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Zikten 09/12/17 2:59:14 PM #51:	shitty "scientist" there is no proof that the book of exodus ever even happened. not just the parting of the sea. any of it. including Moses existing or Jews being in Egypt and we know now that no slaves worked on the pyramids <cite>Zikten posted [p:886474051] in The story ... [t:75764332]...</cite> <quote>shitty "scientist" there is no proof that the book of exodus ever even happened. not just the parting of the sea. any of it. including Moses existing or Jews being in Egypt and we know now that no slaves worked on the pyramids</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 09/12/17 3:00:32 PM #52:	Zikten posted... we know now that no slaves worked on the pyramids do we really? need to see some sauce <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:886474140] in The story ... [t:75764332]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote>we know now that no slaves worked on the pyramids</quote> do we really? need to see some sauce</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ManLink4321 09/12/17 3:04:26 PM #53:	Zikten posted... shitty "scientist" there is no proof that the book of exodus ever even happened. not just the parting of the sea. any of it. including Moses existing or Jews being in Egypt and we know now that no slaves worked on the pyramids The exodus happened exactly as it is described in the Bible. --- The Hero of Hyrule. <cite>ManLink4321 posted [p:886474408] in The story ... [t:75764332]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote>shitty "scientist" there is no proof that the book of exodus ever even happened. not just the parting of the sea. any of it. including Moses existing or Jews being in Egypt and we know now that no slaves worked on the pyramids</quote> The exodus happened exactly as it is described in the Bible.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lightsasori 09/12/17 3:05:57 PM #54:	Trying to use science to justify the miracles that happen in the bible seems to missing the entire point of the miracles... --- "Yare yare daze" ~ Jotaro Kujo "Children are pure, they know who's the strongest." ~ MaskDeSmith <cite>Lightsasori posted [p:886474492] in The story ... [t:75764332]...</cite> <quote>Trying to use science to justify the miracles that happen in the bible seems to missing the entire point of the miracles...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 09/12/17 3:06:05 PM #55:	https://www.cbsnews.com/news/more-evidence-slaves-didnt-build-pyramids/ <cite>Zikten posted [p:886474499] in The story ... [t:75764332]...</cite> <quote>https://www.cbsnews.com/news/more-evidence-slaves-didnt-build-pyramids/</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 09/12/17 3:07:07 PM #56:	Zikten posted... https://www.cbsnews.com/news/more-evidence-slaves-didnt-build-pyramids/ is there real evidence besides "Egypt said so" because this is as useless as Japan's comments on the Rape of Nanking <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:886474557] in The story ... [t:75764332]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote>https://www.cbsnews.com/news/more-evidence-slaves-didnt-build-pyramids/</quote> is there real evidence besides "Egypt said so" because this is as useless as Japan's comments on the Rape of Nanking</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DawkinsNumber4 09/12/17 3:08:14 PM #57:	ThyCorndog posted... or, you know... moses wasn't real I thought archaeologists (and israeli ones at that) found that the jews never actually were in egypt that early on in history and that the story of moses and the enslaved jews of egypt is essentially their cultural creation story (I'm sure there's a better term for what I mean, but I'm drawing a blank atm) I have not heard that the semites would not have been in Egypt during this time period. I also want to mention that I don't necessarily think it was Moses or that he was a Jew as much as my point is I feel like these stories are not just pulled out of people's asses but told from a primitive perspective. I feel it is likely possible to find events referenced sometimes by looking at what could have happened. --- https://soundcloud.com/xsquader - http://youtube.com/xsquader http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/1044-independent-politics - Independent Politics Community Board <cite>DawkinsNumber4 posted [p:886474636] in The story ... [t:75764332]...</cite> <quote><cite>ThyCorndog posted...</cite> <quote>or, you know... moses wasn't real I thought archaeologists (and israeli ones at that) found that the jews never actually were in egypt that early on in history and that the story of moses and the enslaved jews of egypt is essentially their cultural creation story (I'm sure there's a better term for what I mean, but I'm drawing a blank atm)</quote> I have not heard that the semites would not have been in Egypt during this time period. I also want to mention that I don't necessarily think it was Moses or that he was a Jew as much as my point is I feel like these stories are not just pulled out of people's asses but told from a primitive perspective. I feel it is likely possible to find events referenced sometimes by looking at what could have happened.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KogaSteelfang 09/12/17 3:09:34 PM #58:	"The story of Moses parting the Red Sea is BS, science now says it's actually possible." The logic doesn't exactly flow. --- What did the pirate say on his 80th birthday? Aye Matey! <cite>KogaSteelfang posted [p:886474715] in The story ... [t:75764332]...</cite> <quote>"The story of Moses parting the Red Sea is BS, science now says it's actually possible." The logic doesn't exactly flow.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 09/12/17 3:10:51 PM #59:	KogaSteelfang posted... "The story of Moses parting the Red Sea is BS, science now says it's actually possible." The logic doesn't exactly flow. haha yeah if something is deemed scientifically impossible, the narrative is "it's scientifically impossible therefore it didn't happen." now it's deemed scientifically possible, but the narrative is "it's scientifically possible therefore it didn't happen." no winning with these catch 22s <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:886474787] in The story ... [t:75764332]...</cite> <quote><cite>KogaSteelfang posted...</cite> <quote>"The story of Moses parting the Red Sea is BS, science now says it's actually possible." The logic doesn't exactly flow.</quote> haha yeah if something is deemed scientifically impossible, the narrative is "it's scientifically impossible therefore it didn't happen." now it's deemed scientifically possible, but the narrative is "it's scientifically possible therefore it didn't happen." no winning with these catch 22s</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NadYobWoc 09/12/17 3:10:55 PM #60:	Or, you know, it was made up. --- Cowboy Dan's a major player in the cowboy scene <cite>NadYobWoc posted [p:886474789] in The story ... [t:75764332]...</cite> <quote>Or, you know, it was made up.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 09/12/17 3:12:20 PM #61:	FLUFFYGERM posted... Zikten posted... https://www.cbsnews.com/news/more-evidence-slaves-didnt-build-pyramids/ is there real evidence besides "Egypt said so" because this is as useless as Japan's comments on the Rape of Nanking it makes logical sense. the pyramids were the sacred tombs of people they believed were living gods. they wouldn't want to let a lowly slave have the honor of even touching them <cite>Zikten posted [p:886474885] in The story ... [t:75764332]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote>https://www.cbsnews.com/news/more-evidence-slaves-didnt-build-pyramids/</quote> is there real evidence besides "Egypt said so" because this is as useless as Japan's comments on the Rape of Nanking</quote> it makes logical sense. the pyramids were the sacred tombs of people they believed were living gods. they wouldn't want to let a lowly slave have the honor of even touching them</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EnragedSlith 09/12/17 3:13:24 PM #62:	I'm fairly certain that Egyptians paid taxes in labor and had plenty of free time to do so as the Nile has a predictable flood pattern and floods maybe once or twice a year. As far as whether they used slaves, though, I don't know. Ancient Egypt has a LONG history and a host of notorious rulers. It may simply be that the peasant class was harshly subjugated and may have been comparable to a slave class. Stonework back then was grueling labor with small progress measured by the week. --- http://i.imgur.com/gIoselB.gif https://i.imgur.com/p8iCfHF.jpg <cite>EnragedSlith posted [p:886474962] in The story ... [t:75764332]...</cite> <quote>I'm fairly certain that Egyptians paid taxes in labor and had plenty of free time to do so as the Nile has a predictable flood pattern and floods maybe once or twice a year. As far as whether they used slaves, though, I don't know. Ancient Egypt has a LONG history and a host of notorious rulers. It may simply be that the peasant class was harshly subjugated and may have been comparable to a slave class. Stonework back then was grueling labor with small progress measured by the week.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 09/12/17 3:14:40 PM #63:	Zikten posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... Zikten posted... https://www.cbsnews.com/news/more-evidence-slaves-didnt-build-pyramids/ is there real evidence besides "Egypt said so" because this is as useless as Japan's comments on the Rape of Nanking it makes logical sense. the pyramids were the sacred tombs of people they believed were living gods. they wouldn't want to let a lowly slave have the honor of even touching them oh okay so basically there is no real evidence besides "it makes logical sense" and "Egypt said so" am i getting that right <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:886475040] in The story ... [t:75764332]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote>https://www.cbsnews.com/news/more-evidence-slaves-didnt-build-pyramids/</quote> is there real evidence besides "Egypt said so" because this is as useless as Japan's comments on the Rape of Nanking</quote> it makes logical sense. the pyramids were the sacred tombs of people they believed were living gods. they wouldn't want to let a lowly slave have the honor of even touching them</quote> oh okay so basically there is no real evidence besides "it makes logical sense" and "Egypt said so" am i getting that right</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DawkinsNumber4 09/12/17 3:15:14 PM #64:	KogaSteelfang posted... "The story of Moses parting the Red Sea is BS, science now says it's actually possible." The logic doesn't exactly flow. Bad paraphrasing is bad. Science doesn't say people can fucking split seas. It says that there is a reason they could have thought that because the conditions to leave the sea dry temporarily are not too unrealistic. --- https://soundcloud.com/xsquader - http://youtube.com/xsquader http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/1044-independent-politics - Independent Politics Community Board <cite>DawkinsNumber4 posted [p:886475071] in The story ... [t:75764332]...</cite> <quote><cite>KogaSteelfang posted...</cite> <quote>"The story of Moses parting the Red Sea is BS, science now says it's actually possible." The logic doesn't exactly flow.</quote> Bad paraphrasing is bad. Science doesn't say people can fucking split seas. It says that there is a reason they could have thought that because the conditions to leave the sea dry temporarily are not too unrealistic.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
--kresnik-- 09/12/17 3:15:29 PM #65:	27_Sandman_40 posted... Wasn't the whole point that he did it on command This is why religion beats science, every time. --- "BEFORE we ask what is fair for illegal immigrants, we must also ask what is fair to American families, students, taxpayers, and jobseekers." D. Trump <cite>--kresnik-- posted [p:886475087] in The story ... [t:75764332]...</cite> <quote><cite>27_Sandman_40 posted...</cite> <quote>Wasn't the whole point that he did it on command</quote> This is why religion beats science, every time.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 09/12/17 3:15:33 PM #66:	EnragedSlith posted... I'm fairly certain that Egyptians paid taxes in labor and had plenty of free time to do so as the Nile has a predictable flood pattern and floods maybe once or twice a year. As far as whether they used slaves, though, I don't know. Ancient Egypt has a LONG history and a host of notorious rulers. It may simply be that the peasant class was harshly subjugated and may have been comparable to a slave class. Stonework back then was grueling labor with small progress measured by the week. but the workers had the honor of being buried in pyramids! (at least according to egypt) surely they wouldn't have declined the offer! who wouldn't want to work grueling hours doing back-breaking physical labor in the egyptian sun, lifting enormous rocks for decades on end? <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:886475094] in The story ... [t:75764332]...</cite> <quote><cite>EnragedSlith posted...</cite> <quote>I'm fairly certain that Egyptians paid taxes in labor and had plenty of free time to do so as the Nile has a predictable flood pattern and floods maybe once or twice a year. As far as whether they used slaves, though, I don't know. Ancient Egypt has a LONG history and a host of notorious rulers. It may simply be that the peasant class was harshly subjugated and may have been comparable to a slave class. Stonework back then was grueling labor with small progress measured by the week.</quote> but the workers had the honor of being buried in pyramids! (at least according to egypt) surely they wouldn't have declined the offer! who wouldn't want to work grueling hours doing back-breaking physical labor in the egyptian sun, lifting enormous rocks for decades on end?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
weapon_d00d816 09/12/17 3:16:29 PM #67:	27_Sandman_40 posted... Wasn't the whole point that he did it on command That could easily be embellishment for the sake of adding importance to his character. --- SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SlG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SlG <cite>weapon_d00d816 posted [p:886475156] in The story ... [t:75764332]...</cite> <quote><cite>27_Sandman_40 posted...</cite> <quote>Wasn't the whole point that he did it on command</quote> That could easily be embellishment for the sake of adding importance to his character.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 09/12/17 3:18:08 PM #68:	weapon_d00d816 posted... 27_Sandman_40 posted... Wasn't the whole point that he did it on command That could easily be embellishment for the sake of adding importance to his character. and egypt's claims about not using slaves could also easily be embellishment for the sake of saving their character like how japan treats the rape of nanking <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:886475256] in The story ... [t:75764332]...</cite> <quote><cite>weapon_d00d816 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>27_Sandman_40 posted...</cite> <quote>Wasn't the whole point that he did it on command</quote> That could easily be embellishment for the sake of adding importance to his character.</quote> and egypt's claims about not using slaves could also easily be embellishment for the sake of saving their character like how japan treats the rape of nanking</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 09/12/17 3:19:25 PM #69:	FLUFFYGERM posted... Zikten posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... Zikten posted... https://www.cbsnews.com/news/more-evidence-slaves-didnt-build-pyramids/ is there real evidence besides "Egypt said so" because this is as useless as Japan's comments on the Rape of Nanking it makes logical sense. the pyramids were the sacred tombs of people they believed were living gods. they wouldn't want to let a lowly slave have the honor of even touching them oh okay so basically there is no real evidence besides "it makes logical sense" and "Egypt said so" am i getting that right they have records written down of wages paid to the workers. we know they weren't slaves <cite>Zikten posted [p:886475350] in The story ... [t:75764332]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote>https://www.cbsnews.com/news/more-evidence-slaves-didnt-build-pyramids/</quote> is there real evidence besides "Egypt said so" because this is as useless as Japan's comments on the Rape of Nanking</quote> it makes logical sense. the pyramids were the sacred tombs of people they believed were living gods. they wouldn't want to let a lowly slave have the honor of even touching them</quote> oh okay so basically there is no real evidence besides "it makes logical sense" and "Egypt said so" am i getting that right</quote> they have records written down of wages paid to the workers. we know they weren't slaves</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DawkinsNumber4 09/12/17 3:20:16 PM #70:	Zikten posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... Zikten posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... Zikten posted... https://www.cbsnews.com/news/more-evidence-slaves-didnt-build-pyramids/ is there real evidence besides "Egypt said so" because this is as useless as Japan's comments on the Rape of Nanking it makes logical sense. the pyramids were the sacred tombs of people they believed were living gods. they wouldn't want to let a lowly slave have the honor of even touching them oh okay so basically there is no real evidence besides "it makes logical sense" and "Egypt said so" am i getting that right they have records written down of wages paid to the workers. we know they weren't slaves Depends on how you define slavery. Forcing people to work grueling hours for next to nothing "or else" is still slavery in my eyes. --- https://soundcloud.com/xsquader - http://youtube.com/xsquader http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/1044-independent-politics - Independent Politics Community Board <cite>DawkinsNumber4 posted [p:886475405] in The story ... [t:75764332]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote>https://www.cbsnews.com/news/more-evidence-slaves-didnt-build-pyramids/</quote> is there real evidence besides "Egypt said so" because this is as useless as Japan's comments on the Rape of Nanking</quote> it makes logical sense. the pyramids were the sacred tombs of people they believed were living gods. they wouldn't want to let a lowly slave have the honor of even touching them</quote> oh okay so basically there is no real evidence besides "it makes logical sense" and "Egypt said so" am i getting that right</quote> they have records written down of wages paid to the workers. we know they weren't slaves</quote> Depends on how you define slavery. Forcing people to work grueling hours for next to nothing "or else" is still slavery in my eyes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KogaSteelfang 09/12/17 3:20:50 PM #71:	DawkinsNumber4 posted... KogaSteelfang posted... "The story of Moses parting the Red Sea is BS, science now says it's actually possible." The logic doesn't exactly flow. Bad paraphrasing is bad. Science doesn't say people can fucking split seas. It says that there is a reason they could have thought that because the conditions to leave the sea dry temporarily are not too unrealistic. The science only indicates that it's an actual possibility that it opened a path when they needed one. Miracle or not, this only adds validity to the claim that it might've actually happened. Which is kind of the opposite of it being BS. Also, I could've sworn this was figured out like 15 years ago anyway. --- What did the pirate say on his 80th birthday? Aye Matey! <cite>KogaSteelfang posted [p:886475437] in The story ... [t:75764332]...</cite> <quote><cite>DawkinsNumber4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KogaSteelfang posted...</cite> <quote>"The story of Moses parting the Red Sea is BS, science now says it's actually possible." The logic doesn't exactly flow.</quote> Bad paraphrasing is bad. Science doesn't say people can fucking split seas. It says that there is a reason they could have thought that because the conditions to leave the sea dry temporarily are not too unrealistic.</quote> The science only indicates that it's an actual possibility that it opened a path when they needed one. Miracle or not, this only adds validity to the claim that it might've actually happened. Which is kind of the opposite of it being BS. Also, I could've sworn this was figured out like 15 years ago anyway.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 09/12/17 3:21:10 PM #72:	Zikten posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... Zikten posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... Zikten posted... https://www.cbsnews.com/news/more-evidence-slaves-didnt-build-pyramids/ is there real evidence besides "Egypt said so" because this is as useless as Japan's comments on the Rape of Nanking it makes logical sense. the pyramids were the sacred tombs of people they believed were living gods. they wouldn't want to let a lowly slave have the honor of even touching them oh okay so basically there is no real evidence besides "it makes logical sense" and "Egypt said so" am i getting that right they have records written down of wages paid to the workers. we know they weren't slaves they wouldn't have records of unpaid wages if they used slaves, broseph. how do we know those wages aren't for the foremen who did the whipping whenever slaves didn't work fast enough? i think you're more trying to give egypt the benefit of the doubt because it's a notch against the biblical narrative, rather than because it makes sense. ancient civilizations, egypt included, were barbaric and employed slave labor all the time. it's not unreasonable to say that they did it for the huge tasks of building these pyramids. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:886475462] in The story ... [t:75764332]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote>https://www.cbsnews.com/news/more-evidence-slaves-didnt-build-pyramids/</quote> is there real evidence besides "Egypt said so" because this is as useless as Japan's comments on the Rape of Nanking</quote> it makes logical sense. the pyramids were the sacred tombs of people they believed were living gods. they wouldn't want to let a lowly slave have the honor of even touching them</quote> oh okay so basically there is no real evidence besides "it makes logical sense" and "Egypt said so" am i getting that right</quote> they have records written down of wages paid to the workers. we know they weren't slaves</quote> they wouldn't have records of unpaid wages if they used slaves, broseph. how do we know those wages aren't for the foremen who did the whipping whenever slaves didn't work fast enough? i think you're more trying to give egypt the benefit of the doubt because it's a notch against the biblical narrative, rather than because it makes sense. ancient civilizations, egypt included, were barbaric and employed slave labor all the time. it's not unreasonable to say that they did it for the huge tasks of building these pyramids.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DawkinsNumber4 09/12/17 3:22:06 PM #73:	KogaSteelfang posted... DawkinsNumber4 posted... KogaSteelfang posted... "The story of Moses parting the Red Sea is BS, science now says it's actually possible." The logic doesn't exactly flow. Bad paraphrasing is bad. Science doesn't say people can fucking split seas. It says that there is a reason they could have thought that because the conditions to leave the sea dry temporarily are not too unrealistic. The science only indicates that it's an actual possibility that it opened a path when they needed one. Miracle or not, thus only adds validity to the claim that it might've actually happened. Which is kind of the opposite of it being BS. It doesn't add validity to a human parting a sea at all...nor does it add validity to it just magically opening when they needed it either. --- https://soundcloud.com/xsquader - http://youtube.com/xsquader http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/1044-independent-politics - Independent Politics Community Board <cite>DawkinsNumber4 posted [p:886475517] in The story ... [t:75764332]...</cite> <quote><cite>KogaSteelfang posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DawkinsNumber4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KogaSteelfang posted...</cite> <quote>"The story of Moses parting the Red Sea is BS, science now says it's actually possible." The logic doesn't exactly flow.</quote> Bad paraphrasing is bad. Science doesn't say people can fucking split seas. It says that there is a reason they could have thought that because the conditions to leave the sea dry temporarily are not too unrealistic.</quote> The science only indicates that it's an actual possibility that it opened a path when they needed one. Miracle or not, thus only adds validity to the claim that it might've actually happened. Which is kind of the opposite of it being BS.</quote> It doesn't add validity to a human parting a sea at all...nor does it add validity to it just magically opening when they needed it either.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 09/12/17 3:22:53 PM #74:	DawkinsNumber4 posted... KogaSteelfang posted... DawkinsNumber4 posted... KogaSteelfang posted... "The story of Moses parting the Red Sea is BS, science now says it's actually possible." The logic doesn't exactly flow. Bad paraphrasing is bad. Science doesn't say people can fucking split seas. It says that there is a reason they could have thought that because the conditions to leave the sea dry temporarily are not too unrealistic. The science only indicates that it's an actual possibility that it opened a path when they needed one. Miracle or not, thus only adds validity to the claim that it might've actually happened. Which is kind of the opposite of it being BS. It doesn't add validity to a human parting a sea at all... but the bible doesn't say that a human split the sea, does it <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:886475558] in The story ... [t:75764332]...</cite> <quote><cite>DawkinsNumber4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KogaSteelfang posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DawkinsNumber4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KogaSteelfang posted...</cite> <quote>"The story of Moses parting the Red Sea is BS, science now says it's actually possible." The logic doesn't exactly flow.</quote> Bad paraphrasing is bad. Science doesn't say people can fucking split seas. It says that there is a reason they could have thought that because the conditions to leave the sea dry temporarily are not too unrealistic.</quote> The science only indicates that it's an actual possibility that it opened a path when they needed one. Miracle or not, thus only adds validity to the claim that it might've actually happened. Which is kind of the opposite of it being BS.</quote> It doesn't add validity to a human parting a sea at all...</quote> but the bible doesn't say that a human split the sea, does it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DelianSK 09/12/17 3:25:32 PM #75:	Kim Kusanagi posted... But the Pharaoh told Moses he was free to go. Unrecognized 10/10 comment right here. --- DawkinsNumber4 posted... I have no right to object to a public citizen in the US exercising their right to attend a court proceeding. <cite>DelianSK posted [p:886475721] in The story ... [t:75764332]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kim Kusanagi posted...</cite> <quote>But the Pharaoh told Moses he was free to go.</quote> Unrecognized 10/10 comment right here.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DawkinsNumber4 09/12/17 3:26:46 PM #76:	FLUFFYGERM posted... DawkinsNumber4 posted... KogaSteelfang posted... DawkinsNumber4 posted... KogaSteelfang posted... "The story of Moses parting the Red Sea is BS, science now says it's actually possible." The logic doesn't exactly flow. Bad paraphrasing is bad. Science doesn't say people can fucking split seas. It says that there is a reason they could have thought that because the conditions to leave the sea dry temporarily are not too unrealistic. The science only indicates that it's an actual possibility that it opened a path when they needed one. Miracle or not, thus only adds validity to the claim that it might've actually happened. Which is kind of the opposite of it being BS. It doesn't add validity to a human parting a sea at all... but the bible doesn't say that a human split the sea, does it "So it came between the camp of Egypt and the camp of Israel; and there was the cloud along with the darkness, yet it gave light at night (literally describing lightning from a storm). Thus the one did not come near the other all night. Then Moses stretched out his hand over the sea; and the LORD swept the sea back by a strong east wind all night and turned the sea into dry land, so the waters were divided. The sons of Israel went through the midst of the sea on the dry land, and the waters were like a wall to them on their right hand and on their left.…" It definitely implies that Moses had a role in it by mentioning his hand and the LORD (as if he were communicating with the Lord is what it is implying) but it definitely describes the phenemenon I have alleged. --- https://soundcloud.com/xsquader - http://youtube.com/xsquader http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/1044-independent-politics - Independent Politics Community Board <cite>DawkinsNumber4 posted [p:886475783] in The story ... [t:75764332]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DawkinsNumber4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KogaSteelfang posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DawkinsNumber4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KogaSteelfang posted...</cite> <quote>"The story of Moses parting the Red Sea is BS, science now says it's actually possible." The logic doesn't exactly flow.</quote> Bad paraphrasing is bad. Science doesn't say people can fucking split seas. It says that there is a reason they could have thought that because the conditions to leave the sea dry temporarily are not too unrealistic.</quote> The science only indicates that it's an actual possibility that it opened a path when they needed one. Miracle or not, thus only adds validity to the claim that it might've actually happened. Which is kind of the opposite of it being BS.</quote> It doesn't add validity to a human parting a sea at all...</quote> but the bible doesn't say that a human split the sea, does it</quote> "So it came between the camp of Egypt and the camp of Israel; and there was the cloud along with the darkness, yet it gave light at night (literally describing lightning from a storm). Thus the one did not come near the other all night. Then Moses stretched out his hand over the sea; and the LORD swept the sea back by a strong east wind all night and turned the sea into dry land, so the waters were divided. The sons of Israel went through the midst of the sea on the dry land, and the waters were like a wall to them on their right hand and on their left.…" It definitely implies that Moses had a role in it by mentioning his hand and the LORD (as if he were communicating with the Lord is what it is implying) but it definitely describes the phenemenon I have alleged.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 09/12/17 3:27:22 PM #77:	FLUFFYGERM posted... DawkinsNumber4 posted... KogaSteelfang posted... DawkinsNumber4 posted... KogaSteelfang posted... "The story of Moses parting the Red Sea is BS, science now says it's actually possible." The logic doesn't exactly flow. Bad paraphrasing is bad. Science doesn't say people can fucking split seas. It says that there is a reason they could have thought that because the conditions to leave the sea dry temporarily are not too unrealistic. The science only indicates that it's an actual possibility that it opened a path when they needed one. Miracle or not, thus only adds validity to the claim that it might've actually happened. Which is kind of the opposite of it being BS. It doesn't add validity to a human parting a sea at all... but the bible doesn't say that a human split the sea, does it nope God did as in God controlled the weather so Moses walks up and all the sudden the weather parts the sea but who controls the weather? God does even today with machines built to forecast and predict weather, no one can predict as accurately as tc is claiming Moses did even if such a phenomenon existed (it didn't) and Moses saw it happen before (he didn't) there would be no way to predict it this accurately so you are basically attempting to prove God did do it tc so yea they are right people who say it is all made up have better claims then you do. Saying "it did happen but through science! no God needed!" isn't very good --- sigless user is me or am I? <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:886475820] in The story ... [t:75764332]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DawkinsNumber4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KogaSteelfang posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DawkinsNumber4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KogaSteelfang posted...</cite> <quote>"The story of Moses parting the Red Sea is BS, science now says it's actually possible." The logic doesn't exactly flow.</quote> Bad paraphrasing is bad. Science doesn't say people can fucking split seas. It says that there is a reason they could have thought that because the conditions to leave the sea dry temporarily are not too unrealistic.</quote> The science only indicates that it's an actual possibility that it opened a path when they needed one. Miracle or not, thus only adds validity to the claim that it might've actually happened. Which is kind of the opposite of it being BS.</quote> It doesn't add validity to a human parting a sea at all...</quote> but the bible doesn't say that a human split the sea, does it</quote> nope God did as in God controlled the weather so Moses walks up and all the sudden the weather parts the sea but who controls the weather? God does even today with machines built to forecast and predict weather, no one can predict as accurately as tc is claiming Moses did even if such a phenomenon existed (it didn't) and Moses saw it happen before (he didn't) there would be no way to predict it this accurately so you are basically attempting to prove God did do it tc so yea they are right people who say it is all made up have better claims then you do. Saying "it did happen but through science! no God needed!" isn't very good</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 09/12/17 3:29:03 PM #78:	DawkinsNumber4 posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... DawkinsNumber4 posted... KogaSteelfang posted... DawkinsNumber4 posted... KogaSteelfang posted... "The story of Moses parting the Red Sea is BS, science now says it's actually possible." The logic doesn't exactly flow. Bad paraphrasing is bad. Science doesn't say people can fucking split seas. It says that there is a reason they could have thought that because the conditions to leave the sea dry temporarily are not too unrealistic. The science only indicates that it's an actual possibility that it opened a path when they needed one. Miracle or not, thus only adds validity to the claim that it might've actually happened. Which is kind of the opposite of it being BS. It doesn't add validity to a human parting a sea at all... but the bible doesn't say that a human split the sea, does it "So it came between the camp of Egypt and the camp of Israel; and there was the cloud along with the darkness, yet it gave light at night (literally describing lightning from a storm). Thus the one did not come near the other all night. Then Moses stretched out his hand over the sea; and the LORD swept the sea back by a strong east wind all night and turned the sea into dry land, so the waters were divided. The sons of Israel went through the midst of the sea on the dry land, and the waters were like a wall to them on their right hand and on their left.…" It definitely implies that Moses had a role in it by mentioning his hand and the LORD (as if he were communicating with the Lord is what it is implying) but it definitely describes the phenemenon I have alleged. it literally says the LORD did it. are you capable of basic reading comprehension my friend <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:886475900] in The story ... [t:75764332]...</cite> <quote><cite>DawkinsNumber4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DawkinsNumber4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KogaSteelfang posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DawkinsNumber4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KogaSteelfang posted...</cite> <quote>"The story of Moses parting the Red Sea is BS, science now says it's actually possible." The logic doesn't exactly flow.</quote> Bad paraphrasing is bad. Science doesn't say people can fucking split seas. It says that there is a reason they could have thought that because the conditions to leave the sea dry temporarily are not too unrealistic.</quote> The science only indicates that it's an actual possibility that it opened a path when they needed one. Miracle or not, thus only adds validity to the claim that it might've actually happened. Which is kind of the opposite of it being BS.</quote> It doesn't add validity to a human parting a sea at all...</quote> but the bible doesn't say that a human split the sea, does it</quote> "So it came between the camp of Egypt and the camp of Israel; and there was the cloud along with the darkness, yet it gave light at night (literally describing lightning from a storm). Thus the one did not come near the other all night. Then Moses stretched out his hand over the sea; and the LORD swept the sea back by a strong east wind all night and turned the sea into dry land, so the waters were divided. The sons of Israel went through the midst of the sea on the dry land, and the waters were like a wall to them on their right hand and on their left.…" It definitely implies that Moses had a role in it by mentioning his hand and the LORD (as if he were communicating with the Lord is what it is implying) but it definitely describes the phenemenon I have alleged.</quote> it literally says the LORD did it. are you capable of basic reading comprehension my friend</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DawkinsNumber4 09/12/17 3:30:51 PM #79:	darkphoenix181 posted... so Moses walks up and all the sudden the weather parts the sea darkphoenix181 posted... even today with machines built to forecast and predict weather, no one can predict as accurately as tc is claiming Moses did The people of the time were very good at recognizing patterns in the sky. This is the same reason we know that Jesus' birthday was not in December. That was star patterns but given they didn't have the weather channel the elders would surely have to figure out other ways. I'll tell you what though, I know when a storm is gonna be straight shit while it is forming and many people can tell because conditions change. There is no reason to think no one had the ability to know when a really bad storm was coming because we can do that today and we could do it then just by paying attention. It's not like he predicted it days in advance mor is it even alleging that. Also, no God does not create the weather... --- https://soundcloud.com/xsquader - http://youtube.com/xsquader http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/1044-independent-politics - Independent Politics Community Board <cite>DawkinsNumber4 posted [p:886475998] in The story ... [t:75764332]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote>so Moses walks up and all the sudden the weather parts the sea</quote> <cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote>even today with machines built to forecast and predict weather, no one can predict as accurately as tc is claiming Moses did</quote> The people of the time were very good at recognizing patterns in the sky. This is the same reason we know that Jesus' birthday was not in December. That was star patterns but given they didn't have the weather channel the elders would surely have to figure out other ways. I'll tell you what though, I know when a storm is gonna be straight shit while it is forming and many people can tell because conditions change. There is no reason to think no one had the ability to know when a really bad storm was coming because we can do that today and we could do it then just by paying attention. It's not like he predicted it days in advance mor is it even alleging that. Also, no God does not create the weather...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThyCorndog 09/12/17 3:31:14 PM #80:	DawkinsNumber4 posted... ThyCorndog posted... or, you know... moses wasn't real I thought archaeologists (and israeli ones at that) found that the jews never actually were in egypt that early on in history and that the story of moses and the enslaved jews of egypt is essentially their cultural creation story (I'm sure there's a better term for what I mean, but I'm drawing a blank atm) I have not heard that the semites would not have been in Egypt during this time period. I also want to mention that I don't necessarily think it was Moses or that he was a Jew as much as my point is I feel like these stories are not just pulled out of people's asses but told from a primitive perspective. I feel it is likely possible to find events referenced sometimes by looking at what could have happened. semites lived all over that area yeah. but I don't think the israelites were there, so the direct ancestors to the jews were never in egypt at that point in time. I mean it's possible but there's no evidence of any of that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Exodus#Historicity --- Hey what's going on in this thread http://i.imgur.com/6fpKRW8.gif http://i.imgur.com/RNZi0gk.gif <cite>ThyCorndog posted [p:886476025] in The story ... [t:75764332]...</cite> <quote><cite>DawkinsNumber4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ThyCorndog posted...</cite> <quote>or, you know... moses wasn't real I thought archaeologists (and israeli ones at that) found that the jews never actually were in egypt that early on in history and that the story of moses and the enslaved jews of egypt is essentially their cultural creation story (I'm sure there's a better term for what I mean, but I'm drawing a blank atm)</quote> I have not heard that the semites would not have been in Egypt during this time period. I also want to mention that I don't necessarily think it was Moses or that he was a Jew as much as my point is I feel like these stories are not just pulled out of people's asses but told from a primitive perspective. I feel it is likely possible to find events referenced sometimes by looking at what could have happened.</quote> semites lived all over that area yeah. but I don't think the israelites were there, so the direct ancestors to the jews were never in egypt at that point in time. I mean it's possible but there's no evidence of any of that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Exodus#Historicity</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GODTIER 09/12/17 3:31:19 PM #81:	Squader you're not in prison wooo --- #freesquader <cite>GODTIER posted [p:886476027] in The story ... [t:75764332]...</cite> <quote>Squader you're not in prison wooo</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DawkinsNumber4 09/12/17 3:31:37 PM #82:	FLUFFYGERM posted... . Then Moses stretched out his hand over the sea; and the LORD swept the sea " So why mention Moses' hand for no reason? Part of reading comprehension is understanding why all the words are there, not just some of them. They are clearly insinuating that Moses had some sort of divine power to communicate with God or else the statement about the hand would be pointless. --- https://soundcloud.com/xsquader - http://youtube.com/xsquader http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/1044-independent-politics - Independent Politics Community Board <cite>DawkinsNumber4 posted [p:886476050] in The story ... [t:75764332]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>. Then Moses stretched out his hand over the sea; and the LORD swept the sea </quote>" So why mention Moses' hand for no reason? Part of reading comprehension is understanding why all the words are there, not just some of them. They are clearly insinuating that Moses had some sort of divine power to communicate with God or else the statement about the hand would be pointless.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KogaSteelfang 09/12/17 3:31:45 PM #83:	It also says it was the wind that created the path, which is exactly the opening post said is required, so... Yeah. >_> --- What did the pirate say on his 80th birthday? Aye Matey! <cite>KogaSteelfang posted [p:886476060] in The story ... [t:75764332]...</cite> <quote>It also says it was the wind that created the path, which is exactly the opening post said is required, so... Yeah. >_></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DawkinsNumber4 09/12/17 3:33:09 PM #84:	KogaSteelfang posted... It also says it was the wind that created the path, which is exactly the opening post said is required, so... Yeah. >_> So it says it was wind from a storm and not God or some senior citizen communicating with God? Yeah I know, that's literally what this post is about. --- https://soundcloud.com/xsquader - http://youtube.com/xsquader http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/1044-independent-politics - Independent Politics Community Board <cite>DawkinsNumber4 posted [p:886476124] in The story ... [t:75764332]...</cite> <quote><cite>KogaSteelfang posted...</cite> <quote>It also says it was the wind that created the path, which is exactly the opening post said is required, so... Yeah. >_></quote> So it says it was wind from a storm and not God or some senior citizen communicating with God? Yeah I know, that's literally what this post is about.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChromaticAngel 09/12/17 3:35:50 PM #85:	FLUFFYGERM posted... Asherlee10 posted... GOATTHlEF posted... Egypt didn't use slave labor to build the pyramids. I think that you're right. I feel like I saw a documentary that suggested that those Jews were of many tribes that were known for contract labor (paid labor) and the wages weren't paid right or at all and the left. is there actually evidence for this or is it just a case of the victors writing history? would egypt really admit or maintain that they used slaves to build their prized landmarks? There is basically no evidence that Jews ever lived in Egypt during those times and no evidence that Exodus ever happened. There is literally more evidence that the Iliad and the Odyssey are real than Exodus. --- https://puu.sh/tcLsT/24f4611235.png <cite>ChromaticAngel posted [p:886476283] in The story ... [t:75764332]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GOATTHlEF posted...</cite> <quote>Egypt didn't use slave labor to build the pyramids.</quote> I think that you're right. I feel like I saw a documentary that suggested that those Jews were of many tribes that were known for contract labor (paid labor) and the wages weren't paid right or at all and the left.</quote> is there actually evidence for this or is it just a case of the victors writing history? would egypt really admit or maintain that they used slaves to build their prized landmarks?</quote> There is basically no evidence that Jews ever lived in Egypt during those times and no evidence that Exodus ever happened. There is literally more evidence that the Iliad and the Odyssey are real than Exodus.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThyCorndog 09/12/17 3:37:34 PM #86:	ChromaticAngel posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... Asherlee10 posted... GOATTHlEF posted... Egypt didn't use slave labor to build the pyramids. I think that you're right. I feel like I saw a documentary that suggested that those Jews were of many tribes that were known for contract labor (paid labor) and the wages weren't paid right or at all and the left. is there actually evidence for this or is it just a case of the victors writing history? would egypt really admit or maintain that they used slaves to build their prized landmarks? There is basically no evidence that Jews ever lived in Egypt during those times and no evidence that Exodus ever happened. There is literally more evidence that the Iliad and the Odyssey are real than Exodus. yeah and it was israeli archaeologists that looked into it and concluded there's no real historicity behind the exodus. it's really only religious literalists that still think it happened after looking at the facts. it's about as real as adam and eve --- Hey what's going on in this thread http://i.imgur.com/6fpKRW8.gif http://i.imgur.com/RNZi0gk.gif <cite>ThyCorndog posted [p:886476364] in The story ... [t:75764332]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChromaticAngel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GOATTHlEF posted...</cite> <quote>Egypt didn't use slave labor to build the pyramids.</quote> I think that you're right. I feel like I saw a documentary that suggested that those Jews were of many tribes that were known for contract labor (paid labor) and the wages weren't paid right or at all and the left.</quote> is there actually evidence for this or is it just a case of the victors writing history? would egypt really admit or maintain that they used slaves to build their prized landmarks?</quote> There is basically no evidence that Jews ever lived in Egypt during those times and no evidence that Exodus ever happened. There is literally more evidence that the Iliad and the Odyssey are real than Exodus.</quote> yeah and it was israeli archaeologists that looked into it and concluded there's no real historicity behind the exodus. it's really only religious literalists that still think it happened after looking at the facts. it's about as real as adam and eve</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DawkinsNumber4 09/12/17 3:40:51 PM #87:	ThyCorndog posted... ChromaticAngel posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... Asherlee10 posted... GOATTHlEF posted... Egypt didn't use slave labor to build the pyramids. I think that you're right. I feel like I saw a documentary that suggested that those Jews were of many tribes that were known for contract labor (paid labor) and the wages weren't paid right or at all and the left. is there actually evidence for this or is it just a case of the victors writing history? would egypt really admit or maintain that they used slaves to build their prized landmarks? There is basically no evidence that Jews ever lived in Egypt during those times and no evidence that Exodus ever happened. There is literally more evidence that the Iliad and the Odyssey are real than Exodus. yeah and it was israeli archaeologists that looked into it and concluded there's no real historicity behind the exodus. it's really only religious literalists that still think it happened after looking at the facts. it's about as real as adam and eve I don't think they were necessarily Jews. I think the story is based on an actual event and I think whoever the people were were semitic, but not necessarily Jews. I also don't care a whole lot about that aspect with this topic though and mostly just want to figure out where the hell this story came from because I do assume they aren't totally baseless and it's always fun to figure out what really happened. --- https://soundcloud.com/xsquader - http://youtube.com/xsquader http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/1044-independent-politics - Independent Politics Community Board <cite>DawkinsNumber4 posted [p:886476540] in The story ... [t:75764332]...</cite> <quote><cite>ThyCorndog posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ChromaticAngel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GOATTHlEF posted...</cite> <quote>Egypt didn't use slave labor to build the pyramids.</quote> I think that you're right. I feel like I saw a documentary that suggested that those Jews were of many tribes that were known for contract labor (paid labor) and the wages weren't paid right or at all and the left.</quote> is there actually evidence for this or is it just a case of the victors writing history? would egypt really admit or maintain that they used slaves to build their prized landmarks?</quote> There is basically no evidence that Jews ever lived in Egypt during those times and no evidence that Exodus ever happened. There is literally more evidence that the Iliad and the Odyssey are real than Exodus.</quote> yeah and it was israeli archaeologists that looked into it and concluded there's no real historicity behind the exodus. it's really only religious literalists that still think it happened after looking at the facts. it's about as real as adam and eve</quote> I don't think they were necessarily Jews. I think the story is based on an actual event and I think whoever the people were were semitic, but not necessarily Jews. I also don't care a whole lot about that aspect with this topic though and mostly just want to figure out where the hell this story came from because I do assume they aren't totally baseless and it's always fun to figure out what really happened.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KogaSteelfang 09/12/17 3:42:49 PM #88:	DawkinsNumber4 posted... KogaSteelfang posted... It also says it was the wind that created the path, which is exactly the opening post said is required, so... Yeah. >_> So it says it was wind from a storm and not God or some senior citizen communicating with God? Yeah I know, that's literally what this post is about. What difference does it make? Science will never be able to prove, or disprove God. You're drawing a distinction between the parting of the Red Sea, and Moses parting the Red Sea just to have a point at all because everything you posted negates the claim you make in the title and op. You seem to just want to insert your own belief(that there is no God) into some fact you just learned about, and use it as a tool against biblical accounts, when in actuality you only just very thoroughly proved that it could've happened exactly as it's depicted in the bible, whether it was coincidence or miracle doesn't really matter. You've pretty much proven it's not BS at all. --- What did the pirate say on his 80th birthday? Aye Matey! <cite>KogaSteelfang posted [p:886476656] in The story ... [t:75764332]...</cite> <quote><cite>DawkinsNumber4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KogaSteelfang posted...</cite> <quote>It also says it was the wind that created the path, which is exactly the opening post said is required, so... Yeah. >_></quote> So it says it was wind from a storm and not God or some senior citizen communicating with God? Yeah I know, that's literally what this post is about.</quote> What difference does it make? Science will never be able to prove, or disprove God. You're drawing a distinction between the parting of the Red Sea, and Moses parting the Red Sea just to have a point at all because everything you posted negates the claim you make in the title and op. You seem to just want to insert your own belief(that there is no God) into some fact you just learned about, and use it as a tool against biblical accounts, when in actuality you only just very thoroughly proved that it could've happened exactly as it's depicted in the bible, whether it was coincidence or miracle doesn't really matter. You've pretty much proven it's not BS at all.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThyCorndog 09/12/17 3:44:15 PM #89:	DawkinsNumber4 posted... ThyCorndog posted... ChromaticAngel posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... Asherlee10 posted... GOATTHlEF posted... Egypt didn't use slave labor to build the pyramids. I think that you're right. I feel like I saw a documentary that suggested that those Jews were of many tribes that were known for contract labor (paid labor) and the wages weren't paid right or at all and the left. is there actually evidence for this or is it just a case of the victors writing history? would egypt really admit or maintain that they used slaves to build their prized landmarks? There is basically no evidence that Jews ever lived in Egypt during those times and no evidence that Exodus ever happened. There is literally more evidence that the Iliad and the Odyssey are real than Exodus. yeah and it was israeli archaeologists that looked into it and concluded there's no real historicity behind the exodus. it's really only religious literalists that still think it happened after looking at the facts. it's about as real as adam and eve I don't think they were necessarily Jews. I think the story is based on an actual event and I think whoever the people were were semitic, but not necessarily Jews. I also don't care a whole lot about that aspect with this topic though and mostly just want to figure out where the hell this story came from because I do assume they aren't totally baseless and it's always fun to figure out what really happened. I could buy that there were some semitic speaking people in the area and that the story was changed over time into what it became. no real evidence either way, but it's a possibility --- Hey what's going on in this thread http://i.imgur.com/6fpKRW8.gif http://i.imgur.com/RNZi0gk.gif <cite>ThyCorndog posted [p:886476745] in The story ... [t:75764332]...</cite> <quote><cite>DawkinsNumber4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ThyCorndog posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ChromaticAngel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GOATTHlEF posted...</cite> <quote>Egypt didn't use slave labor to build the pyramids.</quote> I think that you're right. I feel like I saw a documentary that suggested that those Jews were of many tribes that were known for contract labor (paid labor) and the wages weren't paid right or at all and the left.</quote> is there actually evidence for this or is it just a case of the victors writing history? would egypt really admit or maintain that they used slaves to build their prized landmarks?</quote> There is basically no evidence that Jews ever lived in Egypt during those times and no evidence that Exodus ever happened. There is literally more evidence that the Iliad and the Odyssey are real than Exodus.</quote> yeah and it was israeli archaeologists that looked into it and concluded there's no real historicity behind the exodus. it's really only religious literalists that still think it happened after looking at the facts. it's about as real as adam and eve</quote> I don't think they were necessarily Jews. I think the story is based on an actual event and I think whoever the people were were semitic, but not necessarily Jews. I also don't care a whole lot about that aspect with this topic though and mostly just want to figure out where the hell this story came from because I do assume they aren't totally baseless and it's always fun to figure out what really happened.</quote> I could buy that there were some semitic speaking people in the area and that the story was changed over time into what it became. no real evidence either way, but it's a possibility</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Verdekal 09/12/17 3:45:28 PM #90:	Wasn't there a wall of fire? --- Don't tease the octopus, kids! <cite>Verdekal posted [p:886476807] in The story ... [t:75764332]...</cite> <quote>Wasn't there a wall of fire?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChromaticAngel 09/12/17 3:46:22 PM #91:	Verdekal posted... Wasn't there a wall of fire? wall of fire was Garden of Eden. Bush on Fire is moses. --- https://puu.sh/tcLsT/24f4611235.png <cite>ChromaticAngel posted [p:886476860] in The story ... [t:75764332]...</cite> <quote><cite>Verdekal posted...</cite> <quote>Wasn't there a wall of fire?</quote> wall of fire was Garden of Eden. Bush on Fire is moses.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DawkinsNumber4 09/12/17 3:46:22 PM #92:	KogaSteelfang posted... because everything you posted negates the claim you make in the title and op So my words support the claim that a senior citizen communicated with a supernatural being who then opened the sea for him? Get the fuck outta here with that bullshit. --- https://soundcloud.com/xsquader - http://youtube.com/xsquader http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/1044-independent-politics - Independent Politics Community Board <cite>DawkinsNumber4 posted [p:886476861] in The story ... [t:75764332]...</cite> <quote><cite>KogaSteelfang posted...</cite> <quote>because everything you posted negates the claim you make in the title and op</quote> So my words support the claim that a senior citizen communicated with a supernatural being who then opened the sea for him? Get the fuck outta here with that bullshit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DawkinsNumber4 09/12/17 3:47:09 PM #93:	ChromaticAngel posted... Verdekal posted... Wasn't there a wall of fire? wall of fire was Garden of Eden. Bush on Fire is moses. I still think they would get stoned (not like killed but you know) and hallucinate and say that was God too just like they did with everything else they didn't understand. --- https://soundcloud.com/xsquader - http://youtube.com/xsquader http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/1044-independent-politics - Independent Politics Community Board <cite>DawkinsNumber4 posted [p:886476906] in The story ... [t:75764332]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChromaticAngel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Verdekal posted...</cite> <quote>Wasn't there a wall of fire?</quote> wall of fire was Garden of Eden. Bush on Fire is moses.</quote> I still think they would get stoned (not like killed but you know) and hallucinate and say that was God too just like they did with everything else they didn't understand.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Verdekal 09/12/17 3:48:33 PM #94:	ChromaticAngel posted... Verdekal posted... Wasn't there a wall of fire? wall of fire was Garden of Eden. Bush on Fire is moses. Idk I just thought a wall of fire stopped Pharaoh from charging into the divide too soon. --- Don't tease the octopus, kids! <cite>Verdekal posted [p:886476993] in The story ... [t:75764332]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChromaticAngel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Verdekal posted...</cite> <quote>Wasn't there a wall of fire?</quote> wall of fire was Garden of Eden. Bush on Fire is moses.</quote> Idk I just thought a wall of fire stopped Pharaoh from charging into the divide too soon.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 09/12/17 3:51:51 PM #95:	DawkinsNumber4 posted... The people of the time were very good at recognizing patterns in the sky. This is the same reason we know that Jesus' birthday was not in December. That was star patterns but given they didn't have the weather channel the elders would surely have to figure out other ways. I'll tell you what though, I know when a storm is gonna be straight s* while it is forming and many people can tell because conditions change. There is no reason to think no one had the ability to know when a really bad storm was coming because we can do that today and we could do it then just by paying attention. It's not like he predicted it days in advance mor is it even alleging that. Also, no God does not create the weather... So their secret ancient wisdom was lost and doppler radar is trash? lmao you are literally saying Moses could tell a storm was coming days ahead such that he convinces Pharoah to let the people go and walk by foot towards the sea AS SOON as they arrive at the sea the storm starts up not only this but Moses predicted the exact spot of the sea that would be parted and lead the people correctly there doppler cannot even do half of this --- sigless user is me or am I? <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:886477190] in The story ... [t:75764332]...</cite> <quote><cite>DawkinsNumber4 posted...</cite> <quote> The people of the time were very good at recognizing patterns in the sky. This is the same reason we know that Jesus' birthday was not in December. That was star patterns but given they didn't have the weather channel the elders would surely have to figure out other ways. I'll tell you what though, I know when a storm is gonna be straight s* while it is forming and many people can tell because conditions change. There is no reason to think no one had the ability to know when a really bad storm was coming because we can do that today and we could do it then just by paying attention. It's not like he predicted it days in advance mor is it even alleging that. Also, no God does not create the weather...</quote> So their secret ancient wisdom was lost and doppler radar is trash? lmao you are literally saying Moses could tell a storm was coming days ahead such that he convinces Pharoah to let the people go and walk by foot towards the sea AS SOON as they arrive at the sea the storm starts up not only this but Moses predicted the exact spot of the sea that would be parted and lead the people correctly there doppler cannot even do half of this</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DawkinsNumber4 09/12/17 3:52:15 PM #96:	Verdekal posted... ChromaticAngel posted... Verdekal posted... Wasn't there a wall of fire? wall of fire was Garden of Eden. Bush on Fire is moses. Idk I just thought a wall of fire stopped Pharaoh from charging into the divide too soon. Like something getting struck by lightning? Remember they commonly attributed weather and natural disasters to God. "17 When Pharaoh let the people go, God did not lead them by way of the land of the Philistines, although that was near. For God said, “Lest the people change their minds when they see war and return to Egypt.” 18 But God led the people around by the way of the wilderness toward the Red Sea. And the people of Israel went up out of the land of Egypt equipped for battle. 19 Moses took the bones of Joseph with him, for Joseph[a] had made the sons of Israel solemnly swear, saying, “God will surely visit you, and you shall carry up my bones with you from here.” 20 And they moved on from Succoth and encamped at Etham, on the edge of the wilderness. 21 And the Lord went before them by day in a pillar of cloud to lead them along the way, and by night in a pillar of fire to give them light, that they might travel by day and by night. 22 The pillar of cloud by day and the pillar of fire by night did not depart from before the people." I still say it sounds very possible that it was a plan and they knew the storm was coming and followed it. It also sounds plausible that lightning caused fires which they also attributed to God. BTW a lightning bolt can be up to 5 times hotter than the surface of the sun. --- https://soundcloud.com/xsquader - http://youtube.com/xsquader http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/1044-independent-politics - Independent Politics Community Board <cite>DawkinsNumber4 posted [p:886477210] in The story ... [t:75764332]...</cite> <quote><cite>Verdekal posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ChromaticAngel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Verdekal posted...</cite> <quote>Wasn't there a wall of fire?</quote> wall of fire was Garden of Eden. Bush on Fire is moses.</quote> Idk I just thought a wall of fire stopped Pharaoh from charging into the divide too soon.</quote> Like something getting struck by lightning? Remember they commonly attributed weather and natural disasters to God. "17 When Pharaoh let the people go, God did not lead them by way of the land of the Philistines, although that was near. For God said, “Lest the people change their minds when they see war and return to Egypt.” 18 But God led the people around by the way of the wilderness toward the Red Sea. And the people of Israel went up out of the land of Egypt equipped for battle. 19 Moses took the bones of Joseph with him, for Joseph[a] had made the sons of Israel solemnly swear, saying, “God will surely visit you, and you shall carry up my bones with you from here.” 20 And they moved on from Succoth and encamped at Etham, on the edge of the wilderness. 21 And the Lord went before them by day in a pillar of cloud to lead them along the way, and by night in a pillar of fire to give them light, that they might travel by day and by night. 22 The pillar of cloud by day and the pillar of fire by night did not depart from before the people." I still say it sounds very possible that it was a plan and they knew the storm was coming and followed it. It also sounds plausible that lightning caused fires which they also attributed to God. BTW a lightning bolt can be up to 5 times hotter than the surface of the sun.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DawkinsNumber4 09/12/17 3:53:02 PM #97:	darkphoenix181 posted... AS SOON as they arrive at the sea the storm starts up Where do you get this information? It is not correct. Also, if Moses had seen 2 or more storms in his lifetime with 67 mph winds (less speed than a category 1 hurricane) then he would have known that effect of such a storm. "So it came between the camp of Egypt and the camp of Israel; and there was the cloud along with the darkness, yet it gave light at night. Thus the one did not come near the other all night. " This is describing a storm that had been going all night. --- https://soundcloud.com/xsquader - http://youtube.com/xsquader http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/1044-independent-politics - Independent Politics Community Board <cite>DawkinsNumber4 posted [p:886477251] in The story ... [t:75764332]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote>AS SOON as they arrive at the sea the storm starts up</quote> Where do you get this information? It is not correct. Also, if Moses had seen 2 or more storms in his lifetime with 67 mph winds (less speed than a category 1 hurricane) then he would have known that effect of such a storm. "So it came between the camp of Egypt and the camp of Israel; and there was the cloud along with the darkness, yet it gave light at night. Thus the one did not come near the other all night. " This is describing a storm that had been going all night.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 09/12/17 3:53:08 PM #98:	ThyCorndog posted... ChromaticAngel posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... Asherlee10 posted... GOATTHlEF posted... Egypt didn't use slave labor to build the pyramids. I think that you're right. I feel like I saw a documentary that suggested that those Jews were of many tribes that were known for contract labor (paid labor) and the wages weren't paid right or at all and the left. is there actually evidence for this or is it just a case of the victors writing history? would egypt really admit or maintain that they used slaves to build their prized landmarks? There is basically no evidence that Jews ever lived in Egypt during those times and no evidence that Exodus ever happened. There is literally more evidence that the Iliad and the Odyssey are real than Exodus. yeah and it was israeli archaeologists that looked into it and concluded there's no real historicity behind the exodus. it's really only religious literalists that still think it happened after looking at the facts. it's about as real as adam and eve source? <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:886477255] in The story ... [t:75764332]...</cite> <quote><cite>ThyCorndog posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ChromaticAngel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GOATTHlEF posted...</cite> <quote>Egypt didn't use slave labor to build the pyramids.</quote> I think that you're right. I feel like I saw a documentary that suggested that those Jews were of many tribes that were known for contract labor (paid labor) and the wages weren't paid right or at all and the left.</quote> is there actually evidence for this or is it just a case of the victors writing history? would egypt really admit or maintain that they used slaves to build their prized landmarks?</quote> There is basically no evidence that Jews ever lived in Egypt during those times and no evidence that Exodus ever happened. There is literally more evidence that the Iliad and the Odyssey are real than Exodus.</quote> yeah and it was israeli archaeologists that looked into it and concluded there's no real historicity behind the exodus. it's really only religious literalists that still think it happened after looking at the facts. it's about as real as adam and eve</quote> source?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 09/12/17 3:54:30 PM #99:	DawkinsNumber4 posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... . Then Moses stretched out his hand over the sea; and the LORD swept the sea " So why mention Moses' hand for no reason? Part of reading comprehension is understanding why all the words are there, not just some of them. They are clearly insinuating that Moses had some sort of divine power to communicate with God or else the statement about the hand would be pointless. it literally says a deity did the splitting of the sea, not moses. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:886477330] in The story ... [t:75764332]...</cite> <quote><cite>DawkinsNumber4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>. Then Moses stretched out his hand over the sea; and the LORD swept the sea </quote>" So why mention Moses' hand for no reason? Part of reading comprehension is understanding why all the words are there, not just some of them. They are clearly insinuating that Moses had some sort of divine power to communicate with God or else the statement about the hand would be pointless.</quote> it literally says a deity did the splitting of the sea, not moses.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DawkinsNumber4 09/12/17 3:55:22 PM #100:	FLUFFYGERM posted... So why mention Moses' hand for no reason? Part of reading comprehension is understanding why all the words are there, not just some of them. You are selectively reading, but your interpretation disregards the majority of the relevant sentence and its meaning. --- https://soundcloud.com/xsquader - http://youtube.com/xsquader http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/1044-independent-politics - Independent Politics Community Board <cite>DawkinsNumber4 posted [p:886477376] in The story ... [t:75764332]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>So why mention Moses' hand for no reason? Part of reading comprehension is understanding why all the words are there, not just some of them.</quote> You are selectively reading, but your interpretation disregards the majority of the relevant sentence and its meaning.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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