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smoliske 08/28/17 3:53:59 PM #1:	http://www.dailywire.com/news/20299/california-moves-jail-people-who-use-wrong-pronoun-emily-zanotti California legislators are set to vote this week on a bill that could criminalize using the wrong pronoun to refer to a transgender individual. The bill, which passed the California state senate in May, has moved into the California state assembly as part of a slew of gender-based "anti-discrimination" laws designed to protect California residents who don't believe they fall into the gender binary. Titled the "Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Long-Term Care Facility Residents Bill of Rights," the new law would allow transgender individuals living in care facilities like nursing homes to use bathrooms in line with their preferred gender (not necessarily their biological gender), and would punish any caregiver who "knowingly" uses the wrong gender pronoun to refer to one of their patients. Use "he" instead of "she" and you could face a $1,000 fine and up to a year in jail for gender-based discrimination and harassment. The law, which says "knowingly," does not seem to identify a specific standard, leaving interpretation of motive up to authorities. Unsurprisingly, free speech advocates and faith-based care facilities are upset about the development, partly because they would be compelled to act in a way that defies their religious dogma and partly because there's absolutely no way the state will limit the bill's protections just to care facilities. “How can you believe in free speech, but think the government can compel people to use certain pronouns when talking to others?” a representative of the California Family Council testified to the assembly late last week. The state senator who authored the bill, Scott Weiner, was particularly vocal when it came to exempting religious organizations from the law: he wasn't going to do it because, he claimed, religion has no place in public life. “Everyone is entitled to their religious view,” Weiner said. “But when you enter the public space, when you are running an institution, you are in a workplace, you are in a civil setting, and you have to follow the law.” Fortunately, in this case, the law — at least, the larger law and the Constitution — may be on California residents' side. According to law professor Eugene Volokh, the law itself seems too vague, and it's likely California wouldn't strictly interpret the law and limit their enforcement to nursing home caretakers only. Its "pretty unlikely that, if this law is enacted, such prohibitions would be limited just to this scenario," he told National Review. That would mean California could face litigation once they start enforcing the rule, and precedent isn't on California's side. <cite>smoliske posted [p:885605876] in California... [t:75717408]...</cite> <quote>http://www.dailywire.com/news/20299/california-moves-jail-people-who-use-wrong-pronoun-emily-zanotti <quote>California legislators are set to vote this week on a bill that could criminalize using the wrong pronoun to refer to a transgender individual. The bill, which passed the California state senate in May, has moved into the California state assembly as part of a slew of gender-based "anti-discrimination" laws designed to protect California residents who don't believe they fall into the gender binary. Titled the "Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Long-Term Care Facility Residents Bill of Rights," the new law would allow transgender individuals living in care facilities like nursing homes to use bathrooms in line with their preferred gender (not necessarily their biological gender), and would punish any caregiver who "knowingly" uses the wrong gender pronoun to refer to one of their patients. Use "he" instead of "she" and you could face a $1,000 fine and up to a year in jail for gender-based discrimination and harassment. The law, which says "knowingly," does not seem to identify a specific standard, leaving interpretation of motive up to authorities. Unsurprisingly, free speech advocates and faith-based care facilities are upset about the development, partly because they would be compelled to act in a way that defies their religious dogma and partly because there's absolutely no way the state will limit the bill's protections just to care facilities. “How can you believe in free speech, but think the government can compel people to use certain pronouns when talking to others?” a representative of the California Family Council testified to the assembly late last week. The state senator who authored the bill, Scott Weiner, was particularly vocal when it came to exempting religious organizations from the law: he wasn't going to do it because, he claimed, religion has no place in public life. “Everyone is entitled to their religious view,” Weiner said. “But when you enter the public space, when you are running an institution, you are in a workplace, you are in a civil setting, and you have to follow the law.” Fortunately, in this case, the law — at least, the larger law and the Constitution — may be on California residents' side. According to law professor Eugene Volokh, the law itself seems too vague, and it's likely California wouldn't strictly interpret the law and limit their enforcement to nursing home caretakers only. Its "pretty unlikely that, if this law is enacted, such prohibitions would be limited just to this scenario," he told National Review. That would mean California could face litigation once they start enforcing the rule, and precedent isn't on California's side.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RE_expert44 08/28/17 3:55:05 PM #2:	What a bunch of wackos --- RESIDENT EVIL COMMUNITY BOARD http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/1074-resident-evil-past-present-and-future <cite>RE_expert44 posted [p:885605931] in California... [t:75717408]...</cite> <quote>What a bunch of wackos</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mist_Turnips 08/28/17 3:55:08 PM #3:	Weiner California It all checks out. --- "They say if you don't hide your belly button, lightning could take it away from you! What would happen if it did?" http://i.imgur.com/G74y2NJ.png <cite>Mist_Turnips posted [p:885605934] in California... [t:75717408]...</cite> <quote>Weiner California It all checks out.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tryhaptaward 08/28/17 3:55:14 PM #4:	What the fuck <cite>Tryhaptaward posted [p:885605942] in California... [t:75717408]...</cite> <quote>What the fuck</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 08/28/17 3:55:23 PM #5:	smoliske posted... http://www.dailywire.com/ --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:885605945] in California... [t:75717408]...</cite> <quote><cite>smoliske posted...</cite> <quote>http://www.dailywire.com/</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pikachupwnage 08/28/17 3:55:57 PM #6:	lol California --- I'm Mary Poppins y'all. http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/665/328/d75.gif <cite>pikachupwnage posted [p:885605970] in California... [t:75717408]...</cite> <quote>lol California</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 08/28/17 3:58:51 PM #7:	@eston posted... Oh no, a child was sent to the office Clearly this is the end of days The answer to why you don't dismiss instances like the one that spurred this comment is that it leads to idiocy like this. --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:885606167] in California... [t:75717408]...</cite> <quote><cite>@eston posted...</cite> <quote>Oh no, a child was sent to the office Clearly this is the end of days</quote> The answer to why you don't dismiss instances like the one that spurred this comment is that it leads to idiocy like this.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
glitteringfairy 08/28/17 3:59:38 PM #8:	Lmaofornia --- "How come you can believe in God but not Bigfoot?" V-E-G-Y http://i.imgur.com/AqR3aeX.jpg http://i.imgur.com/vvuUXpp.jpg <cite>glitteringfairy posted [p:885606201] in California... [t:75717408]...</cite> <quote>Lmaofornia</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
smoliske 08/28/17 4:00:11 PM #9:	averagejoel posted... smoliske posted... http://www.dailywire.com/ feel free to check out the legal text of the bill, the source is irrelevant when the story is still true, regardless of whether it has a liberal or conservative spin to it <cite>smoliske posted [p:885606228] in California... [t:75717408]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>smoliske posted...</cite> <quote>http://www.dailywire.com/</quote></quote> feel free to check out the legal text of the bill, the source is irrelevant when the story is still true, regardless of whether it has a liberal or conservative spin to it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 08/28/17 4:01:56 PM #10:	smoliske posted... averagejoel posted... smoliske posted... http://www.dailywire.com/ feel free to check out the legal text of the bill, the source is irrelevant when the story is still true, regardless of whether it has a liberal or conservative spin to it then why not link directly to the bill instead of to a website that's like half a step more reliable than InfoWars --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:885606331] in California... [t:75717408]...</cite> <quote><cite>smoliske posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>smoliske posted...</cite> <quote>http://www.dailywire.com/</quote></quote> feel free to check out the legal text of the bill, the source is irrelevant when the story is still true, regardless of whether it has a liberal or conservative spin to it</quote> then why not link directly to the bill instead of to a website that's like half a step more reliable than InfoWars</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 08/28/17 4:02:50 PM #11:	The left continues its march towards full authoritarianism. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:885606383] in California... [t:75717408]...</cite> <quote>The left continues its march towards full authoritarianism.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
smoliske 08/28/17 4:03:27 PM #12:	averagejoel posted... smoliske posted... averagejoel posted... smoliske posted... http://www.dailywire.com/ feel free to check out the legal text of the bill, the source is irrelevant when the story is still true, regardless of whether it has a liberal or conservative spin to it then why not link directly to the bill instead of to a website that's like half a step more reliable than InfoWars because I'd rather post a news story <cite>smoliske posted [p:885606414] in California... [t:75717408]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>smoliske posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>smoliske posted...</cite> <quote>http://www.dailywire.com/</quote></quote> feel free to check out the legal text of the bill, the source is irrelevant when the story is still true, regardless of whether it has a liberal or conservative spin to it</quote> then why not link directly to the bill instead of to a website that's like half a step more reliable than InfoWars</quote> because I'd rather post a news story</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tropicalwood 08/28/17 4:03:49 PM #13:	Nothing out of the ordinary here, just Commiefornia violating the constitution as usual. --- ayy lmao ayy lmao \|\| oaml oaml yya yya ayy lmao ayy lmao \|\| oaml oaml yya yya <cite>Tropicalwood posted [p:885606436] in California... [t:75717408]...</cite> <quote>Nothing out of the ordinary here, just Commiefornia violating the constitution as usual.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 08/28/17 4:04:44 PM #14:	smoliske posted... averagejoel posted... smoliske posted... averagejoel posted... smoliske posted... http://www.dailywire.com/ feel free to check out the legal text of the bill, the source is irrelevant when the story is still true, regardless of whether it has a liberal or conservative spin to it then why not link directly to the bill instead of to a website that's like half a step more reliable than InfoWars because I'd rather post a news story then why not link to an actual news site --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:885606499] in California... [t:75717408]...</cite> <quote><cite>smoliske posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>smoliske posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>smoliske posted...</cite> <quote>http://www.dailywire.com/</quote></quote> feel free to check out the legal text of the bill, the source is irrelevant when the story is still true, regardless of whether it has a liberal or conservative spin to it</quote> then why not link directly to the bill instead of to a website that's like half a step more reliable than InfoWars</quote> because I'd rather post a news story</quote> then why not link to an actual news site</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 08/28/17 4:06:03 PM #15:	averagejoel going the distance trying to talk about anything but this article. --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:885606564] in California... [t:75717408]...</cite> <quote>averagejoel going the distance trying to talk about anything but this article.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mist_Turnips 08/28/17 4:06:56 PM #16:	Dem desperate derailment attempts. --- "They say if you don't hide your belly button, lightning could take it away from you! What would happen if it did?" http://i.imgur.com/G74y2NJ.png <cite>Mist_Turnips posted [p:885606610] in California... [t:75717408]...</cite> <quote>Dem desperate derailment attempts.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
smoliske 08/28/17 4:07:24 PM #17:	The Admiral posted... averagejoel going the distance trying to talk about anything but this article. does he believe not talking about it or discrediting the source makes it less legitimate ? <cite>smoliske posted [p:885606635] in California... [t:75717408]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>averagejoel going the distance trying to talk about anything but this article.</quote> does he believe not talking about it or discrediting the source makes it less legitimate ?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SageHarpuia 08/28/17 4:08:41 PM #18:	s0nicfan posted... The left continues its march towards full authoritarianism. --- My name is Harpuia, one of the four Guardians of Master X and General of the Strong Air Battalion, The Rekku Army. <cite>SageHarpuia posted [p:885606716] in California... [t:75717408]...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>The left continues its march towards full authoritarianism.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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frozenshock 08/28/17 4:09:28 PM #20:	Why are liberals doing everything in their power to make sure Trump stays in power? --- I don't hate people, people hate me. <cite>frozenshock posted [p:885606755] in California... [t:75717408]...</cite> <quote>Why are liberals doing everything in their power to make sure Trump stays in power?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 08/28/17 4:09:38 PM #21:	smoliske posted... The Admiral posted... averagejoel going the distance trying to talk about anything but this article. does he believe not talking about it or discrediting the source makes it less legitimate ? it doesn't make it less legitimate - it's illegitimate whether or not I discredit it --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:885606768] in California... [t:75717408]...</cite> <quote><cite>smoliske posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>averagejoel going the distance trying to talk about anything but this article.</quote> does he believe not talking about it or discrediting the source makes it less legitimate ?</quote> it doesn't make it less legitimate - it's illegitimate whether or not I discredit it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 08/28/17 4:10:56 PM #22:	averagejoel posted... smoliske posted... The Admiral posted... averagejoel going the distance trying to talk about anything but this article. does he believe not talking about it or discrediting the source makes it less legitimate ? it doesn't make it less legitimate - it's illegitimate whether or not I discredit it "It's illegitimate because it makes my side look terrible." --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:885606839] in California... [t:75717408]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>smoliske posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>averagejoel going the distance trying to talk about anything but this article.</quote> does he believe not talking about it or discrediting the source makes it less legitimate ?</quote> it doesn't make it less legitimate - it's illegitimate whether or not I discredit it</quote> "It's illegitimate because it makes my side look terrible."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mustachedmystic 08/28/17 4:11:40 PM #23:	Republican legislatures introduce stupid bills all the time. This isn't any different. --- Guns; freedom you can hold in your hand. Sampson, Terrordactyl <cite>mustachedmystic posted [p:885606885] in California... [t:75717408]...</cite> <quote>Republican legislatures introduce stupid bills all the time. This isn't any different.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 08/28/17 4:13:13 PM #24:	averagejoel posted... smoliske posted... The Admiral posted... averagejoel going the distance trying to talk about anything but this article. does he believe not talking about it or discrediting the source makes it less legitimate ? it doesn't make it less legitimate - it's illegitimate whether or not I discredit it Literally ad hominem fallacy. Tye bill does exactly what it is reported as doing. We know this because it's the same law as the one that just passed in Canada, and it made using the wrong pronouns illegal. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:885606960] in California... [t:75717408]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>smoliske posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>averagejoel going the distance trying to talk about anything but this article.</quote> does he believe not talking about it or discrediting the source makes it less legitimate ?</quote> it doesn't make it less legitimate - it's illegitimate whether or not I discredit it</quote> Literally ad hominem fallacy. Tye bill does exactly what it is reported as doing. We know this because it's the same law as the one that just passed in Canada, and it made using the wrong pronouns illegal.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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gamepimp12 08/28/17 4:20:15 PM #26:	While I could see the whole intentionally mislabeling a trans person as hate speech (don't know if I agree yet) I don't think such a scoped in law does anyone any good --- we rich now but used to be slaves,we pushing whips now we used to be whipped,rockin chains when we used to be in 'em <cite>gamepimp12 posted [p:885607357] in California... [t:75717408]...</cite> <quote>While I could see the whole intentionally mislabeling a trans person as hate speech (don't know if I agree yet) I don't think such a scoped in law does anyone any good</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 08/28/17 4:20:23 PM #27:	mustachedmystic posted... Republican legislatures introduce stupid bills all the time. This isn't any different. I never get this kind of argument. "Yeah, my side is stupid, but your side is stupid too!!" How is that any sort of reason for why this bill shouldn't be criticized? --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:885607367] in California... [t:75717408]...</cite> <quote><cite>mustachedmystic posted...</cite> <quote>Republican legislatures introduce stupid bills all the time. This isn't any different.</quote> I never get this kind of argument. "Yeah, my side is stupid, but your side is stupid too!!" How is that any sort of reason for why this bill shouldn't be criticized?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 08/28/17 4:22:11 PM #28:	omg wtf <cite>Zikten posted [p:885607454] in California... [t:75717408]...</cite> <quote>omg wtf</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Webmaster4531 08/28/17 4:22:11 PM #29:	fenderbender321 posted... mustachedmystic posted... Republican legislatures introduce stupid bills all the time. This isn't any different. This is why everyone needs to start being more libertarian. Its seems like everyone's argument these days is "well, the Republicans/Democrats did something even more stupid, so at least we're the lesser of 2 evils" Libertarians have their own can of worms just as bad. --- Ad Hominem. <cite>Webmaster4531 posted [p:885607455] in California... [t:75717408]...</cite> <quote><cite>fenderbender321 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>mustachedmystic posted...</cite> <quote>Republican legislatures introduce stupid bills all the time. This isn't any different.</quote> This is why everyone needs to start being more libertarian. Its seems like everyone's argument these days is "well, the Republicans/Democrats did something even more stupid, so at least we're the lesser of 2 evils"</quote> Libertarians have their own can of worms just as bad.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 08/28/17 4:24:10 PM #30:	there seem to be exactly 0 sources other than dailywire, breitbart, and their ilk, who reported on this bill, and there's nothing about it on the Long Term Care portion of California's Healthcare website, leading me to believe that it is false. this is the closest thing that I found from an actual source: http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2017/07/06/california-bill-would-require-workplace-transgender-training/ --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:885607558] in California... [t:75717408]...</cite> <quote>there seem to be exactly 0 sources other than dailywire, breitbart, and their ilk, who reported on this bill, and there's nothing about it on the Long Term Care portion of California's Healthcare website, leading me to believe that it is false. this is the closest thing that I found from an actual source: http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2017/07/06/california-bill-would-require-workplace-transgender-training/</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sami1000 08/28/17 4:33:15 PM #31:	Use "he" instead of "she" and you could face a $1,000 fine and up to a year in jail for gender-based discrimination and harassment https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNIeQDP37Nc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unYrMt9qW2I --- What's cooler than werewolf? Wereman! <cite>Sami1000 posted [p:885608085] in California... [t:75717408]...</cite> <quote><quote>Use "he" instead of "she" and you could face a $1,000 fine and up to a year in jail for gender-based discrimination and harassment</quote> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNIeQDP37Nc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unYrMt9qW2I</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mustachedmystic 08/28/17 4:50:03 PM #32:	I'm well aware that most politicians on both sides are are corrupt hypocritical assholes. When people post articles such as this and are like "lol libtards", or "lol California", as if the pols on "their side" or the state they live in are any better, they just come off sounding ignorant. --- Guns; freedom you can hold in your hand. Sampson, Terrordactyl <cite>mustachedmystic posted [p:885609081] in California... [t:75717408]...</cite> <quote>I'm well aware that most politicians on both sides are are corrupt hypocritical assholes. When people post articles such as this and are like "lol libtards", or "lol California", as if the pols on "their side" or the state they live in are any better, they just come off sounding ignorant.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheVipaGTS 08/28/17 4:52:02 PM #33:	I just don't see why this has to be an issue. That person is transgender. Now wants to be called "she"...why do so many people have to be insufferable and say things like "his mama named him Jeff ima call him Jeff! HE! Is Jeff!" What is killing you so much about just saying "she" for example. If there wasn't such push back on something so mundane and inconsequential this wouldn't be as big of an issue at all. <cite>TheVipaGTS posted [p:885609217] in California... [t:75717408]...</cite> <quote>I just don't see why this has to be an issue. That person is transgender. Now wants to be called "she"...why do so many people have to be insufferable and say things like "his mama named him Jeff ima call him Jeff! HE! Is Jeff!" What is killing you so much about just saying "she" for example. If there wasn't such push back on something so mundane and inconsequential this wouldn't be as big of an issue at all.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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NeonOctopus 08/28/17 4:57:16 PM #35:	Tryhaptaward posted... What the fuck --- http://i.imgur.com/nlaY1qH.jpg http://i.imgur.com/zHJ1OCo.gif http://i.imgur.com/btBPP4E.jpg http://i.imgur.com/1B3bMHw.gif <cite>NeonOctopus posted [p:885609514] in California... [t:75717408]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tryhaptaward posted...</cite> <quote>What the fuck</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FighterStreet 08/28/17 4:57:46 PM #36:	stop writing lolcalifornia i guarantee you 95+% of liberal californians wouldnt support this including myself it's just basic free speech <cite>FighterStreet posted [p:885609543] in California... [t:75717408]...</cite> <quote>stop writing lolcalifornia i guarantee you 95+% of liberal californians wouldnt support this including myself it's just basic free speech</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
eston 08/28/17 4:59:33 PM #37:	Titled the "Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Long-Term Care Facility Residents Bill of Rights," the new law would allow transgender individuals living in care facilities like nursing homes to use bathrooms in line with their preferred gender (not necessarily their biological gender), and would punish any caregiver who "knowingly" uses the wrong gender pronoun to refer to one of their patients. Sounds reasonable to me. It's not like they're talking about fining random people on the street who may or may not know someone is transgender. A caregiver should definitely know better, and the nature of their interactions with patients puts them in a unique position to emotionally abuse people. --- http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i215/estonc/grizzly_bear_chairs_2.jpg http://i.imgur.com/8kjZU.jpg <cite>eston posted [p:885609649] in California... [t:75717408]...</cite> <quote><quote>Titled the "Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Long-Term Care Facility Residents Bill of Rights," the new law would allow transgender individuals living in care facilities like nursing homes to use bathrooms in line with their preferred gender (not necessarily their biological gender), and would punish any caregiver who "knowingly" uses the wrong gender pronoun to refer to one of their patients.</quote> Sounds reasonable to me. It's not like they're talking about fining random people on the street who may or may not know someone is transgender. A caregiver should definitely know better, and the nature of their interactions with patients puts them in a unique position to emotionally abuse people.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nightmare_Luna 08/28/17 5:02:36 PM #38:	lol california --- "That's not a character, that's a set of bondage gear that can cast Ice 2." <cite>Nightmare_Luna posted [p:885609822] in California... [t:75717408]...</cite> <quote>lol california</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Webmaster4531 08/28/17 5:02:42 PM #39:	fenderbender321 posted... The only complaint you can have against is libertarians is that they don't employ the government to "fix" or "solve" issues. I mostly dislike them for being laissez faire ancaps but yes them legalizing discrimination like denying people service is also one. --- Ad Hominem. <cite>Webmaster4531 posted [p:885609828] in California... [t:75717408]...</cite> <quote><cite>fenderbender321 posted...</cite> <quote>The only complaint you can have against is libertarians is that they don't employ the government to "fix" or "solve" issues. </quote> I mostly dislike them for being laissez faire ancaps but yes them legalizing discrimination like denying people service is also one.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sylph 08/28/17 5:03:18 PM #40:	Punching someone is so unimaginative. There are so many more effective ways to retaliate. --- ZSB: We look so much better in a dress than you. I wouldn't mind being alone if I could stand my own company. <cite>Sylph posted [p:885609857] in California... [t:75717408]...</cite> <quote>Punching someone is so unimaginative. There are so many more effective ways to retaliate.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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eston 08/28/17 5:06:55 PM #42:	The Admiral posted... @eston posted... Oh no, a child was sent to the office Clearly this is the end of days The answer to why you don't dismiss instances like the one that spurred this comment is that it leads to idiocy like this. Idiocy such as...not allowing caretakers to intentionally mistreat their patients who in many cases don't have the ability to stand up for themselves? Yeah man what a terrible law --- http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i215/estonc/grizzly_bear_chairs_2.jpg http://i.imgur.com/8kjZU.jpg <cite>eston posted [p:885610032] in California... [t:75717408]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>@eston posted...</cite> <quote>Oh no, a child was sent to the office Clearly this is the end of days</quote> The answer to why you don't dismiss instances like the one that spurred this comment is that it leads to idiocy like this.</quote> Idiocy such as...not allowing caretakers to intentionally mistreat their patients who in many cases don't have the ability to stand up for themselves? Yeah man what a terrible law</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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--kresnik-- 08/28/17 5:10:42 PM #44:	We need a special jail for snowflakes like this judge. --- "I don't get mad. I am better than you. All members of antifa are better humans than you." - YourAlt <cite>--kresnik-- posted [p:885610235] in California... [t:75717408]...</cite> <quote>We need a special jail for snowflakes like this judge.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Webmaster4531 08/28/17 5:24:48 PM #45:	fenderbender321 posted... Webmaster4531 posted... fenderbender321 posted... The only complaint you can have against is libertarians is that they don't employ the government to "fix" or "solve" issues. I mostly dislike them for being laissez faire ancaps but yes them legalizing discrimination like denying people service is also one. Again, if you think discrimination is a problem, libertarians are doing nothing to take power away from you as an individual to try and fix it. If anything, they are giving you more power due to their stance on taxes and individual freedoms. This is the libertarian bullshit I'm talking about. I want to see your stupid explanation what taxes and specifically my freedoms have to do with this. --- Ad Hominem. <cite>Webmaster4531 posted [p:885610955] in California... [t:75717408]...</cite> <quote><cite>fenderbender321 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>fenderbender321 posted...</cite> <quote>The only complaint you can have against is libertarians is that they don't employ the government to "fix" or "solve" issues. </quote> I mostly dislike them for being laissez faire ancaps but yes them legalizing discrimination like denying people service is also one.</quote> Again, if you think discrimination is a problem, libertarians are doing nothing to take power away from you as an individual to try and fix it. If anything, they are giving you more power due to their stance on taxes and individual freedoms.</quote> This is the libertarian bullshit I'm talking about. I want to see your stupid explanation what taxes and specifically my freedoms have to do with this.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WaterLink 08/28/17 5:34:56 PM #46:	http://www.feelnumb.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Arizona_Bay.gif --- No one sings like you anymore <cite>WaterLink posted [p:885611526] in California... [t:75717408]...</cite> <quote>http://www.feelnumb.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Arizona_Bay.gif</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkChozoGhost 08/28/17 6:00:05 PM #47:	Are employees at healthcare facilities allowed to call African American residents the n word on a regular basis? If not, then this legislature is fair. --- My sister's dog bit a hole in my Super Mario Land cartridge. It still works though - Skye Reynolds 3DS FC: 3239-5612-0115 <cite>DarkChozoGhost posted [p:885612940] in California... [t:75717408]...</cite> <quote>Are employees at healthcare facilities allowed to call African American residents the n word on a regular basis? If not, then this legislature is fair.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SageHarpuia 08/28/17 6:02:14 PM #48:	DarkChozoGhost posted... Are employees at healthcare facilities allowed to call African American residents the n word on a regular basis? If not, then this legislature is fair. False equivalency. --- My name is Harpuia, one of the four Guardians of Master X and General of the Strong Air Battalion, The Rekku Army. <cite>SageHarpuia posted [p:885613056] in California... [t:75717408]...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkChozoGhost posted...</cite> <quote>Are employees at healthcare facilities allowed to call African American residents the n word on a regular basis? If not, then this legislature is fair.</quote> False equivalency.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Webmaster4531 08/28/17 6:03:41 PM #49:	SageHarpuia posted... DarkChozoGhost posted... Are employees at healthcare facilities allowed to call African American residents the n word on a regular basis? If not, then this legislature is fair. False equivalency. It's not. --- Ad Hominem. <cite>Webmaster4531 posted [p:885613138] in California... [t:75717408]...</cite> <quote><cite>SageHarpuia posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkChozoGhost posted...</cite> <quote>Are employees at healthcare facilities allowed to call African American residents the n word on a regular basis? If not, then this legislature is fair.</quote> False equivalency.</quote> It's not.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SageHarpuia 08/28/17 6:04:45 PM #50:	Webmaster4531 posted... SageHarpuia posted... DarkChozoGhost posted... Are employees at healthcare facilities allowed to call African American residents the n word on a regular basis? If not, then this legislature is fair. False equivalency. It's not. Tell me, do you promote transracialism? --- My name is Harpuia, one of the four Guardians of Master X and General of the Strong Air Battalion, The Rekku Army. <cite>SageHarpuia posted [p:885613188] in California... [t:75717408]...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SageHarpuia posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkChozoGhost posted...</cite> <quote>Are employees at healthcare facilities allowed to call African American residents the n word on a regular basis? If not, then this legislature is fair.</quote> False equivalency.</quote> It's not.</quote> Tell me, do you promote transracialism?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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