Current Events > LIVE: Protesters walking through streets, attempting to shut down highway.

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Mal_Fet posted...

Darklit_Minuet posted...

They're protesting a killer.

A guy who killed an armed drug dealer who endangered the lives of several people in a high-speed chase.

Context, bro.

The gun had none of the victim's DNA on it, only the cop's DNA.

The rest seems like it was caused by the cops. Stop enforcing draconian laws against drugs, and stop doing high speed chases

metralo posted...

good. there's no reason that cop should be getting off and st louis better prep for some buildings being burnt the fuck down.

"We're mad, let's burn down our neighborhood."

That'll show'em.
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Darklit_Minuet posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

Darklit_Minuet posted...

They're protesting a killer.

A guy who killed an armed drug dealer who endangered the lives of several people in a high-speed chase.

Context, bro.

The gun had none of the victim's DNA on it, only the cop's DNA.

The rest seems like it was caused by the cops. Stop enforcing draconian laws against drugs, and stop doing high speed chases

It was already pointed out that testimony by multiple independent experts, not affiliated with the prosecution or defense, revealed lack of DNA evidence does not mean a person never held the gun. It isn't always transferable to items, more particularly to some weapons.

The individual that was killed had a lengthy history of charges, including weapons violations and refused to pull over for officers which led them on a high speed chase.

The only conclusion I can draw from your statements is you want criminals to run free, and officers to not pursue them if they decide to flee. What a joke that is.

And I'm sure you also hold the notion that the officer was RACIST, despite the criminal's actions and behavior throughout his life, and ultimately leading up to and including his death.

But no, a law biding civil servant should go down for first degree murder in your eyes.
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Capn Circus posted...

It was already pointed out that testimony by multiple independent experts, not affiliated with the prosecution or defense, revealed lack of DNA evidence does not mean a person never held the gun. It isn't always transferable to items, more particularly to some weapons.

You know what we can prove? That the gun had the killer's DNA on it. Clearly it means he planted it

Capn Circus posted...

The individual that was killed had a lengthy history of charges, including weapons violations and refused to pull over for officers which led them on a high speed chase.

None of which deserves death

Capn Circus posted...

The only conclusion I can draw from your statements is you want criminals to run free, and officers to not pursue them if they decide to flee. What a joke that is.

High speed chases are outlawed in many places because they cause danger. Letting him flee and then arresting him at his home would have been far safer. But no, let's put the public in danger because the cops want to ruin more lives because they hate drugs

Capn Circus posted...

And I'm sure you also hold the notion that the officer was RACIST, despite the criminal's actions and behavior throughout his life, and ultimately leading up to and including his death.

Race is completely irrelevant here. Cops should simply not kill people.

Capn Circus posted...

But no, a law biding civil servant should go down for first degree murder in your eyes.

A killer should be held responsible for killing someone.

Capn Circus posted...

The individual that was killed had a lengthy history of charges, including weapons violations and refused to pull over for officers which led them on a high speed chase.

The cop in question lied about what happen and didn't follow the order of the commanding officer. Wait he didn't comply with the cops. Normally people like yourself say people should be shot for that.
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cjsdowg posted...

Funny they were looking for a riot and when people don't do they they find anything at all to bitch about. Yet these same people bitching about the protest or okay with the killing.

There's already been windows and property destroyed, though minimal damage compared to "protests" under Obama. A few officers have been sent to the hospital due to bricks being thrown at them.

Overall its a better situation, but certainly not ideal. You can check out any live feed right now and determine many of these people are unruly.
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Why don't these people protest actual abuses from cops instead of glorifying these loser criminals? It's always a drug dealer and they're always resisting arrest. There are actual examples of police brutality that they should be protesting, but nope, they pick the biggest pieces of shit who were actually attacking cops or violently resisting arrest to go crazy about.

This is why almost nobody takes Black Lives Matter seriously.

And then they say every incident happened because the criminal was black and the cop was racist. Like by default, they claim racism after every shooting. With no evidence. Was the cop yelling the N word as he gunned him down? Did they find KKK robes in his closet? Imagine being a white cop dealing with a black criminal, and having to be afraid to defend yourself because you will then be vilified and have your life ruined.
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Darklit_Minuet posted...

Capn Circus posted...

It was already pointed out that testimony by multiple independent experts, not affiliated with the prosecution or defense, revealed lack of DNA evidence does not mean a person never held the gun. It isn't always transferable to items, more particularly to some weapons.

You know what we can prove? That the gun had the killer's DNA on it. Clearly it means he planted it

Capn Circus posted...

The individual that was killed had a lengthy history of charges, including weapons violations and refused to pull over for officers which led them on a high speed chase.

None of which deserves death

Capn Circus posted...

The only conclusion I can draw from your statements is you want criminals to run free, and officers to not pursue them if they decide to flee. What a joke that is.

High speed chases are outlawed in many places because they cause danger. Letting him flee and then arresting him at his home would have been far safer. But no, let's put the public in danger because the cops want to ruin more lives because they hate drugs

Capn Circus posted...

And I'm sure you also hold the notion that the officer was RACIST, despite the criminal's actions and behavior throughout his life, and ultimately leading up to and including his death.

Race is completely irrelevant here. Cops should simply not kill people.

Capn Circus posted...

But no, a law biding civil servant should go down for first degree murder in your eyes.

A killer should be held responsible for killing someone.

That post is only filled with your personal opinion conjecture; not facts, not laws, not evidence or anything having to do with the trial. The most ridiculous statement is, "Cops should simply not kill people"--as if they should never defend themselves.

You and a few others are giving the benefit of the doubt to a known criminal versus a righteous contributor of society serving as a law enforcement officer. Not only that, but a criminal who was fleeing police at the time of his death. But the officer should be convicted of first degree murder? Give me a break.

I'm glad justice prevailed today. And hopefully every last one of the unruly property destroyers and police assaulters face hefty consequences.
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Darklit_Minuet posted...

You know what we can prove? That the gun had the killer's DNA on it. Clearly it means he planted it

It's a conspiracy!!!
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Capn Circus posted...

You and a few others are giving the benefit of the doubt to a known criminal versus a righteous contributor of society serving as a law enforcement officer. Not only that, but a criminal who was fleeing police at the time of his death. But the officer should be convicted of first degree murder? Give me a break.

I'm giving the benefit of the doubt to the person who hasn't killed someone over the one that has.

It was literally premeditated. He quite literally said that he was "going to kill this motherfucker, don't you know it". Why are you defending premeditated murder?

YodaCrackers posted...

Why don't these people protest actual abuses from cops instead of glorifying these loser criminals? It's always a drug dealer and they're always resisting arrest. There are actual examples of police brutality that they should be protesting, but nope, they pick the biggest pieces of shit who were actually attacking cops or violently resisting arrest to go crazy about.

This is why almost nobody takes Black Lives Matter seriously.

And then they say every incident happened because the criminal was black and the cop was racist. Like by default, they claim racism after every shooting. With no evidence. Was the cop yelling the N word as he gunned him down? Did they find KKK robes in his closet? Imagine being a white cop dealing with a black criminal, and having to be afraid to defend yourself because you will then be vilified and have your life ruined.

His Fellow Cops have said he was guilty.
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@Mal_Fet posted...

Zeeak4444 posted...

Please enlighten me where I'm wrong because in my state law enforcement aren't supposed to unload a suspects weapon because its tampering with fucking evidence.

I'm rather certain you're wrong.

You're the one claiming that's tampering with evidence, so how about you prove it?

http://www.crime-scene-investigator.net/crime-scene-procedures.html

Here's a basic overview. What you're saying is the shooting officer should be treated as a criminal investigator. That's false, there's a reason they're supposed to call the detectives. There's nothing specifically saying they can't because that falls under basic tampering of evidence.

I don't know if your just assuming he's allowed or what but that's the facts of my state. Like I said idk about that one but I'd laugh if it's any different.
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Looking at the timeline of events, it looks justified to me. It doesn't matter if a cop said something in the lines of "I'm going to kill this asshole". The criminal backed his car into the police car twice and clipped his hand and nearly ran over him. People say things out of anger and it doesn't make it premeditated.

What happened was unfortunate, but it doesn't take away from the criminal past. He was on parole for gun & drug charges. I find it unsurprising that some people would rather believe he didn't have a gun as opposed to having one, despite his gun charges in the past, while selling heroin. Because heroin dealer would feel safe dealing heroin unarmed.

He had a gun on him. He was on parole. He was dealing heroin. He nearly ran a police officer over and then lead them on a dangerous chase, where he resisted arrest and tried to pull a gun on a police officer. And now you have a bunch of people out there protesting because a criminal got killed and the police officer didn't get charged. Good luck trying to convince the world you're doing the right thing by defending a criminal.
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GreatEvilEmpire posted...

Looking at the timeline of events, it looks justified to me. It doesn't matter if a cop said something in the lines of "I'm going to kill this a******". The criminal backed his car into the police car twice and clipped his hand and nearly ran over him. People say things out of anger and it doesn't make it premeditated.

Saying you are going to kill someone then killing them is premeditated. The cop even claimed he didn't remember saying it.

He had a gun on him. He was on parole. He was dealing heroin. He nearly ran a police officer over and then lead them on a dangerous chase, where he resisted arrest and tried to pull a gun on a police officer. And now you have a bunch of people out there protesting because a criminal got killed and the police officer didn't get charged. Good luck trying to convince the world you're doing the right thing by defending a criminal.

A gun that didn't have his DNA on it , but had cops DNA on it. The cop disoberied orders lie about other aspects of the case. but you take his word for what happen.
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@Zeeak4444 posted...

@Mal_Fet posted...

Zeeak4444 posted...

Please enlighten me where I'm wrong because in my state law enforcement aren't supposed to unload a suspects weapon because its tampering with fucking evidence.

I'm rather certain you're wrong.

You're the one claiming that's tampering with evidence, so how about you prove it?

http://www.crime-scene-investigator.net/crime-scene-procedures.html

Here's a basic overview. What you're saying is the shooting officer should be treated as a criminal investigator. That's false, there's a reason they're supposed to call the detectives. There's nothing specifically saying they can't because that falls under basic tampering of evidence.

I don't know if your just assuming he's allowed or what but that's the facts of my state. Like I said idk about that one but I'd laugh if it's any different.

So what I've gathered here is there's no indication that an officer unloading a gun for safety purposes qualifies as tampering evidence in any of the relevant parts of that link, and your vagueness in your response here probably means you didn't even bother to look into your own source to even see if you were right or wrong.

Is that right?
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I don't care if the dude was pedophile rapist Hitler. The cop said he was going to kill him and we only have the cop's word that a gun was pulled on him.

Lawyers need to stop going for first degree murder off the bat for every bad cop. We might actually get some behind bars if we started smaller, though I guess that could also backfire and help them get off even more.
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hockeybub89 posted...

I don't care if the dude was pedophile rapist Hitler. The cop said he was going to kill him

How come you always take turns of phrase literally whenever they're used by people you dislike?
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You don't have the right to block a highway. As mentioned above if you get hit by a car or cause an accident while blocking a highway you're the one at fault and you're the one who will be charged with a criminal offense. And what if someone dies in an ambulance waiting on a highway because it's blocked? Will that help your cause?
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Chev427BB posted...

You don't have the right to block a highway. As mentioned above if you get hit by a car or cause an accident while blocking a highway you're the one at fault and you're the one who will be charged with a criminal offense. And what if someone dies in an ambulance waiting on a highway because it's blocked? Will that help your cause?

of course, Antifa will never see it that way. I bet if they caused an accident, they would blame the driver for not seeing them even though nobody would expect people to be on the freeway. Antifa would even surround the car after the accident and try to break in and kill the driver for revenge

metralo posted...

thanosibe posted...

Omnislasher posted...

metralo posted...

good. there's no reason that cop should be getting off and st louis better prep for some buildings being burnt the fuck down.

Shit posters advocating violence and destruction of other people's property...... yeah I'm on CE.

how else are you going to get things to change? when people in positions of power don't even get a slap on the wrist for murdering somebody AND planting fake evidence then what are you supposed to do? just take it?

The charges were dismissed because there wasn't sufficient evidence to convict. What would be satisfactory for you? Do you wish that people would be convicted without evidence?
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Get out the street!

Zeeak4444 posted...

Antifar posted...

About the case in question:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/09/15/st-louis-tenses-for-verdict-in-murder-trial-of-former-police-officer/?utm_term=.d95283da69e6

According to the probable cause statement, Stockley was caught saying he was "going to kill this motherfucker, don't you know it" and was heard telling another officer to drive into Smith's slowing car.

The court document, submitted by the St. Louis circuit attorney, said Stockley then approached Smith's window and fired five times into the car, hitting Smith "with each shot" and killing him. In addition, prosecutors say, there was a gun found in Smith's car, but it was later determined to only have DNA from Stockley.

Judge Timothy Wilson, the circuit judge who heard the case in a bench trial, acquitted Stockley on the murder charge as well as a charge of armed criminal action in a 30-page order released Friday morning.

Wilson wrote that he was "simply not firmly convinced" of Stockley's guilt, saying that "agonizingly," he went over the case's evidence repeatedly. Ultimately, Wilson said, he was not convinced that the state proved beyond a reasonable doubt that Stockley "did not act in self-defense," as the former officer had said.

Yup, only CEs typical red hat circle jerk will defend this.

The bolded part is hearsay...
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PonyLivesMatter posted...

Get out the street!

Yeah won't someone think of the poor streets .
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hockeybub89 posted...

I don't care if the dude was pedophile rapist Hitler. The cop said he was going to kill him and we only have the cop's word that a gun was pulled on him.

Lawyers need to stop going for first degree murder off the bat for every bad cop. We might actually get some behind bars if we started smaller, though I guess that could also backfire and help them get off even more.

That's pretty much my views on the case. The prosecutors keep overshooting for convictions to make themselves look good or to make a name for themselves. This is why Zimmerman got off as well. Instead of looking for a lesser charge, they picked something they couldn't prove because the other witness is dead
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1. I read someone say "the gun required a firmer grip to unload" do we know what type of gun it was?

2. After you shoot and kill a guy, you don't unload the gun he had (his words). You move it.
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I hope that if a riot happens they just burn down the court house or police station, not random 7-11s and walmarts that have nothing to do with the case.

Come on, society. Learn how to efficiently riot. Destroying things and people innocent and unrelated to the problem doesnt help >_>

Not that I condone such things. But hey, if people must riot, at least make a statement. <_<
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Ending up being a riot again, how sad. Hope the officers recover quickly.
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Zikten posted...

of course, Antifa will never see it that way. I bet if they caused an accident, they would blame the driver for not seeing them even though nobody would expect people to be on the freeway. Antifa would even surround the car after the accident and try to break in and kill the driver for revenge

They would say their actions of breaking his window, dragging him out and beating him to death as an armed mob of 20 or more (not a single member of Antifa would ever fight someone one on one or without weapons) were in self defence too.
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Spooking posted...

How are these people able to leave their jobs to protest like this?

Because people don't have 168 hour work weeks.
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Glass_Phantom posted...

Good. Protest because you can. Rights not exercised are quickly lost.

You don't have the right to block a public roadway.
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metralo posted...

good. there's no reason that cop should be getting off and st louis better prep for some buildings being burnt the fuck down.

Yeah, that's a perfectly fine reaction, lets destroy property of people who have nothing to do with what is going on here.
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1NfamousACE_2 posted...

2. After you shoot and kill a guy, you don't unload the gun he had (his words). You move it.

Lol yea ok Mr. Expert In Police Procedure, care to back that one up?
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Mal_Fet posted...

1NfamousACE_2 posted...

2. After you shoot and kill a guy, you don't unload the gun he had (his words). You move it.

Lol yea ok Mr. Expert In Police Procedure, care to back that one up?

If he's dead, you don't have to worry about him getting the gun. Simply moving it is fine. If it's semi auto, then you unload the mag. But a .38? Most likely a revolver
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1NfamousACE_2 posted...

If he's dead, you don't have to worry about him getting the gun.

How about bystanders
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Mal_Fet posted...

1NfamousACE_2 posted...

If he's dead, you don't have to worry about him getting the gun.

How about bystanders

Yea... because that's happened
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1NfamousACE_2 posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

1NfamousACE_2 posted...

2. After you shoot and kill a guy, you don't unload the gun he had (his words). You move it.

Lol yea ok Mr. Expert In Police Procedure, care to back that one up?

If he's dead, you don't have to worry about him getting the gun. Simply moving it is fine. If it's semi auto, then you unload the mag. But a .38? Most likely a revolver

So you're still, I assume, insisting the gun was planted?

It's baffling some of you will actually believe a known criminal fleeing police couldn't possibly have had a gun.

Anyway, people who know much more about this case and have more experience than we do determined the officer shouldn't go down for first degree murder. People should get over it and stop destroying people's property and burning down cities over thugs.
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1NfamousACE_2 posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

1NfamousACE_2 posted...

If he's dead, you don't have to worry about him getting the gun.

How about bystanders

Yea... because that's happened

Probably not often, since the police are supposed to neutralize criminals' firearms.
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Mal_Fet posted...

1NfamousACE_2 posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

1NfamousACE_2 posted...

If he's dead, you don't have to worry about him getting the gun.

How about bystanders

Yea... because that's happened

Probably not often, since the police are supposed to neutralize criminals' firearms.

They could use gloves to not taint the evidence. Then his DNA wouldn't be the only one found on it. If one set of DNA is on a weapon, clearly that person is the one who it belonged to

Capn Circus posted...

1NfamousACE_2 posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

1NfamousACE_2 posted...

2. After you shoot and kill a guy, you don't unload the gun he had (his words). You move it.

Lol yea ok Mr. Expert In Police Procedure, care to back that one up?

If he's dead, you don't have to worry about him getting the gun. Simply moving it is fine. If it's semi auto, then you unload the mag. But a .38? Most likely a revolver

So you're still, I assume, insisting the gun was planted?

It's baffling some of you will actually believe a known criminal fleeing police couldn't possibly have had a gun.

Anyway, people who know much more about this case and have more experience than we do determined the officer shouldn't go down for first degree murder. People should get over it and stop destroying people's property and burning down cities over thugs.

I do believe it was planted. You mean to tell me his prints aren't on any of the bullets or gun?
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Capn Circus posted...

It's baffling some of you will actually believe a known criminal fleeing police couldn't possibly have had a gun.

Kinda like believing a cop saying he's going to kill someone didn't actually mean it when he killed the person?
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Darklit_Minuet posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

1NfamousACE_2 posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

1NfamousACE_2 posted...

If he's dead, you don't have to worry about him getting the gun.

How about bystanders

Yea... because that's happened

Probably not often, since the police are supposed to neutralize criminals' firearms.

They could use gloves to not taint the evidence. Then his DNA wouldn't be the only one found on it. If one set of DNA is on a weapon, clearly that person is the one who it belonged to

Not according to science.
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Mal_Fet posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

I don't care if the dude was pedophile rapist Hitler. The cop said he was going to kill him

How come you always take turns of phrase literally whenever they're used by people you dislike?

He literally killed him though. There is only evidence of him handling the gun and he ignored his superiors.

Like I said, prosecutors need to stop going after first degree murder convictions for police shootings. They might actually win sometimes.
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http://www.fox2now.com/2017/09/16/st-louis-police-10-law-enforcement-officers-injured-in-protests/amp/

Police made a point of distinguishing between demonstrators who were largely peaceful, and “agitators” who were behind property damage and the assaults on law enforcement.

Can we stop always pretending most protesters are rioters?
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Darklit_Minuet posted...

They could use gloves to not taint the evidence. Then his DNA wouldn't be the only one found on it. If one set of DNA is on a weapon, clearly that person is the one who it belonged to

Wait, so you think it wouldn't have counted as tampering with evidence of be just used gloves?
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Mal_Fet posted...

Darklit_Minuet posted...

They could use gloves to not taint the evidence. Then his DNA wouldn't be the only one found on it. If one set of DNA is on a weapon, clearly that person is the one who it belonged to

Wait, so you think it wouldn't have counted as tampering with evidence of be just used gloves?

The tampering was that he picked up the gun a second time so he could pretend that that's how the fingerprints got there. If he used gloves, he wouldn't have been able to use this excuse, thus this method of tampering would not have happened

Capn Circus posted...

So you're still, I assume, insisting the gun was planted?

It's baffling some of you will actually believe a known criminal fleeing police couldn't possibly have had a gun.

Anyway, people who know much more about this case and have more experience than we do determined the officer shouldn't go down for first degree murder. People should get over it and stop destroying people's property and burning down cities over thugs.

his fellow cops said he should go do . I guess you want to discount what they have to say.
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I'd run them the fuck over if they blocked me in. Especially if I had my kids in the car with me. Fuck that
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MotaroRIP619 posted...

I'd run them the fuck over if they blocked me in. Especially if I had my kids in the car with me. Fuck that

Yes, traumatize your children by murdering people. That'll definitely go over well

MotaroRIP619 posted...

I'd run them the fuck over if they blocked me in. Especially if I had my kids in the car with me. Fuck that

Then you'd go to jail. So much for putting those kids first, but hey, you got to assault some protesters!
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It's what happens when you intentionally walk into traffic moving at highway speeds, either that or you cause collisions and get innocent drivers killed.
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