Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 141: The Art of the Kneel

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https://twitter.com/pcsegal/status/920358891405312000

Never change, alt-right
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How does General Kelly live with still being in Trump's administration now that Trump is using his dead son to lie about Obama?
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Probably because him being in that position is what's best for America.

I hope he never leaves.
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Jakyl25 posted...

How does General Kelly live with still being in Trump's administration now that Trump is using his dead son to lie about Obama?

For reference:

Trump: Ask Kelly whether Obama called after his son was killed in action

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/17/politics/president-donald-trump-john-kelly-obama-phone-call/index.html

It looks like Kelly did get a call or letter which could give this administration a weirdly more personal spin, but also it looks like the Kelly-family sat with Michelle Obama's table a year later so it's not nothing either.
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"Rather than admit he's wrong about his claim that other presidents didn't call the families of fallen soldiers, Trump puts his own Chief of Staff in the position of either having to call his boss a liar or lie about he most painful day of his life"
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in case anyone was wondering

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/920408108194783232
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Probably an outlier, but Fox News has a poll out with Roy Moore and Doug Jones tied for AL Sen:
http://www.al.com/news/huntsville/index.ssf/2017/10/fox_news_senate_poll_doug_jone.html
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The Mana Sword posted...

in case anyone was wondering

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/920408108194783232

This makes me so fucking furious
Almost as furious as the fact that 35% of the county will end up believing that lie
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The Mana Sword posted...

in case anyone was wondering

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/920408108194783232

...Does he not know everything he does gets reported on?
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StealThisSheen posted...

...Does he not know everything he does gets reported on?

Why do you think he always says "FAKE NEWS"
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The Mana Sword posted...

in case anyone was wondering

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/920408108194783232

Too bad about congress telling him to go piss off, huh.
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NFL viewership down a good bit so far this year.
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https://amp.local10.com/news/politics/trump-speaks-to-widow-of-sgt-la-david-johnson

That is not how you console the family of a fallen soldier.
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Corrik posted...

NFL viewership down a good bit so far this year.

All television viewership is tanking tbh

Fewer and fewer people watch their content throigh a traditional cable package
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Eddv posted...

Corrik posted...

NFL viewership down a good bit so far this year.

All television viewership is tanking tbh

Fewer and fewer people watch their content throigh a traditional cable package

It is down further than it should be when taking that into effect.
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Eddv posted...

Fewer and fewer people watch their content throigh a traditional cable package

Actually the NFL in particular is the one major sport I can watch regularly without cable. I just can't watch Monday Night Football, or whatever's only shown on the NFL Network.
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I wonder if church attendance is up YOY.
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SgtSphynx posted...

https://amp.local10.com/news/politics/trump-speaks-to-widow-of-sgt-la-david-johnson

That is not how you console the family of a fallen soldier.

Trump has zero empathy
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Corrik posted...

Eddv posted...

Corrik posted...

NFL viewership down a good bit so far this year.

All television viewership is tanking tbh

Fewer and fewer people watch their content throigh a traditional cable package

It is down further than it should be when taking that into effect.

"Through six weeks (seven games), ESPN's Monday Night Football viewership is averaging 11.2 million viewers, a 6 percent increase through Week 6, as compared with last year.

Compared with the first six weeks of the 2015 season, NFL ratings are off 18.7 percent -- a sharp drop, but a smaller decline when considering the general overall fall in television viewership due to people dropping their cable packages.

Last year, the NFL attributed part of its viewership decline during the first nine weeks of the season to competition from presidential election coverage. Viewership was indeed better for the second half of the season, after the election, but still finished down 8 percent compared with 2015."

"TV viewership of NFL games was down 12.3 percent after Week 1 and had narrowed the gap to 7.3 percent after Week 5.

After Week 1 this season, each successive weeks NFL telecasts drew more fans than last season although Week 6 was the smallest year-over-year gain."

So, no, it's down about what's expected.
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#not-the-onion

http://www.newsweek.com/neo-nazi-kevin-wilshaw-quits-movement-because-jewish-gay-687301
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Reg posted...

Actually the NFL in particular is the one major sport I can watch regularly without cable. I just can't watch Monday Night Football, or whatever's only shown on the NFL Network.

A lot of people cut the cable, and didn't feel like getting an HD Antenna just for local channels. (And some places antennas won't get any reception anyway)

NFL Viewership is down for a number of reasons. Not standing for the flag is pretty low on the list. If the NFL had actually made a rule about it, you wouldn't see viewership go back up in any significant way. (Which is a big part of why they didn't cave in--it creates bad will with the players, at a small gain)

A lot of people just want to complain that people aren't worshiping the flag properly (which I presume is putting it on beer cans and wearing it as clothes. IDK anymore). They'll throw in how it DISRESPECTS SOLDIERS because that's good for some points. And that way they don't have to actually address the issues brought up by the people not standing for the flag. They're simply using the NFL's drop in viewership to promote the idea of making them shut up.
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Just read about Trump's first war widow call.

What a fucking sociopath.
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I still don't think Trump knows what he signed up for.
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thoughts on this thread, those of you who have served?

https://twitter.com/BFriedmanDC/status/920491808634888193
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I served for 10 years and deployed once, not for lack of trying. The whole "knew what he signed up for" is incorrect in many ways. No one signs up so they can die in combat. To quote Patton, the object of war is not to die for your country, it's to make the other poor bastard die for theirs. I signed up because I wanted to serve my country. Because I felt, and still do, that the values and freedoms listed in the Constitution are worth defending, with a chance that it is to the death. But to claim that it is an expectation that you will die in the service is the claim of someone who doesn't understand the military, and in this particular case, someone who doesn't actually give a fuck about any of the members of the military beyond their utility for conducting war.
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Personally, I look forward to seeing the updated opinion polls where Democrats' opinion on the military and its servicemen remains unchanged, while Republicans show a massive drop in support.
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Republicans beginning to hate the military would be one of the best possible things that could happen to this country
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SgtSphynx posted...

I served for 10 years and deployed once, not for lack of trying. The whole "knew what he signed up for" is incorrect in many ways. No one signs up so they can die in combat. To quote Patton, the object of war is not to die for your country, it's to make the other poor bastard die for theirs. I signed up because I wanted to serve my country. Because I felt, and still do, that the values and freedoms listed in the Constitution are worth defending, with a chance that it is to the death. But to claim that it is an expectation that you will die in the service is the claim of someone who doesn't understand the military, and in this particular case, someone who doesn't actually give a fuck about any of the members of the military beyond their utility for conducting war.

I think it is very weird that you are acting like "knew what he signed up for" does not mean that he joined the military to protect his country and that could entail dying for his country.

So much spin in these topics its hilarious. He never said you signed up to die. Lmfao.

Why you all can't just attack him on actual merits instead of trying to spin every last thing said to what it wasn't so that it sounds worse is funny to me.

And Republicans will never hate the military.
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Says the guy still trying to spin the NFL ratings drop as being worse than normal and because of protests
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HashtagSEP posted...

Says the guy still trying to spin the NFL ratings drop as being worse than normal and because of protests

Says the guy still spinning comments as I never mentioned protests one time and just said what espn said regarding it.

And nowhere was my comments disproven.
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Corrik posted...

Why you all can't just attack him on actual merits instead of trying to spin every last thing said to what it wasn't so that it sounds worse is funny to me.

Do you think it was an appropriate thing to tell a grieving person?
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Jakyl25 posted...

Corrik posted...

Why you all can't just attack him on actual merits instead of trying to spin every last thing said to what it wasn't so that it sounds worse is funny to me.

Do you think it was an appropriate thing to tell a grieving person?

I think it is commonly said, isn't it? Doesn't it usually go along the lines of he was a brave american. He knew what he was signing up for and never waivered at the fact he may have to lay his life on the line for his country. That is how much he believed in our country and how bravely he fought to defend his country and the values it stands for.

I mean, I am obviously going rather vaguely from memory here, but I believe saying a soldier knew what he signed up for or roughly that comment is said to signify bravery.

I mean, obviously he didn't do a good job conveying that properly with demeanor or delivery if the widow took it so harshly.

However, I do believe the rough makeup of that comment has been used quite a few times.
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Corrik posted...

I mean, obviously he didn't do a good job conveying that properly with demeanor or delivery if the widow took it so harshly.

This is ultimately the issue

Why does he struggle so much with communication?
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he lacks the ability to empathize and his narcissism prevents him from even being able to fake it
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Jakyl25 posted...

Corrik posted...

I mean, obviously he didn't do a good job conveying that properly with demeanor or delivery if the widow took it so harshly.

This is ultimately the issue

Why does he struggle so much with communication?

Who knows. I mean, I wasn't on the phone with them. Maybe he did convey it well; and she just took it wrong because she is in an irrational state.

That said, I doubt he conveyed it well. This lack of ability to mince words right has become super common so far with him.
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though

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/920611770775064576

will we ever see this proof

or is this more 'obama wiretapped me' proof
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If George W. Bush had told my mom that when my dad was killed in action, I think she'd have been investigated by the secret service. Because there's no way she wouldn't have flown off the handle at that. It's a callous remark to make toward someone who recently lost a loved one.

Imagine someone saying it to a cop's family, who was shot in the line of duty. "He knew what he signed up for." No matter how you say it, it's callous.

Corrik posted...

I think it is commonly said, isn't it?

To their former compatriots by other former compatriots, maybe. Not to widows.
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I guess my follow up question is, how do members still in the military or secret service take his callousness? Obviously they care far more about the country than about him. But if they know that the commander in chief doesn't give a flying fuck about them, how does that impact the order of command in combat scenarios for the generals?

Again, i have never served, and the only immediate family who did was an uncle who died as a civilian when i was still a child. But I'm curious about how much the generals will push back against anything he orders, with the knowledge that he gives zero fucks about their soldiers.
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https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/920606910109356032

The NFL has decided that it will not force players to stand for the playing of our National Anthem. Total disrespect for our great country!

Again, phrasing

"Forcing" people
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SmartMuffin posted...

Republicans beginning to hate the military would be one of the best possible things that could happen to this country

a muffin post in the politics containment topic i agree with? what's going on here?
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Never thought Republicans would love Russia either but here we are
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FFDragon posted...

though

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/920611770775064576

will we ever see this proof

At first I was like "oh Trump said something insensitive again, whatever" but I'm signing the fuck up to further development of this story now, consider me officially hooked.
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https://vault.fbi.gov/drafts-of-director-comeys-july-5-2016-statement-regarding-email-server-investigation/Drafts%20of%20Director%20Comeys%20July% 205%2C%202016%20Statement%20Regarding%20Email%20Server%20Investigation%20Part%2001%20of%2001/view

So this is the document that Trump is saying proves that Comey made up his mind about the email investigation before they were done investigating.

Knowing Trump is President, I'm sure he could get the unclassified version.

But that then means one of two things: he's either going on basically no information (because drafting a statement doesn't mean anything) or he just revealed classified information over Twitter.
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Your link broke, by the way.

And it's the official white house position that the president can declassify whatever he wants, whenever he wants.
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Peace___Frog posted...

I guess my follow up question is, how do members still in the military or secret service take his callousness? Obviously they care far more about the country than about him. But if they know that the commander in chief doesn't give a flying fuck about them, how does that impact the order of command in combat scenarios for the generals?

Again, i have never served, and the only immediate family who did was an uncle who died as a civilian when i was still a child. But I'm curious about how much the generals will push back against anything he orders, with the knowledge that he gives zero fucks about their soldiers.

Literal 0. Even considering the idea that US army generals would commit actual treason because they don't like the character of the CiC is batshit insane.
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There are those reports that Tillerson and Mattis and Kelly have discussed whether or not they should physically tackle the President if he tries to launch nukes
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Terastodon posted...

Peace___Frog posted...

I guess my follow up question is, how do members still in the military or secret service take his callousness? Obviously they care far more about the country than about him. But if they know that the commander in chief doesn't give a flying fuck about them, how does that impact the order of command in combat scenarios for the generals?

Again, i have never served, and the only immediate family who did was an uncle who died as a civilian when i was still a child. But I'm curious about how much the generals will push back against anything he orders, with the knowledge that he gives zero fucks about their soldiers.

Literal 0. Even considering the idea that US army generals would commit actual treason because they don't like the character of the CiC is batshit insane.

Fair. I know I'm being fantastical with imagining worst case scenarios.

Edit: to clarify, i don't mean to suggest that they'd straight up ignore direct orders. Just wondering how much they might attempt to change his mind in private.
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Peace___Frog posted...

Your link broke, by the way.

And it's the official white house position that the president can declassify whatever he wants, whenever he wants.

Had to break it because gamefaqs, just delete the space.

So you think that's more likely though?
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In general, I think the possibility of a coup is damn near zero. That said, there is evidence of military leaders ignoring Trump's orders, which isn't a coup, but is a dangerous precedent. While the ability to refuse unlawful orders exists, I would not be surprised if there is an explicit list of what constitutes an unlawful order if that order is from the President. Don't get me wrong, I am happy that some of his orders are being ignored, it lessens the bad he can do, but that doesn't make them doing that 'right". The issue with the precedent it sets is that they are ignoring orders that aren't tactically important in the grand scheme of things. What is to stop them from ignoring an order that actually matters tactically? From Trump or even a future president? The one comfort here is that I trust the military leaders to actually act in the best interest of the country when compared to Trump, but that is a very fragile comfort.
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