Current Events > "MLK was against gay marriage... should we take his statue down?"

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Someone on my Facebook right now. Bruhhh.
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Unfriend them tbh
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That's a pretty good point actually.
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Why do conservatives say this, when they don't care about gay people either?
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JohnLennon6 posted...

That's a pretty good point actually.

Stfu
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LightningAce11 posted...

Why do conservatives say this, when they don't care about gay people either?

Same reason they bring up the middle East killing gay people when they get criticized for opposing lgbt rights.

Because they just want to lower the bar and make themselves seem better by comparison.

Alternately, some might very well say that because it's what they would very much want to be the case here as well.
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That was the water cooler talk around the office this morning

Figures someone saw it on Facebook
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MLK's chief accomplishment wasn't in any way related to gay marriage.
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Thomas Jefferson owned like over 100 slaves. Should we take his $2 bill away? >_>
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NeonOctopus posted...

Thomas Jefferson owned like over 100 slaves. Should we take his $2 bill away? >_>

Trump did mention Jefferson and Washington already.
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I didn't watch the speech >_> Did he say that?
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Yes. You should watch it. It was truly the worst(best) yet.
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Well we should strive to be consistent. So yes yes we should.
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Robert E. Lee has statues solely because he fought to defend a short-lived country built on slavery
MLK has statues because he fought for civil rights for African-Americans

You can separate King's activism from his less-public views. You cannot separate Confederates from the cause they were fighting for.
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NeonOctopus posted...

Thomas Jefferson owned like over 100 slaves. Should we take his $2 bill away? >_>

Are those still in circulation?
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LittleScootaIoo posted...

Well we should strive to be consistent. So yes yes we should.

You think so?
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Antifar posted...

Robert E. Lee has statues solely because he fought to defend a short-lived country built on slavery
MLK has statues because he fought for civil rights for African-Americans

You can separate King's activism from his less-public views. You cannot separate Confederates from the cause they were fighting for.

but I guess this argument is to say you can't take away Washington's Statue despite he was a racist slave owner who was reportedly harsh in whipping them

since his merits also rest on other things

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27_Sandman_40 posted...

Today I learned it's okay to be an incredible piece of shit so long as you start a country.

today you didn't learn anything because this has nothing to do with the argument
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27_Sandman_40 posted...

How come the public villifies Bill Cosby then considering he's done more positive for civil rights than harm?

Because he drugged and raped several women?
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27_Sandman_40 posted...

Today I learned it's okay to be an incredible piece of shit so long as you start a country.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Ch%C3%A1vez

https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2012/country-chapters/venezuela

so yea, he was a pos but will be forever memorialized
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27_Sandman_40 posted...

Darmik posted...

27_Sandman_40 posted...

How come the public villifies Bill Cosby then considering he's done more positive for civil rights than harm?

Because he drugged and raped several women?

Washington and Jefferson literally enslaved and murdered an entire race, and genocided the other. I don't care if they did some positives for the world, overall they're still two big despicable pieces of shit.

That's the Bill Cosby comparison, and people should recognize that.

Being an actor on TV (who's still alive today) isn't comparable to being a historical figure. Regardless of how bad either of them were. It's a dumb comparison to make.
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LightningAce11 posted...

Why do conservatives say this

Because it's points out how stupid it is to rewrite history using modern political standards that were not universal at the time.
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27_Sandman_40 posted...

Bill Cosby wasn't just an "actor"

He was a big actor on TV. So yes he was. At most he'll be a footnote in history. He's not going to be discussed in 200 years. We're overall detached to people from a long time ago regardless of what they did and we cannot ignore their significance. Bill Cosby is not this person. Nobody today is this person.

People aren't willing to overlook rape because they laughed at him on TV three decades ago.
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People are taking cement way too seriously.
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27_Sandman_40 posted...

It's not rewriting history when you remove them from currency or move their statues to a museum.

That's true, but it is rewriting history when somewhat like Robert E. Lee is being called a villain and traitor by millions of uneducated, regressive liberals who know nothing about his life except that he was a confederate general and owned slaves and they've branded everyone in those buckets as "evil."
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27_Sandman_40 posted...

Germany having a blank page between 1939 and 1945, however, IS rewriting history.

hahaha what is this.


do you think germany just pretends wwii didn't happen? are you really drawing some equivalence between that and not entertaining nazism since then?
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Fucking Robert E. Lee said that the Confederacy shouldn't be celebrated after losing the war and you people want to talk about rewriting history?

It's clearly about the racism part because y'all clearly have no interest in the actual facts of the matter on history.
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27_Sandman_40 posted...

Do some research on civil rights and get back to me when you realize Bill Cosby wasn't just an actor. You won't, because you literally only care about civil rights when a talking head tells you to.

He's not known for being a Civil Rights Activist overall. He's known for the Cosby Show. Clooney is known for being an actor despite his political activism too.

Hell even if we're speaking about someone who is solely a civil rights activist that would be a massive taint on their legacy. We're not detached from people who are alive today. We live in their environment. We are in a society where it's seen as abhorrent to rape innocent people. Anyone who lives in a western society today would have their entire legacy crumble because of that.
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the whole 'x person or nation did a bad thing, should we ERASE!!!! them too???" shtick is fairly threadbare when you consider that in all such examples, the badness of said person or thing tends to be incidental to their existence as opposed to something like the confederacy which was literally built on ideals of racial superiority and slave ownership (oh and muh state rights lol).

that being said, distancing ourselves from the celebration of people who were certifiably awful isn't a bad thing. there is obviously a difference between MLK having views that wouldn't be out of place in his time and bill cosby freaking raping people though.
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27_Sandman_40 posted...

Kineth posted...

Fucking Robert E. Lee said that the Confederacy shouldn't be celebrated after losing the war and you people want to talk about rewriting history?

It's clearly about the racism part because y'all clearly have no interest in the actual facts of the matter on history.

Are you referring to me?

Please answer before I put my two cents in.

Other than Admiral, I wasn't specifically referring to anyone unless they are suggesting that tearing down Confederate statues is rewriting history.
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27_Sandman_40 posted...

Oh, for once we agree then.

Washington and Jefferson should go too, tbqh.

Not an argument that I'm making or supporting.
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i still want to know does kanjo think germany pretends wwii didn't happen or
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27_Sandman_40 posted...

"Rape wasnt as frowned upon in the 1800s so its totally cool if we leave Andrew Jackson on the $20 bill, but fuck the dude who helped bridge the gap between whites and blacks in a time where we still needed someone to"

Pretty much all of history is messed up like that. We'd need to completely ignore it if we used those standards. Maybe in 200 years people will think we're messed up too.

I think it's fine to acknowledge and teach that historical figures who are glorified were not good people. Hell often we have to speculate and theorize on the kind of people they even were. We're completely detached as to how they lived their lives.

But in todays society we don't need to wonder about the kind of person Cosby is.
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I'm no history expert, but wasn't Robert E Lee at least somewhat opposed to slavery, the secession, and fighting the Union? iirc, the main reason he fought was to defend his home state. Not saying he was a good or bad guy, just that it seems unfair to make it seem so black and white like some people are doing.

LJRENEGADE posted...

I'm no history expert, but wasn't Robert E Lee at least somewhat opposed to slavery, the secession, and fighting the Union?

He had a funny way of showing his opposition to these. There were Virginians who fought for the Union. Lots of them! Lee was not one of them. As a general, his armies captured free black people and enslaved them.
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MLK was a fucking hero and he was killed because he wanted to unite the working class of all races. There should be more statues of him

PM0US3 posted...

MLK was a fucking hero and he was killed because he wanted to unite the working class of all races. There should be more statues of him

We don't need statues to remember MLK
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