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Girugamesh
03/05/18 1:16:31 PM
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Get this lame nerdy wrestling shit out of my cool anime podcast

This, but unironically.
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ninkendo
03/05/18 1:33:31 PM
#307:


people who deny wrestling but like the others are just joking themselves
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LapisLazuli
03/05/18 1:39:38 PM
#308:


I like older wrestling but it's been a shit show for a long time now.
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Lightning Strikes
03/05/18 1:43:08 PM
#309:


I really like the idea of wrestling. There are some individual moments I can look at and say "yeah that's good stuff" but so much of it is absolutely terrible, especially now.
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voltch
03/05/18 1:45:10 PM
#310:


US or Japanese wrestling?
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iiicon
03/05/18 1:45:41 PM
#311:


there is more wrestling than WWE

like, you know how we're at a point with games how there's on average 2-3 good games released a week. or how Netflix alone produces more worthwhile content than any one person can enjoy, before taking into consideration all the other networks and streaming services.

wrestling has reached that point too.
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Girugamesh
03/05/18 2:00:03 PM
#312:


True, but it's not like Dan is talking about the Golden Lovers reunion.
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ninkendo
03/05/18 2:01:30 PM
#313:


but he is talking about Braun Strowman and Elias which are absolutely the best parts about WWE right now
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Lightning Strikes
03/05/18 2:21:58 PM
#314:


iiicon posted...
there is more wrestling than WWE

like, you know how we're at a point with games how there's on average 2-3 good games released a week. or how Netflix alone produces more worthwhile content than any one person can enjoy, before taking into consideration all the other networks and streaming services.

wrestling has reached that point too.


As noted they are talking about WWE, should have clarified.

Although to your point about games, though that may be true in raw numbers a smaller proportion of games than ever now are actually good, because the market is being flooded with low quality product. This is mainly on Steam but it's also starting to impact at least Sony and Nintendo as well. There is less regulation than there's been in a long time and that's led to more bad games than ever. And that's not even getting into the reduction in the AAA space. If you're comparing wrestling to video games I dunno!
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iiicon
03/05/18 2:29:35 PM
#315:


Lightning Strikes posted...
As noted they are talking about WWE, should have clarified.

yeah but you guys aren't. "wrestling used to be fun but now it's not" is an argument that only makes sense in the context of discussing wwe. if you want to watch wrestling there's so much out there that would appeal to you. if you just want to say you used to like wwe but now you don't, say that.

Lightning Strikes posted...
Although to your point about games, though that may be true in raw numbers a smaller proportion of games than ever now are actually good, because the market is being flooded with low quality product.

who cares. why does this matter at all. this is like the most pedantic thing to worry about. are you worried about playing bad games? why are you playing bad games?
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Jakyl25
03/05/18 2:39:03 PM
#316:


Now is the best time to be playing video games
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ninkendo
03/05/18 2:39:28 PM
#317:


All caught up on the next 5 episodes

Who needs a Super Saiyan when we have Super Kulilin
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Lightning Strikes
03/05/18 2:50:10 PM
#318:


iiicon posted...
Lightning Strikes posted...
As noted they are talking about WWE, should have clarified.

yeah but you guys aren't. "wrestling used to be fun but now it's not" is an argument that only makes sense in the context of discussing wwe. if you want to watch wrestling there's so much out there that would appeal to you. if you just want to say you used to like wwe but now you don't, say that.

Lightning Strikes posted...
Although to your point about games, though that may be true in raw numbers a smaller proportion of games than ever now are actually good, because the market is being flooded with low quality product.

who cares. why does this matter at all. this is like the most pedantic thing to worry about. are you worried about playing bad games? why are you playing bad games?


More bad games and no regulation means that smaller good games get crowded out. It means fewer good games in the long run, because it's easier to make cheap, low quality games. They talk about this on Giant Bomb a lot.

The free market was a mistake.
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iiicon
03/05/18 3:08:33 PM
#319:


Lightning Strikes posted...
More bad games and no regulation means that smaller good games get crowded out. It means fewer good games in the long run, because it's easier to make cheap, low quality games. They talk about this on Giant Bomb a lot.

what they talk about is that the release slate on Steam makes their jobs, which is to play games for a living, more difficult, because trying to decipher what's a real game and what's an asset flip takes away one of their limited resources, time. this is an entirely different argument. they have not really talked about the different ways indie devs take to get noticed, what business deals they forge with other indie publishers to stand out, or the comparative advantages of an indie dev with a large profile making a brand new game vs. making a sequel to an already successful game. this is not something most people will encounter. if you see an interesting game, all you need to do is search the name on YouTube or Google and you'll find endless discussion and videos on whether it's worth your time.

I don't buy into the 'too many games' argument. It's not something that we've seen in other mediums. Do some good voices get crowded out? Absolutely. That's just creative life. Does creativity reach some state of entropy wherein people stop having good ideas and stop making art? No. We're approaching the second decade where music is essentially free, and yet there are even more people making music, and making money in music, than ever before, largely thanks to democratized tools and marketing techniques.
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ninkendo
03/05/18 3:17:04 PM
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Lightning Strikes
03/05/18 3:43:26 PM
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I think we're going to mostly have to just agree to disagree. I don't think that that kind of free marketplace is healthy for either the state of games or the people buying them. It's easy to say "don't play bad games" when the coverage for most games released is lacking or "2 or 3 good games a week" when many will never be discovered. And I think the industry will reflect this if it hasn't already.

Where I will straight up say you are wrong though is where you said they talk about their jobs and not the struggles of indie devs, they have done that plenty.
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ninkendo
03/05/18 4:05:25 PM
#322:


my memories have not betrayed me, Ultimate Battle 22 (27) still the 2nd worst dragon ball game
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iiicon
03/05/18 7:31:18 PM
#323:


Lightning Strikes posted...
It's easy to say "don't play bad games" when the coverage for most games released is lacking or "2 or 3 good games a week" when many will never be discovered.

How is it lacking? Let's look at the notable new releases from last week: Moss, Where the Water Tastes Like Wine, Part Time UFO, Gravel, and Into the Breach. Is the industry failing any of these games? I can easily find discussion, reviews, gameplay about all of them.

Lightning Strikes posted...
And I think the industry will reflect this if it hasn't already.

why hasn't this happened in other media?

Lightning Strikes posted...
Where I will straight up say you are wrong though is where you said they talk about their jobs and not the struggles of indie devs, they have done that plenty.

I mean, not really. Their conversations usually revolve around their job in some way. At most they'll talk about the need for curation on Valve's end, but not why, what form it would take, what effect that would have, and they don't question if it would even be effective. The most substantial discussions are during E3, and it's not really GB leading discussion on that end.
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LapisLazuli
03/05/18 8:18:44 PM
#324:


iiicon posted...

How is it lacking? Let's look at the notable new releases from last week: Moss, Where the Water Tastes Like Wine, Part Time UFO, Gravel, and Into the Breach. Is the industry failing any of these games? I can easily find discussion, reviews, gameplay about all of them.


As someone who follows gaming news, I have literally heard of only one of these games ever.
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DeepsPraw
03/05/18 10:19:09 PM
#325:


Twin Goddesses was really something special. Totally deserved higher on the list.
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WazzupGenius00
03/05/18 11:06:04 PM
#326:


LapisLazuli posted...
iiicon posted...

How is it lacking? Let's look at the notable new releases from last week: Moss, Where the Water Tastes Like Wine, Part Time UFO, Gravel, and Into the Breach. Is the industry failing any of these games? I can easily find discussion, reviews, gameplay about all of them.


As someone who follows gaming news, I have literally heard of only one of these games ever.

Where are you getting your game news, just IGN and Gamespot or something?
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LapisLazuli
03/05/18 11:48:41 PM
#327:


I follow most of the major Twitters and watch all the major events. If a game isn't being covered somewhere in there then it is indeed being left in the dust. You need a far reaching publication.

What are the sites where these games are being covered? Legit, other than Moss, if I hadn't looked into them after icon posted them I would have no reason to be 100% confident he hadn't made them up on the spot.

I THINK Into the Breach was a game brought up recently on the Beastcast?
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ninkendo
03/05/18 11:55:02 PM
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MoogleKupo141
03/06/18 12:06:22 AM
#329:


THINK Into the Breach was a game brought up recently on the Beastcast?


it has a quick look and Jan played it on UPF this week
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MoogleKupo141
03/06/18 12:07:45 AM
#330:


I would be surprised if Wherw The Water Tastes Like Wine doesn't get a Quick Look too. I think Austin is a voice in it.

I have no idea what Gravel is though
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Steiner
03/06/18 4:14:11 AM
#331:


LapisLazuli posted...
What are the sites where these games are being covered? Legit, other than Moss, if I hadn't looked into them after icon posted them I would have no reason to be 100% confident he hadn't made them up on the spot.

I THINK Into the Breach was a game brought up recently on the Beastcast?


into the breach was brought up on both podcasts, had a quick look and half of UPF devoted to it. what method do you use for your weed consumption because i dream of being half as faded as you
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_Harmonica_
03/06/18 12:11:13 PM
#332:


lol a murder island video just got skipped on GBTV despite winning the poll because enough people whined about it in the chat

god forbid people take a walk or just go to the site if they only want to see their favorite Ryan videos
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ninkendo
03/06/18 12:44:35 PM
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WazzupGenius00
03/06/18 4:32:45 PM
#334:


Where the Water Tastes Like Wine was even in a Sony E3 presentation
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DeepsPraw
03/06/18 6:12:59 PM
#335:


Twin Goddesses deserves top ten on the music alone.

How it didn't beat Tattoo Assassins is beyond me
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iiicon
03/06/18 6:32:17 PM
#336:


LapisLazuli posted...
What are the sites where these games are being covered? Legit, other than Moss, if I hadn't looked into them after icon posted them I would have no reason to be 100% confident he hadn't made them up on the spot.

like everywhere? Into the Breach has already sold more than 150k copies, is the best-reviewed game of the year, is regularly streamed by prominent strategy streamers/LPers. Moss has ~40 reviews catalogued on OpenCritic, it's on every major site. Where the Water Tastes like Wine is a tiny visual novel that will probably be profitable on a few thousand copies sold, and it has reviews on Polygon, USGamer, RockPaperShotgun, Eurogamer, etc. Part Time UFO is a mobile game made by HAL and it's being recommended by both major mobile sites and more console-favored sites. These games are finding their audience.

My super strict methodology for deciding what games to list was to look up the 'new games' section on Giant Bomb and list anything I remember being talked about on the Bombcast, Waypoint Radio, or in an article on RockPaperShotgun.
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Lightning Strikes
03/07/18 3:51:11 AM
#337:


While I think we're generally just looking at it from different perspectives, even regarding Giant Bomb's own coverage.

However regarding "why hasn't this happened in other media" the answer is because other media are different. The barrier to entry in terms of both money and time is much higher with games. With film, the most comparable medium, it is widely accepted that too much is bad for the business as well.
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Girugamesh
03/07/18 9:10:45 AM
#338:


Started my own XCOM Iron Man game and a bunch of the GB staff just got their nicknames, including Jeff 'Papa Bear' Gerstmann.

https://imgur.com/a/FSdAo

Fifth one is a default name since I'm going with Alex's rule of having to earn their names via promotion. He'll probably be Alex actually (Vinny already exists but is injured).
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WazzupGenius00
03/07/18 4:32:58 PM
#339:


Anyone else find it really funny Ben complained about Iconoclasts being preachy

Like, the game's called "Iconoclasts"
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DeepsPraw
03/07/18 4:34:38 PM
#340:


Can someone who watches the call-in show tell me what they said about Siivagunner?
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WazzupGenius00
03/07/18 4:37:03 PM
#341:


I'm listening to it right now, at the very beginning they made references to High Quality Rips, but didn't discuss it any further than that. I'm not even halfway through though so maybe a caller asks further about it or something
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DeepsPraw
03/08/18 7:11:22 PM
#342:


https://twitter.com/jasonschreier/status/971889936264818690

Donald Trump has watched Dan Ryckert play video games.

Dan's life is the most bizarre thing, I swear
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Jakyl25
03/08/18 7:33:11 PM
#343:


He absolutely will end up as President some day
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SgtSphynx
03/09/18 7:13:50 AM
#344:


Hey, this is an odd request, but does anyone have a really good picture of the crew all together including Rorie? It's for something dumb.
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SgtSphynx
03/09/18 8:09:24 AM
#345:


https://twitter.com/weirdbonk/status/971975248017948678

https://twitter.com/weirdbonk/status/971979020865748993
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ChaosTonyV4
03/09/18 11:39:31 AM
#346:


How?
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Jakyl25
03/09/18 11:49:39 AM
#347:


Made with egg whites Im sure
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ChaosTonyV4
03/10/18 5:43:36 PM
#348:


A friend of mine got a job at PCMag, and I just found out their office is literally one floor up in the same building as Giant Bomb East.

Thats so cool. He might see them every day.
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ninkendo
03/10/18 8:35:45 PM
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Epyo
03/11/18 9:52:40 PM
#350:


Hmm. I have a feeling dragonball kai just skipped like 25+ dbz episodes, judging by the things Dan keeps mentioning on twitter. Gonna take a long time to catch up!!
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GANON1025
03/11/18 10:35:24 PM
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Girugamesh
03/12/18 6:25:25 AM
#352:


Another long episode of Exquisite Corps this week.

Aw yeah.
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beavis666x2
03/12/18 11:46:03 AM
#353:


I've heard that the Ginyu Force rules.
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beavis666x2
03/14/18 12:05:11 PM
#354:


Could it be the run?
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Lightning Strikes
03/14/18 4:00:01 PM
#355:


I just want to say that Jeff and Dan's Vegeta impressions are AMAZING.
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