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gamepimp12
08/24/17 10:30:50 AM
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Either now or did they deserve them at different points(which points) in the past.

Also should they get them

Personally I think it's unrealistic at this point in time, but it would of been the most effective way to counter the concept of white privilege.
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08/24/17 10:33:37 AM
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No.
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lilORANG
08/24/17 10:34:12 AM
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Sure
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tennisdude818
08/24/17 10:37:43 AM
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They don't. But if writing a check today would mean no more affirmative action, identity politics, or race card BS, who do I make the check out to?
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TwoScoops
08/24/17 10:40:23 AM
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Yeah, but from actual people who have benefited from their ancestors owning slaves.

People like CNN's Anderson Cooper.
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gamepimp12
08/24/17 10:40:40 AM
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tennisdude818 posted...
They don't. But if writing a check today would mean no more affirmative action, identity politics, or race card BS, who do I make the check out to?


it wouldn't remove any of those maybe diminish some, but either way it would take a few generations for the effects to really show up.
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BigSLM1993
08/24/17 10:43:02 AM
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For freed slaves or the children of slaves, yes. I'd actually be sympathetic for those living under segregation to make their case, but idk .

It was nearly impossible to be a success and Black during slavery and immensely difficult during segregation. Especially when a crown jewel like Black Wallstreet can be destroyed in a race riot (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_riot).

But for current times, no. I don't think I deserve to profit off of the suffering my ancestors had. Especially when we have unprescedented opportunities to make something of ourselves.
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creativerealms
08/24/17 10:44:02 AM
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Current black people don't.
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gunplagirl
08/24/17 10:44:36 AM
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Yes, and America should be returned to native Americans but neither will ever happen because the US would have to acknowledge any wrongdoing.
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Were_Wyrm
08/24/17 10:45:42 AM
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Yep, from all white people. Those countries in Europe need kick in their share too.
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muchdran
08/24/17 10:47:46 AM
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Were_Wyrm posted...
Yep, from all white people. Those countries in Europe need kick in their share too.

And Africa
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tennisdude818
08/24/17 10:48:12 AM
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gamepimp12 posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
They don't. But if writing a check today would mean no more affirmative action, identity politics, or race card BS, who do I make the check out to?


it wouldn't remove any of those maybe diminish some, but either way it would take a few generations for the effects to really show up.


If it's like AA, reparations would be a "temporary meansure" that never goes away. I remember seeing a video of Sowell in a debate about AA in like 1980. He was saying that it still wasn't working, and asked how many more years of failure we need to see before we move on. The liberal professor he was debating said we need to give AA more time. About 4 decades later...
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Foppe
08/24/17 10:51:45 AM
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Since we talk about slaves, what about other slaves?
We got tons of native american slaves.
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BigSLM1993
08/24/17 10:55:25 AM
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Foppe posted...
Since we talk about slaves, what about other slaves?
We got tons of native american slaves.


There were also Native American slave owners.
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UnholyMudcrab
08/24/17 10:56:31 AM
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ZombiePelican
08/24/17 10:57:06 AM
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No, my family came long after slavery ended why should we have to pay when we had no hand in it at all

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TheMikh
08/24/17 11:00:21 AM
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I'd be cool with black people receiving reparations in the form of federal land grants. It's sorta in line with Sherman's "40 acres" order.

Plus there have historically been cultural/societal benefits to landownership and rural living and forming mutually beneficial communities around such.
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Milkman5
08/24/17 11:01:13 AM
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Liberals should give them their homes and their money tbh
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s0nicfan
08/24/17 11:02:50 AM
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tennisdude818 posted...
They don't. But if writing a check today would mean no more affirmative action, identity politics, or race card BS, who do I make the check out to?


This. I'd love to know what that dollar amount is to make everything squar, but I'm willing to bet the demand would change to something like "perpetual reparations, until <impossible condition here>"
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glitteringfairy
08/24/17 11:03:25 AM
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Milkman5 posted...
Liberals should give them their homes and their money tbh

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FightingGames
08/24/17 11:05:38 AM
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yes. we built the very foundation of america and shit
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John_Galt
08/24/17 11:08:31 AM
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glitteringfairy posted...
Milkman5 posted...
Liberals should give them their homes and their money tbh

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DirkDiggles
08/24/17 11:10:48 AM
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I'm part Irish, where's my reparations?
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Roxborough4Ever
08/24/17 11:14:05 AM
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never
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PotHeadDog
08/24/17 11:15:34 AM
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No. How do you even determine who has to pay? Didn't like 1/3rd of white Americans come AFTER slavery ended? Do they have to pay too? What about white people who are mostly but not fully white? There's also the fact that no one alive today had anything to do with slavery so reparations will never happen. Black people who weren't actually slaves don't deserve a dime. If any former slaves were still living i'd have no issue giving them reparations.
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FrisbeeDude
08/24/17 11:15:40 AM
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tennisdude818 posted...
They don't. But if writing a check today would mean no more affirmative action, identity politics, or race card BS, who do I make the check out to?


Lmao damn u mad
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gamepimp12
08/24/17 11:31:43 AM
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tennisdude818 posted...
gamepimp12 posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
They don't. But if writing a check today would mean no more affirmative action, identity politics, or race card BS, who do I make the check out to?


it wouldn't remove any of those maybe diminish some, but either way it would take a few generations for the effects to really show up.


If it's like AA, reparations would be a "temporary meansure" that never goes away. I remember seeing a video of Sowell in a debate about AA in like 1980. He was saying that it still wasn't working, and asked how many more years of failure we need to see before we move on. The liberal professor he was debating said we need to give AA more time. About 4 decades later...



I don't see AA action as a temporary measure, I don't even see it as something that was supposed to force equality, just prevent obvious cases of unequality.

Ideally reparations would act as a huge investment into black generational wealth, so the effects wouldn't show up for like 50 years
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s0nicfan
08/24/17 11:34:04 AM
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gamepimp12 posted...

Ideally reparations would act as a huge investment into black generational wealth, so the effects wouldn't show up for like 50 years


IMO if we're trying to help a generation of black people we should forgive all petty drug crimes and let those people out of prison to reduce the single motherhood rate in the black community from around 70% to something a bit more reasonable.
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darkjedilink
08/24/17 11:34:28 AM
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No and no.
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darkjedilink
08/24/17 11:37:15 AM
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FightingGames posted...
yes. we built the very foundation of america and shit

Not even close to the truth. Irish building railroads have a far better claim to that than slaves, and THEY don't get to make it.
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gamepimp12
08/24/17 11:38:10 AM
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s0nicfan posted...
gamepimp12 posted...

Ideally reparations would act as a huge investment into black generational wealth, so the effects wouldn't show up for like 50 years


IMO if we're trying to help a generation of black people we should forgive all petty drug crimes and let those people out of prison to reduce the single motherhood rate in the black community from around 70% to something a bit more reasonable.


I agree that's the most realistic actions.

But you realize how much shit Obama got for doing that on a smaller scale
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tennisdude818
08/24/17 11:38:57 AM
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gamepimp12 posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
gamepimp12 posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
They don't. But if writing a check today would mean no more affirmative action, identity politics, or race card BS, who do I make the check out to?


it wouldn't remove any of those maybe diminish some, but either way it would take a few generations for the effects to really show up.


If it's like AA, reparations would be a "temporary meansure" that never goes away. I remember seeing a video of Sowell in a debate about AA in like 1980. He was saying that it still wasn't working, and asked how many more years of failure we need to see before we move on. The liberal professor he was debating said we need to give AA more time. About 4 decades later...



I don't see AA action as a temporary measure, I don't even see it as something that was supposed to force equality, just prevent obvious cases of unequality.

Ideally reparations would act as a huge investment into black generational wealth, so the effects wouldn't show up for like 50 years


The welfare state as envisioned by LBJ is more than 50 years old and we saw how that worked. American blacks went from having stable nuclear families to off the charts single mother households.
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Darklit_Minuet
08/24/17 11:40:25 AM
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s0nicfan posted...
gamepimp12 posted...

Ideally reparations would act as a huge investment into black generational wealth, so the effects wouldn't show up for like 50 years


IMO if we're trying to help a generation of black people we should forgive all petty drug crimes and let those people out of prison to reduce the single motherhood rate in the black community from around 70% to something a bit more reasonable.

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emblem boy
08/24/17 11:41:24 AM
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I don't necessarily think so, but I do hope people realize that the question of reperations wouldn't solely be for slavery, but also for the shit that was allowed by the country and govt in the decades after slavery ended.
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Ilove4chan
08/24/17 11:46:12 AM
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Yes. If you say no you're a literal racist and also an ignorant idiot
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tennisdude818
08/24/17 11:49:53 AM
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Ilove4chan posted...
Yes. If you say no you're a literal racist and also an ignorant idiot


You make a compelling case.
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Foppe
08/24/17 3:22:17 PM
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darkjedilink posted...
FightingGames posted...
yes. we built the very foundation of america and shit

Not even close to the truth. Irish building railroads have a far better claim to that than slaves, and THEY don't get to make it.


Dont forget the Chinese railroad builders as well.
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cjsdowg
08/24/17 3:24:55 PM
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The Japanese got them. some Native Americans got them.
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CADE FOSTER
08/24/17 3:26:44 PM
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Yes they did back then werent they promised 40 acres and a mule we never gave it to them
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darkphoenix181
08/24/17 3:29:08 PM
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deserve? no

grace isn't about what you deserve though

it is about compassion

but there are other avenues of grace the been working like affirmative action
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CADE FOSTER
08/24/17 3:32:47 PM
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break them a check for 100,000 if they can prove they had slave ancestors should cover the acres and mule
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GreatEvilEmpire
08/24/17 3:38:15 PM
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No. I can’t believe some people are still fixated on this BS.

This is victimization of the mind at its finest.
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CADE FOSTER
08/24/17 3:55:24 PM
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08/24/17 4:00:59 PM
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HaVeNII7
08/24/17 4:01:09 PM
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No. I didn't have anything to do with it, and honestly don't care if my family did or not.

I'm not going to give up my own hard earned money because of something that happened before either of us were born. That's asinine.
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gamepimp12
08/24/17 4:01:44 PM
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GreatEvilEmpire posted...
No. I can’t believe some people are still fixated on this BS.

This is victimization of the mind at its finest.


How is that victimization ?
tennisdude818 posted...
gamepimp12 posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
gamepimp12 posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
They don't. But if writing a check today would mean no more affirmative action, identity politics, or race card BS, who do I make the check out to?


it wouldn't remove any of those maybe diminish some, but either way it would take a few generations for the effects to really show up.


If it's like AA, reparations would be a "temporary meansure" that never goes away. I remember seeing a video of Sowell in a debate about AA in like 1980. He was saying that it still wasn't working, and asked how many more years of failure we need to see before we move on. The liberal professor he was debating said we need to give AA more time. About 4 decades later...



I don't see AA action as a temporary measure, I don't even see it as something that was supposed to force equality, just prevent obvious cases of unequality.

Ideally reparations would act as a huge investment into black generational wealth, so the effects wouldn't show up for like 50 years


The welfare state as envisioned by LBJ is more than 50 years old and we saw how that worked. American blacks went from having stable nuclear families to off the charts single mother households.



That has more to do with the war on drugs than anything else
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CADE FOSTER
08/24/17 4:01:58 PM
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darkphoenix181
08/24/17 4:02:06 PM
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CADE FOSTER posted...
We gave native americans land,casinos,and money why not slave ancestors?


actually they didn't give them land since the native people owned that land already
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RickyTheBAWSE
08/24/17 4:03:51 PM
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many Black people have Irish in them.
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