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littlebro07
09/06/17 12:50:18 PM
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Those kids are citizens, right? Do they have to get sent with their parents or do they get thrown into foster care if the parents can't arrange something else?
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Unsugarized_Foo
09/06/17 12:52:14 PM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anchor_baby
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Duncanwii
09/06/17 12:52:39 PM
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Yeah kids born here are citizens, but of course Republicans are trying to get rid of that even though it's in you know the constitution. But Conservatives only care about that when it is convenient to them.
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OrtegaTron
09/06/17 12:53:21 PM
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This is one of the many reasons congress has done nothing to fix immigration through legislation. How do you deport a citizen?
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jpe_1337
09/06/17 12:54:23 PM
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Duncanwii posted...
Yeah kids born here are citizens, but of course Republicans are trying to get rid of that even though it's in you know the constitution. But Conservatives only care about that when it is convenient to them.

I'd like to know where you got that info from.
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Blue_Dream87
09/06/17 12:55:16 PM
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Well they're US citizens. Won't stop some shit heads from deporting them to a country they aren't from.
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OrtegaTron
09/06/17 12:56:59 PM
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Blue_Dream87 posted...
Well they're US citizens. Won't stop some shit heads from deporting them to a country they aren't from.

Yeah, it does. Any proof of that happening, ever? People would flip their shit, both sides of the fence. Obama just kicked the can down the road with DACA, it wasn't legislative reform.
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Duncanwii
09/06/17 12:57:45 PM
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jpe_1337 posted...
Duncanwii posted...
Yeah kids born here are citizens, but of course Republicans are trying to get rid of that even though it's in you know the constitution. But Conservatives only care about that when it is convenient to them.

I'd like to know where you got that info from.

Well for starters Trump said this just yesterday
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/09/04/trump-gop-should-keep-daca-but-scrap-birthright-citizenship.html

Trump really cares about the constitution doesn't he?
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Caution999
09/06/17 1:01:16 PM
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It's high time in this country that we close this loophole, and cut off illegal immigrants' children that were born here, and deport them alongside their parents.

Going forward, anyway. Starting with people born tomorrow.
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OpheliaAdenade
09/06/17 1:02:03 PM
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Caution999 posted...
It's high time in this country that we close this loophole, and cut off illegal immigrants' children that were born here, and deport them alongside their parents.

Going forward, anyway. Starting with people born tomorrow.


It's in the constitution though Caution. :u
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Caution999
09/06/17 1:02:43 PM
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It's a legal loophole.

It's time we fix the mistake. I really don't think the founding fathers thought "You know what? If an illegal immigrant comes in here, and has a child here, well by golly, that kid should stay! And let's encourage illegal immigrants to do this!!"

It defeats the purpose of gaining a legal citizenship, and only punishes those hard working immigrants who worked their ass off to get here legally.
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jpe_1337
09/06/17 1:03:26 PM
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Duncanwii posted...
jpe_1337 posted...
Duncanwii posted...
Yeah kids born here are citizens, but of course Republicans are trying to get rid of that even though it's in you know the constitution. But Conservatives only care about that when it is convenient to them.

I'd like to know where you got that info from.

Well for starters Trump said this just yesterday
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/09/04/trump-gop-should-keep-daca-but-scrap-birthright-citizenship.html

Trump really cares about the constitution doesn't he?

To say that the Republicans, as a generalization, want that, is a lie. I'm fairly sure that Trump is the exception, not the rule.
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Mernardi
09/06/17 1:03:58 PM
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Caution999 posted...
It's high time in this country that we close this loophole, and cut off illegal immigrants' children that were born here, and deport them alongside their parents.

Going forward, anyway. Starting with people born tomorrow.

Holy fuck
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butthole666
09/06/17 1:06:52 PM
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Caution999 posted...
It's high time in this country that we close this loophole, and cut off illegal immigrants' children that were born here, and deport them alongside their parents.

Going forward, anyway. Starting with people born tomorrow.

You're fucking worthless lmao.
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Caution999
09/06/17 1:07:01 PM
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Mernardi posted...
Caution999 posted...
It's high time in this country that we close this loophole, and cut off illegal immigrants' children that were born here, and deport them alongside their parents.

Going forward, anyway. Starting with people born tomorrow.

Holy fuck



GASP

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Caution999
09/06/17 1:07:44 PM
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Gotta walk on eggshells with every liberal on this board - because god forbid they misinterpret the meaning of something.
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glitteringfairy
09/06/17 1:07:46 PM
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Everybody that's already here should be grandfathered in and starting the following day we enforce with an iron fist that anyone coming here illegally or illegals and their children will be deported without hesitation. As much as it sickens me to give aliens citizenship I think it's the only right way to do this
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OpheliaAdenade
09/06/17 1:08:38 PM
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I thought... republicans didn't want to change a single letter of the constitution. :v The constitution clearly lays out how citizenship works.
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Caution999
09/06/17 1:09:47 PM
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glitteringfairy posted...
Everybody that's already here should be grandfathered in and starting the following day we enforce with an iron fist that anyone coming here illegally or illegals and their children will be deported without hesitation. As much as it sickens me to give aliens citizenship I think it's the only right way to do this



This is essentially what I'm saying, but adding to that, going forward(people who step in illegally after Sept 6 2017), introduce a bill where if it is proven that a person is an illegal alien, that their children would be taken out as well - with them.

For now, grandfather everyone else in.
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darkphoenix181
09/06/17 1:10:22 PM
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Caution999 posted...
It's a legal loophole.

It's time we fix the mistake. I really don't think the founding fathers thought "You know what? If an illegal immigrant comes in here, and has a child here, well by golly, that kid should stay! And let's encourage illegal immigrants to do this!!"

It defeats the purpose of gaining a legal citizenship, and only punishes those hard working immigrants who worked their ass off to get here legally.


at the time there was no such thing as illegal immigration to America

that didn't start till around world war 1
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Blue_Dream87
09/06/17 1:10:26 PM
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glitteringfairy posted...
Everybody that's already here should be grandfathered in and starting the following day we enforce with an iron fist that anyone coming here illegally or illegals and their children will be deported without hesitation. As much as it sickens me to give aliens citizenship I think it's the only right way to do this


Honestly, if we're gonna crack down on illegal immigration, this is the way to do it. No half measures. I'd still opt for lax rules, but I'd respect this sort of action over delays.
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Mernardi
09/06/17 1:10:34 PM
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So you would send 5 year olds to a country they've never been? Such jokes you guys are.
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jpe_1337
09/06/17 1:10:36 PM
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OpheliaAdenade posted...
I thought... republicans didn't want to change a single letter of the constitution. :v The constitution clearly lays out how citizenship works.

Please tell me which Republicans.

Trump is the only person AFAIK who's for this change.
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Caution999
09/06/17 1:11:08 PM
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darkphoenix181 posted...
Caution999 posted...
It's a legal loophole.

It's time we fix the mistake. I really don't think the founding fathers thought "You know what? If an illegal immigrant comes in here, and has a child here, well by golly, that kid should stay! And let's encourage illegal immigrants to do this!!"

It defeats the purpose of gaining a legal citizenship, and only punishes those hard working immigrants who worked their ass off to get here legally.


at the time there was no such thing as illegal immigration to America

that didn't start till around world war 1


Exactly. So, this whole notion or very idea was unheard of - and thus, this is something the government of today needs to remedy.
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OpheliaAdenade
09/06/17 1:11:31 PM
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jpe_1337 posted...
OpheliaAdenade posted...
I thought... republicans didn't want to change a single letter of the constitution. :v The constitution clearly lays out how citizenship works.

Please tell me which Republicans.

Trump is the only person AFAIK who's for this change.


*points at Caution* :u
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Caution999
09/06/17 1:11:33 PM
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Mernardi posted...
So you would send 5 year olds to a country they've never been? Such jokes you guys are.


With their parents. If they were orphaned, obviously not.
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OrtegaTron
09/06/17 1:12:02 PM
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I'm all for more tax payers. But there has to be a right way to do it- and efficiently/effectively. Congress needs to figure this out. Trump is merely forcing their hand.
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Mernardi
09/06/17 1:12:05 PM
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Caution999 posted...
Mernardi posted...
So you would send 5 year olds to a country they've never been? Such jokes you guys are.


With their parents. If they were orphaned, obviously not.

So there's already loopholes in your proposal.
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jpe_1337
09/06/17 1:12:34 PM
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OpheliaAdenade posted...
jpe_1337 posted...
OpheliaAdenade posted...
I thought... republicans didn't want to change a single letter of the constitution. :v The constitution clearly lays out how citizenship works.

Please tell me which Republicans.

Trump is the only person AFAIK who's for this change.


*points at Caution* :u

Does Caution possess any kind of Governmental power?
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OpheliaAdenade
09/06/17 1:13:45 PM
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jpe_1337 posted...
OpheliaAdenade posted...
jpe_1337 posted...
OpheliaAdenade posted...
I thought... republicans didn't want to change a single letter of the constitution. :v The constitution clearly lays out how citizenship works.

Please tell me which Republicans.

Trump is the only person AFAIK who's for this change.


*points at Caution* :u

Does Caution possess any kind of Governmental power?


He might? I don't know who he is in real life. :o
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Caution999
09/06/17 1:14:15 PM
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I'm actually Trump.

;)
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OpheliaAdenade
09/06/17 1:16:16 PM
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Caution999 posted...
I'm actually Trump.

;)


I'm Princess Diana.
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CADE FOSTER
09/06/17 1:17:55 PM
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So we should amend the constitution for this but we cant touch the 2nd amendment no thx deplorables
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Caution999
09/06/17 1:19:02 PM
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Explain to me how taking away firearms is gonna stop crime. Remember: We live in 2017 where you can order pretty much anything on the internet - or can look up how to build a bomb.

*eats popcorn*
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jpe_1337
09/06/17 1:19:48 PM
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CADE FOSTER posted...
So we should amend the constitution for this but we cant touch the 2nd amendment no thx deplorables

IMO, we should go back to the Articles of Confederation.
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OpheliaAdenade
09/06/17 1:30:57 PM
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Caution999 posted...
Explain to me how taking away firearms is gonna stop crime. Remember: We live in 2017 where you can order pretty much anything on the internet - or can look up how to build a bomb.

*eats popcorn*


well, there will be less kids accidently blowing their heads off because of guns lying around the house. But that's about it. I imagine violent crimes wouldn't be dampered all that much. It would discourage some of it just by making it harder to get firearms, but people would still go to great lengths to get them.

I just wish we could invent child proof guns or bullets somehow. :u
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Unsugarized_Foo
09/06/17 1:31:21 PM
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Hell yeah, State rights > Federal rights
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Bio1590
09/06/17 1:33:53 PM
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Like every GOP candidate in the last election was for modifying the 14th amendment. It's not just Trump.
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jpe_1337
09/06/17 1:37:35 PM
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Bio1590 posted...
Like every GOP candidate in the last election was for modifying the 14th amendment. It's not just Trump.

Like, can you show some proof?
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hockeybub89
09/06/17 1:40:56 PM
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I just don't understand how these dreamers are a priority issue in America, even if you disagree with how DACA came to be.
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Bio1590
09/06/17 1:41:30 PM
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jpe_1337 posted...
Bio1590 posted...
Like every GOP candidate in the last election was for modifying the 14th amendment. It's not just Trump.

Like, can you show some proof?

Are you too incompetent to Google?
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CADE FOSTER
09/06/17 1:42:35 PM
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jpe_1337
09/06/17 1:42:48 PM
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Bio1590 posted...
jpe_1337 posted...
Bio1590 posted...
Like every GOP candidate in the last election was for modifying the 14th amendment. It's not just Trump.

Like, can you show some proof?

Are you too incompetent to Google?

You're the one that made the claim, not me, you can provide the proof.

I'm not going to put the work and effort to find proof for something that you've claimed.
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Bio1590
09/06/17 1:43:49 PM
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jpe_1337 posted...
Bio1590 posted...
jpe_1337 posted...
Bio1590 posted...
Like every GOP candidate in the last election was for modifying the 14th amendment. It's not just Trump.

Like, can you show some proof?

Are you too incompetent to Google?

You're the one that made the claim, not me, you can provide the proof.

I'm not going to put the work and effort to find proof for something that you've claimed.

You could've just said "yes" instead of wasting everyone's time and typing that post.
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jpe_1337
09/06/17 1:45:11 PM
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Bio1590 posted...
jpe_1337 posted...
Bio1590 posted...
jpe_1337 posted...
Bio1590 posted...
Like every GOP candidate in the last election was for modifying the 14th amendment. It's not just Trump.

Like, can you show some proof?

Are you too incompetent to Google?

You're the one that made the claim, not me, you can provide the proof.

I'm not going to put the work and effort to find proof for something that you've claimed.

You could've just said "yes" instead of wasting everyone's time and typing that post.

I'm waiting. Is reading a few sentences too much work?
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littlebro07
09/06/17 1:51:21 PM
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Caution999 posted...
I'm actually Trump.

;)


You have way too much of a grasp on the English language.
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CableZL
09/06/17 1:51:48 PM
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jpe_1337 posted...
OpheliaAdenade posted...
I thought... republicans didn't want to change a single letter of the constitution. :v The constitution clearly lays out how citizenship works.

Please tell me which Republicans.

Trump is the only person AFAIK who's for this change.


Donald Trump, Rand Paul, Rick Santorum, Lindsey Graham, Chris Christie, Bobby Jindal, and Scott Walker have all stated they want birthright citizenship to end and/or be "re-examined."
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jpe_1337
09/06/17 1:53:27 PM
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CableZL posted...
jpe_1337 posted...
OpheliaAdenade posted...
I thought... republicans didn't want to change a single letter of the constitution. :v The constitution clearly lays out how citizenship works.

Please tell me which Republicans.

Trump is the only person AFAIK who's for this change.


Donald Trump, Rand Paul, Rick Santorum, Lindsey Graham, Chris Christie, Bobby Jindal, and Scott Walker have all stated they want birthright citizenship to end and/or be "re-examined."

Can you provide any proof?
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s0nicfan
09/06/17 1:55:51 PM
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This is why you shouldn't make law through executive order. Obama was happy bypassing congress and the constitution to cement his legacy and 6 years later a "temporary measure" is now proving exceedingly difficult to deal with because there are now citizen dependents on "deferred action" illegal immigrants.
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Lonestar2000
09/06/17 1:56:19 PM
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Granting citizenship to children of people who aren't American citizens is a terrible idea.
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