Current Events > Fuck. Sylvester Stallone accused of sexually assaulting 16 year old girl

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There are several users on CE who seem to think the only method of rape is being forced in a back alley with a knife to the throat.

There was literally a guy who would film himself raping his wife when she was unconscious and people here still thought that was fishy and couldn't believe it.
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As much as I hate being that guy, I really can't trust anything coming from the Daily Mail.
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She said she felt she was forced after the fact. Meaning he asked her if she had ever had sex with two dudes before, and then she just went along with it without telling them to stop at any point. Im sorry, but that isnt rape. It just isnt. Now, if she would have said said, Im not comfortable with this and THEN they went thru with it that most definitely would have been rape, but thats not what happened. However Im still sickened they said they would bash her head in if she talked about the encounter with anyone.
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Darmik posted...

There are several users on CE who seem to think the only method of rape is being forced in a back alley with a knife to the throat.

There was literally a guy who would film himself raping his wife when she was unconscious and people here still thought that was fishy and couldn't believe it.

Thats rape because shes unconscious. Totally different scenario.
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accused = definitely happened

What a time to be alive
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UnholyMudcrab posted...

As much as I hate being that guy, I really can't trust anything coming from the Daily Mail.

Retired Las Vegas metro police department detective sergeant John Samolovitch, who was head of the sexual assault unit at the time, confirmed to DailyMail.com the copy of the police report is in fact a true copy of the original report.

I'm not sure if they'd go that far.

alphagamerXXL posted...

She said she felt she was forced after the fact. Meaning he asked her if she had ever had sex with two dudes before, and then she just went along with it without telling them to stop at any point. Im sorry, but that isnt rape. It just isnt. Now, if she would have said said, Im not comfortable with this and THEN they went thru with it that most definitely would have been rape, but thats not what happened. However Im still sickened they said they would bash her head in if she talked about the encounter with anyone.

I'm really not sure how you've made this call from a whopping one paragraph. It really isn't that hard to see how someone could have felt that they were forced to have sex with the bodyguard in this scenario. It's a vulnerable situation to be in.
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Darmik posted...

UnholyMudcrab posted...

As much as I hate being that guy, I really can't trust anything coming from the Daily Mail.

Retired Las Vegas metro police department detective sergeant John Samolovitch, who was head of the sexual assault unit at the time, confirmed to DailyMail.com the copy of the police report is in fact a true copy of the original report.

I'm not sure if they'd go that far.

alphagamerXXL posted...

She said she felt she was forced after the fact. Meaning he asked her if she had ever had sex with two dudes before, and then she just went along with it without telling them to stop at any point. Im sorry, but that isnt rape. It just isnt. Now, if she would have said said, Im not comfortable with this and THEN they went thru with it that most definitely would have been rape, but thats not what happened. However Im still sickened they said they would bash her head in if she talked about the encounter with anyone.

I'm really not sure how you've made this call from a whopping one paragraph. It really isn't that hard to see how someone could have felt that they were forced to have sex with the bodyguard in this scenario. It's a vulnerable situation to be in.

Were ALL basing our opinions based on this one paragraph, including you.
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Patchwork posted...

Eve-L posted...

She said she was "forced" to perform oral on his body guard.

Are people willfully ignoring that part and saying that's not rape?

Yes. They are. They're also ignoring she never consented to sex with the bodyguard.

She never once alleges that she said no or refused their advances. As it is, she felt uncomfortable and intimidated but accepted it. That is consent. The police also tell us she said there was no actual physical force, according to her own words.

According to police, when De Luca became involved in the sexual encounter 'she became very uncomfortable with the situation. She states she did not want to have any type of sexual contact with the bodyguard, but felt she had no choice in the matter.

'She states there was no actual physical force, but she did feel intimidated.'

That conflicts a little bit with this:

Stallone allegedly asked De Luca if he wanted a 'blow job' from the teen and De Luca then 'forced her head down onto his penis', according to the police report.

I'm surmising they mean to say she wasn't forcibly held down and orally raped, as there's a distinction between that and placing a hand behind the head and guiding a woman's mouth to the penis.
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GregShmedley posted...

We literally have zero reason to believe this is true or false.

But that's not going to stop us speculating the shit out of it.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Funbazooka posted...

If you feel like Stallone's a scumbag for inappropriately surprising her with another guy to fuck, sure you can feel that way. Probably normal to feel that way on some level but people have all kinds of sexual kinks. Apparently Stallone loves to fuck women together with his bros. Threesomes aren't that extremely weird

"Rape is okay if it's your fetish"

Da fuck?

try to better comprehend what you're reading, rather than jumping to your own conclusions
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UnholyMudcrab posted...

As much as I hate being that guy, I really can't trust anything coming from the Daily Mail.

Daily Mail is a legit source. It was broken to them. You can google his name now and find every other outlet reporting on it.

Funbazooka posted...

Patchwork posted...

Eve-L posted...

She said she was "forced" to perform oral on his body guard.

Are people willfully ignoring that part and saying that's not rape?

Yes. They are. They're also ignoring she never consented to sex with the bodyguard.

She never once alleges that she said no or refused their advances. As it is, she felt uncomfortable and intimidated but accepted it. That is consent. The police also tell us she said there was no actual physical force, according to her own words.

Again, Jesus fucking Christ.

I'll repeat myself:

Sex, and consent, aren't just the verbal yes and nos. Body language plays a huge role too. Ever seen any one who was anxious or uncomfortable? You can easily tell, because their body language is vastly different from someone who is chipper.
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alphagamerXXL posted...

Were ALL basing our opinions based on this one paragraph, including you.

First of all I haven't named Stallone a rapist. I don't know enough about this story to prosecute him. But I haven't claimed that what she experienced wasn't rape.

I'm also certainly not going to claim that she couldn't have possibly been raped in this scenario because she wasn't held down and forced. She was a 16 year old girl in a room with two extremely strong men. Who allegedly joked about bashing her afterwards. Of course that's an intimidating situation to be in that could lead to rape.

If the girl feels like she is forced into having sex with you because she's scared it's rape. If this story is true she was absolutely 100% raped.
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Nazanir posted...

Funbazooka posted...

Patchwork posted...

Eve-L posted...

She said she was "forced" to perform oral on his body guard.

Are people willfully ignoring that part and saying that's not rape?

Yes. They are. They're also ignoring she never consented to sex with the bodyguard.

She never once alleges that she said no or refused their advances. As it is, she felt uncomfortable and intimidated but accepted it. That is consent. The police also tell us she said there was no actual physical force, according to her own words.

Again, Jesus fucking Christ.

I'll repeat myself:

Sex, and consent, aren't just the verbal yes and nos. Body language plays a huge role too. Ever seen any one who was anxious or uncomfortable? You can easily tell, because their body language is vastly different from someone who is chipper.

I understand that it is not just verbal. She never alleges that she resisted, tried to leave, anything like that.

Being anxious or uncomfortable doesn't remove consent.
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These accusations are ridiculous. She could have said no to the bodyguard. There is nothing wrong with what was done there

JimmyJumper6 posted...

These accusations are ridiculous. She could have said no to the bodyguard. There is nothing wrong with what was done there

Other than a 40 year old man fucking a 16 year old girl? Even if she gave consent, it's still statutory rape. You guys are entirely missing that part...

Funbazooka posted...

I understand that it is not just verbal. She never alleges that she resisted, tried to leave, anything like that.

Because she was SCARED.

This isn't hard to understand.

Do you consent to being robbed if you don't say no? It's a ridiculous mindset to have.

She was 16 years old and the buff celebrity suddenly decides his bodyguard gets to have a go. The bodyguard who was hiding in the bathroom. This is just sprung onto her.

Even then we don't know the exact dialogue of what was said. All he know was that she felt intimidated and that she wasn't held down and raped.
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Body language? Has anyone ever been convicted of rape on the grounds of "She didn't say no, but her BODY LANGUAGE did."
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JimmyJumper6 posted...

These accusations are ridiculous. She could have said no to the bodyguard. There is nothing wrong with what was done there

so he would say "ahh man" and just leave?

a big muscled powerful man like that?
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Funbazooka posted...

Nazanir posted...

Funbazooka posted...

Patchwork posted...

Eve-L posted...

She said she was "forced" to perform oral on his body guard.

Are people willfully ignoring that part and saying that's not rape?

Yes. They are. They're also ignoring she never consented to sex with the bodyguard.

She never once alleges that she said no or refused their advances. As it is, she felt uncomfortable and intimidated but accepted it. That is consent. The police also tell us she said there was no actual physical force, according to her own words.

Again, Jesus fucking Christ.

I'll repeat myself:

Sex, and consent, aren't just the verbal yes and nos. Body language plays a huge role too. Ever seen any one who was anxious or uncomfortable? You can easily tell, because their body language is vastly different from someone who is chipper.

I understand that it is not just verbal. She never alleges that she resisted, tried to leave, anything like that.

Being anxious or uncomfortable doesn't remove consent.

Right, if you insist playing this game: just because she didn't say no, doesn't imply she meant yes either.
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When you look at what she told the police it's beginning to look more and more like most of the shame came from her being interviewed by the police about the whole thing, when she actually wanted to leave it be and move on, even if she regretted it.

The police interview probably felt like a moral interrogation for her, feeling a great deal of shame in authorities knowing about what she did, and the possibility of the story exploding into the national news.

It was a secret she confided to her friend and suddenly she was thrust into all that negative attention.
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r4X0r posted...

Body language? Has anyone ever been convicted of rape on the grounds of "She didn't say no, but her BODY LANGUAGE did."

Well geez if convictions are the only concern when it comes to consent and rape I guess there's not much to worry about...
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Nazanir posted...

Right, if you insist playing this game: just because she didn't say no, doesn't imply she meant yes either.

So if you don't ask a woman "Are you down with this?" and get an affirmative answer, then it's rape? That's BEYOND insane. Why don't we require paperwork. All involved parties have to sign at the dotted line to prove consent.
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darkphoenix181 posted...

JimmyJumper6 posted...

These accusations are ridiculous. She could have said no to the bodyguard. There is nothing wrong with what was done there

so he would say "ahh man" and just leave?

a big muscled powerful man like that?

Uh yeah dood. No and I would like to leave now.

KazumaKiryu posted...

Even if she gave consent, it's still statutory rape. You guys are entirely missing that part...

And you're missing the part where:

Funbazooka posted...

Age of consent in Nevada is 16.

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This topic got hit hard by rape apologists

r4X0r posted...

Nazanir posted...

Right, if you insist playing this game: just because she didn't say no, doesn't imply she meant yes either.

So if you don't ask a woman "Are you down with this?" and get an affirmative answer, then it's rape? That's BEYOND insane. Why don't we require paperwork. All involved parties have to sign at the dotted line to prove consent.

Depends on the scenario. Are you randomly bringing out your friend during sex who has been hiding in the bathroom the entire time? Is she 16 years old?

Because in a scenario like that it would most certainly help to be 100% sure she isn't scared and actually wants to do it.
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Shake my damn head I cant believe any of you are trying to make a deal out of this. NOTHING WAS WRONG

Nazanir posted...

Funbazooka posted...

Nazanir posted...

Funbazooka posted...

Patchwork posted...

Eve-L posted...

She said she was "forced" to perform oral on his body guard.

Are people willfully ignoring that part and saying that's not rape?

Yes. They are. They're also ignoring she never consented to sex with the bodyguard.

She never once alleges that she said no or refused their advances. As it is, she felt uncomfortable and intimidated but accepted it. That is consent. The police also tell us she said there was no actual physical force, according to her own words.

Again, Jesus fucking Christ.

I'll repeat myself:

Sex, and consent, aren't just the verbal yes and nos. Body language plays a huge role too. Ever seen any one who was anxious or uncomfortable? You can easily tell, because their body language is vastly different from someone who is chipper.

I understand that it is not just verbal. She never alleges that she resisted, tried to leave, anything like that.

Being anxious or uncomfortable doesn't remove consent.

Right, if you insist playing this game: just because she didn't say no, doesn't imply she meant yes either.

Thing is, feelings of anxiousness or discomfort aren't actions like verbally saying No or resisting in anyway. Those are feelings that the individual must decide to act on, one way or another. And she decided to consent.
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r4X0r posted...

Nazanir posted...

Right, if you insist playing this game: just because she didn't say no, doesn't imply she meant yes either.

So if you don't ask a woman "Are you down with this?" and get an affirmative answer, then it's rape? That's BEYOND insane. Why don't we require paperwork. All involved parties have to sign at the dotted line to prove consent.

Very good point.
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Funbazooka posted...

r4X0r posted...

Nazanir posted...

Right, if you insist playing this game: just because she didn't say no, doesn't imply she meant yes either.

So if you don't ask a woman "Are you down with this?" and get an affirmative answer, then it's rape? That's BEYOND insane. Why don't we require paperwork. All involved parties have to sign at the dotted line to prove consent.

Very good point.

Is this a Chappelle's Show joke?
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Please, someone put this topic out of its misery
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Funbazooka posted...

r4X0r posted...

Nazanir posted...

Right, if you insist playing this game: just because she didn't say no, doesn't imply she meant yes either.

So if you don't ask a woman "Are you down with this?" and get an affirmative answer, then it's rape? That's BEYOND insane. Why don't we require paperwork. All involved parties have to sign at the dotted line to prove consent.

Very good point.

That's what makes this idea of consent and what is or is not assault so difficult. A girl can be flirting with you at work and acting like she wants to hang out, but then you say something she takes the wrong way and suddenly you have sexually harassed a coworker. How, you're not sure! It made her feel uncomfortable though so you're the bad guy.

Or when we're talking actual sex. What if she's completely into it but then later on decides she regretted it, does that become rape?

No one likes u tc stahp

r4X0r posted...

Nazanir posted...

Right, if you insist playing this game: just because she didn't say no, doesn't imply she meant yes either.

So if you don't ask a woman "Are you down with this?" and get an affirmative answer, then it's rape? That's BEYOND insane. Why don't we require paperwork. All involved parties have to sign at the dotted line to prove consent.

The point.

Your head.

I said just because she didn't say no, that doesn't mean she means yes.

Incidently, not saying yes, doesn't mean someone means no. If 70% of our communication is non verbal, is it really that much of a stretch to look at someone and see if they are anxious, uncomfortable, scared?

Also, do factor in the fact that the second guy was just randomly sprung on her, that alone changed the entire situation, why is this so hard to grasp?
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r4X0r posted...

So if you don't ask a woman "Are you down with this?" and get an affirmative answer, then it's rape?

umm yes

this has been well established

like wtf dude
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Just to ask.

If anyone here did exactly what Stallone did in the OP they would think they did nothing wrong?
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KazumaKiryu posted...

Or when we're talking actual sex. What if she's completely into it but then later on decides she regretted it, does that become rape?

ok

thought experiment

you find this girl at a bar and take her back to your place and you both begin having sex

mid sex, you being to feel very very ill, like you are going to puke

you tell her you feel bad and need to go but she is really into it and keeps going

you try to get away and she holds you down and continues

you start puking and that just makes her all the more persistent

do you not feel violated?
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Darmik posted...

Just to ask.

If anyone here did exactly what Stallone did in the OP they would think they did nothing wrong?

Nothing at all. The girl probably loved it at the time.

JimmyJumper6 posted...

Darmik posted...

Just to ask.

If anyone here did exactly what Stallone did in the OP they would think they did nothing wrong?

Nothing at all. The girl probably loved it at the time.

smfh
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KazumaKiryu posted...

UnholyMudcrab posted...

As much as I hate being that guy, I really can't trust anything coming from the Daily Mail.

Daily Mail is a legit source. It was broken to them. You can google his name now and find every other outlet reporting on it.

They cite Daily Mail as their source, though...something even wikipedia banned earlier this year.

I'm not saying it's one or the other, just, hopefully more comes out about this soon.

darkphoenix181 posted...

KazumaKiryu posted...

Or when we're talking actual sex. What if she's completely into it but then later on decides she regretted it, does that become rape?

ok

thought experiment

you find this girl at a bar and take her back to your place and you both begin having sex

mid sex, you being to feel very very ill, like you are going to puke

you tell her you feel bad and need to go but she is really into it and keeps going

you try to get away and she holds you down and continues

you start puking and that just makes her all the more persistent

do you not feel violated?

I'm wondering what this has to do with my post you quoted.

she prob took a DP too she just too embarassed to say

anyway I wasn't there but I honestly she might not have been exactly forced, more like pressured.

if she didn't say 'fuck all that i'm not suckin your bodyguard off while we fuck' then yeah that wouldn't be rape really. if she wasn't forced she wasn't forced. period. i'm sick of bitches acting like they were raped when they just are thots doing thot shit and regretting it later.
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JimmyJumper6 posted...

Darmik posted...

Just to ask.

If anyone here did exactly what Stallone did in the OP they would think they did nothing wrong?

Nothing at all. The girl probably loved it at the time.

So you would have your friend wait in the bathroom and come out during sex and just join in? You wouldn't consider that a situation where you need to 100% confirm that she wants this?
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ITS YOUT RIGHT TO FUCK 16 YEAROLDS in the state of Nevada. Just stop guys

I wonder how much longer this guy is gonna go until he gets suspended. It can't be much longer now.
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Darmik posted...

JimmyJumper6 posted...

Darmik posted...

Just to ask.

If anyone here did exactly what Stallone did in the OP they would think they did nothing wrong?

Nothing at all. The girl probably loved it at the time.

So you would have your friend wait in the bathroom and come out during sex and just join in? You wouldn't consider that a situation where you need to 100% confirm that she wants this?

she's some 16 year old thot that came to a hotel room to bang sylvester stallone after meeting him once lol.

if it was arnold and stallone she'd be bragging about it. two famous people.
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lww99 posted...

JimmyJumper6 posted...

Darmik posted...

Just to ask.

If anyone here did exactly what Stallone did in the OP they would think they did nothing wrong?

Nothing at all. The girl probably loved it at the time.

smfh

Topics like this remind you just how awful some people on CE actually are