Poll of the Day > Do you agree with Donald Trump that the NFL should make a rule against kneeling?

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lmao
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Can I just watch football without having to think about politics?

Does politics now have to ruin everything I do?
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yes
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I could care less what the players do during the national anthem. Stand, kneel, do jumping jacks, whatever. People get bent out of shape for the dumbest shit.
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They didnt even air the national anthem except at the superbowl until people started kneeling for it

trump is playing the NFL like a damn fiddle
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The NFL needs to require all players to kneel before Zod.

Smarkil posted...

Can I just watch football without having to think about politics?

Does politics now have to ruin everything I do?

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If they made a rule against showboating, they SHOULD have a rule against taking the knee. Both are unprofessional conduct.
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There is no need for such laws in a free society. This used to be a strength of our country, that we would not compel patriotism. Now I guess North Korea is our model.

Yes

Smarkil posted...

Can I just watch football without having to think about politics?

I agree. Let's just stop playing the national anthem in front of sporting events.
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No, I don't see why the national anthem needs to be played at something as frivolous as a sports game anyway.

Keep in mind that a couple large parts to Trump lashing out at the NFL are 1) the action that the NFL took in 1990 to bar Trump from receiving any NFL franchise, and 2) his clear and present racism.

<_<
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MICHALECOLE posted...

They didnt even air the national anthem except at the superbowl until people started kneeling for it

i'm sure they did, but just didn't televise it. otherwise Kapernick wouldn't be making headlines. when was the last time his team was in the superbowl?
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It doesn't offend me if players kneel. I assume that the people who are offended can just stop watching and showing up to games, and if the NFL starts losing too much money, they'll do something about the kneeling.

OmegaM posted...

It doesn't offend me if players kneel. I assume that the people who are offended can just stop watching and showing up to games, and if the NFL starts losing too much money, they'll do something about the kneeling.

I wouldn't say it offends me, I don't feel that strongly about it, but I do find it unprofessional to bring protest/politics into your workplace, unless the protest is about something dealing with your job. I mean if these guys where protesting on say twitter or other social media, i'd give zero fucks.

on the other hand though if NFL wants to allow it, thats the NFL's choice they are the bosses of said workplace.
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Compelled loyalty/patriotism isn't true loyalty/patriotism, so no. If you mandate it, you're defeating the entire point.

It's kind of like that baseball diamond that used to (or maybe still does, I'm not a baseball guy) force everyone to remain in their seats while they played God Bless America. No better way to celebrate freedom than by taking it away from people for a couple minutes, right?
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Since the kneeling isn't unpatriotic or about disrespecting the military, no.
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impatientperson posted...

Smarkil posted...

Can I just watch football without having to think about politics?

I agree. Let's just stop playing the national anthem in front of sporting events.

Lol for real. Just as unnecessary as saying the pledge of allegiance in school every day.
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Why is the POTUS focusing at all on the NFL and how people position their bodies on their legs for a song? And not at all focused on the millions of American citizens without electricity or potable water?
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SunWuKung420 posted...

Since the kneeling isn't unpatriotic or about disrespecting the military, no.

Right stance, wrong reasons.

I find it funny people are referring to racism as "politics".

Smarkil posted...

Can I just watch football without having to think about politics?

Does politics now have to ruin everything I do?

this
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BlackScythe0 posted...

I find it funny people are referring to racism as "politics".

Very true
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ArctheLad13 posted...

BlackScythe0 posted...

I find it funny people are referring to racism as "politics".

Very true

well people like to believe Trump magically made half the country racist. so thats how politics tie in I suppose.
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mooreandrew58 posted...

well people like to believe Trump magically made half the country racist.

lololol
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Currant_Kaiser posted...

SunWuKung420 posted...

Since the kneeling isn't unpatriotic or about disrespecting the military, no.

Right stance, wrong reasons.

The kneeling started for very valid reasons.
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mooreandrew58 posted...

MICHALECOLE posted...

They didnt even air the national anthem except at the superbowl until people started kneeling for it

i'm sure they did, but just didn't televise it. otherwise Kapernick wouldn't be making headlines. when was the last time his team was in the superbowl?

Do you know what the word "air" means in this instance?

Anyway, it's nice that Donny can continue ignoring the actual issues this country faces while he gets his brain-dead base riled up over nothing
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PuddingBoy posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

MICHALECOLE posted...

They didnt even air the national anthem except at the superbowl until people started kneeling for it

i'm sure they did, but just didn't televise it. otherwise Kapernick wouldn't be making headlines. when was the last time his team was in the superbowl?

Do you know what the word "air" means in this instance?

Anyway, it's nice that Donny can continue ignoring the actual issues this country faces while he gets his brain-dead base riled up over nothing

sorry misread what you said.re reading it now, I have no fucking clue where my mind was at the time
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Doctor Foxx posted...

Why is the POTUS focusing at all on the NFL and how people position their bodies on their legs for a song? And not at all focused on the millions of American citizens without electricity or potable water?

why do people go to WAR??? we should just LOVE each OTHER

#imwithher
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DirtBasedSoap posted...

Doctor Foxx posted...

Why is the POTUS focusing at all on the NFL and how people position their bodies on their legs for a song? And not at all focused on the millions of American citizens without electricity or potable water?

why do people go to WAR??? we should just LOVE each OTHER

#imwithher

You mock but what he suggests would probably give people a sense of real patriotism. When you come at issues mandating that people love the country then it leads to people despising it. It's why Soviet Russia and North Korea suck so much balls.

SunWuKung420 posted...

Since the kneeling isn't unpatriotic or about disrespecting the military, no.

Right?
The whole idea of kneeling during the anthem was that it was half-respectful, it's not completely disrespectful or anything else.

wah_wah_wah posted...

DirtBasedSoap posted...

Doctor Foxx posted...

Why is the POTUS focusing at all on the NFL and how people position their bodies on their legs for a song? And not at all focused on the millions of American citizens without electricity or potable water?

why do people go to WAR??? we should just LOVE each OTHER

#imwithher

You mock but what he suggests would probably give people a sense of real patriotism. When you come at issues mandating that people love the country then it leads to people despising it. It's why Soviet Russia and North Korea suck so much balls.

I do feel like pride in the country should be encouraged though. when people are prideful they try harder to make it the best, because they want it to be the best.
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mooreandrew58 posted...

wah_wah_wah posted...

DirtBasedSoap posted...

Doctor Foxx posted...

Why is the POTUS focusing at all on the NFL and how people position their bodies on their legs for a song? And not at all focused on the millions of American citizens without electricity or potable water?

why do people go to WAR??? we should just LOVE each OTHER

#imwithher

You mock but what he suggests would probably give people a sense of real patriotism. When you come at issues mandating that people love the country then it leads to people despising it. It's why Soviet Russia and North Korea suck so much balls.

I do feel like pride in the country should be encouraged though. when people are prideful they try harder to make it the best, because they want it to be the best.

I don't think people should be encouraged to feel anything but what they feel. If they feel left out, they are welcome to demonstrate those feelings instead of denying them. At the extreme end of this "friendly encouragement" are prohibitive laws that mandate speech be a certain way. In the end these laws fail because you can't get anyone to feel anything by the use of force. That's just not how humans work.

wah_wah_wah posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

wah_wah_wah posted...

DirtBasedSoap posted...

Doctor Foxx posted...

Why is the POTUS focusing at all on the NFL and how people position their bodies on their legs for a song? And not at all focused on the millions of American citizens without electricity or potable water?

why do people go to WAR??? we should just LOVE each OTHER

#imwithher

You mock but what he suggests would probably give people a sense of real patriotism. When you come at issues mandating that people love the country then it leads to people despising it. It's why Soviet Russia and North Korea suck so much balls.

I do feel like pride in the country should be encouraged though. when people are prideful they try harder to make it the best, because they want it to be the best.

I don't think people should be encouraged to feel anything but what they feel. If they feel left out, they are welcome to demonstrate those feelings instead of denying them. At the extreme end of this "friendly encouragement" are prohibitive laws that mandate speech be a certain way. In the end these laws fail because you can't get anyone to feel anything by the use of force. That's just not how humans work.

well I wasn't talking anything forced, just you know as I said encouraged, no incentive/punishment or anything. basically just try to make being patriotic look appealing. you won't win over everyone, but you tried and didn't step on anyones toes in the process.

and stuff like that has been done before. the creation of captain america was said to try and increase patriotism in children.
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mooreandrew58 posted...

well I wasn't talking anything forced, just you know as I said encouraged, no incentive/punishment or anything. basically just try to make being patriotic look appealing. you won't win over everyone, but you tried and didn't step on anyones toes in the process

Couple this with putting people on watch lists for dissent with this current government and that's not acting with the intent of fostering any kind of national pride. That's some pretty totalitarian nonsense.
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mooreandrew58 posted...

well I wasn't talking anything forced, just you know as I said encouraged, no incentive/punishment or anything. basically just try to make being patriotic look appealing. you won't win over everyone, but you tried and didn't step on anyones toes in the process.

You can't encourage people to feel anything different than what they feel. Particularly if you choose not to address the problems that leave them feeling this way.

Doctor Foxx posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

well I wasn't talking anything forced, just you know as I said encouraged, no incentive/punishment or anything. basically just try to make being patriotic look appealing. you won't win over everyone, but you tried and didn't step on anyones toes in the process

Couple this with putting people on watch lists for dissent with this current government and that's not acting with the intent of fostering any kind of national pride. That's some pretty totalitarian nonsense.

I don't agree with putting people on lists for shit like that.
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mooreandrew58 posted...

I do find it unprofessional to bring protest/politics into your workplace

Like playing the national anthem before work?
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Nope.
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obama was gonna take all our guns away too
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HelIWithoutSin posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

I do find it unprofessional to bring protest/politics into your workplace

Like playing the national anthem before work?

you missed my other points didn't you, the part where I said its the NFL's decision as they are technically the boss. so at the end of the day, while I might not care for it, I don't care enough to lose my shit over it.
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mooreandrew58 posted...

HelIWithoutSin posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

I do find it unprofessional to bring protest/politics into your workplace

Like playing the national anthem before work?

you missed my other points didn't you, the part where I said its the NFL's decision as they are technically the boss. so at the end of the day, while I might not care for it, I don't care enough to lose my shit over it.

Should the national anthem be played before work over twitter then?
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HelIWithoutSin posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

HelIWithoutSin posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

I do find it unprofessional to bring protest/politics into your workplace

Like playing the national anthem before work?

you missed my other points didn't you, the part where I said its the NFL's decision as they are technically the boss. so at the end of the day, while I might not care for it, I don't care enough to lose my shit over it.

Should the national anthem be played before work over twitter then?

should it? no, would I care? no. I had to go through it one school year and I survived just fine, had to stand for the anthem every morning before 1st period started. and I do mean the anthem not the pledge. (school was like 50% military kids)
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SunWuKung420 posted...

Currant_Kaiser posted...

SunWuKung420 posted...

Since the kneeling isn't unpatriotic or about disrespecting the military, no.

Right stance, wrong reasons.

The kneeling started for very valid reasons.

No, I'm saying that even if the kneeling was patriotic or done in disrespect to the military it still wouldn't be a valid reason to get all bent out of shape over it.

mooreandrew58 posted...

HelIWithoutSin posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

HelIWithoutSin posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

I do find it unprofessional to bring protest/politics into your workplace

Like playing the national anthem before work?

you missed my other points didn't you, the part where I said its the NFL's decision as they are technically the boss. so at the end of the day, while I might not care for it, I don't care enough to lose my shit over it.

Should the national anthem be played before work over twitter then?

should it? no, would I care? no. I had to go through it one school year and I survived just fine, had to stand for the anthem every morning before 1st period started. and I do mean the anthem not the pledge. (school was like 50% military kids)

And you found that to be unprofessional, right?
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What does sports have to do with nationality?
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So if you ok with kneeling - would you be ok if they took it even further? What if they started ********* during the anthem?
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PowerSurgeX posted...

So if you ok with kneeling - would you be ok if they took it even further? What if they started ********* during the anthem?

Censoring yourself makes it impossible to determine whatever point you're trying to make. Secondly, the kneeling is not a sign of disrespect. It's being done to bring to light that there are population sectors that don't experience "justice for all", you know a governing principle of America.
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