Current Events > When did race relations start getting worse again?

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Things seemed to be improving for a while but not anymore. Is it just the rise of social media giving more people voices? Was it the Trayvon incident?
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At the exact moment of Obama's birth
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When those damn elves started taking advantage of the oblivion crisis
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i think the shooting of trayvon martin started it but the ferguson riots really set it all in motion
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YoshitoKikuchi posted...

Things seemed to be improving for a while but not anymore. Is it just the rise of social media giving more people voices? Was it the Trayvon incident?

Yes. That followed by cops shooting unarmed black people without consequences and having it plastered all over the news. It feels like the media is purposely trying to divide people
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Race relations haven't changed at all for me. Idk what everyone's talking about.
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Ferguson
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BilalPowell posted...

Race relations haven't changed at all for me. Idk what everyone's talking about.

Things were relatively relaxed for most of the 90s and 2000s
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Social media.
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There were no Ferguson riots

YoshitoKikuchi posted...

Is it just the rise of social media giving more people voices?

Basically it used to be that people mostly used actual interaction with real humans in person to develop a worldview. We had a sense of humanity that we could see in one another. TV allowed some shit to get through the filter, but for the most part things were fine. Then as the internet got bigger and bigger, we didn't have to look each other in the eyes anymore as we spread idiotic shit and hatred, and instead of getting corrected by people we loved and respected, we could protect ourselves from reality by finding like-minded individuals who were just as stupid as us. Once we created our own little bubbles, we saw only the information we wanted to see, and believed it instantly regardless of the source.

To blame it on Trayvon or Ferguson isn't realistic. Things started getting "worse" because of the internet. And it's not likely to get better anytime soon.
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Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman
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The emergence of the SJW scene
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Los_Angeles_riots
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cincinnati_riots_of_2001

Now let's all discuss the similarities between these and modern day America.
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That_Happened posted...

YoshitoKikuchi posted...

Is it just the rise of social media giving more people voices?

Basically it used to be that people mostly used actual interaction with real humans in person to develop a worldview. We had a sense of humanity that we could see in one another. TV allowed some shit to get through the filter, but for the most part things were fine. Then as the internet got bigger and bigger, we didn't have to look each other in the eyes anymore as we spread idiotic shit and hatred, and instead of getting corrected by people we loved and respected, we could protect ourselves from reality by finding like-minded individuals who were just as stupid as us. Once we created our own little bubbles, we saw only the information we wanted to see, and believed it instantly regardless of the source.

To blame it on Trayvon or Ferguson isn't realistic. Things started getting "worse" because of the internet. And it's not likely to get better anytime soon.

Why did it only seem to get particularly bad the past few years though?
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George Bush doesn't care about black people
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Obama's election. There was a noticeable increase in recruitment by white supremacist organizations as a result of Obama's election.
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With the rise of the tea party. The accusations of them being a racist reactionary response suddenly become very apt now that they've become apologists for Trump performing the same actions to a greater magnitude than Obama did.
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emblem boy posted...

At the exact moment of Obama's birth

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I don't think they've gotten worse per se; I think the prevalence of cellphone cameras and social media have made these tensions harder for some people to ignore.
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the police shootings led to the rise of BLM and I feel like BLM has created a divide between white and black americans. police shootings are bad and sad, but I feel like BLM blames all white people for them, and just acts overly mean and aggressive. they even drive away some people who might have been an ally.

Zikten posted...

the police shootings led to the rise of BLM and I feel like BLM has created a divide between white and black americans. police shootings are bad and sad, but I feel like BLM blames all white people for them, and just acts overly mean and aggressive. they even drive away some people who might have been an ally.

Attitudes like these are why race relations have gotten worse.
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Kineth posted...

Attitudes like these are why race relations have gotten worse.

I was on Travon's side. But I have always been against BLM. they are too violent. and they riot even when the black guy was in the wrong. there are some shootings I am against, but some shootings were justified. BLM thinks ALL shootings are unjustified. and they picked the wrong guy for their mascot. that guy that robbed a store and then ran outside and tried to punch a cop. if they had picked Trayvon for their mascot maybe I would be softer towards them.

Started with September 11th
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Romulox28 posted...

i think the shooting of trayvon martin started it but the ferguson riots really set it all in motion

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philsov posted...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Los_Angeles_riots
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cincinnati_riots_of_2001

Now let's all discuss the similarities between these and modern day America.

Well I learned something today. I had no idea about the Cincinnati riot
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Antifar posted...

I don't think they've gotten worse per se; I think the prevalence of cellphone cameras and social media have made these tensions harder for some people to ignore.

This. Hell a guy who happened to carry a video camera with him caught a black guy getting gang bashed by cops and that triggered the LA riots in the early 90's.

Nowadays everyone has a camera.
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When obama took sides onthe Trayvon matting thing.
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emblem boy posted...

At the exact moment of Obama's birth

seriously though, republicans actually blame him for this race shit, its amazing.
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--kresnik-- posted...

When obama took sides onthe Trayvon matting thing.

Yeah that's true.
I don't think the President should have been prematurely commenting on things like that but he did it almost every single time.

GOATSLAYER posted...

BilalPowell posted...

Race relations haven't changed at all for me. Idk what everyone's talking about.

Things were relatively relaxed for most of the 90s and 2000s

This has to be a joke.
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BrownBearKing posted...

GOATSLAYER posted...

BilalPowell posted...

Race relations haven't changed at all for me. Idk what everyone's talking about.

Things were relatively relaxed for most of the 90s and 2000s

This has to be a joke.

this site is full of kids who weren't alive in the 90s
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You could probably get PhD in this subject.

IMO:
1. Media
2. Social Media
3. Lack of real problems that require a country's effort

I think racism is an issue, but no where to the point the media makes it out to be. I have a feeling that the millennial generation will be the one to really get a handle on it- if the narrative changes from how it's improving over why we're all awful.

Even in the mild south, I don't see racism to a point where it'd really hold a person back. Usually if someone is racist, they get ganged up on. I've also seen a lot of the older racist guys in power starting to retire and losing influence. All they want to do is golf and hate their children.
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BootyGif posted...

BrownBearKing posted...

GOATSLAYER posted...

BilalPowell posted...

Race relations haven't changed at all for me. Idk what everyone's talking about.

Things were relatively relaxed for most of the 90s and 2000s

This has to be a joke.

this site is full of kids who weren't alive in the 90s

There's been more racial tension the past 5-7 years it seems.
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Under Obama was when things really started going down hill.

A combination of the media race baiting over the Trayvon and Mike Brown cases, the proliferation of social media that gives every idiot a voice, the millennial desire to virtue signal and express fake outrage, the rise of the identity politics movement by the left, and the natural victim complex of some people who don't want to take personal responsibility.
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is this a serious fuckin question?
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Obama destroyed race relations. Clinton basically fixed the remaining his issues with race relations during his presidency. By the time Bush took office there was no more work with race relations to be done, plus he had to focus on the war anyways. Then Obama came along and basically destroyed race relations for the purpose of selling his socialist/communist agenda.
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GOATSLAYER posted...

BilalPowell posted...

Race relations haven't changed at all for me. Idk what everyone's talking about.

Things were relatively relaxed for most of the 90s and 2000s

It really was the same then the difference is now the media covers the race incidents more.
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apocalyptic_4 posted...

GOATSLAYER posted...

BilalPowell posted...

Race relations haven't changed at all for me. Idk what everyone's talking about.

Things were relatively relaxed for most of the 90s and 2000s

It really was the same then the difference is now the media covers the race incidents more.

Nah, it was objectively better. I'm sure black people dealt with most/all of the same shit from cops and whatnot that they do now, but there wasn't a victim mentality that fractures the two groups and creates poor relations. This is pretty much reflected in every poll that's done to measure the issue:


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philsov posted...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Los_Angeles_riots
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cincinnati_riots_of_2001

Now let's all discuss the similarities between these and modern day America.

I'm in love with your context.
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The Admiral posted...

apocalyptic_4 posted...

GOATSLAYER posted...

BilalPowell posted...

Race relations haven't changed at all for me. Idk what everyone's talking about.

Things were relatively relaxed for most of the 90s and 2000s

It really was the same then the difference is now the media covers the race incidents more.

Nah, it was objectively better. I'm sure black people dealt with most/all of the same shit from cops and whatnot that they do now, but there wasn't a victim mentality that fractures the two groups and creates poor relations. This is pretty much reflected in every poll that's done to measure the issue:

So, since 2013 is when there was a marked decline.
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Here's an interesting chart from Google Trends about the rise in searches for the term "white privilege." It basically peaks at the same time relations begin to plummet in 2015. The left's use of that term and push for identity politics has been nothing but an abysmal failure, and it's about time people start really holding them accountable for it.


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The Admiral posted...

Nah, it was objectively better. I'm sure black people dealt with most/all of the same shit from cops and whatnot that they do now, but there wasn't a victim mentality that fractures the two groups and creates poor relations.

The "driving while black" thing has been around for decades. If CE had existed back then you'd be saying the exact same "victim mentality" stuff you're saying now. Literally nothing has changed except the advance of technology, which means camera phones and internet.
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That_Happened posted...

The Admiral posted...

Nah, it was objectively better. I'm sure black people dealt with most/all of the same shit from cops and whatnot that they do now, but there wasn't a victim mentality that fractures the two groups and creates poor relations.

The "driving while black" thing has been around for decades. If CE had existed back then you'd be saying the exact same "victim mentality" stuff you're saying now. Literally nothing has changed except the advance of technology, which means camera phones and internet.

Yeah, and that was a police issue, not a race issue between black and white citizens. The fact that liberals now blame these things on white privilege and white supremacy, along with the fact that BLM always has some group of idiots chanting anti-white racist shit at their rallies, has tanked relations.

Take responsibility for the mess your side created already.
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The current state of the nation is the result of tons of different things during a broad period of time. Part of it is the fact that the removal of segregation only eliminated the legal possibility, but the actual state of the neighborhoods at the time of segregation only very slowly started to change thereafter, and some arguably never did. And so, the conditions there largely stayed the same or got worse, which only helped fuel the sorts of expectation in and out of the community. It all turned into a cyclical mess.

Couple that with the progression of social justice in this nation, and you've basically got a bomb with a short fuse. Naturally, the millennial generation was raised under the idea of equality for all people (which makes sense considering they were born shortly following and during multiple civil rights movements). This is good, but it also helped set the stage for what was to come. Because you add social media's ability to give everyone their own voice, it's easy for people raised with that idea to begin supporting equality for everyone and everything by default, without even evaluating the claims being stated.

Then there's the fact that social media and the explosion of information through the internet has basically turned the generation into a race to see who can be the "most" and the "best" and the "unique," which further hampers proper evaluation (since that takes time). Meanwhile, various people notice and point out that equal isn't really equal and we still have some issues that the law hasn't or can't deal with. And some people take the next step and claim that the system is so fundamentally broken that to be part of the non-oppressed makes you an automatic oppressor by virtue of not experiencing the oppressed's plight first hand.

This ruffles the feathers of those who have essentially and literally been called racist, because not only do people just not like being called a racist in general, but especially the current generations that have grown up believing that being a racist is one of the absolute worst things you could possibly be. So there's blow-back from that.

Over time, people group together to stand against the idea that they aren't racist. Among them, white supremacist and neo-nazis also take part. In response to the those elements, the opposing side feels threatened that things might head back to the times of segregation or even worse. And some of them feel like they must defend themselves against what they feel to be a very real danger to their livelihood.

The parts of the first group that weren't white supremacist now feel like they've been lumped together with the worse parts that this new group is fighting against. So they become more active and start taking more forceful stances.

And now everything's shit.
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I disagree that race relations are worse in America.

Yes. White people were happier in the previous two decades not knowing there is a problem, but as has already been mentioned, non-white people have always dealt with the inescapable fall out of that problem. One side living in blissful ignorance white the other stews in silent resentment isn't 'objectively better.' The implicit power imbalance on display bares a lot of similarities to dysfunctional or abusive relationships plagued with major communication problems.

Talking earnestly about that problem without getting defensive still isn't something we can quite come to yet. But letting the conversation topic die so we can return to the illusion of cohesion from the eighties and nineties is the last thing non-white America should want, because when people in power are content there is nothing motivating them to change the status quo. I would argue race relations are better now than they were because we're no longer silently stewing in our dysfunction, but trying to directly address it, and negotiate something better.
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hollow_shrine posted...

One side living in blissful ignorance white the other stews in silent resentment isn't 'objectively better.'

That's not what the poll in 41 shows. Both white and black people reported better race relations then and worse race relations now.
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The Admiral posted...

Yeah, and that was a police issue, not a race issue between black and white citizens.

It was originally just a police issue. And it was generally agreed that for various reasons the police ARE tougher on black people.

But then the internet happened and suddenly you could see all these conservatives come out of the woodwork to defend the police in every instance, even when they were clearly in the wrong. The flipside of this is stuff like Michael Brown, where liberals can't bring themselves to admit that the criminal was clearly in the wrong. So no, to pin it all on liberals is wrong.
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