Board 8 > Ace Attorney Topic Part 2: The Continuation (Spoilers for AA1-6, AAI1-2)

(+) Yeah! (+)

anyway who's ready for a sneak preview of the initial leaderboard after one segment of the first case

Total lines by character:

1. Miles Edgeworth - 425
2. Dick Gumshoe - 130
3. Calisto Yew - 110
4. Franziska von Karma - 103
5. Tyrell Badd - 62
6. Manfred von Karma - 59
7. Other - 16
8. The Judge - 9
9. Mack Rell - 5
10. Kay Faraday - 3
11. Byrne Faraday - 2
12. Manny Coachen - 2

Total lines by segment:

E1-4 Beginning - 926

Total lines by case:

E1-4 - 926

Total lines by character per case:

Turnabout Reminiscence (E1-4)

1. Miles Edgeworth - 425 (45.90%)
2. Dick Gumshoe - 130 (14.04%)
3. Calisto Yew - 110 (11.88%)
4. Franziska von Karma - 103 (11.12%)
5. Tyrell Badd - 62 (6.70%)
6. Manfred von Karma - 59 (6.37%)
7. Other - 16
8. The Judge - 9
9. Mack Rell - 5
10. Kay Faraday - 3
11. Byrne Faraday - 2
12. Manny Coachen - 2

Testimonies by character:

1. Franziska von Karma - 10 lines/2 testimonies
2. Calisto Yew - 9 lines/2 testimonies
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oh man this is gonna be so good
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it's too bad you're doing it this way because E2-3 might kill you

...actually, how are you doing that? just within AAI2 I guess since that's where the future stuff lands?

it's really good that you don't have to do 5 or 6 up front because those would definitely ruin your flow
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I'm just going to do E2-3 as is and treat the flashback stuff as "Edgeworth is listening to Ray tell a story" since that's actually what's happening. Same with 4-4. Just treat the MASON System stuff as "You are watching a simulation" since that's actually what's happening.

If AAI2 and AJ had a scene select, it'd be easier to skip around, but alas.
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also I'm actually kinda glad to get E1-4 out of the way fairly early on but then I'll be sad to be done with 3-4 so soon
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is 1-1 next? I'm trying to calculate when Phoenix will pass Edgeworth. I assume early in 1-3.
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oh wait Phoenix is in 3-1

yeah, maybe still 1-3. dunno.
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It might not be until 1-4 since Edgeworth is the prosecutor in 3-4, 1-2, and 1-3, and E1-4 is longer than all of those cases. I guess we'll see how long he can hold onto that lead.
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I expect prosecutors to be way less than lawyers and even assistants. I bet Maya doubles Edgeworth in 1-3, for example.
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also, percentages might be interesting! maybe 2-2 Phoenix has the highest percentage of lines in any case

might be interesting to compare AAI vs. AA too
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Probably so since prosecutors generally don't show up during investigations.

But Edgeworth might have more lines in E1-4 Beginning than 1-1 has total, so he might just be able to hold him at bay by having just enough lines.

although I forgot Phoenix has no assistant in 1-2 so he's going to dominate that one

yeah maybe 1-3
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hey guys! I'm finally getting to AA6 now. just finished 6-2, figured I'd give some running thoughts.

6-1 was okay. I think the change of setting was pretty effective in switching things up and giving phoenix an excuse to be a newbie again. the facts of the case weren't very interesting, but the characters were pretty good - ahlbi was really endearing and the villain (whose excellent name I am not going to look up) was pretty good, though the constant musical interludes definitely became less amusing as time went on. the vague allusions to darker things going on in khura'in were kinda cool, though I did feel like it undercut things at the end to hear that the killer didn't actually steal the orb. they did a kinda similar thing in DD, as I recall, revealing that the 5-1 killer didn't bomb the courtroom after all. definitely goes to the overcomplexity of everything in recent AA games that you guys discussed before - I didn't like it then, and i didn't really like this either. but that's a minor point really! overall, kind of a middling intro case.

I actually liked 6-2 a lot! I scanned this topic to see what people said about it, and I definitely concur that the murder was a bit mad and not really perfectly explained. but overall, this falls into the 5-3 category for me - cases where there's a really good setting and cast, and a fairly ridiculous murder doesn't really detract much from the overall impact. Trucy is great as ever here, I really like the Apollo/Athena double act, and the case specific characters are cool too - Retinz/Reus is a quality villain, even if he felt like he went down one testimony too soon, and I enjoyed the Betty/Bonny dynamic once their twin identities were revealed. for a first non-tutorial case, I enjoyed this a lot (thinking about it, I think that most X-2 cases are actually kind of overrated).

vague AAI2-excluding off-the-top-of-my-head case rankings, for perspective:

pinnacle: 3-5, 2-4, 1-4
near perfect: 1-5, 3-4, 5-4/5, 3-3, 5-3, 3-2
great: 4-4, 1-3, E1-4, E1-5
good: 6-2, 4-1, 2-2, 5-2
decent: E1-3, 4-2, 3-1, 6-1, E1-1, E1-2
not great, bob: 2-3, 1-2, 5-1, 1-1, 2-1, 4-3
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pretty good list! keep on going - the good stuff with AA6 starts with 6-3.
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Don't scan this topic too much if you're still playing, especially since you've got two high quality cases coming up!
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Honestly I'm just gonna keep spoiler tagging the best AA6 stuff 'cause... yeah

Also you've got three high quality cases coming up

i agree on almost everything you said about 6-1 and 6-2!

also smart money is on 1-3 but whatever, i'll bet on 1-4
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huh

a religious figure gets murdered in an inaccessible mountain temple and maya is suspected, where have i seen this before

if larry shows up i'm gonna lose it
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Giggsalot posted...

if larry shows up i'm gonna lose it

who wants my datz
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i guess i won't be clicking on that!
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SeabassDebeste posted...

Giggsalot posted...

if larry shows up i'm gonna lose it

who wants my datz

the biggest surprise In SoJ was that datz was not Larry tbqh
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Also you all will be pleased to know i figured out how to play aai2 and i also obtained Layton vs Attorney but I'm gonna do my own series replay and insert those 2 games! Only catch is someone is borrowing aa4 from me and I prob won't have it back in time so I might skip it but no real loss. I assume it's best to play aai2 right after aai1? And when should I play Layton vs Attorney?
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I'll probably post random comments about whatever as I replay. Though I need to finish 3d picross round 2 first before I start
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Layton doesn't matter - aai2 after aai, yeah. enjoy!
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do layton after AAI2/AA5
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LeonhartFour posted...

Anyway, if we're counting any time the defendant makes any kind of statement, then just about every defendant gets on the stand. If we're talking actual testimonies, then it's...

1-4 (but only the DL-6 part, not the Robert Hammond murder)
1-5
3-1
3-2
3-4
4-1
4-2
4-3
4-4
5-1
5-2
5-4
6-1
6-2 (Best defendant testimony ever)
6-5

wow 100% success rate for AJ and 0% for JFA

Wait

I know this is super old but

Does engarde not testify?
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he does not.
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that's the only narrative choice there. having engarde testify would mean pointing out contradictions.
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Engarde takes the stand a couple times near the end, but never to testify.
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also looking at that list 3-4 is the only case where the defendant has the final testimony

they usually have the first testimony if they testify at all
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Lana Skye also has the final testimony of the case, doesn't she? (Since blah blah Gant plot contrivances) Clearly the defendant having the last testimony is one of the marks of a bad case!

On average I'm not a huge fan of the defendant testifying. Such testimonies are often kinda awkward because the prosecutor should be the one cross-examining them (the defendant is generally gonna want to make himself/herself look good, potentially even lying to do so, and the prosecutor should be shooting those lies down), but that's never what AA does (which is justified gameplaywise, mind). Sometimes it absolutely works, though, like in 6-2.

I similarly know why Engarde couldn't testify, but it's a damn shame he doesn't. I can't help but feel that 2-4 would be even better if Engarde had a bit more screentime during the trial itself.
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NeoElfboy posted...

Lana Skye also has the final testimony of the case, doesn't she? (Since blah blah Gant plot contrivances)

I know Gant interrupts her final testimony before you even get a chance to cross-examine her, but I don't think it's the final one of the case unless 1-5 just has a really long final stretch with no testimonies.

NeoElfboy posted...

Clearly the defendant having the last testimony is one of the marks of a bad case!

yikes
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LeonhartFour posted...

NeoElfboy posted...

Lana Skye also has the final testimony of the case, doesn't she? (Since blah blah Gant plot contrivances)

I know Gant interrupts her final testimony before you even get a chance to cross-examine her, but I don't think it's the final one of the case unless 1-5 just has a really long final stretch with no testimonies.

It does! Lana is the last to testify in 1-5. Gant has testimony BEFORE her but not after.

3-1, 4-1, 4-2, 6-1, and 6-5 part 2 are the only cases in which the defendant is first on the stand. It's not that many.

It's really bizarre that two of the first 4 games of the series have Phoenix Wright as the first character to testify

yeah Engarde lacks screen time. for all the hype he gets, he's really just a plot twist and a breakdown. great ones, mind you, but there's not much more to get than those two moments.
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I am still sad I kind of spoiled? 6-3 to Para
I think it was in his playthrough topic and I was sure he beat that case and I wrote the word suicude and he said it gave him a hint or something
Sorry again!
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I don't remember that

transience posted...

yeah Engarde lacks screen time. for all the hype he gets, he's really just a plot twist and a breakdown. great ones, mind you, but there's not much more to get than those two moments.

That's more than enough, really, because there's no one else like him in the series. The hair flip is still the biggest gut punch in the series if you were like me and you kept wanting to believe he was innocent to the bitter end.
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Yeah I agree that what we get absolutely justifies the hype. Still, I think it's a shame there wasn't more.
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I've had to get used to using the stylus with my left hand to make it easier to keep up with line inputs.
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Argh I wanted to finish off my AAI2 replay while I was housesitting but then it turns out my laptop can't run DS emulators fast enough

I was thinking of this the other day- I kind of remember when the trailer first came out for AA5, someone, from here I think, had this really interesting theory that Phoenix committed suicide shortly after he was disbarred and that in AA4, that is Maya channeling him- and that's why he doesn't take off the beanie. Because she doesn't have the hair quite right? And then in AA5 when "Phoenix" is "back", he has that weird little hair cleft or something which was to be representative of Maya's longer hair? This being an explanation for not only why Maya isn't around but why Phoenix never mentions Maya at all in AA4.

There was a lot more to it than that, and a lot more of the interesting specifics that could've fit with that line of thinking but I forget most of it- does anyone remember that theory and the specifics?
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that doesn't ring a bell at all
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Phoenix killing himself would be really crap

good thing they found a way to do this twist way better

yeah that would be pretty terrible and wouldn't fit tonally with the series at all

it goes dark at times but rarely does it stay there
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I think when Badd tells you that he waited on the first floor until Gumshoe got there and when he got to the hallway, Yew was already there, that's when I figured out who the killer was because they had to already be dead before Gumshoe got there for someone else to be the killer. I'm usually pretty bad at figuring these things out, but that one seemed kind of obvious to me.
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eventually I will finish E1-4
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but not today
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"Miles Edgeworth, prepare me some change." - Franziska, about the vending machine

not sure why but that line cracked me up

I'm finally on E1-4 End
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also I guess I've never left Defendant Lobby #1 at the beginning of End because I got so much dialogue I didn't recognize, including the above line
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