed and function how they're supposed to function and no one ever says "hey maybe this function should be on that screen instead of this screen" because everything is working how it should, until something like this happens, and then someone says "what can we do to prevent that from happening again? Maybe we should move this function on to that screen?"

Shit's not perfect when people make it.
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No... an alert is an alert... Defense is different.
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Xelltrix posted...

No... an alert is an alert... Defense is different.

Meanwhile, in Alaska

http://www.newsweek.com/us-north-korea-nuclear-defend-alaska-705124
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TheDarkCircle posted...

they don't type in a message at all, they just have to confirm it. The worker confirmed the message. look it up

The point is that they work the same way. There would be no reason to send this message as a test, when they could use the test feature. Sending this as a test makes no sense.
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I believe it was a mistake. They just tested some alarm/horn system a few months ago that hasnt been used since the 60s or something like that. They were telling everyone over the news, social media, etc that it was just a test so people dont panic.
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Isn't it incredibly difficult to shoot down a missile? Why do I hear people talk as if it's easy? I read that there's only an open period of a few minutes to actually shoot down a missile before it becomes nearly impossible.
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I don't think people think it's easy. We have a pretty lame success rate on hitting them, it's just basically stating that we do have some form of defense. But it's a nuclear weapon, what exactly do you want the government to do about it besides provide shelters and try and shoot them down? lol
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Xelltrix posted...

I don't think people think it's easy. We have a pretty lame success rate on hitting them, it's just basically stating that we do have some form of defense. But it's a nuclear weapon, what exactly do you want the government to do about it besides provide shelters and try and shoot them down? lol

Nothing. I was remarking how I constantly hear people IRL go "Doesn't matter if NK or anyone else fires a missile at us. We'll just shoot it down."
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They're probably citing reports that showed success of systems in controlled test environments.

Also, I mean you gotta have some kind of faith in the systems :\ If not, you might as well not even have them in the first place and stay defenseless.
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Hexenherz posted...

They're probably citing reports that showed success of systems in controlled test environments.

Also, I mean you gotta have some kind of faith in the systems :\ If not, you might as well not even have them in the first place and stay defenseless.

Nah, they're just ignorant and watched too many movies.
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Muffinz0rz posted...

Rika_Furude posted...

It was real and was shot down, they are pretending its a mistake to quell panic

This is my thought process too

So Trump could have his greatest victory yet and won't take it?
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creativerealms posted...

Muffinz0rz posted...

Rika_Furude posted...

It was real and was shot down, they are pretending its a mistake to quell panic

This is my thought process too

So Trump could have his greatest victory yet and won't take it?

It could be along the lines of Kim wanting to bring Americans into a state of panic and terror and we're denying him that pleasure, kind of shrugging off his attacks like it's nothing. This could also be why Trump has stayed silent on the issue. It is an interesting theory.
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