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Popcorn_Fairy
01/12/18 8:25:16 PM
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Monika talks about how the tsundere character type is kind of dumb in end game.
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Spidey5
01/12/18 8:27:46 PM
#202:


Tmk posted...
I'll never understand people into little girl characters/tsunderes. It's incredibly generic and also pretty antagonistic of a character archetype.

It's like someone one day went, "What if I wrote a character who is an asshole transparently trying to use that to cover up how they really feel so they're dumb and pathetic too?" and then everyone else was like, "What if I wrote the exact same character and put it into everything Japanese forever?!?!?"

Because it's not a matter of looking at them as just archetypes. Yes, it will affect the first impression of the character and that can make me biased against them. But I won't write them off just from that. Looking at them as individual characters and seeing what they offer to the story rather than what a similar character has done before is the best way to go about it.

When it comes to anime, I've seen lots of SoL shows and I've come to have a bias against the glasses girl archetype. I usually associate them with being annoying, the least fun, the most pissy, and only serving as the character that keeps the energetic one in line (usually violently). But there have been plenty of example of characters of the glasses archetype that have proven my biases wrong and were some of the best characters in the show. Its a matter of if what the character offers outweighs the personal bias, and it happens sometimes.
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DocileOrangeCup
01/12/18 8:29:47 PM
#203:


Tmk posted...
Well I've seen a lot of them.

And it kinda stops being about validity after awhile. Like, "well it makes sense they're like that" doesn't really excuse a character being insufferable/dumb/antagonistic.

A game could be made featuring the disembodied spirit of Hitler, and he could spend the whole game floating alongside you ranting about the jews and that would make sense/be realistic for the character but it'd still be terrible.

lol

i mean

maybe you're right for a lot of them, but idk i dont watch anime
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DocileOrangeCup
01/12/18 8:31:04 PM
#204:


Popcorn_Fairy posted...
Monika talks about how the tsundere character type is kind of dumb in end game.

She says a lot of lies throughout.

Spidey5 posted...
Because it's not a matter of looking at them as just archetypes. Yes, it will affect the first impression of the character and that can make me biased against them. But I won't write them off just from that. Looking at them as individual characters and seeing what they offer to the story rather than what a similar character has done before is the best way to go about it.

When it comes to anime, I've seen lots of SoL shows and I've come to have a bias against the glasses girl archetype. I usually associate them with being annoying, the least fun, the most pissy, and only serving as the character that keeps the energetic one in line (usually violently). But there have been plenty of example of characters of the glasses archetype that have proven my biases wrong and were some of the best characters in the show. Its a matter of if what the character offers outweighs the personal bias, and it happens sometimes.

when you say glasses girl, do you mean like yuri, or rei?
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Spidey5
01/12/18 8:32:45 PM
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DocileOrangeCup posted...
Popcorn_Fairy posted...
Monika talks about how the tsundere character type is kind of dumb in end game.

She says a lot of lies throughout.

Spidey5 posted...
Because it's not a matter of looking at them as just archetypes. Yes, it will affect the first impression of the character and that can make me biased against them. But I won't write them off just from that. Looking at them as individual characters and seeing what they offer to the story rather than what a similar character has done before is the best way to go about it.

When it comes to anime, I've seen lots of SoL shows and I've come to have a bias against the glasses girl archetype. I usually associate them with being annoying, the least fun, the most pissy, and only serving as the character that keeps the energetic one in line (usually violently). But there have been plenty of example of characters of the glasses archetype that have proven my biases wrong and were some of the best characters in the show. Its a matter of if what the character offers outweighs the personal bias, and it happens sometimes.

when you say glasses girl, do you mean like yuri, or rei?

http://statici.behindthevoiceactors.com/behindthevoiceactors/_img/chars/miyako-uehara-pani-poni-dash-85.7.jpg
Exactly what it sounds like.
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Funkydog
01/12/18 8:33:22 PM
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DocileOrangeCup posted...
you wanna go

Lets go

DocileOrangeCup posted...
I have only seen 2 tsundere characters (Asuka and Natsuki) and both of them had valid reasons for acting that way, plus they both make me feel sympathetic for them.

Not denying she has her reasons, but going into it before any of the stuff happened, she just came off as your typical annoying character and not sure she really changed that much by the end.
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AeroFlash15
01/12/18 8:34:28 PM
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It was more than being a "tsundere." She had a straightforward, to-the-point philosophy that resonated with me. It made her come off as childish, and I'm all for delving into the intricacies of deep and open ended thought, but I also connected with that opposing outlook since I'm not one who likes being long winded.

The archetype I hate, but she's one of the few I tolerated. Plus, I like her brashness. Good reminder that not everyone is gonna be all hugs and kisses to you in real life. It'd be boring otherwise. I like some spice. It's not like she beats the shit out you like I see tsunderes do to protagonists in a lot of anime either. The way she's presented is far more grounded.
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DocileOrangeCup
01/12/18 8:35:37 PM
#208:


Funkydog posted...
Lets go

*dukes up*

Funkydog posted...
Not denying she has her reasons, but going into it before any of the stuff happened, she just came off as your typical annoying character and not sure she really changed that much by the end.

imo she only was like that until the end of the first day, after that she calms down a bit and even tries to help out yuri and tells you she thinks shits going on

Spidey5 posted...
Exactly what it sounds like.

I'm not really familiar with that type of character, what is it?
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Tmk
01/12/18 8:35:53 PM
#209:


Spidey5 posted...
Because it's not a matter of looking at them as just archetypes. Yes, it will affect the first impression of the character and that can make me biased against them. But I won't write them off just from that. Looking at them as individual characters and seeing what they offer to the story rather than what a similar character has done before is the best way to go about it.

I don't look at it as an archetype and dislike it because of that. I dislike tsunderes because they're bratty, antagonistic, dumb, immature obvious liars.

Like, just full stop, that is incredibly off-putting. The fact it's a popular archetype just means that my patience for it has just about evaporated by this point.

So I don't really care what backstory led to them being tsundere. Maybe on the inside they're "cute" or something, or troubled. But on the outside they're stupid and annoying.
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Funkydog
01/12/18 8:36:39 PM
#210:


AeroFlash15 posted...
It was more than being a "tsundere." She had a straightforward, to-the-point philosophy that resonated with me.

That bit about her and her poems wasn't so bad. I just find the whole "It's not as if I LIKE YOU OR ANYTHING" trope incredibly irritating myself.

DocileOrangeCup posted...
imo she only was like that until the end of the first day, after that she calms down a bit and even tries to help out yuri and tells you she thinks shits going on

Yeah, she did improve. I guess I was just biased after the initial encounter >.>
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DocileOrangeCup
01/12/18 8:38:17 PM
#211:


Funkydog posted...
That bit about her and her poems wasn't so bad. I just find the whole "It's not as if I LIKE YOU OR ANYTHING" trope incredibly irritating myself.

im pretty sure for the first day they made that specifically over the top, they even joke about it.

AeroFlash15 posted...
It was more than being a "tsundere." She had a straightforward, to-the-point philosophy that resonated with me. It made her come off as childish, and I'm all for delving into the intricacies of deep and open ended thought, but I also connected with that opposing outlook since I'm not one who likes being long winded.

The archetype I hate, but she's one of the few I tolerated. Plus, I like her brashness. Good reminder that not everyone is gonna be all hugs and kisses to you in real life. It'd be boring otherwise. I like some spice. It's not like she beats the shit out you like I see tsunderes do to protagonists in a lot of anime either.

yeah i agree.

she's the only one that doesn't go crazy about you
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Funkydog
01/12/18 8:39:40 PM
#212:


DocileOrangeCup posted...
yeah i agree.

she's the only one that doesn't go crazy about you

I mean, wasn't that Monika fucking around? Who knows how anything would've been without her involvement.
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Banjo2553
01/12/18 8:40:55 PM
#213:


Funkydog posted...
AeroFlash15 posted...
It was more than being a "tsundere." She had a straightforward, to-the-point philosophy that resonated with me.

That bit about her and her poems wasn't so bad. I just find the whole "It's not as if I LIKE YOU OR ANYTHING" trope incredibly irritating myself.

DocileOrangeCup posted...
imo she only was like that until the end of the first day, after that she calms down a bit and even tries to help out yuri and tells you she thinks shits going on

Yeah, she did improve. I guess I was just biased after the initial encounter >.>

I hear you there. I like Natsuki but I really do not care for that part of her. I guess it was supposed to make fun of that trope judging by the type of game this is, but still.
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Popcorn_Fairy
01/12/18 8:41:01 PM
#214:


DocileOrangeCup posted...
She says a lot of lies throughout.


Monika would never lie.
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Funkydog
01/12/18 8:41:45 PM
#215:


Popcorn_Fairy posted...
DocileOrangeCup posted...
She says a lot of lies throughout.


Monika would never lie.

She'll always be there for us.
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DocileOrangeCup
01/12/18 8:43:33 PM
#216:


Funkydog posted...
DocileOrangeCup posted...
yeah i agree.

she's the only one that doesn't go crazy about you

I mean, wasn't that Monika fucking around? Who knows how anything would've been without her involvement.

yeah i guess but it still doesn't change the fact that she didn't do that.

Popcorn_Fairy posted...
DocileOrangeCup posted...
She says a lot of lies throughout.


Monika would never lie.

the whole game she's lying to you lol
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Spidey5
01/12/18 8:44:28 PM
#217:


DocileOrangeCup posted...
I'm not really familiar with that type of character, what is it?

It's pretty much how I described it in my last post. The "Glasses girl" type. The smart one that the others go to for help, but is usually irritable, not entertaining on her own, and is usually the one that lashes out and keeps the extremely energetic, noisy character on a leash. The character i posted does all of those things. That archetype doesn't always do all of those things in every show they appear in, but they usually have at least half of those traits. And they are usually the worst character in the cast. But not always. Some of them break out of that trope and are actually great.
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Tmk
01/12/18 8:47:03 PM
#218:


Monika actually isn't really lying to you. She doesn't explain everything until the end, but she's actually surprisingly honest. She's just not overt about it. Think back to her first writing tip of the day, about not being stuck on trying to make one part perfect because you'll make no progress. That's basically advising you to not try to do whatever you can to keep Sayori alive, because you won't progress as it's not possible.

Her poems are expressing what she feels like becoming alive, and she even says it's influenced by an epiphany she had recently, which is true. She doesn't tell you what that is, but it's not a lie. She shares as much as she's comfortable with.

She also is more honest to you about the other characters than they themselves are.
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DocileOrangeCup
01/12/18 8:49:20 PM
#219:


Tmk posted...
She also is more honest to you about the other characters than they themselves are.

either way i still think she's fucked up for doing what she does.

Spidey5 posted...
It's pretty much how I described it in my last post. The "Glasses girl" type. The smart one that the others go to for help, but is usually irritable, not entertaining on her own, and is usually the one that lashes out and keeps the extremely energetic, noisy character on a leash. The character i posted does all of those things. That archetype doesn't always do all of those things in every show they appear in, but they usually have at least half of those traits. And they are usually the worst character in the cast. But not always. Some of them break out of that trope and are actually great.

so monika basically
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Popcorn_Fairy
01/12/18 8:51:01 PM
#220:


DocileOrangeCup posted...
the whole game she's lying to you lol


Not really no. She's really honest the whole time.
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Tmk
01/12/18 8:52:03 PM
#221:


DocileOrangeCup posted...
so monika basically

...What? No.

DocileOrangeCup posted...
either way i still think she's fucked up for doing what she does.

Why? Because she killed a couple of virtual characters? You've probably killed 5000x more than her in games.

She handled her epiphany surprisingly well considering the gravity of it.
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Back_Stabbath
01/12/18 8:53:16 PM
#222:


was this the rare event poem you got?
ClZDYN9
fuck....
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DocileOrangeCup
01/12/18 8:55:38 PM
#223:


Tmk posted...
...What? No.

i actually misread a part of that, but she is the president and keeps the other character on a leash, and she isn't really entertaining on her own

Tmk posted...


She handled her epiphany surprisingly well considering the gravity of it.

well if you look at the game by itself, she killed people she hung out with in her real life. that's fucked up no matter what, and was pretty selfish. why not just do it instantly instead of making them suffer?
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DocileOrangeCup
01/12/18 8:56:03 PM
#224:


Back_Stabbath posted...
was this the rare event poem you got?
ClZDYN9
fuck....

it was that face but a second yuri jumps up from the right side
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AeroFlash15
01/12/18 8:56:51 PM
#225:


Tmk posted...
She also is more honest to you about the other characters than they themselves are.

I dunno, Yuri seemed pretty honest during Act 2, although I'm aware Monika admitted to amplifier her traits.
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Spidey5
01/12/18 8:56:55 PM
#226:


DocileOrangeCup posted...
i actually misread a part of that, but she is the president and keeps the other character on a leash, and she isn't really entertaining on her own

Haha, well the key part of fitting that trope is wearing glasses so I would not describe Monika as one lol.
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DocileOrangeCup
01/12/18 8:58:17 PM
#227:


Spidey5 posted...
Haha, well the key part of fitting that trope is wearing glasses so I would not describe Monika as one lol.

oh

well okay lol

so monika is like....psycho mantis then?!
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AeroFlash15
01/12/18 8:59:02 PM
#228:


Definitely psycho mantis
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Popcorn_Fairy
01/12/18 9:00:20 PM
#229:


DocileOrangeCup posted...
why not just do it instantly instead of making them suffer?


Because she didn't want them gone. She just wanted protag to hang with her instead of the rest. Deleting them all was her last resort.
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DocileOrangeCup
01/12/18 9:07:33 PM
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Popcorn_Fairy posted...
DocileOrangeCup posted...
why not just do it instantly instead of making them suffer?


Because she didn't want them gone. She just wanted protag to hang with her instead of the rest. Deleting them all was her last resort.

She still had it in her to do all that. I can't look past that, man.

AeroFlash15 posted...
Definitely psycho mantis

So you like to play super smash Brothers
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OnlyMonika
01/12/18 9:34:44 PM
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DocileOrangeCup
01/12/18 9:35:49 PM
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OnlyMonika
01/12/18 9:38:22 PM
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DocileOrangeCup
01/14/18 8:33:37 PM
#234:


akinator guessed natsuki in 12 questions dammit
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Spidey5
01/14/18 8:34:15 PM
#235:


That genie knows whats up
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DocileOrangeCup
01/14/18 8:37:30 PM
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Popcorn_Fairy
01/14/18 8:40:36 PM
#237:


He got Monika in 10.

But the Monika picture is Yuri for some reason.
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DocileOrangeCup
01/14/18 8:40:57 PM
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Popcorn_Fairy
01/14/18 8:45:21 PM
#239:


Does Amy have a photo?
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DocileOrangeCup
01/14/18 8:48:57 PM
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Popcorn_Fairy
01/14/18 8:50:40 PM
#241:


Darn. I was wondering if someone made a fan portrait like they did with Protag.
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DocileOrangeCup
01/14/18 8:54:01 PM
#242:


i mean, im sure someone did but it's not on there

weird how monika has been yuri for months now lol.

also do you have a link to that pic?

also also how the fuck is it gonna guess Natsuki's dad in like 20 guesses but completely fail on guessing Rusev from WWE
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Popcorn_Fairy
01/14/18 9:05:42 PM
#243:


DocileOrangeCup posted...
also do you have a link to that pic?


Of Yuri? Or Protag?
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DocileOrangeCup
01/14/18 9:06:05 PM
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Popcorn_Fairy
01/14/18 9:09:11 PM
#245:


This, or variants of it is what I usually see. I've also seen the little tiny version before, but I don't have it on hand.

Bymwpqn
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Spidey5
01/14/18 9:09:36 PM
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Popcorn_Fairy
01/14/18 9:10:06 PM
#247:


Spidey5 posted...
Wait who was Amy again?


Amy likes Spiders. A poem by Natsuki.
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DocileOrangeCup
01/14/18 9:11:32 PM
#248:


Popcorn_Fairy posted...
This, or variants of it is what I usually see. I've also seen the little tiny version before, but I don't have it on hand.

Bymwpqn

oh wow that's cool.

i thought he'd be fat for some reason

Spidey5 posted...
Wait who was Amy again?

wow i cant believe you
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NihilistTurian
01/15/18 5:46:53 PM
#249:


I remember using Akinator recently for the first time in years, and within like 4 or 5 questions he just straight up asks "is your character from Doki Doki Literature Club?"

I just sat there for a few seconds wanting to yell "you cheeky bastard"
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DocileOrangeCup
01/15/18 5:59:02 PM
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