Board 8 > Ace Attorney Topic Part 2: The Continuation (Spoilers for AA1-6, AAI1-2)

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LeonhartFour posted...

Actually, yeah, there's a good chance Athena is higher than Mia just because DD and SoJ are so much bigger than the OT games, and many of Mia's appearances are brief.

Yep. Athena probably has the #1 most dialog in AA5 in particular (she's the only character with a major role in all six cases aside from the Judge, believe it or not), and that's a long game. AA6 she's not in nearly as much, but she still gets 6-4 as a player character, 6-2 as a partner, and a lot of dialog in 6-5 as well. That's still a big resume. She's definitely top 10.

transcience posted...

I'd be really shocked if Gumshoe beat Maya. I guess there's AAI to consider but..

I know it seems surprising but actually think about it

None of Gumshoe's appearances are particularly brief. He takes the witness stand SIGNIFICANTLY more frequently than any other character in the series, he's in every case in the original trilogy except 1-1 and 3-1, and he's in every case in both AAI and AAI2 as well, interjecting a *lot* of dialog. Every time you talk to him it's a fairly long conversation, since he's dumping a lot of case details on you, and you almost always see him more than once every time you do see him. He is everywhere in this series. Maya talks more than Gumshoe in the cases she's in, but she's actually in FAR fewer of them, for the reasons I said (so many of the cases in which Maya is important, it's because she's gone).

I would almost consider Gumshoe above Apollo but lol 6-5

transcience posted...

well, Leon, you've got your quest

let's see how dedicated you are

I might drive myself insane but sure

I guess I can keep track of how many lines of dialogue each case has overall, too

I need to figure out some way to make keeping track easy I guess
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I don't disagree - but Maya in a case of hers is 2-3x a Gumshoe case. I bet she doubles him in the OT. Gumshoe's also off running errands a lot so Kay can get some screen time.
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The fastest way I can think of to keep track is to play in front of a keyboard and tap a letter for each line (doesn't have to correspond to the character, just use q for phoenix, w for edgeworth, e for maya, whatever), then do a count

there's an aa1 script that's complete here, I was using that to make this list once

then found out carvey gave up at 2-3. 2-3 claims another victim
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transcience posted...

I don't disagree - but Maya in a case of hers is 2-3x a Gumshoe case. I bet she doubles him in the OT. Gumshoe's also off running errands a lot so Kay can get some screen time.

Gumshoe's screentime is greatly reduced in AAI2 especially because of Kay.
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It's not quite complete. It doesn't have all of 1-5. I wonder how hard it would be to dump the text from the games. I've been meaning to look into it but I've been putting it off for years now.
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oh is it? nevermind then!
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Maya:

1-2 (defendant, court partner)
1-3 (partner)
1-4 (partner)
2-1 (court partner, briefly)
2-2 (defendant)
2-3 (partner)
2-4 (very brief)
3-2 (partner)
3-3 (partner)
3-5 (witness)
6-3 (defendant, court partner)
6-5 (witness)
6-6 (partner)

Gumshoe:

1-2 (detective, witness)
1-3 (detective)
1-4 (detective, witness)
1-5 (detective)
2-1 (witness)
2-2 (detective, witness)
2-3 (detective, witness)
2-4 (detective, witness)
3-2 (detective, witness)
3-3 (detective, witness)
3-4 (witness)
3-5 (detective)
4-4 (briefly a witness in 4-0)
E1-1 (partner)
E1-2 (partner for some of it)
E1-3 (he's around)
E1-4 (defendant/witness)
E1-5 (tags along for nearly all of it)
E2-1 (he's there but not for a lot of it)
E2-2 (tags along for nearly all of it)
E2-3 (pretty much always there in the future parts)
E2-4 (he's around)
E2-5 (around, although off doing his own thing for much of it)

I don't think this is clear cut - it may be that I'm overrating how much text he contributes to his appearances, especially the AAI games, but I also think you might be underrating it

he's pretty much bumming around in the entirety of AAI and those are long games

Kay does cut into a lot of what would be Gumshoe's screentime in AAI but most of the time they're BOTH there

Hilariously, Gumshoe NEARLY has twice as many appearances as Maya. Not quite! 23 to 13

Paratroopa1 posted...

Hilariously, Gumshoe NEARLY has twice as many appearances as Maya. Not quite! 23 to 13

and only because Maya got to catch up a little bit with AA6
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Yeah the funny thing is that if Maya is ahead of Gumshoe in total lines, it's only because of AA6, I think, since 6-3 and 6-6 are fairly significant for her

Only ten characters have 10+ appearances in the series:

1. Phoenix - 28
2. Judge - 28
3. Gumshoe - 23
4. Edgeworth - 20
5. Maya - 13
6. Apollo - 12
7. Trucy - 12
8. Ema - 12
9. Mia - 10
10. Athena - 10

And Franziska has 9, with Pearl and Kay at 8. I don't know that anyone else is in serious contention for top ten most lines beyond that other than maybe Blackquill just due to how big DD is.
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Question: do the two non-canon AA6 episodes count

because that adds a surprisingly non-trivial amount of Pearl dialog

Trucy has 12? To be honest, I can never remember if she shows up in 5-3 or 5-4 or not

LeonhartFour posted...

Only ten characters have 10+ appearances in the series:

1. Phoenix - 28
2. Judge - 28
3. Gumshoe - 23
4. Edgeworth - 20
5. Maya - 13
6. Apollo - 12
7. Trucy - 12
8. Ema - 12
9. Mia - 10
10. Athena - 10

And Franziska has 9, with Pearl and Kay at 8. I don't know that anyone else is in serious contention for top ten most lines beyond that other than maybe Blackquill just due to how big DD is.

I was going to say "don't forget Larry" but he's actually only got 7. Huh! It feels like more somehow.

Paratroopa1 posted...

Trucy has 12? To be honest, I can never remember if she shows up in 5-3 or 5-4 or not

Trucy is actually in every case Apollo is in except 5-4, but she makes up for it by being in 6-6 when he's not.
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Paratroopa1 posted...

Question: do the two non-canon AA6 episodes count

because that adds a surprisingly non-trivial amount of Pearl dialog

Nah, I wouldn't count the Asinine Attorney episodes except in the extremely unlikely event that we need a tiebreaker.
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LeonhartFour posted...

Paratroopa1 posted...

Trucy has 12? To be honest, I can never remember if she shows up in 5-3 or 5-4 or not

Trucy is actually in every case Apollo is in except 5-4, but she makes up for it by being in 6-6 when he's not.

Oh you know what, 5-6 was the one I was forgetting.

LeonhartFour posted...

Paratroopa1 posted...

Question: do the two non-canon AA6 episodes count

because that adds a surprisingly non-trivial amount of Pearl dialog

Nah, I wouldn't count the Asinine Attorney episodes except in the extremely unlikely event that we need a tiebreaker.

Part of me wants to count Asinine Attorney SOLELY because it means Klavier is technically in AA6

Blackquill does talk a lot in his six cases, to the point where I think he probably beats out Pearl, but I doubt he's top ten even so.

I'm kinda skeptical Ema is in the top ten despite all her cases because it feels like she talks way less than the norm for a detective, and her AAI cameos are relatively brief. Have to think Franziska and/or Kay, who are significantly more important in their screentime, push her out.
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NeoElfboy posted...

Blackquill does talk a lot in his six cases, to the point where I think he probably beats out Pearl, but I doubt he's top ten even so.

I'm kinda skeptical Ema is in the top ten despite all her cases because it feels like she talks way less than the norm for a detective, and her AAI cameos are relatively brief. Have to think Franziska and/or Kay, who are significantly more important in their screentime, push her out.

1-5

She's there a lot in 1-5 but it's still only one case! Most of her other appearances are surprisingly light on lines IIRC, though my memory of AJ is a bit rusty at this point. I do remember thinking she got significantly less than Gumshoe per case though.

EDIT: For instance, is there any Ema case aside from 1-5 where she has as many lines as Franziska has in any of 2-2, 2-3, 3-5, E1-2, E1-4, or E1-5? I kinda doubt it. Kay probably has a similar list.
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Haha, I might delve into them just for the heck of it since they're pretty short anyway.

regardless this would only be an estimate anyway because there's a decent chance I miss out on dialogue a bunch

actually I guess I need to save frequently and prepare myself to do a lot of soft resets and whatnot especially if I want to get all the wrong answer dialogue
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I would wager that Ema has more lines in 1-5 than Maya has in any single case

Well, the biggest thing that hurts Ema in AJ is that she only testifies a couple times the entire game. She testifies a crap ton in SoJ though.
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LeonhartFour posted...

Haha, I might delve into them just for the heck of it since they're pretty short anyway.

regardless this would only be an estimate anyway because there's a decent chance I miss out on dialogue a bunch

actually I guess I need to save frequently and prepare myself to do a lot of soft resets and whatnot especially if I want to get all the wrong answer dialogue

There's a lot of questions about what does and does not count depending on how thorough you want to be - for instance, flashback textboxes, or textboxes that do not have a name associated but you know who's speaking

LeonhartFour posted...

Well, the biggest thing that hurts Ema in AJ is that she only testifies a couple times the entire game. She testifies a crap ton in SoJ though.

Ema's in AJ a lot more than you might think or remember though. You basically can't get away from her in 4-3, she's damn well near an honorary investigation partner

Oh wait, Ema's not in 6-4, is she? I counted her as being in that one, so she's only at 11.
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LeonhartFour posted...

Oh wait, Ema's not in 6-4, is she? I counted her as being in that one, so she's only at 11.

Indeed she is not

Bizarrely, it is not the only case without a detective, considering 1-1, 3-1, 4-1, and 6-1 all lack a detective as well

I guess I'll have to count the random bailiff lines too

Wonder how many he has across all the games

Not sure I want to count all the random NPCs in AAI, now that I think about it
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that feeling when I'm not sure if I should correct myself and say that 5-1 also lacked a detective, or if I should pretend like I was counting Candace Arme all along

now that I'm playing E1-4 I'm unsure what to do about stuff you can "check" for extra dialogue, especially stuff you can check in multiple cases, like Edgeworth's badge

I guess I should just count the first instance of it

also I guess I'll combine all the random no-name NPCs in AAI into an "Others" category just so we get a full count

Fun Fact: Mack Rell has 5 lines, Byrne Faraday has 2
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also I'm not sure if I should count the text boxes that are just "!" or "..." or just some guttural sound like "ugh"

or if I should count it as three separate lines in the case of a "Wh-" "Wh-" "Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?" like I just encountered

so complicated
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nearly 300 lines of dialogue before I even get to the crime scene in E1-4

Edgeworth has nearly 45% of the lines so far and Manfred has more lines here than I remember too

this playthrough is going to take a while

I might break everything down by segment here too just for the heck of it
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LeonhartFour posted...

now that I'm playing E1-4 I'm unsure what to do about stuff you can "check" for extra dialogue, especially stuff you can check in multiple cases, like Edgeworth's badge

I guess I should just count the first instance of it

also I guess I'll combine all the random no-name NPCs in AAI into an "Others" category just so we get a full count

Fun Fact: Mack Rell has 5 lines, Byrne Faraday has 2

Manny Coachen also has a line if I recall correctly

None of these lines are even flashbacks which is the weirdest part

Also holy crap you are really doing this you madman

I am SUPER INTERESTED in seeing this, but I will totally understand if this becomes too much

Leon loves an Ace Attorney challenge.

I think I'm just a lot lower on detective dialogue than partner dialogue. Ema's 1-5 spot is legit but I'm not as impressed by her other performances which sometimes are more like cameos.
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I have Ema above Trucy because Trucy just doesn't have all that many appearances

She has only five cases where she plays a major role, and Ema shows up in literally all of them anyway

Shaky guess on 11-30 here. Didn't bother to order these, I'm just guessing who will crack the top 30

Mia Fey
Larry Butz
Winston Payne
Wendy Oldbag
Pearl Fey
Godot
Dahlia Hawthorne
Klavier Gavin
Shi-Long Lang
Calisto Yew
Justine Courtney
Sebastian Debeste
Gregory Edgeworth
Ray Shields
Simon Blackquill
Bobby Fulbright
Rayfa Padma Khura'in
Nahyuta Sahdmadhi
Dhurke Sahdmadhi
Datz Are'bal

I'm probably like, going to be wrong about some of these and some of the top 30 will be a random witness who only appears in one case but just talks a lot anyway (Adrian Andrews maybe since she's also in 3-2. I dunno whatever)

also depends on how you decide to separate Iris and Dahlia, have fun with that!

Paratroopa1 posted...

Also holy crap you are really doing this you madman

I am SUPER INTERESTED in seeing this, but I will totally understand if this becomes too much

Yeah, what can I say? Like I said, this will probably take a long time because I'm already feeling like I can probably only handle an hour at most at a time and that hour will cover less ground than usual.

Although I think the AAI games will be the most difficult because of all the extra NPCs and the fact that you can move around on the screen instead of just pointing and clicking a background.

Also Manny Coaches has two lines!
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Wait Leon you are going through the series..AGAIN?
Holy shit what a passion
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I don't post in this topic enough.

I still need to play AAI2. And Layton vs ace Attorney i guess
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WiggumFan267 posted...

I don't post in this topic enough.

I still need to play AAI2. And Layton vs ace Attorney i guess

Play them both but AAI2 is the more necessary experience
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I think I'll also do a running "leaderboard" for who has the most lines. Wonder how many cases it'll take Phoenix to overtake Edgeworth since he gets the first two cases and Phoenix is just the defendant for the third.
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Layton is optional, AAI2 is not
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how are you handling non-canon lines? failed evidence, repeated flashback lines, etc.

presumably internal monologue counts?
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