Poll of the Day > I watched The Killing Joke (spoilers)

(+) Yeah! (+)

What an awful movie.

First off.. Batman banged his best friend's daughter, ew.

Second, everyone in the movie is a huge whiny bitch. Barbara can't take simple freaking orders from her boss, she has to go all emotional and whiny about Batman telling her not to do something.

Then Batman bangs her and fires her.

Then Batman goes and visits the Joker in prison, and he's A NAGGY WIFE. "Where are we in our relationship?" Did Batman actually fucking say that to The Joker? Why is Batman talking way more than The Joker?

Every theme is forced, explained, hand-held and forced through the whole movie and nothing is left to interpretation.

Then the biggest "fuck you" of the movie is that we don't see the aftermath of Batman brutally murdering The Joker. The only redeeming factor of the movie was how they showed the humanity in The Joker at the very end.

Even Jim Gordan was crying like a baby before Joker even messed with his head!

Basically Steven Universe came in and turned it into another shitty cartoon soap opera.
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And the pacing, the first whole half of the movie didn't even need to exist. The gangster was just the main antagonist and then he was never brought up again.
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Wait, what? This is supposed to be based on the comic, right? (Granted, Batman and Batgirl might have hooked up in other comics, but I don't remember any of that in The Killing Joke... or any mobster. The first scene I recall was Joker buying an amusement part or something.)
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Zeus posted...

Wait, what? This is supposed to be based on the comic, right? (Granted, Batman and Batgirl might have hooked up in other comics, but I don't remember any of that in The Killing Joke... or any mobster. The first scene I recall was Joker buying an amusement part or something.)

Straight bat sex in full costumes on a roof

Was disgusting
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Zeus posted...

Wait, what? This is supposed to be based on the comic, right? (Granted, Batman and Batgirl might have hooked up in other comics, but I don't remember any of that in The Killing Joke... or any mobster. The first scene I recall was Joker buying an amusement part or something.)

It's kind of a shitty adaptation.

It's one saving grace is that it's probably going to be Mark Hamill's last major performance as the Joker. Which is part of why some people have suggested someone should just save all of his VA recordings and outtakes, and then years from now animate an entirely new, better version of the story but still use his voice in it.


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Zeus posted...

Wait, what? This is supposed to be based on the comic, right? (Granted, Batman and Batgirl might have hooked up in other comics, but I don't remember any of that in The Killing Joke... or any mobster. The first scene I recall was Joker buying an amusement part or something.)

They added a prologue before the actual adaptation segment begins.
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ParanoidObsessive posted...

It's kind of a shitty adaptation.

They're all kind of shitty adaptations. I guess I shouldn't be surprised by anything after watching Son of Batman.
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Zeus posted...

Son of Batman.

I'm scared away already. That sounds like a Godzilla movie.
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Imagine the royal shit fuckery it would have been as live action.
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>Batman murdering

...it is Batman we are talking about here...
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Foppe posted...

...it is Batman we are talking about here...

Like the furthest from Batman as it gets.

He was an emotional wet rag.
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Zeus posted...

Wait, what? This is supposed to be based on the comic, right? (Granted, Batman and Batgirl might have hooked up in other comics, but I don't remember any of that in The Killing Joke... or any mobster. The first scene I recall was Joker buying an amusement part or something.)

she initiates it, they show batman caressing her butt
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Yellow posted...

Then the biggest "fuck you" of the movie is that we don't see the aftermath of Batman brutally murdering The Joker. The only redeeming factor of the movie was how they showed the humanity in The Joker at the very end.

I didn't see the movie, but I just read the wikipedia page and it doesn't say for sure that Batman kills him. It says his fate is ambiguous. Why do you think Batman killed him?

SkynyrdRocker posted...

Yellow posted...

Then the biggest "fuck you" of the movie is that we don't see the aftermath of Batman brutally murdering The Joker. The only redeeming factor of the movie was how they showed the humanity in The Joker at the very end.

I didn't see the movie, but I just read the wikipedia page and it doesn't say for sure that Batman kills him. It says his fate is ambiguous. Why do you think Batman killed him?

Yeah, they very purposefully leave it open.

I liked it a lot.

But I had no expectations for it (not a comic reader and this is no exception). All I cared about was Mark Hamill as The Joker and that's what I got so I was pleased.

He even had a cool musical number.
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SkynyrdRocker posted...

Yellow posted...

Then the biggest "fuck you" of the movie is that we don't see the aftermath of Batman brutally murdering The Joker. The only redeeming factor of the movie was how they showed the humanity in The Joker at the very end.

I didn't see the movie, but I just read the wikipedia page and it doesn't say for sure that Batman kills him. It says his fate is ambiguous. Why do you think Batman killed him?

The Wikipedia page is wrong. The water turned blood red and the joker stopped laughing.

It's heavily implied. Actually, it's probably referencing the comic.
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Yellow posted...

Zeus posted...

Son of Batman.

I'm scared away already. That sounds like a Godzilla movie.

To be fair, it was a shitty storyline in the comics even before it was completely ruined by the cartoon. However, there's something special in being able to take a bad idea and make it a hundred times worse.

Foppe posted...

>Batman murdering

...it is Batman we are talking about here...

It's not the 1930s or 40s any more. He's been pretty strongly against killing since his character was revamped over 50 years ago.

Yellow posted...

It's heavily implied. Actually, it's probably referencing the comic.

That's not how the comic ends. Gordon insists that Batman bring the Joker in alive, so he captures him. Afterward, the Joker makes a joke about two mental patients and a flashlight, prompting Batman to laugh.

The Killing Joke was a major canonical event, the aftermath of which transitioned Barbara Gordon from Batgirl to Oracle and opening the role to a succession of new Batgirls. The Joker obviously never died.

EDIT: Found two different sets of panels depicting the end of The Killing Joke where the coloring on the page is different

http://comicsalliance.com/files/2013/08/Batman-The-Killing-Joke-47.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11121/111211669/5243390-killing_joke_ending.jpg

The brighter-colored panel one kinda looks like blood while the other doesn't. Given that I can't remember blood in the water, I would assume I read the second version which might have been from the TPB rather than the original comic event
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Yeah, the whole barbara and bruce relationship thing is ridiculously stupid and it sounds like the whole thing was ruined. Minus joker being awesome, cause mark hamill, i dont want to see the movie. I see son of batman and the redhood one, they were both awesome but this just sounds really really bad and misses the whole point of the killing joke, they didn't even add in the end of batman laughing like a maniac. Who ever did this movie, took it as a literal movie instead of a adaptation. I don't mind things being changed as long as the change is good, these were obviously terrible changes.
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yutterh posted...

I see son of batman and the redhood one, they were both awesome but this just sounds really really bad and misses the whole point of the killing joke

Under the Red Hood was ok, but you're the first person I've heard praise Son of Batman and hopefully the last as well.
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Zeus posted...

yutterh posted...

I see son of batman and the redhood one, they were both awesome but this just sounds really really bad and misses the whole point of the killing joke

Under the Red Hood was ok, but you're the first person I've heard praise Son of Batman and hopefully the last as well.

Well could have been better, but it wasn't terrible.
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The whole first half of it you should skip because it was only made as filler since the original isn't long enough to carry itself as a movie.

Of course any filthy casual would be stupid enough to watch the whole thing.
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I fell asleep watching it during my first attempt, and was bored during my second. It is easily the worst DC animated feature I have watched. Nowhere near the quality of Mask of the Phantasm, Under the Red Hood, or Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker.
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Zeus posted...

Yellow posted...

Zeus posted...

Son of Batman.

I'm scared away already. That sounds like a Godzilla movie.

To be fair, it was a shitty storyline in the comics even before it was completely ruined by the cartoon. However, there's something special in being able to take a bad idea and make it a hundred times worse.

Foppe posted...

>Batman murdering

...it is Batman we are talking about here...

It's not the 1930s or 40s any more. He's been pretty strongly against killing since his character was revamped over 50 years ago.

Yellow posted...

It's heavily implied. Actually, it's probably referencing the comic.

That's not how the comic ends. Gordon insists that Batman bring the Joker in alive, so he captures him. Afterward, the Joker makes a joke about two mental patients and a flashlight, prompting Batman to laugh.

The Killing Joke was a major canonical event, the aftermath of which transitioned Barbara Gordon from Batgirl to Oracle and opening the role to a succession of new Batgirls. The Joker obviously never died.

EDIT: Found two different sets of panels depicting the end of The Killing Joke where the coloring on the page is different

http://comicsalliance.com/files/2013/08/Batman-The-Killing-Joke-47.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11121/111211669/5243390-killing_joke_ending.jpg

The brighter-colored panel one kinda looks like blood while the other doesn't. Given that I can't remember blood in the water, I would assume I read the second version which might have been from the TPB rather than the original comic event

The first is the original color. The second is recolored version done for the recent trade releases.
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TheCyborgNinja posted...

I fell asleep watching it during my first attempt, and was bored during my second. It is easily the worst DC animated feature I have watched. Nowhere near the quality of Mask of the Phantasm, Under the Red Hood, or Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker.

You know what's funny? I actually found myself nodding off while watching Year One and Dark Knight Returns. So far I've only seen those two, plus The Killing Joke obviously, and Assault on Arkham from the DC animated movies.

I absolutely love Assault on Arkham. I also can't wait for Batman and Harley Quinn next week.
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