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KogaSteelfang 09/12/17 3:56:05 PM #101:	DawkinsNumber4 posted... KogaSteelfang posted... because everything you posted negates the claim you make in the title and op So my words support the claim that a senior citizen communicated with a supernatural being who then opened the sea for him? Get the fuck outta here with that bullshit. Why even bring up the science behind it parting if that's not part of your point? If it happened, it happened, whether a miracle or not, and the science you posted only supports that it might've actually happened the way the bible describes it. If your entire point is that a man couldn't do it, then the science you posted has absolutely no bearing on that whatsoever. This is no different than claiming it didn't happen back before science said it was possible. If the only point you have against the entire story is a guy raising his hand, with everything else you provided only supporting it, you seem to have made a self defeating argument, and are misrepresenting things(all the science stuff) to hide that you really don't any new argument to add, and only just helped support the opposite claim. --- What did the pirate say on his 80th birthday? Aye Matey! <cite>KogaSteelfang posted [p:886477429] in The story ... [t:75764332]...</cite> <quote><cite>DawkinsNumber4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KogaSteelfang posted...</cite> <quote>because everything you posted negates the claim you make in the title and op</quote> So my words support the claim that a senior citizen communicated with a supernatural being who then opened the sea for him? Get the fuck outta here with that bullshit.</quote> Why even bring up the science behind it parting if that's not part of your point? If it happened, it happened, whether a miracle or not, and the science you posted only supports that it might've actually happened the way the bible describes it. If your entire point is that a man couldn't do it, then the science you posted has absolutely no bearing on that whatsoever. This is no different than claiming it didn't happen back before science said it was possible. If the only point you have against the entire story is a guy raising his hand, with everything else you provided only supporting it, you seem to have made a self defeating argument, and are misrepresenting things(all the science stuff) to hide that you really don't any new argument to add, and only just helped support the opposite claim.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LittleRoyal 09/12/17 3:57:10 PM #102:	27_Sandman_40 posted... Wasn't the whole point that he did it on command Also if he said "it would be perfect if this parted right now!" While having no understanding of science And then it parts Right when he needs it to That is amazing --- I-I really needed this~~ Time to stomp some faces!!! <cite>LittleRoyal posted [p:886477486] in The story ... [t:75764332]...</cite> <quote><cite>27_Sandman_40 posted...</cite> <quote>Wasn't the whole point that he did it on command</quote> Also if he said "it would be perfect if this parted right now!" While having no understanding of science And then it parts Right when he needs it to That is amazing</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 09/12/17 3:58:07 PM #103:	DawkinsNumber4 posted... darkphoenix181 posted... AS SOON as they arrive at the sea the storm starts up Where do you get this information? It is not correct. Also, if Moses had seen 2 or more storms in his lifetime with 67 mph winds (less speed than a category 1 hurricane) then he would have known that effect of such a storm. "So it came between the camp of Egypt and the camp of Israel; and there was the cloud along with the darkness, yet it gave light at night. Thus the one did not come near the other all night. " This is describing a storm that had been going all night. from logic based on your own opening DawkinsNumber4 posted... “It would take the Jews — there were 600,000 of them — four hours to cross the 7-kilometer reef that runs from one coast to another. Then, in a half-hour, the waters would come back.” the window of time is very narrow the literally need four hours to make it across and in 30 minutes they would drown not to mention the Sea is vast, it isn't like Moses had a telescope and could survey the sea and look for areas that were parted even if he could, it would take an hour or more for him to move the people to the opening by the time he did, they would likely lose too much time in their window and it would drown them like the bible says it did to the Egyptians --- sigless user is me or am I? <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:886477549] in The story ... [t:75764332]...</cite> <quote><cite>DawkinsNumber4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote>AS SOON as they arrive at the sea the storm starts up</quote> Where do you get this information? It is not correct. Also, if Moses had seen 2 or more storms in his lifetime with 67 mph winds (less speed than a category 1 hurricane) then he would have known that effect of such a storm. "So it came between the camp of Egypt and the camp of Israel; and there was the cloud along with the darkness, yet it gave light at night. Thus the one did not come near the other all night. " This is describing a storm that had been going all night.</quote> from logic based on your own opening <cite>DawkinsNumber4 posted...</cite> <quote>“It would take the Jews — there were 600,000 of them — four hours to cross the 7-kilometer reef that runs from one coast to another. Then, in a half-hour, the waters would come back.”</quote> the window of time is very narrow the literally need four hours to make it across and in 30 minutes they would drown not to mention the Sea is vast, it isn't like Moses had a telescope and could survey the sea and look for areas that were parted even if he could, it would take an hour or more for him to move the people to the opening by the time he did, they would likely lose too much time in their window and it would drown them like the bible says it did to the Egyptians</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 09/12/17 3:58:46 PM #104:	DawkinsNumber4 posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... So why mention Moses' hand for no reason? Part of reading comprehension is understanding why all the words are there, not just some of them. You are selectively reading, but your interpretation disregards the majority of the relevant sentence and its meaning. it literally says a deity split the sea. regardless of moses gestures or comments, it credits the deity. not moses. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:886477591] in The story ... [t:75764332]...</cite> <quote><cite>DawkinsNumber4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>So why mention Moses' hand for no reason? Part of reading comprehension is understanding why all the words are there, not just some of them.</quote> You are selectively reading, but your interpretation disregards the majority of the relevant sentence and its meaning.</quote> it literally says a deity split the sea. regardless of moses gestures or comments, it credits the deity. not moses.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DawkinsNumber4 09/12/17 3:58:53 PM #105:	KogaSteelfang posted... and the science you posted only supports that it might've actually happened the way the bible describes it. No science supports any concept that a senior citizen was communicating with a supernatural entity. --- https://soundcloud.com/xsquader - http://youtube.com/xsquader http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/1044-independent-politics - Independent Politics Community Board <cite>DawkinsNumber4 posted [p:886477598] in The story ... [t:75764332]...</cite> <quote><cite>KogaSteelfang posted...</cite> <quote>and the science you posted only supports that it might've actually happened the way the bible describes it. </quote> No science supports any concept that a senior citizen was communicating with a supernatural entity.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DawkinsNumber4 09/12/17 4:02:16 PM #106:	FLUFFYGERM posted... DawkinsNumber4 posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... So why mention Moses' hand for no reason? Part of reading comprehension is understanding why all the words are there, not just some of them. You are selectively reading, but your interpretation disregards the majority of the relevant sentence and its meaning. it literally says a deity split the sea. regardless of moses gestures or comments, it credits the deity. not moses. Since you refuse to read, we must take other scriptures to force your ignorance away or at the very least force you to lie to save face. "He caused their chariot wheels to swerve, and He made them drive with difficulty; so the Egyptians said, "Let us flee from Israel, for the LORD is fighting for them against the Egyptians." Then the LORD said to Moses, "Stretch out your hand over the sea so that the waters may come back over the Egyptians, over their chariots and their horsemen." So Moses stretched out his hand over the sea, and the sea returned to its normal state at daybreak, while the Egyptians were fleeing right into it; then the LORD overthrew the Egyptians in the midst of the sea.…" The repetition of Moses stretching his hand over the sea clearly displays some significance and here they are clearly saying God is communicating with Moses and there is some significance to the hand movement. There are other passages that also talk about Moses waving his staff and/or hand for some divine purpose. This is why I kept telling you to explain what the rest of the words in the sentence are there for. You can't just ignore them because you want to selectively choose to comprehend the words after the semi-colon. --- https://soundcloud.com/xsquader - http://youtube.com/xsquader http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/1044-independent-politics - Independent Politics Community Board <cite>DawkinsNumber4 posted [p:886477797] in The story ... [t:75764332]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DawkinsNumber4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>So why mention Moses' hand for no reason? Part of reading comprehension is understanding why all the words are there, not just some of them.</quote> You are selectively reading, but your interpretation disregards the majority of the relevant sentence and its meaning.</quote> it literally says a deity split the sea. regardless of moses gestures or comments, it credits the deity. not moses.</quote> Since you refuse to read, we must take other scriptures to force your ignorance away or at the very least force you to lie to save face. "He caused their chariot wheels to swerve, and He made them drive with difficulty; so the Egyptians said, "Let us flee from Israel, for the LORD is fighting for them against the Egyptians." Then the LORD said to Moses, "Stretch out your hand over the sea so that the waters may come back over the Egyptians, over their chariots and their horsemen." So Moses stretched out his hand over the sea, and the sea returned to its normal state at daybreak, while the Egyptians were fleeing right into it; then the LORD overthrew the Egyptians in the midst of the sea.…" The repetition of Moses stretching his hand over the sea clearly displays some significance and here they are clearly saying God is communicating with Moses and there is some significance to the hand movement. There are other passages that also talk about Moses waving his staff and/or hand for some divine purpose. This is why I kept telling you to explain what the rest of the words in the sentence are there for. You can't just ignore them because you want to selectively choose to comprehend the words after the semi-colon.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DawkinsNumber4 09/12/17 4:04:33 PM #107:	darkphoenix181 posted... it isn't like Moses had a telescope and could survey the sea and look for areas that were parted He was literally 80 years old. Do you realize they didn't have TV or movies or comic books back then? The fuck do you think he was paying attention to for 80 years? --- https://soundcloud.com/xsquader - http://youtube.com/xsquader http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/1044-independent-politics - Independent Politics Community Board <cite>DawkinsNumber4 posted [p:886477940] in The story ... [t:75764332]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote> it isn't like Moses had a telescope and could survey the sea and look for areas that were parted</quote> He was literally 80 years old. Do you realize they didn't have TV or movies or comic books back then? The fuck do you think he was paying attention to for 80 years?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 09/12/17 4:05:07 PM #108:	the stretching of the hand was to prove to people watching that moses had the ear of god on command and that those phenomena were not coincidence. nowhere does it say moses made the sea split. it literally says god did it. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:886477972] in The story ... [t:75764332]...</cite> <quote>the stretching of the hand was to prove to people watching that moses had the ear of god on command and that those phenomena were not coincidence. nowhere does it say moses made the sea split. it literally says god did it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KogaSteelfang 09/12/17 4:05:56 PM #109:	DawkinsNumber4 posted... KogaSteelfang posted... and the science you posted only supports that it might've actually happened the way the bible describes it. No science supports any concept that a senior citizen was communicating with a supernatural entity. So, basically only 1 word in the title and opening post are relevant to the point you're trying to make here. Moses, that's it. Nothing else is relevant to that, and that's what you keep circling back to. So what was even the point in any of science you posted about? --- What did the pirate say on his 80th birthday? Aye Matey! <cite>KogaSteelfang posted [p:886478020] in The story ... [t:75764332]...</cite> <quote><cite>DawkinsNumber4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KogaSteelfang posted...</cite> <quote>and the science you posted only supports that it might've actually happened the way the bible describes it. </quote> No science supports any concept that a senior citizen was communicating with a supernatural entity.</quote> So, basically only 1 word in the title and opening post are relevant to the point you're trying to make here. Moses, that's it. Nothing else is relevant to that, and that's what you keep circling back to. So what was even the point in any of science you posted about?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 09/12/17 4:08:15 PM #110:	Moses had no power. God likes to tell people to do stuff and if they obey he helps them. That is all the point of Moses hands was. If you knew why Moses couldn't enter the promised land, you would understand this. God told Moses to do something and he didn't do it exact and took credit. That made God mad. I mean, keep reading and you see the bible literally tells you: Exodus 14 30 That day the Lord saved Israel from the hands of the Egyptians, and Israel saw the Egyptians lying dead on the shore. 31 And when the Israelites saw the mighty hand of the Lord displayed against the Egyptians, the people feared the Lord and put their trust in him and in Moses his servant. --- sigless user is me or am I? <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:886478166] in The story ... [t:75764332]...</cite> <quote>Moses had no power. God likes to tell people to do stuff and if they obey he helps them. That is all the point of Moses hands was. If you knew why Moses couldn't enter the promised land, you would understand this. God told Moses to do something and he didn't do it exact and took credit. That made God mad. I mean, keep reading and you see the bible literally tells you: Exodus 14 30 That day the Lord saved Israel from the hands of the Egyptians, and Israel saw the Egyptians lying dead on the shore. 31 And when the Israelites saw the mighty hand of the Lord displayed against the Egyptians, the people feared the Lord and put their trust in him and in Moses<cite> his servant</cite>.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DawkinsNumber4 09/12/17 4:10:05 PM #111:	FLUFFYGERM posted... the stretching of the hand was to prove to people watching that moses had the ear of god on command and that those phenomena were not coincidence. nowhere does it say moses made the sea split. it literally says god did it. "Then the LORD said to Moses, "Stretch out your hand over the sea so that the waters may come back over the Egyptians, over their chariots and their horsemen." "Stretch out your hand over the sea so that " "so that" "so that" means that God said that Moses had to put his hand out for it to happen. It literally says the Lord said to stretch out his hand SO THAT (insert effect here). --- https://soundcloud.com/xsquader - http://youtube.com/xsquader http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/1044-independent-politics - Independent Politics Community Board <cite>DawkinsNumber4 posted [p:886478288] in The story ... [t:75764332]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>the stretching of the hand was to prove to people watching that moses had the ear of god on command and that those phenomena were not coincidence. nowhere does it say moses made the sea split. it literally says god did it.</quote> "Then the LORD said to Moses, "Stretch out your hand over the sea so that the waters may come back over the Egyptians, over their chariots and their horsemen." "Stretch out your hand over the sea so that " "so that" "so that" means that God said that Moses had to put his hand out for it to happen. It literally says the Lord said to stretch out his hand SO THAT (insert effect here).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DawkinsNumber4 09/12/17 4:11:14 PM #112:	darkphoenix181 posted... I mean, keep reading and you see the bible literally tells you: I've read it numerous times. You don't need to tell me that it contradicts itself. --- https://soundcloud.com/xsquader - http://youtube.com/xsquader http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/1044-independent-politics - Independent Politics Community Board <cite>DawkinsNumber4 posted [p:886478347] in The story ... [t:75764332]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote>I mean, keep reading and you see the bible literally tells you:</quote> I've read it numerous times. You don't need to tell me that it contradicts itself.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KogaSteelfang 09/12/17 4:12:14 PM #113:	>_> --- What did the pirate say on his 80th birthday? Aye Matey! <cite>KogaSteelfang posted [p:886478406] in The story ... [t:75764332]...</cite> <quote>>_></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 09/12/17 4:13:06 PM #114:	DawkinsNumber4 posted... darkphoenix181 posted... it isn't like Moses had a telescope and could survey the sea and look for areas that were parted He was literally 80 years old. Do you realize they didn't have TV or movies or comic books back then? The fuck do you think he was paying attention to for 80 years? you are trying to claim he spent what 60 years just studying that area of the Red Sea and thus he could know the exact time a storm appears and the exact point in which if possible the wind parted it? even had he done that, he would not beat doppler radars you are basically using science like magic that is literally magic btw he was living in Midian which is far away from where people speculate they crossed the Red Sea --- sigless user is me or am I? <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:886478465] in The story ... [t:75764332]...</cite> <quote><cite>DawkinsNumber4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote> it isn't like Moses had a telescope and could survey the sea and look for areas that were parted</quote> He was literally 80 years old. Do you realize they didn't have TV or movies or comic books back then? The fuck do you think he was paying attention to for 80 years?</quote> you are trying to claim he spent what 60 years just studying that area of the Red Sea and thus he could know the exact time a storm appears and the exact point in which if possible the wind parted it? even had he done that, he would not beat doppler radars you are basically using science like magic that is literally magic btw he was living in Midian which is far away from where people speculate they crossed the Red Sea</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 09/12/17 4:15:45 PM #115:	DawkinsNumber4 posted... darkphoenix181 posted... I mean, keep reading and you see the bible literally tells you: I've read it numerous times. You don't need to tell me that it contradicts itself. if I told a guy give me a penny so that I will draw you a picture do you assume the penny has the magical ability to allow me to draw and without the magical penny energies I cannot draw? God is telling Moses the he will part the sea if Moses complies. If Moses didn't obey, God would have let Egypt capture the Israelites. He didn't need Moses hands for anything, but only because he wanted it to be done as such. --- sigless user is me or am I? <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:886478642] in The story ... [t:75764332]...</cite> <quote><cite>DawkinsNumber4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote>I mean, keep reading and you see the bible literally tells you:</quote> I've read it numerous times. You don't need to tell me that it contradicts itself.</quote> if I told a guy give me a penny so that I will draw you a picture do you assume the penny has the magical ability to allow me to draw and without the magical penny energies I cannot draw? God is telling Moses the he will part the sea if Moses complies. If Moses didn't obey, God would have let Egypt capture the Israelites. He didn't need Moses hands for anything, but only because he wanted it to be done as such.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DawkinsNumber4 09/12/17 4:17:45 PM #116:	darkphoenix181 posted... you are trying to claim he spent what 60 years just studying that area of the Red Sea and thus he could know the exact time a storm appears and the exact point in which if possible the wind parted it? He had 80 fucking years to figure out the pattern to know when the fuck a bad storm is coming. I can literally do this too and you probably can too, what is so surprising? All he needed to do is either seen it split before or know someone who has. It is no different than us knowing a storm is coming because the weather gets all weird. Remember that Irma did this to numerous shores, not one single shore. All he had to do is know the path of the storm and again, they are good at looking up to find answers. --- https://soundcloud.com/xsquader - http://youtube.com/xsquader http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/1044-independent-politics - Independent Politics Community Board <cite>DawkinsNumber4 posted [p:886478786] in The story ... [t:75764332]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote>you are trying to claim he spent what 60 years just studying that area of the Red Sea and thus he could know the exact time a storm appears and the exact point in which if possible the wind parted it?</quote> He had 80 fucking years to figure out the pattern to know when the fuck a bad storm is coming. I can literally do this too and you probably can too, what is so surprising? All he needed to do is either seen it split before or know someone who has. It is no different than us knowing a storm is coming because the weather gets all weird. Remember that Irma did this to numerous shores, not one single shore. All he had to do is know the path of the storm and again, they are good at looking up to find answers.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DawkinsNumber4 09/12/17 4:20:14 PM #117:	darkphoenix181 posted... if I told a guy give me a penny so that I will draw you a picture You are reaching. You trade a penny in exchange for a picture. You don't get a penny so that you can draw a picture. You don't need the penny to draw the picture. --- https://soundcloud.com/xsquader - http://youtube.com/xsquader http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/1044-independent-politics - Independent Politics Community Board <cite>DawkinsNumber4 posted [p:886478930] in The story ... [t:75764332]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote>if I told a guy give me a penny so that I will draw you a picture</quote> You are reaching. You trade a penny in exchange for a picture. You don't get a penny so that you can draw a picture. You don't need the penny to draw the picture.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 09/12/17 4:28:22 PM #118:	DawkinsNumber4 posted... darkphoenix181 posted... you are trying to claim he spent what 60 years just studying that area of the Red Sea and thus he could know the exact time a storm appears and the exact point in which if possible the wind parted it? He had 80 fucking years to figure out the pattern to know when the fuck a bad storm is coming. I can literally do this too and you probably can too, what is so surprising? All he needed to do is either seen it split before or know someone who has. It is no different than us knowing a storm is coming because the weather gets all weird. Remember that Irma did this to numerous shores, not one single shore. All he had to do is know the path of the storm and again, they are good at looking up to find answers. He was 80 at the time lmao, so he studied as a baby? 1. not every storm does this, it is rare (it is even speculation that this could happen in the region at time even) 2. even if a storm was coming, you can't predict its path and where it will hit and its wind speed, that is in the realm of doppler radar which often gets the path wrong anyways So, this is literally magic. You are saying Moses is some super genius weather wizard who knew more about it that modern scientists. DawkinsNumber4 posted... darkphoenix181 posted... if I told a guy give me a penny so that I will draw you a picture You are reaching. You trade a penny in exchange for a picture. You don't get a penny so that you can draw a picture. You don't need the penny to draw the picture. God spoke the world into existence according to the same bible. Reaching is to claim that same God needed Moses hands to perform a magic ritual. God asked Moses to comply to show his willingness to obey (he does this throughout the bible) He didn't ask Moses to do this because he would be powerless had Moses not done this. Infact, Jesus calms the storm just by telling it to chill out bro. Why didn't God need Jesus to stretch out his hands hmm? --- sigless user is me or am I? <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:886479406] in The story ... [t:75764332]...</cite> <quote><cite>DawkinsNumber4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote>you are trying to claim he spent what 60 years just studying that area of the Red Sea and thus he could know the exact time a storm appears and the exact point in which if possible the wind parted it?</quote> He had 80 fucking years to figure out the pattern to know when the fuck a bad storm is coming. I can literally do this too and you probably can too, what is so surprising? All he needed to do is either seen it split before or know someone who has. It is no different than us knowing a storm is coming because the weather gets all weird. Remember that Irma did this to numerous shores, not one single shore. All he had to do is know the path of the storm and again, they are good at looking up to find answers.</quote> He was 80 at the time lmao, so he studied as a baby? 1. not every storm does this, it is rare (it is even speculation that this could happen in the region at time even) 2. even if a storm was coming, you can't predict its path and where it will hit and its wind speed, that is in the realm of doppler radar which often gets the path wrong anyways So, this is literally magic. You are saying Moses is some super genius weather wizard who knew more about it that modern scientists. <cite>DawkinsNumber4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote>if I told a guy give me a penny so that I will draw you a picture</quote> You are reaching. You trade a penny in exchange for a picture. You don't get a penny so that you can draw a picture. You don't need the penny to draw the picture.</quote> God spoke the world into existence according to the same bible. Reaching is to claim that same God needed Moses hands to perform a magic ritual. God asked Moses to comply to show his willingness to obey (he does this throughout the bible) He didn't ask Moses to do this because he would be powerless had Moses not done this. Infact, Jesus calms the storm just by telling it to chill out bro. Why didn't God need Jesus to stretch out his hands hmm?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DawkinsNumber4 09/12/17 4:37:14 PM #119:	darkphoenix181 posted... He was 80 at the time lmao, so he studied as a baby? He had 80 years to get information without distractions like comic books, tv, movies, cell phones, social media, etc.darkphoenix181 posted... 1. not every storm does this, it is rare (it is even speculation that this could happen in the region at time even) Yes it could happen and records show that it wasn't such a desert back then in that area. Remember the importance of the cradle of civilization being near the tigris and the euphrates which have dried up immensely since then and have continued to do so more and more over time. We can infer from this fact alone that the climate is much different now than it would have been then. darkphoenix181 posted... 2. even if a storm was coming, you can't predict its path and where it will hit and its wind speed, that is in the realm of doppler radar which often gets the path wrong anyways It literally describes them following a storm in Exodus. you literally tell what direction it's going on by looking at the clouds...Which they described doing repeatedly in Exodus... Looking at what direction a storm is moving isn't rocket science nor does it require being a scientist. It only requires paying attention. The winds could have already been going that fast for all we know. It doesn't say anything indicating they weren't. darkphoenix181 posted... Reaching is to claim that same God needed Moses hands to perform a magic ritual. Reaching is using this as an excuse like it isn't insinuating that God wouldn't do anything unless he could show off. --- https://soundcloud.com/xsquader - http://youtube.com/xsquader http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/1044-independent-politics - Independent Politics Community Board <cite>DawkinsNumber4 posted [p:886479964] in The story ... [t:75764332]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote>He was 80 at the time lmao, so he studied as a baby?</quote> He had 80 years to get information without distractions like comic books, tv, movies, cell phones, social media, etc.<cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote>1. not every storm does this, it is rare (it is even speculation that this could happen in the region at time even)</quote> Yes it could happen and records show that it wasn't such a desert back then in that area. Remember the importance of the cradle of civilization being near the tigris and the euphrates which have dried up immensely since then and have continued to do so more and more over time. We can infer from this fact alone that the climate is much different now than it would have been then. <cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote>2. even if a storm was coming, you can't predict its path and where it will hit and its wind speed, that is in the realm of doppler radar which often gets the path wrong anyways</quote> It literally describes them following a storm in Exodus. you literally tell what direction it's going on by looking at the clouds...Which they described doing repeatedly in Exodus... Looking at what direction a storm is moving isn't rocket science nor does it require being a scientist. It only requires paying attention. The winds could have already been going that fast for all we know. It doesn't say anything indicating they weren't. <cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote> Reaching is to claim that same God needed Moses hands to perform a magic ritual.</quote> Reaching is using this as an excuse like it isn't insinuating that God wouldn't do anything unless he could show off.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 09/12/17 4:51:56 PM #120:	DawkinsNumber4 posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... the stretching of the hand was to prove to people watching that moses had the ear of god on command and that those phenomena were not coincidence. nowhere does it say moses made the sea split. it literally says god did it. "Then the LORD said to Moses, "Stretch out your hand over the sea so that the waters may come back over the Egyptians, over their chariots and their horsemen." "Stretch out your hand over the sea so that " "so that" "so that" means that God said that Moses had to put his hand out for it to happen. It literally says the Lord said to stretch out his hand SO THAT (insert effect here). sigh ok let's try one last time. this time ill even bold who split the sea so that you can see. "Then Moses stretched out his hand over the sea; and the LORD swept the sea back by a strong east wind all night and turned the sea into dry land, so the waters were divided" <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:886480810] in The story ... [t:75764332]...</cite> <quote><cite>DawkinsNumber4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>the stretching of the hand was to prove to people watching that moses had the ear of god on command and that those phenomena were not coincidence. nowhere does it say moses made the sea split. it literally says god did it.</quote> "Then the LORD said to Moses, "Stretch out your hand over the sea so that the waters may come back over the Egyptians, over their chariots and their horsemen." "Stretch out your hand over the sea so that " "so that" "so that" means that God said that Moses had to put his hand out for it to happen. It literally says the Lord said to stretch out his hand SO THAT (insert effect here).</quote> sigh ok let's try one last time. this time ill even bold who split the sea so that you can see. "Then Moses stretched out his hand over the sea; and the LORD swept the sea back by a strong east wind all night and turned the sea into dry land, so the waters were divided"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 09/12/17 4:54:33 PM #121:	DawkinsNumber4 posted... He had 80 years to get information without distractions like comic books, tv, movies, cell phones, social media, etc so all modern scientists spend very little time researching according to you? DawkinsNumber4 posted... It literally describes them following a storm in Exodus. you literally tell what direction it's going on by looking at the clouds...Which they described doing repeatedly in Exodus... Looking at what direction a storm is moving isn't rocket science nor does it require being a scientist. It only requires paying attention. The winds could have already been going that fast for all we know. It doesn't say anything indicating they weren't. must been a tiny storm fyi, you couldn't follow Harvey because the whole sky was filled with it and rain in your eyes but man you are making Ancient Israel look like a tribe of science geniuses DawkinsNumber4 posted... Reaching is using this as an excuse like it isn't insinuating that God wouldn't do anything unless he could show off. ? he wasn't showing off God requires man to submit and obey him or he refuses to take action Reaching is you have zero understanding of this scriptural concept which is a central theme throughout several books. Go read up on the story where Moses messes up making God mad and gets punished. --- sigless user is me or am I? <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:886480964] in The story ... [t:75764332]...</cite> <quote><cite>DawkinsNumber4 posted...</cite> <quote>He had 80 years to get information without distractions like comic books, tv, movies, cell phones, social media, etc</quote> so all modern scientists spend very little time researching according to you? <cite>DawkinsNumber4 posted...</cite> <quote>It literally describes them following a storm in Exodus. you literally tell what direction it's going on by looking at the clouds...Which they described doing repeatedly in Exodus... Looking at what direction a storm is moving isn't rocket science nor does it require being a scientist. It only requires paying attention. The winds could have already been going that fast for all we know. It doesn't say anything indicating they weren't.</quote> must been a tiny storm fyi, you couldn't follow Harvey because the whole sky was filled with it and rain in your eyes but man you are making Ancient Israel look like a tribe of science geniuses <cite>DawkinsNumber4 posted...</cite> <quote>Reaching is using this as an excuse like it isn't insinuating that God wouldn't do anything unless he could show off.</quote> ? he wasn't showing off God requires man to submit and obey him or he refuses to take action Reaching is you have zero understanding of this scriptural concept which is a central theme throughout several books. Go read up on the story where Moses messes up making God mad and gets punished.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DawkinsNumber4 09/12/17 5:07:57 PM #122:	FLUFFYGERM posted... DawkinsNumber4 posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... the stretching of the hand was to prove to people watching that moses had the ear of god on command and that those phenomena were not coincidence. nowhere does it say moses made the sea split. it literally says god did it. "Then the LORD said to Moses, "Stretch out your hand over the sea so that the waters may come back over the Egyptians, over their chariots and their horsemen." "Stretch out your hand over the sea so that " "so that" "so that" means that God said that Moses had to put his hand out for it to happen. It literally says the Lord said to stretch out his hand SO THAT (insert effect here). sigh ok let's try one last time. this time ill even bold who split the sea so that you can see. "Then Moses stretched out his hand over the sea; and the LORD swept the sea back by a strong east wind all night and turned the sea into dry land, so the waters were divided" Now explain the part you ignored adding context to that was given PRIOR to the semi-colon. "Then Moses stretched out his hand over the sea" WHY was it Moses had to do this whenever something allegedly supernatural happened? Why did the Lord tell him to do this "SO THAT" these alleged events that are supernatural in nature could occur? --- https://soundcloud.com/xsquader - http://youtube.com/xsquader http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/1044-independent-politics - Independent Politics Community Board <cite>DawkinsNumber4 posted [p:886481756] in The story ... [t:75764332]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DawkinsNumber4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>the stretching of the hand was to prove to people watching that moses had the ear of god on command and that those phenomena were not coincidence. nowhere does it say moses made the sea split. it literally says god did it.</quote> "Then the LORD said to Moses, "Stretch out your hand over the sea so that the waters may come back over the Egyptians, over their chariots and their horsemen." "Stretch out your hand over the sea so that " "so that" "so that" means that God said that Moses had to put his hand out for it to happen. It literally says the Lord said to stretch out his hand SO THAT (insert effect here).</quote> sigh ok let's try one last time. this time ill even bold who split the sea so that you can see. "Then Moses stretched out his hand over the sea; and the LORD swept the sea back by a strong east wind all night and turned the sea into dry land, so the waters were divided"</quote> Now explain the part you ignored adding context to that was given PRIOR to the semi-colon. "Then Moses stretched out his hand over the sea" WHY was it Moses had to do this whenever something allegedly supernatural happened? Why did the Lord tell him to do this "SO THAT" these alleged events that are supernatural in nature could occur?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 09/12/17 5:08:32 PM #123:	that was already explained to you more than once it had absolutely nothing to do with whether or not moses split the sea himself <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:886481803] in The story ... [t:75764332]...</cite> <quote>that was already explained to you more than once it had absolutely nothing to do with whether or not moses split the sea himself</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DawkinsNumber4 09/12/17 5:10:34 PM #124:	FLUFFYGERM posted... that was already explained to you more than once it had absolutely nothing to do with whether or not moses split the sea himself "Explained" does not mean give some baseless assumption pulled from your ass. --- https://soundcloud.com/xsquader - http://youtube.com/xsquader http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/1044-independent-politics - Independent Politics Community Board <cite>DawkinsNumber4 posted [p:886481926] in The story ... [t:75764332]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>that was already explained to you more than once it had absolutely nothing to do with whether or not moses split the sea himself</quote> "Explained" does not mean give some baseless assumption pulled from your ass.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 09/12/17 5:13:17 PM #125:	it literally says what the symbolic gesture was for just like it literally says who split the sea <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:886482104] in The story ... [t:75764332]...</cite> <quote>it literally says what the symbolic gesture was for just like it literally says who split the sea</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DawkinsNumber4 09/12/17 5:50:33 PM #126:	FLUFFYGERM posted... it literally says what the symbolic gesture was for and your citation is? --- https://soundcloud.com/xsquader - http://youtube.com/xsquader http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/1044-independent-politics - Independent Politics Community Board <cite>DawkinsNumber4 posted [p:886484051] in The story ... [t:75764332]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>it literally says what the symbolic gesture was for</quote> and your citation is?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 09/12/17 5:55:33 PM #127:	hopefully you don't argue this badly in court --- sigless user is me or am I? <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:886484326] in The story ... [t:75764332]...</cite> <quote>hopefully you don't argue this badly in court</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Callixtus 09/12/17 5:56:19 PM #128:	KogaSteelfang posted... DawkinsNumber4 posted... KogaSteelfang posted... because everything you posted negates the claim you make in the title and op So my words support the claim that a senior citizen communicated with a supernatural being who then opened the sea for him? Get the fuck outta here with that bullshit. Why even bring up the science behind it parting if that's not part of your point? If it happened, it happened, whether a miracle or not, and the science you posted only supports that it might've actually happened the way the bible describes it. If your entire point is that a man couldn't do it, then the science you posted has absolutely no bearing on that whatsoever. This is no different than claiming it didn't happen back before science said it was possible. If the only point you have against the entire story is a guy raising his hand, with everything else you provided only supporting it, you seem to have made a self defeating argument, and are misrepresenting things(all the science stuff) to hide that you really don't any new argument to add, and only just helped support the opposite claim. I haven't read most of what I assume is nonsense in this topic, but the fact that a seemingly coincidental natural occurrence happened exactly at the time the Hebrews needed it, doesn't seem to take away from the miraculous content of that natural event. --- Liberal Arrogance:Academics are overwhelmingly liberal because the nature of the job, seeking information for the good of humanity, self selects liberals--COVxy <cite>Callixtus posted [p:886484371] in The story ... [t:75764332]...</cite> <quote><cite>KogaSteelfang posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DawkinsNumber4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KogaSteelfang posted...</cite> <quote>because everything you posted negates the claim you make in the title and op</quote> So my words support the claim that a senior citizen communicated with a supernatural being who then opened the sea for him? Get the fuck outta here with that bullshit.</quote> Why even bring up the science behind it parting if that's not part of your point? If it happened, it happened, whether a miracle or not, and the science you posted only supports that it might've actually happened the way the bible describes it. If your entire point is that a man couldn't do it, then the science you posted has absolutely no bearing on that whatsoever. This is no different than claiming it didn't happen back before science said it was possible. If the only point you have against the entire story is a guy raising his hand, with everything else you provided only supporting it, you seem to have made a self defeating argument, and are misrepresenting things(all the science stuff) to hide that you really don't any new argument to add, and only just helped support the opposite claim.</quote> I haven't read most of what I assume is nonsense in this topic, but the fact that a seemingly coincidental natural occurrence happened exactly at the time the Hebrews needed it, doesn't seem to take away from the miraculous content of that natural event.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kim Kusanagi 09/12/17 6:04:37 PM #129:	darkphoenix181 posted... hopefully you don't argue this badly in court It doesn't matter. They'll get rid of him and he'll be taken down to the slammer kicking and yelling that he is free to stay. --- Live to train. Train to fight. Fight to live. When you retire, think only on fighting. Take me away, I don't mind, but you better promise I'll be back in time! <cite>Kim Kusanagi posted [p:886484814] in The story ... [t:75764332]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote>hopefully you don't argue this badly in court</quote> It doesn't matter. They'll get rid of him and he'll be taken down to the slammer kicking and yelling that he is free to stay.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 09/12/17 6:06:41 PM #130:	what a boneheaded individual <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:886484920] in The story ... [t:75764332]...</cite> <quote>what a boneheaded individual</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DawkinsNumber4 09/12/17 6:29:03 PM #131:	DawkinsNumber4 posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... it literally says what the symbolic gesture was for and your citation is? --- https://soundcloud.com/xsquader - http://youtube.com/xsquader http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/1044-independent-politics - Independent Politics Community Board <cite>DawkinsNumber4 posted [p:886486000] in The story ... [t:75764332]...</cite> <quote><cite>DawkinsNumber4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>it literally says what the symbolic gesture was for</quote> and your citation is?</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DawkinsNumber4 09/13/17 2:24:00 PM #132:	Citation still required. --- https://soundcloud.com/xsquader - http://youtube.com/xsquader http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/1044-independent-politics - Independent Politics Community Board <cite>DawkinsNumber4 posted [p:886530646] in The story ... [t:75764332]...</cite> <quote>Citation still required.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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