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Weezle 11/25/17 12:13:59 PM #1:	Do you believe there should be a greater effort on the part of the Popular Voters to nudge Hillary Clinton into running again in 2020? yes no maybe (clarify in comments) View Results Are you sick of Republicans? Or just right-wingers in general? Do you want to send a message to Washington that you aren't going to buy into their racist, sexist, xenophobic, homophobic and classist nonsense for one second longer? Then do the very thing that Donald Trump unintentionally encouraged in a recent tweet: Encourage Hillary Clinton to run for president in 2020! Crooked Hillary Clinton is the worst (and biggest) loser of all time. She just cant stop, which is so good for the Republican Party. Hillary, get on with your life and give it another try in three years! 5:31 AM - Nov 18, 2017 I'm sure this is the part where the Clinton-haters be they Trumpers, Bernie Bros or anything in between will say something to the effect of, "Of course he wants her to run again. That's the only way he'll get re-elected!" Slow your roll there. Clinton's poll numbers aren't too good right now (OK, they're downright atrocious), but there are still four great reasons to consider choosing her as the Democratic nominee in 2020. Even better, all but one of them has to do with an emotion that has no place in this season (which is why I absolutely had to write this article for Thanksgiving weekend): Spite. Delicious, nutritious spite. 1. Hillary Clinton is the Winston Churchill to Vladimir Putin's Adolf Hitler. I agree with the basic principle of Godwin's Law: The first person to invoke Hitler in a political debate should normally lose. The exception, of course, has to be when someone has genuine Hitler-like qualities. A foreign despot who has invaded neighboring countries and has a right-wing nationalist agenda is about as Nazi-like as you can get. This is where Clinton offers a quality that no politician in America can beat. While Republicans are trying to tar her with a bogus scandal connecting her to Russia (and anyone who believes Clinton did something wrong in the Uranium One deal lacks credibility on all matters political), the reality is that no candidate can be better described as Russia's nemesis than Clinton. Putin has always hated Clinton because of his innate sexism, which has manifested in his policies, and she certainly didn't endear herself to him by publicly criticizing Russian corruption in 2011. As the ample connections between the Trump campaign and Russia or its water-carriers like WikiLeaks clearly demonstrate, the one person we know we can trust more than anyone is the candidate who Putin very obviously did not want to see as America's president. 2. Hillary Clinton being elected president (at last) would monumentally piss off misogynistic trolls, and what's not to like about that? I can't think of a single political figure in recent American history who has been hated as deeply, or for as long, as Hillary Clinton. From the moment she emerged on the national stage in 1992 as a distinctly feminist prospective first lady, she has been the target of right-wing wrath woefully out of proportion to anything she has ever said or done. The reason for this is sexism. It's not the chic thing to say right now, but no other explanation really makes sense. Yes, Hillary Clinton is more centrist than either party likes these days, but why is she singled out for opprobrium here when her husband who actually served as president remains popular despite holding the exact same views? The same point can be made about the claim that she is corrupt or too establishment. To the extent that these accusations are valid, they are no more true of Clinton than of the vast majority of politicians from both parties (especially Trump). At the very least, the next Democratic presidential candidate needs to be a woman perhaps not Clinton specifically, but certainly a woman, to offset the symbolic gut-punch of the first female candidate getting cheated by an overt misogynist. And speaking of cheating ... --- sig <cite>Weezle posted [p:891030522] in The case f... [t:76029427]...</cite> <quote> Do you believe there should be a greater effort on the part of the Popular Voters to nudge Hillary Clinton into running again in 2020? yes no maybe (clarify in comments) View Results Are you sick of Republicans? Or just right-wingers in general? Do you want to send a message to Washington that you aren't going to buy into their racist, sexist, xenophobic, homophobic and classist nonsense for one second longer? Then do the very thing that Donald Trump unintentionally encouraged in a recent tweet: Encourage Hillary Clinton to run for president in 2020! Crooked Hillary Clinton is the worst (and biggest) loser of all time. She just cant stop, which is so good for the Republican Party. Hillary, get on with your life and give it another try in three years! 5:31 AM - Nov 18, 2017 I'm sure this is the part where the Clinton-haters be they Trumpers, Bernie Bros or anything in between will say something to the effect of, "Of course he wants her to run again. That's the only way he'll get re-elected!" Slow your roll there. Clinton's poll numbers aren't too good right now (OK, they're downright atrocious), but there are still four great reasons to consider choosing her as the Democratic nominee in 2020. Even better, all but one of them has to do with an emotion that has no place in this season (which is why I absolutely had to write this article for Thanksgiving weekend): Spite. Delicious, nutritious spite. 1. Hillary Clinton is the Winston Churchill to Vladimir Putin's Adolf Hitler. I agree with the basic principle of Godwin's Law: The first person to invoke Hitler in a political debate should normally lose. The exception, of course, has to be when someone has genuine Hitler-like qualities. A foreign despot who has invaded neighboring countries and has a right-wing nationalist agenda is about as Nazi-like as you can get. This is where Clinton offers a quality that no politician in America can beat. While Republicans are trying to tar her with a bogus scandal connecting her to Russia (and anyone who believes Clinton did something wrong in the Uranium One deal lacks credibility on all matters political), the reality is that no candidate can be better described as Russia's nemesis than Clinton. Putin has always hated Clinton because of his innate sexism, which has manifested in his policies, and she certainly didn't endear herself to him by publicly criticizing Russian corruption in 2011. As the ample connections between the Trump campaign and Russia or its water-carriers like WikiLeaks clearly demonstrate, the one person we know we can trust more than anyone is the candidate who Putin very obviously did not want to see as America's president. 2. Hillary Clinton being elected president (at last) would monumentally piss off misogynistic trolls, and what's not to like about that? I can't think of a single political figure in recent American history who has been hated as deeply, or for as long, as Hillary Clinton. From the moment she emerged on the national stage in 1992 as a distinctly feminist prospective first lady, she has been the target of right-wing wrath woefully out of proportion to anything she has ever said or done. The reason for this is sexism. It's not the chic thing to say right now, but no other explanation really makes sense. Yes, Hillary Clinton is more centrist than either party likes these days, but why is she singled out for opprobrium here when her husband who actually served as president remains popular despite holding the exact same views? The same point can be made about the claim that she is corrupt or too establishment. To the extent that these accusations are valid, they are no more true of Clinton than of the vast majority of politicians from both parties (especially Trump). At the very least, the next Democratic presidential candidate needs to be a woman perhaps not Clinton specifically, but certainly a woman, to offset the symbolic gut-punch of the first female candidate getting cheated by an overt misogynist. And speaking of cheating ...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Weezle 11/25/17 12:14:51 PM #2:	3. By winning the popular vote convincingly in 2016, Hillary Clinton has earned the right to be considered the presumptive nominee in 2020. As I wrote in September, Clinton is the first defeated presidential candidate to win the popular vote without being automatically considered a frontrunner in the next election. Two of the previous four popular vote-winning also-rans were actually elected in the subsequent cycle (Andrew Jackson in 1828 and Grover Cleveland in 1892), while two others were widely regarded as frontrunners before dropping out for personal reasons (Samuel Tilden and Al Gore). Let us not forget that, for all of the smack talk about how poorly Clinton ran her campaign, she bested Trump by nearly 3 million votes. This was no razor-thin margin of victory, but a decisive expression of the American public's preference. In terms of percentage points, her margin of victory was roughly comparable to that by which Jimmy Carter beat Gerald Ford in 1976 or George W. Bush beat John Kerry in 2004. She also held Trump to a lower percentage of the popular vote than that garnered by Mitt Romney in 2012. 4. We can expect her to be a good president. Frankly, the worst thing that can be said about a potential 2020 Clinton candidacy, especially in America's current cultural and political climate, is that her husband still hasn't answered for the numerous sexual abuse accusations against him. While it may seem unfair for Hillary to be held accountable for Bill's alleged predations, it can plausibly be argued that she played a role in helping him cover them up. If that is ever proved beyond a reasonable doubt, she should be given the heave-ho. Then again, Bill Clinton is also widely associated with the economic, social and foreign policy conditions of the beloved 1990s, and is greatly missed for that reason. And since few dispute that Hillary was her husband's co-president during that halcyon decade, that association can still remain a giant advantage. Finally, and perhaps most importantly, Clinton demonstrated through the 2016 Democratic National Committee platform that she would work with progressives on pursuing a policy agenda very close to their own goals. On issues ranging from raising the minimum wage and fighting global warming to scaling back the war on drugs, she would stand exactly where the majority of grassroots activists in the party want her to be. Plus while this has been noted countless times before, it deserves repetition she has ample experience as a U.S. senator and secretary of state in actually getting things done. That ability to get things done, by the way, is why Clinton had high approval ratings as secretary of state (usually in the 60s), even proving more popular than President Barack Obama and Vice President Joe Biden in 2011 and 2012. Her stock may be low now, but it's been low in the past (such as when she "ran" to be first lady in 1992), and it has always recovered. Arguably the big political question facing a potential Hillary 2020 campaign will be whether that bounce occurs at a fortuitous moment for her. It very well could, and wouldn't that be a giant helping of the dish best served cold? https://www.salon.com/2017/11/24/heres-your-leftover-turkey-the-case-for-hillary-clinton-2020/ --- sig <cite>Weezle posted [p:891030553] in The case f... [t:76029427]...</cite> <quote>3. By winning the popular vote convincingly in 2016, Hillary Clinton has earned the right to be considered the presumptive nominee in 2020. As I wrote in September, Clinton is the first defeated presidential candidate to win the popular vote without being automatically considered a frontrunner in the next election. Two of the previous four popular vote-winning also-rans were actually elected in the subsequent cycle (Andrew Jackson in 1828 and Grover Cleveland in 1892), while two others were widely regarded as frontrunners before dropping out for personal reasons (Samuel Tilden and Al Gore). Let us not forget that, for all of the smack talk about how poorly Clinton ran her campaign, she bested Trump by nearly 3 million votes. This was no razor-thin margin of victory, but a decisive expression of the American public's preference. In terms of percentage points, her margin of victory was roughly comparable to that by which Jimmy Carter beat Gerald Ford in 1976 or George W. Bush beat John Kerry in 2004. She also held Trump to a lower percentage of the popular vote than that garnered by Mitt Romney in 2012. 4. We can expect her to be a good president. Frankly, the worst thing that can be said about a potential 2020 Clinton candidacy, especially in America's current cultural and political climate, is that her husband still hasn't answered for the numerous sexual abuse accusations against him. While it may seem unfair for Hillary to be held accountable for Bill's alleged predations, it can plausibly be argued that she played a role in helping him cover them up. If that is ever proved beyond a reasonable doubt, she should be given the heave-ho. Then again, Bill Clinton is also widely associated with the economic, social and foreign policy conditions of the beloved 1990s, and is greatly missed for that reason. And since few dispute that Hillary was her husband's co-president during that halcyon decade, that association can still remain a giant advantage. Finally, and perhaps most importantly, Clinton demonstrated through the 2016 Democratic National Committee platform that she would work with progressives on pursuing a policy agenda very close to their own goals. On issues ranging from raising the minimum wage and fighting global warming to scaling back the war on drugs, she would stand exactly where the majority of grassroots activists in the party want her to be. Plus while this has been noted countless times before, it deserves repetition she has ample experience as a U.S. senator and secretary of state in actually getting things done. That ability to get things done, by the way, is why Clinton had high approval ratings as secretary of state (usually in the 60s), even proving more popular than President Barack Obama and Vice President Joe Biden in 2011 and 2012. Her stock may be low now, but it's been low in the past (such as when she "ran" to be first lady in 1992), and it has always recovered. Arguably the big political question facing a potential Hillary 2020 campaign will be whether that bounce occurs at a fortuitous moment for her. It very well could, and wouldn't that be a giant helping of the dish best served cold? https://www.salon.com/2017/11/24/heres-your-leftover-turkey-the-case-for-hillary-clinton-2020/</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Callixtus 11/25/17 12:16:21 PM #3:	I'm not voting for anyone over the age of 60. Call me a bigot, but this current political generation is exhausted. We need someone youthful who's ready to make big changes. --- It will be more bearable for Tyre and Sidon on the day of judgment than for you. \| I did not come to bring peace to the earth, but the sword. -Jesus <cite>Callixtus posted [p:891030612] in The case f... [t:76029427]...</cite> <quote>I'm not voting for anyone over the age of 60. Call me a bigot, but this current political generation is exhausted. We need someone youthful who's ready to make big changes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SK8T3R215 11/25/17 12:17:36 PM #4:	"It's my turn and not voting for me is sexist!" - Clinton 2020 slogan --- New York Knicks, New York Jets, New York Yankees. <cite>SK8T3R215 posted [p:891030668] in The case f... [t:76029427]...</cite> <quote>"It's my turn and not voting for me is sexist!" - Clinton 2020 slogan</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 11/25/17 12:18:12 PM #5:	No, hillary has had more than enough chances. She needs to fucking just give up already. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:891030691] in The case f... [t:76029427]...</cite> <quote>No, hillary has had more than enough chances. She needs to fucking just give up already.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Heineken14 11/25/17 12:18:49 PM #7:	No. She has "lost" twice already and will be 4 years older in 2020. Give it up. We need a younger person that hasn't had decades of right wing propaganda against them. --- Rage is a hell of an anesthetic. <cite>Heineken14 posted [p:891030708] in The case f... [t:76029427]...</cite> <quote>No. She has "lost" twice already and will be 4 years older in 2020. Give it up. We need a younger person that hasn't had decades of right wing propaganda against them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 11/25/17 12:18:50 PM #8:	if people are sick of right-wingers, why would they want one to run for the major political party that is less bad? --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:891030710] in The case f... [t:76029427]...</cite> <quote>if people are sick of right-wingers, why would they want one to run for the major political party that is less bad?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bkkorps 11/25/17 12:19:01 PM #9:	the only reason Hillary will run in 2020 is to ensure that a republican keeps the white house. --- Minnesota is like having sex in The Boundary Waters. ****ing close to Canada. <cite>bkkorps posted [p:891030712] in The case f... [t:76029427]...</cite> <quote>the only reason Hillary will run in 2020 is to ensure that a republican keeps the white house.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnholyMudcrab 11/25/17 12:20:21 PM #10:	Salon continues to be a joke publication --- http://i.imgur.com/VeNBg.gif http://i.imgur.com/gd5jC8q.gif http://i.imgur.com/PKIy7.gif http://i.imgur.com/3p29JqP.gif <cite>UnholyMudcrab posted [p:891030776] in The case f... [t:76029427]...</cite> <quote>Salon continues to be a joke publication</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doe 11/25/17 12:21:15 PM #11:	Imagine being this desperate --- http://i.imgur.com/iwo6yR9.jpg http://i.imgur.com/uqXNtk6.jpg <cite>Doe posted [p:891030820] in The case f... [t:76029427]...</cite> <quote>Imagine being this desperate</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 11/25/17 12:22:01 PM #12:	UnholyMudcrab posted... Salon continues to be a joke publication they do have some good stuff. this is not among it --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:891030861] in The case f... [t:76029427]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnholyMudcrab posted...</cite> <quote>Salon continues to be a joke publication</quote> they do have some good stuff. this is not among it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Damn_Underscore 11/25/17 12:22:02 PM #13:	>salon --- Shenmue II = best game of all time Shenmue = 2nd best game of all time <cite>Damn_Underscore posted [p:891030863] in The case f... [t:76029427]...</cite> <quote>>salon</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JxOxNxIxCxS 11/25/17 12:22:39 PM #14:	Let Biden run this time. Shit if people can elect a perv as ppthe potus, then they might as well elect a goofy perv. --- http://i.imgur.com/vcAEBhO.jpg <cite>JxOxNxIxCxS posted [p:891030893] in The case f... [t:76029427]...</cite> <quote>Let Biden run this time. Shit if people can elect a perv as ppthe potus, then they might as well elect a goofy perv.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
jpenny2 11/25/17 12:22:48 PM #15:	Hillary 2020: Let's guarantee four more years of Trump! --- Fren Code: 2767-3374-3343 \|\| IGN: Penny \|\| TSV: 3067 \|\| Sig NFT I hate sarcasm. I'm also not too fond of irony. \| Permanently banned <cite>jpenny2 posted [p:891030902] in The case f... [t:76029427]...</cite> <quote>Hillary 2020: Let's guarantee four more years of Trump!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightDarkFrexed 11/25/17 12:23:35 PM #16:	At this point I would take Trump over Clinton in 2020 if she is nominated again. And this is from a Bernie supporter who got sick after pressing the button for her last November <cite>LightDarkFrexed posted [p:891030939] in The case f... [t:76029427]...</cite> <quote>At this point I would take Trump over Clinton in 2020 if she is nominated again. And this is from a Bernie supporter who got sick after pressing the button for her last November</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tryhaptaward 11/25/17 12:24:57 PM #17:	America needs a strong role model! #Herturn <cite>Tryhaptaward posted [p:891031006] in The case f... [t:76029427]...</cite> <quote>America needs a strong role model! #Herturn</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dark_Spiret 11/25/17 12:24:58 PM #18:	shes done, jim. --- Currently playing: Forza Horizon 3 - Dead Rising - Hitman <cite>Dark_Spiret posted [p:891031008] in The case f... [t:76029427]...</cite> <quote>shes done, jim.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WaffIeElite 11/25/17 12:25:18 PM #19:	The Democrats lost the election specifically because they gambled on Hillary beating the Republican 'joke' candidate. She was wildly unpopular even within the left-leaning communities, because she's a two-timing, double-crossing snake who is absolutely a conservative at heart. They wouldn't bother with her again. When the two candidates both cause a plummet in voter turnout, and such divisive hatred on both sides, within their own parties, you know that she was a colossal failure for the running. --- I have a signature. Apparently this is important, but I still don't have my secret cool kid decoder ring yet. <cite>WaffIeElite posted [p:891031022] in The case f... [t:76029427]...</cite> <quote>The Democrats lost the election specifically because they gambled on Hillary beating the Republican 'joke' candidate. She was wildly unpopular even within the left-leaning communities, because she's a two-timing, double-crossing snake who is absolutely a conservative at heart. They wouldn't bother with her again. When the two candidates both cause a plummet in voter turnout, and such divisive hatred on both sides, within their own parties, you know that she was a colossal failure for the running.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Electrokinesis 11/25/17 12:25:20 PM #20:	Objectivity, schmobjectivity. --- It's scientifically impossible for pants to feel "pain". ~ TheRealItachi <cite>Electrokinesis posted [p:891031024] in The case f... [t:76029427]...</cite> <quote>Objectivity, schmobjectivity.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BLAKUboy 11/25/17 12:25:41 PM #21:	JxOxNxIxCxS posted... Let Biden run this time. Fuck no. Biden is only good as a meme. --- Aeris dies if she takes more damage than her current HP - Panthera http://signavatar.com/26999_s.png <cite>BLAKUboy posted [p:891031036] in The case f... [t:76029427]...</cite> <quote><cite>JxOxNxIxCxS posted...</cite> <quote>Let Biden run this time.</quote> Fuck no. Biden is only good as a meme.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Damn_Underscore 11/25/17 12:29:08 PM #22:	Hopefully the Democrats have more than 2 serious candidates next election.There was only one other candidate who made it to the first primary (Iowa caucuses) before withdrawing... --- Shenmue II = best game of all time Shenmue = 2nd best game of all time <cite>Damn_Underscore posted [p:891031196] in The case f... [t:76029427]...</cite> <quote>Hopefully the Democrats have more than 2 serious candidates next election.There was only one other candidate who made it to the first primary (Iowa caucuses) before withdrawing...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Paragon21XX 11/25/17 12:31:09 PM #23:	Once a general election loser these days, always a general election loser (unless you are Nixon, and look at how that turned out in the end). --- Hmm... <cite>Paragon21XX posted [p:891031274] in The case f... [t:76029427]...</cite> <quote>Once a general election loser these days, always a general election loser (unless you are Nixon, and look at how that turned out in the end).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ElatedVenusaur 11/25/17 12:33:05 PM #24:	Nope. It's time to bern this craphole to the ground. Bern it all! <cite>ElatedVenusaur posted [p:891031365] in The case f... [t:76029427]...</cite> <quote>Nope. It's time to bern this craphole to the ground. Bern it all!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ivynn 11/25/17 12:38:45 PM #25:	I didn't read any of that. --- http://i.imgur.com/vDci4hD.gif <cite>Ivynn posted [p:891031604] in The case f... [t:76029427]...</cite> <quote>I didn't read any of that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Capn Circus 11/25/17 12:39:02 PM #26:	I'm not too sure the left has many options. Hillary might be a good choice for them. --- "I think that man will be president right about the time when spaceships come down filled with dinosaurs in red capes" - Tom Hanks <cite>Capn Circus posted [p:891031613] in The case f... [t:76029427]...</cite> <quote>I'm not too sure the left has many options. Hillary might be a good choice for them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FaytlessHearts 11/25/17 12:40:18 PM #27:	With any luck, that monster will be passed away by 2020. --- "To be forgotten is worse than death..." -Freya <cite>FaytlessHearts posted [p:891031659] in The case f... [t:76029427]...</cite> <quote>With any luck, that monster will be passed away by 2020.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexenherz 11/25/17 12:42:22 PM #28:	I'm sick of Republicans. And Democrats. And anyone who tries to identify themselves as "liberal" or "conservative" and associates with either one of the two mainstream political parties. I don't want to see Clinton become president in 2020. I want a legitimately qualified candidate elected in 2020. --- i dont like signatures <cite>Hexenherz posted [p:891031744] in The case f... [t:76029427]...</cite> <quote>I'm sick of Republicans. And Democrats. And anyone who tries to identify themselves as "liberal" or "conservative" and associates with either one of the two mainstream political parties. I don't want to see Clinton become president in 2020. I want a legitimately qualified candidate elected in 2020.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tryhaptaward 11/25/17 12:44:35 PM #29:	Hexenherz posted... I want a legitimately qualified candidate elected in 2020. So Hillary Clinton <cite>Tryhaptaward posted [p:891031836] in The case f... [t:76029427]...</cite> <quote><cite>Hexenherz posted...</cite> <quote>I want a legitimately qualified candidate elected in 2020.</quote> So Hillary Clinton</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FaytlessHearts 11/25/17 12:45:44 PM #30:	Tryhaptaward posted... Hexenherz posted... I want a legitimately qualified candidate elected in 2020. So Hillary Clinton That's a really good joke. Trump is more qualified than Clinton. :/ a fresh pile of dog shit is more qualified. --- "To be forgotten is worse than death..." -Freya <cite>FaytlessHearts posted [p:891031882] in The case f... [t:76029427]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tryhaptaward posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Hexenherz posted...</cite> <quote>I want a legitimately qualified candidate elected in 2020.</quote> So Hillary Clinton</quote> That's a really good joke. Trump is more qualified than Clinton. :/ a fresh pile of dog shit is more qualified.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexenherz 11/25/17 12:46:49 PM #31:	Tryhaptaward posted... Hexenherz posted... I want a legitimately qualified candidate elected in 2020. So Hillary Clinton No. Someone who ran two failed electoral campaigns is not qualified to be president. I'm not saying that's the only thing that factors into a person's qualifications... but I do not believe that someone who ran out of campaign finance (the first time), and who can't take responsibility for a failed campaign (the second time) deserves anyone's vote. The fact that she already had two fair shakes at this is further proof she doesn't need a third. --- i dont like signatures <cite>Hexenherz posted [p:891031929] in The case f... [t:76029427]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tryhaptaward posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Hexenherz posted...</cite> <quote>I want a legitimately qualified candidate elected in 2020.</quote> So Hillary Clinton</quote> No. Someone who ran two failed electoral campaigns is not qualified to be president. I'm not saying that's the only thing that factors into a person's qualifications... but I do not believe that someone who ran out of campaign finance (the first time), and who can't take responsibility for a failed campaign (the second time) deserves anyone's vote. The fact that she already had two fair shakes at this is further proof she doesn't need a third.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexenherz 11/25/17 12:47:10 PM #32:	FaytlessHearts posted... Tryhaptaward posted... Hexenherz posted... I want a legitimately qualified candidate elected in 2020. So Hillary Clinton That's a really good joke. Trump is more qualified than Clinton. :/ a fresh pile of dog shit is more qualified. Trump isn't qualified for shit. They're both terrible candidates. --- i dont like signatures <cite>Hexenherz posted [p:891031940] in The case f... [t:76029427]...</cite> <quote><cite>FaytlessHearts posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Tryhaptaward posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Hexenherz posted...</cite> <quote>I want a legitimately qualified candidate elected in 2020.</quote> So Hillary Clinton</quote> That's a really good joke. Trump is more qualified than Clinton. :/ a fresh pile of dog shit is more qualified.</quote> Trump isn't qualified for shit. They're both terrible candidates.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scorpion41 11/25/17 12:49:34 PM #33:	Sure, double-down on the least likable person in America who makes back room deals with foreign powers while you sleep. Trump will enjoy his second term. --- PSN: scorpion_4160 Currently Playing: NCAA 14, Darksiders series(PS3) <cite>scorpion41 posted [p:891032059] in The case f... [t:76029427]...</cite> <quote>Sure, double-down on the least likable person in America who makes back room deals with foreign powers while you sleep. Trump will enjoy his second term.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BLAKUboy 11/25/17 12:49:43 PM #34:	Hexenherz posted... Someone who ran two failed electoral campaigns is not qualified to be president. That's a a really weird way of saying "I'm going to ignore all of her qualifications because I just don't like her." Like I have more than a few complaints about Hillary, but she is without question "legitimately qualified". --- Aeris dies if she takes more damage than her current HP - Panthera http://signavatar.com/26999_s.png <cite>BLAKUboy posted [p:891032066] in The case f... [t:76029427]...</cite> <quote><cite>Hexenherz posted...</cite> <quote>Someone who ran two failed electoral campaigns is not qualified to be president.</quote> That's a a really weird way of saying "I'm going to ignore all of her qualifications because I just don't like her." Like I have more than a few complaints about Hillary, but she is without question "legitimately qualified".</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FaytlessHearts 11/25/17 12:51:42 PM #35:	Hexenherz posted... FaytlessHearts posted... Tryhaptaward posted... Hexenherz posted... I want a legitimately qualified candidate elected in 2020. So Hillary Clinton That's a really good joke. Trump is more qualified than Clinton. :/ a fresh pile of dog shit is more qualified. Trump isn't qualified for shit. They're both terrible candidates. Yup. Both are terrible. But Hillary PedoSupporter Clinton is the literal scum of the earth. There will be celebrations around the world when that monster bites the dust. She isn't qualified for anything. Her revoked lawyer status should be enough, but most people just ignore that. --- "To be forgotten is worse than death..." -Freya <cite>FaytlessHearts posted [p:891032150] in The case f... [t:76029427]...</cite> <quote><cite>Hexenherz posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FaytlessHearts posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Tryhaptaward posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Hexenherz posted...</cite> <quote>I want a legitimately qualified candidate elected in 2020.</quote> So Hillary Clinton</quote> That's a really good joke. Trump is more qualified than Clinton. :/ a fresh pile of dog shit is more qualified.</quote> Trump isn't qualified for shit. They're both terrible candidates.</quote> Yup. Both are terrible. But Hillary PedoSupporter Clinton is the literal scum of the earth. There will be celebrations around the world when that monster bites the dust. She isn't qualified for anything. Her revoked lawyer status should be enough, but most people just ignore that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexenherz 11/25/17 12:53:05 PM #36:	BLAKUboy posted... Hexenherz posted... Someone who ran two failed electoral campaigns is not qualified to be president. That's a a really weird way of saying "I'm going to ignore all of her qualifications because I just don't like her." Like I have more than a few complaints about Hillary, but she is without question "legitimately qualified". I'm not denying she has a lot of experience and is a very qualified candidate because of that. But she has shown multiple times that she can't manage a campaign budget (do you want someone who can't manage something like that to manage the national budget?), that she is out of touch with the majority of the voting populace, and that she can not take responsibility for her mistakes. Those are very undesirable traits in a person who is running for president of the US. Trump is even worse, don't get me wrong. --- i dont like signatures <cite>Hexenherz posted [p:891032202] in The case f... [t:76029427]...</cite> <quote><cite>BLAKUboy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Hexenherz posted...</cite> <quote>Someone who ran two failed electoral campaigns is not qualified to be president.</quote> That's a a really weird way of saying "I'm going to ignore all of her qualifications because I just don't like her." Like I have more than a few complaints about Hillary, but she is without question "legitimately qualified".</quote> I'm not denying she has a lot of experience and is a very qualified candidate because of that. But she has shown multiple times that she can't manage a campaign budget (do you want someone who can't manage something like that to manage the national budget?), that she is out of touch with the majority of the voting populace, and that she can not take responsibility for her mistakes. Those are very undesirable traits in a person who is running for president of the US. Trump is even worse, don't get me wrong.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
50Blessings 11/25/17 12:54:57 PM #37:	Why do Conservatives keep bring up Hillary...oh wait --- America is a tune. It must be sung together. --50 Blessings https://i.imgur.com/cKxoAhi.png <cite>50Blessings posted [p:891032276] in The case f... [t:76029427]...</cite> <quote>Why do Conservatives keep bring up Hillary...oh wait</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BLAKUboy 11/25/17 12:55:08 PM #38:	Being untrustworthy is not the same as being unqualified. --- Aeris dies if she takes more damage than her current HP - Panthera http://signavatar.com/26999_s.png <cite>BLAKUboy posted [p:891032280] in The case f... [t:76029427]...</cite> <quote>Being untrustworthy is not the same as being unqualified.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Weezle 11/25/17 1:17:44 PM #39:	She's our real president. --- sig <cite>Weezle posted [p:891033232] in The case f... [t:76029427]...</cite> <quote>She's our real president.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Weezle 11/25/17 1:24:31 PM #40:	I heard the qualified women that want a seat at the table are the new bulls --- sig <cite>Weezle posted [p:891033536] in The case f... [t:76029427]...</cite> <quote>I heard the qualified women that want a seat at the table are the new bulls</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 11/25/17 1:26:22 PM #41:	Hexenherz posted... FaytlessHearts posted... Tryhaptaward posted... Hexenherz posted... I want a legitimately qualified candidate elected in 2020. So Hillary Clinton That's a really good joke. Trump is more qualified than Clinton. :/ a fresh pile of dog shit is more qualified. Trump isn't qualified for shit. They're both terrible candidates. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:891033606] in The case f... [t:76029427]...</cite> <quote><cite>Hexenherz posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FaytlessHearts posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Tryhaptaward posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Hexenherz posted...</cite> <quote>I want a legitimately qualified candidate elected in 2020.</quote> So Hillary Clinton</quote> That's a really good joke. Trump is more qualified than Clinton. :/ a fresh pile of dog shit is more qualified.</quote> Trump isn't qualified for shit. They're both terrible candidates.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 11/25/17 1:28:26 PM #42:	Weezle posted... She's our real president. Weezle more like weedle --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:891033701] in The case f... [t:76029427]...</cite> <quote><cite>Weezle posted...</cite> <quote>She's our real president.</quote> Weezle more like weedle</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BLAKUboy 11/25/17 1:28:31 PM #43:	Honestly? Trump isn't even qualified to be a housekeeper at Mar-a-Lago. --- Aeris dies if she takes more damage than her current HP - Panthera http://signavatar.com/26999_s.png <cite>BLAKUboy posted [p:891033708] in The case f... [t:76029427]...</cite> <quote>Honestly? Trump isn't even qualified to be a housekeeper at Mar-a-Lago.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anteaterking 11/25/17 1:28:53 PM #44:	Hexenherz posted... But she has shown multiple times that she can't manage a campaign budget (do you want someone who can't manage something like that to manage the national budget?) This shows a misunderstanding of both political campaigns and the president's role. --- http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg <cite>Anteaterking posted [p:891033725] in The case f... [t:76029427]...</cite> <quote><cite>Hexenherz posted...</cite> <quote>But she has shown multiple times that she can't manage a campaign budget (do you want someone who can't manage something like that to manage the national budget?)</quote> This shows a misunderstanding of both political campaigns and the president's role.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DezCaughtIt 11/25/17 1:29:33 PM #45:	Yeah, no. Hillary needs to sit out --- *The user formally known as freakofnature30* ROCK FLAAAAG AND EAAAAAAAAAGLLLLLLLE <cite>DezCaughtIt posted [p:891033764] in The case f... [t:76029427]...</cite> <quote>Yeah, no. Hillary needs to sit out</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nomadic View 11/25/17 1:37:10 PM #46:	As someone that voted Trump and will likely vote Trump again, I hope she runs in 2020. --- {}\\{}(o){}\\//{}//=\\{})){}(< \\//{}{{-{}//\\{} {}xxxxxxxx{};;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;> <cite>Nomadic View posted [p:891034075] in The case f... [t:76029427]...</cite> <quote>As someone that voted Trump and will likely vote Trump again, I hope she runs in 2020.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 11/25/17 1:40:44 PM #47:	Man, this author isn't even one of the better known Hillary sycophants --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:891034244] in The case f... [t:76029427]...</cite> <quote>Man, this author isn't even one of the better known Hillary sycophants</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
stoltenberg11 11/25/17 1:42:46 PM #48:	Hexenherz posted... I'm sick of Republicans. And Democrats. And anyone who tries to identify themselves as "liberal" or "conservative" and associates with either one of the two mainstream political parties. I don't want to see Clinton become president in 2020. I want a legitimately qualified candidate elected in 2020. This. these politicians that play one side against another are annoying and need to die off. They're holding America back --- You're such a boring characterless entity. Try getting laid once in a while and maybe you'll have friends and find out what a "joke" is. - derrate <cite>stoltenberg11 posted [p:891034321] in The case f... [t:76029427]...</cite> <quote><cite>Hexenherz posted...</cite> <quote>I'm sick of Republicans. And Democrats. And anyone who tries to identify themselves as "liberal" or "conservative" and associates with either one of the two mainstream political parties. I don't want to see Clinton become president in 2020. I want a legitimately qualified candidate elected in 2020.</quote> This. these politicians that play one side against another are annoying and need to die off. They're holding America back</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZeldaMutant 11/25/17 1:45:02 PM #49:	Weezle posted... Are you sick of Republicans? *Or just right-wingers in general?* Do you want to send a message to Washington that you aren't going to buy into their racist, sexist, xenophobic, homophobic and *classist* nonsense for one second longer? Yes. That's why I want Sanders, not Clinton. --- 96065 <cite>ZeldaMutant posted [p:891034421] in The case f... [t:76029427]...</cite> <quote><cite>Weezle posted...</cite> <quote>Are you sick of Republicans? Or just right-wingers in general? Do you want to send a message to Washington that you aren't going to buy into their racist, sexist, xenophobic, homophobic and classist nonsense for one second longer?</quote>Yes. That's why I want Sanders, not Clinton.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Offworlder1 11/25/17 1:52:19 PM #50:	I say let her run again so when Trump curb stomps her a second time all her supporters can see how bad a camdidate she is, hoe as bad as Trump is he is still better then Hilary. I believe both Republicans and Democrats need younger cadidates for presidential nominations. People who respect the past but are not stuck in it, people who want to change things for the better. --- "Always two there are, a master and an apprentice" <cite>Offworlder1 posted [p:891034773] in The case f... [t:76029427]...</cite> <quote>I say let her run again so when Trump curb stomps her a second time all her supporters can see how bad a camdidate she is, hoe as bad as Trump is he is still better then Hilary. I believe both Republicans and Democrats need younger cadidates for presidential nominations. People who respect the past but are not stuck in it, people who want to change things for the better.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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