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The23rdMagus posted...

Maybe we'll have some semblance of civility afterwards

Civility?

On my CE?!
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The23rdMagus posted...

I look forward to seeing the more toxic elements of the forums eat each other. Maybe we'll have some semblance of civility afterwards.

Your face is civilized.
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BLAKUboy posted...

The23rdMagus posted...

I look forward to seeing the more toxic elements of the forums eat each other. Maybe we'll have some semblance of civility afterwards.

Your face is civilized.

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BLAKUboy posted...

The23rdMagus posted...

I look forward to seeing the more toxic elements of the forums eat each other. Maybe we'll have some semblance of civility afterwards.

Your face is civilized.

your mom is civilized
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smoliske posted...

BLAKUboy posted...

The23rdMagus posted...

I look forward to seeing the more toxic elements of the forums eat each other. Maybe we'll have some semblance of civility afterwards.

Your face is civilized.

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Marked for the implication that a civilized face is an insult

EverDownward posted...

The23rdMagus posted...

Maybe we'll have some semblance of civility afterwards

Civility?

On my CE?!

More likely than you'd think.
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We can now mention the PS2 HD Loader without getting a warning message?
You are simplifying GameFaqs for the mindless masses.
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I really don't know what to make of this. I would have to see it in action because typically stuff has just been enforced so inconsistently. I've refrained from namecalling as 1) it's unnecessary (can win arguments without it) and 2) I assumed it was already banned - or at least, people would complain and mark all the time like it was anyway. And that's really why I suspect this announcement has been made.

Seems like a lot more work for the mods.

In a way, I can see it being easier for them. If the queue's already full of complaints about namecalling, it's easier for them to just take down everything rather than question and spend time thinking about whether it's serious enough to take down.

Maybe this was in an early announcement because it was one of the fastest things they could agree on. I'd feel sorry for them if this came first by order of importance...if namecalling is seen as one of the biggest issues on the site, it would suggest there's better things they could be doing with their time. When they say "we can't get to the serious stuff that's been up for hours, if not days, because we're just so busy" and the priority rule change is placed on namecalling, are they truly swamped?

Especially with the political climate lately, it's probably never been easier to feign genuine beliefs that are reprehensible while trying to play coy about what they're really supporting, baiting people to call them "racist" or something even more extreme, then just marking all that and laughing as those people get in trouble. And when you build up a history in a community of that, it's all the easier, because you can go extreme for a bit, establish a history, a reputation, and then need only lightly poke at that and hint to it from then on. Mods won't pick up on what they're doing but the troll's intended audience certainly will.

I'm surprised you're saying this but I think this is something we can agree on.

I guess the California-invented concept of "misgendering" is still not a violation.

Uh, what? Mods have specifically enforced that stuff.
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We will be less strict about the mere mention of things that might be considered illegal (emulation

how triggered is error right now?
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I like these changes.
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TaiIs82 posted...

I really don't know what to make of this. I would have to see it in action because typically stuff has just been enforced so inconsistently. I've refrained from namecalling as 1) it's unnecessary (can win arguments without it) and 2) I assumed it was already banned - or at least, people would complain and mark all the time like it was anyway. And that's really why I suspect this announcement has been made.

Seems like a lot more work for the mods.

In a way, I can see it being easier for them. If the queue's already full of complaints about namecalling, it's easier for them to just take down everything rather than question and spend time thinking about whether it's serious enough to take down.

Maybe this was in an early announcement because it was one of the fastest things they could agree on. I'd feel sorry for them if this came first by order of importance...if namecalling is seen as one of the biggest issues on the site, it would suggest there's better things they could be doing with their time. When they say "we can't get to the serious stuff that's been up for hours, if not days, because we're just so busy" and the priority rule change is placed on namecalling, are they truly swamped?

Especially with the political climate lately, it's probably never been easier to feign genuine beliefs that are reprehensible while trying to play coy about what they're really supporting, baiting people to call them "racist" or something even more extreme, then just marking all that and laughing as those people get in trouble. And when you build up a history in a community of that, it's all the easier, because you can go extreme for a bit, establish a history, a reputation, and then need only lightly poke at that and hint to it from then on. Mods won't pick up on what they're doing but the troll's intended audience certainly will.

I'm surprised you're saying this but I think this is something we can agree on.

I guess the California-invented concept of "misgendering" is still not a violation.

Uh, what? Mods have specifically enforced that stuff.

Tl;dr. How long did it take you to prepare all that?
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So now that messages don't get deleted. What happens if someone quotes a message that has already been notified? Will they also get notified?
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TaiIs82 posted...

I really don't know what to make of this. I would have to see it in action because typically stuff has just been enforced so inconsistently. I've refrained from namecalling as 1) it's unnecessary (can win arguments without it) and 2) I assumed it was already banned - or at least, people would complain and mark all the time like it was anyway. And that's really why I suspect this announcement has been made.

Seems like a lot more work for the mods.

In a way, I can see it being easier for them. If the queue's already full of complaints about namecalling, it's easier for them to just take down everything rather than question and spend time thinking about whether it's serious enough to take down.

Maybe this was in an early announcement because it was one of the fastest things they could agree on. I'd feel sorry for them if this came first by order of importance...if namecalling is seen as one of the biggest issues on the site, it would suggest there's better things they could be doing with their time. When they say "we can't get to the serious stuff that's been up for hours, if not days, because we're just so busy" and the priority rule change is placed on namecalling, are they truly swamped?

Especially with the political climate lately, it's probably never been easier to feign genuine beliefs that are reprehensible while trying to play coy about what they're really supporting, baiting people to call them "racist" or something even more extreme, then just marking all that and laughing as those people get in trouble. And when you build up a history in a community of that, it's all the easier, because you can go extreme for a bit, establish a history, a reputation, and then need only lightly poke at that and hint to it from then on. Mods won't pick up on what they're doing but the troll's intended audience certainly will.

I'm surprised you're saying this but I think this is something we can agree on.

I guess the California-invented concept of "misgendering" is still not a violation.

Uh, what? Mods have specifically enforced that stuff.

Tl;dr. How long did it take you to prepare all that?

You should see his blog
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samurai bandit posted...

So now that messages don't get deleted. What happens if someone quotes a message that has already been notified? Will they also get notified?

Depends. More minor violations (typically the ones listed under the board etiquette) won't be deleted if quoted UNLESS the user agrees with the violation. More severe violations (these will typically be the ToU rules) will be deleted, but karma is rarely taken for these situations because it was a quoted post and not necessarily the quoting user's fault.
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lmao

Tails82 is so unhinged.

*prepares to get modded for calling him unhinged*
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SBAllen posted...

gnome from nome posted...

What about new users who admit theyre previously banned? Is that still in effect?

Depends, it's a case by case basis depending on who they are and what they did to get banned. If you're a certain someone who has made over 10,000 accounts to troll the Switch board (yes, this is a real person), then yes. If you had one account banned over repeat minor offenses and decide to come back and reform, no.

Can a moderator please do a favour and explain why there is such a heavy pro-Nintendo bias among the moderation staff on this site?

There has been a double standard in which any comment remotely critical of Nintendo the company, a Nintendo game/product, or any subset of the Nintendo fanbase tends to get harshly moderated, while Nintendo fans are free to take shots at any other game developer/company.

GameFAQs has a reputation for being pro-Nintendo in the online gaming community (just Google "NintendoFAQs"). Perhaps the unusually high concentration of Nintendo fans on this site is a logical result/consequence of the administration's pro-Nintendo bias? Just like how governments perceived as being more friendly to [insert group or industry here] tends to get more of it?
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Flaming will no longer be defined by how "bad" the flame is. If you are name calling, you will be moderated for flaming if reported

I have been name called repeatedly for years without the offenders punished.
Hopefully this rule is actually enforced from now on.
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I would like to notify @Error1355 and @Alucard188 of a few paragraphs they must read:

The way that NWD will work is that for minor offenses where a user technically violated a rule but their post wasn't particularly heinous, we will allow the post to remain but notify the user that their post was against the rules so that they know in the future not to post something similar again. If we notify the user a few times and their behavior doesn't change, we'll ramp up the punishment to deletions, then Warnings, and so on.

For many lower level moderations, the moderation is used almost more as a teaching aid than as a means of removing the content from the site because it's egregious in nature. Usually the user was simply unaware of the rule. With NWD, we can still educate the user without punishing them.

Along with this change, we'll be changing the way that some of the rules are enforced. In most cases, this will result in a punishment that is less severe than it would've been before (unless it's something that would have merited a Warning before as Warnings and up haven't changed). A few rules will change more than others:


So no more instant warns from now on, mmkay guys. especially for posts you just disagree with and aren't actually against the rules
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iGenesis posted...

Can a moderator please do a favour and explain why there is such a heavy pro-Nintendo bias among the moderation staff on this site?

iGenesis posted...

Perhaps the unusually high concentration of Nintendo fans on this site i

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Also, @SBAllen
How will "names" such as "loli watcher" be handled when they are using it as a replacement for "pedophile"
Your moderation team in the past has not issued punishments for this type of flaming and harassment.
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This is still going?
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Rika_Furude posted...

I would like to notify Error1355 and Alucard188 of a few paragraphs they must read:

The way that NWD will work is that for minor offenses where a user technically violated a rule but their post wasn't particularly heinous, we will allow the post to remain but notify the user that their post was against the rules so that they know in the future not to post something similar again. If we notify the user a few times and their behavior doesn't change, we'll ramp up the punishment to deletions, then Warnings, and so on.

For many lower level moderations, the moderation is used almost more as a teaching aid than as a means of removing the content from the site because it's egregious in nature. Usually the user was simply unaware of the rule. With NWD, we can still educate the user without punishing them.

Along with this change, we'll be changing the way that some of the rules are enforced. In most cases, this will result in a punishment that is less severe than it would've been before (unless it's something that would have merited a Warning before as Warnings and up haven't changed). A few rules will change more than others:


So no more instant warns from now on, mmkay guys. especially for posts you just disagree with and aren't actually against the rules

Thanks, I needed a laugh. Instant Warn is silliest thing Ive ever heard of
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What about talking about weed for medical purposes if it's legal in the users state?
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Thrillwell posted...

What about talking about weed for medical purposes if it's legal in the users state?

basically no, they dont care about other states or countries laws, they use a modified version of american federal law but heavily modified
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Rika_Furude posted...

Thrillwell posted...

What about talking about weed for medical purposes if it's legal in the users state?

basically no, they dont care about other states or countries laws, they use a modified version of american federal law but heavily modified

rut ro raggy! sounds bad bro!
but we can post fuck shit ass bitch and even taint... even taint yo
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SBAllen posted...

KingCrabCake posted...

@Irony wtf is broken street dates anyway

If a game is officially release on January 31st but you get the game on the 28th for whatever reason (store sold it early, someone shipped it early). People posting early screenshots, story summaries, etc is the kind of stuff that gets us contacted by lawyers. Someone just saying "I got my copy early, yay!" won't, and would be NWD territory so we can warn them not to discuss the details.

I mean, I know stores can get in trouble for breaking the street date but as far as I know it's perfectly legal to own and play a game early. Glad to see the loosening on that particular infraction, ditto emulation.

Light flames going bye bye is a bit disappointing though.
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So from what I read in the OP, career trolls are going to get a hell of a lot more leeway to continue their antics.

My question is, when there is a blatantly known troll (and there's dozens of them), why can't they be automatically removed, especially when they piss off the entire board that they're trolling.
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iGenesis posted...

SBAllen posted...

gnome from nome posted...

What about new users who admit theyre previously banned? Is that still in effect?

Depends, it's a case by case basis depending on who they are and what they did to get banned. If you're a certain someone who has made over 10,000 accounts to troll the Switch board (yes, this is a real person), then yes. If you had one account banned over repeat minor offenses and decide to come back and reform, no.

Can a moderator please do a favour and explain why there is such a heavy pro-Nintendo bias among the moderation staff on this site?

There has been a double standard in which any comment remotely critical of Nintendo the company, a Nintendo game/product, or any subset of the Nintendo fanbase tends to get harshly moderated, while Nintendo fans are free to take shots at any other game developer/company.

GameFAQs has a reputation for being pro-Nintendo in the online gaming community (just Google "NintendoFAQs"). Perhaps the unusually high concentration of Nintendo fans on this site is a logical result/consequence of the administration's pro-Nintendo bias? Just like how governments perceived as being more friendly to [insert group or industry here] tends to get more of it?

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iGenesis posted...

There has been a double standard in which any comment remotely critical of Nintendo the company, a Nintendo game/product, or any subset of the Nintendo fanbase tends to get harshly moderated, while Nintendo fans are free to take shots at any other game developer/company.

Really? Let's see...

Ahem.

Nintendo as a company seems hellbent on never making a just sensical controller again. All their gimmicky controls lately are terrible and it comes across as just another way to nickel and dime the player having to buy an actual real controller. The Wii U Gamepad in particular is an uncomfortable atrocious controller with a ton of wasted space. Putting the joystick above the face buttons is also just purely inferior to the reverse in how it limits what you can do with the controller. These controllers do not enhance the way you play a normal game, which is still the strength of what Nintendo puts out. Amiibos are one of the worst concepts in the gaming industry. It's all the terribleness of microtransactions, with the added disadvantage of physical scarcity. At least with DLC, you can always get it, no problem. By making them physical products to get, it adds a whole new layer of bad to the whole thing. Nintendo really "innovated" there to make DLC worse and less consumer-friendly.

Breath of the Wild is an overall very good open world sandbox game, but:

- The fact it FORCES you to use motion controls for certain things is stupid when the best controller on offer doesn't have those built in

- The button layout in general is inept and inconsistent like they didn't know what they're doing (like what button skips cutscenes varies for no apparent reason depending what cutscene it is, the button to go faster on land is not the button to go faster while swimming, you can snap a photo with a shoulder button but you can't activate stasis or magnesis with one, making it impossible to be operating the right joystick to aim and pressing to activate at the same time, the camera and the scope are separate functions for literally no reason and just makes the controls more convoluted than they need to be, you have to hold the lock on button to stay locked on and you can't use the right joystick to cycle targets)

- Speaking of lock on, it's utter GARBAGE in BotW. Is it even evolved at all from how it was in OoT? Because advancements have been made in gaming. It doesn't even keep the camera on the enemy, which is kind of important for lock-on to do. When I'm locked on to an enemy, it's probably an enemy I want to focus on...without having to also operate the camera. Souls games are a perfect example of how to do lock on. You click the stick, it locks on. You're focused, the camera is focused, you don't need to fuss with the camera. Move the right joystick, to switch to targets relevant to the direction you moved it. In BotW, not only do you have to awkwardly hold the button, you can't cycle save for letting off then clicking it again where it will RANDOMLY lock on to a different enemy, and you still have to fully control the camera the whole time because it doesn't lock the camera on them. This is especially bad since they walled blocking and evasion moves behind holding down the lock-on button, and doubly so considering to perform a flurry attack by perfectly dodging, you have to dodge in a specific direction to counter the type of attack it is, but what direction you move the left stick to go in the proper direction can be disorienting when the camera isn't locked on to the enemy so the perspective is all out of whack.

It's unfortunate the game controls so bad since it really is a legitimately good, very long and substantial open world sandbox game...but that strength is also a weakness because it means any flaw in game design/controls it has, you will be stuck with the whooooole ride, and it slowly can erode on one's nerves.
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When are we ever going to get to the point of mods having to take responsibility for their actions? Put their name on shitty moderations so we know who to blame.
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Oh yeah and Link suffers from Assassin's Creed syndrome, also known as "NO! Stop climbing on that you idiot!" and then he gets hit by the attack you were trying to run away from.

And to be fair, I was playing BotW just a bit ago and only stopped to come here because it crashed on me in the middle of the finale (or closer to the end really) forcing me to have to go through it all again.

So yeah I've got grievances.

And there's also some physics-based puzzles that are terrible because the physics engine is very imprecise...which is fine, but when a puzzle requires you manipulate it in a way that is perfect and precise, and it requires using finite resources each try, and it's trial and error...that is a truckload of bad design dumped on you. A problem that could easily have been fixed in one of like 7 ways but they somehow thought nah it's okay.
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I'd like to know when the harassment rule will start to be enforced.
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Shut up squatch.
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nicklebro posted...

When are we ever going to get to the point of mods having to take responsibility for their actions? Put their name on shitty moderations so we know who to blame.

The fact that you want it for blame is exactly why its never going to happen.

MonsterZed posted...

nicklebro posted...

When are we ever going to get to the point of mods having to take responsibility for their actions? Put their name on shitty moderations so we know who to blame.

The fact that you want it for blame is exactly why its never going to happen.

why should be a reason it shouldn't happen? we should know who to report for shitty moderations
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Glad about the street dates one as I've been modded before because the mods refused to accent any regions release date apart from the NA one.
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Rika_Furude posted...

MonsterZed posted...

nicklebro posted...

When are we ever going to get to the point of mods having to take responsibility for their actions? Put their name on shitty moderations so we know who to blame.

The fact that you want it for blame is exactly why its never going to happen.

why should be a reason it shouldn't happen? we should know who to report for shitty moderations

Contest the Moderation.
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Rika_Furude posted...

MonsterZed posted...

nicklebro posted...

When are we ever going to get to the point of mods having to take responsibility for their actions? Put their name on shitty moderations so we know who to blame.

The fact that you want it for blame is exactly why its never going to happen.

why should be a reason it shouldn't happen? we should know who to report for shitty moderations

Theres absolutely zero reason to make that info public. Just look at yourselves. Thatll just open the way for mod harassment. As the other dude said contest the mod if theres an issue. Knowing a name does nothing.

MonsterZed posted...

nicklebro posted...

When are we ever going to get to the point of mods having to take responsibility for their actions? Put their name on shitty moderations so we know who to blame.

The fact that you want it for blame is exactly why its never going to happen.

This makes no sense, why I want it to happen is the reason it wont happen? So if i change my reason for wanting it, it will happen?

Lol you sound just like all of those "this is why Trump won" assclowns.Rika_Furude posted...

MonsterZed posted...

nicklebro posted...

When are we ever going to get to the point of mods having to take responsibility for their actions? Put their name on shitty moderations so we know who to blame.

The fact that you want it for blame is exactly why its never going to happen.

why should be a reason it shouldn't happen? we should know who to report for shitty moderations

Exactly. Plus you can start to see patterns that expose biased mods or highlight good quality mods.
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the_NGW posted...

Shut up squatch.

Here we go mods. Start enforcing the rules ...

Flaming will no longer be defined by how "bad" the flame is. If you are name calling, you will be moderated for flaming if reported

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Also you clamp down on flaming but still refuse in even acknowlege that Gamefaqs has a huge trolling problem? And will old accounts still not get banned no matter how many times they get suspended and will new accounts still get banned for almost anything?
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MonsterZed posted...

Rika_Furude posted...

MonsterZed posted...

nicklebro posted...

When are we ever going to get to the point of mods having to take responsibility for their actions? Put their name on shitty moderations so we know who to blame.

The fact that you want it for blame is exactly why its never going to happen.

why should be a reason it shouldn't happen? we should know who to report for shitty moderations

Theres absolutely zero reason to make that info public. Just look at yourselves. Thatll just open the way for mod harassment. As the other dude said contest the mod if theres an issue. Knowing a name does nothing.

You do realise that even unfair moderations hardly ever get overturned right?
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Honestly, with regards to knowing which mod modded a post, it makes perfect sense why it's kept secret. People would absolutely abuse the hell out of it.

However, there is a big drawback to this that there's kind of no way around, and that is that every mod becomes representative of all mods, and every experience with a moderation reflective on every individual mod.

By making the moderations anonymous, it basically makes the staff a single entity, because there's no way to know who is acting when and how much.

Like I said I think it's unavoidable and it's probably best to keep them anonymous, though I also think the mods as a whole should always conduct themselves such that they're aware of this disadvantage. >_>
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spikethedevil posted...

MonsterZed posted...

Rika_Furude posted...

MonsterZed posted...

nicklebro posted...

When are we ever going to get to the point of mods having to take responsibility for their actions? Put their name on shitty moderations so we know who to blame.

The fact that you want it for blame is exactly why its never going to happen.

why should be a reason it shouldn't happen? we should know who to report for shitty moderations

Theres absolutely zero reason to make that info public. Just look at yourselves. Thatll just open the way for mod harassment. As the other dude said contest the mod if theres an issue. Knowing a name does nothing.

You do realise that even unfair moderations hardly ever get overturned right?

Whats that have to do with making names public? Your answer is the contest system and if that fails then it was not unfair.

Tmk posted...

Honestly, with regards to knowing which mod modded a post, it makes perfect sense why it's kept secret. People would absolutely abuse the hell out of it.

I'd take that over mods abusing their powers.

And really it'd force mods to stop being so petty and start interpreting the rules in a much more rational manner. Plus wed figure out who the quality mods are. It's not like mods don't get harrassed here on the reg already.
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So you think that allunfair moderations get over turned? Really?
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MonsterZed posted...

Whats that have to do with making names public? Your answer is the contest system and if that fails then it was not unfair.

Lmao no. The TOU is inherently unfair itself, let alone the horrendously inconsistent job the mods do of enforcing it.
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spikethedevil posted...

So you think that allunfair moderations get over turned? Really?

Lmao right? Is this teachers pet just sucking up to the mods?
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The Allen wakes up in the middle of the night to a sound of intrusion downstairs

"don't worry babe, I'll check it out" He says to his wife

He grabs his recently sharpened ruby encrusted katana, puts on his slippers like Craig from Friday, and heads downstairs

upon reaching the landing, he turns and sees a light coming from his kitchen. as he approaches it he blinks for one second and it's gone. He checks it out anyway, ready for whatever may come. He sees nothing. He rubs his eyes with his Suede GameFAQs dress shirt that he wears to bed, and thinks "while I'm up I might as well drink some of the Lime kool-aid I made earlier". As he turns the light on, he see's his fridge magnets have been arranged in a way to spell out words that haunt him to this very day.

"Accept my friend request"
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NintendoGamer83 posted...

the_NGW posted...

Shut up squatch.

Here we go mods. Start enforcing the rules ...

Flaming will no longer be defined by how "bad" the flame is. If you are name calling, you will be moderated for flaming if reported

What flaming? Shut up isn't a flame or name calling (and has explicitly been stated to be a-ok in the past) and squatch is (well, was) your username. So...
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