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DarkChozoGhost
08/10/17 12:21:51 PM
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80/80

The Mario cast are like actors in a troupe that take on different roles, and all Mario games are just a play, not just SMB3.
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ForestLogic
08/10/17 12:36:30 PM
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Miyamoto has said a lot of absurd things, but that one was definitely the weirdest.
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masterpug53
08/10/17 12:46:51 PM
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I'm actually fine with this. Makes it more plausibly canon that Peach and Bowser are an item when they're offstage.

And when you start thinking about it, most of the Mario level designs could pass as stage props, especially the 2D worlds.
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Duncanwii
08/10/17 12:51:04 PM
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Weird I can only find evidence saying SMB3 is a play. Please, do provide proof that every game is a play.
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thompsontalker7
08/10/17 12:51:33 PM
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Uhh, I thought that only applied to SMB3/Paper Mario?
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Zembaphobia
08/10/17 12:52:46 PM
#6:


Duncanwii posted...
Weird I can only find evidence saying SMB3 is a play. Please, do provide proof that every game is a play.

I've seen images of Bowser fucking Peach. It doesn't make sense for Mario to be saving Peach, if she and Bowser are fucking
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Duncanwii
08/10/17 12:55:04 PM
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Zembaphobia posted...
Duncanwii posted...
Weird I can only find evidence saying SMB3 is a play. Please, do provide proof that every game is a play.

I've seen images of Bowser fucking Peach. It doesn't make sense for Mario to be saving Peach, if she and Bowser are fucking

Fanart isn't canon. Statements from Miyamoto is. And I've only found evidence of him saying just 3 was a play not all of them.
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AbstraktProfSC2
08/10/17 12:56:15 PM
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Zembaphobia posted...
Duncanwii posted...
Weird I can only find evidence saying SMB3 is a play. Please, do provide proof that every game is a play.

I've seen images of Bowser fucking Peach. It doesn't make sense for Mario to be saving Peach, if she and Bowser are fucking

what? It almost makes TOO MUCH sense...
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neverwin
08/10/17 12:57:24 PM
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Miyamoto only said 3 was a play.
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Zembaphobia
08/10/17 4:00:48 PM
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Duncanwii posted...
Zembaphobia posted...
Duncanwii posted...
Weird I can only find evidence saying SMB3 is a play. Please, do provide proof that every game is a play.

I've seen images of Bowser fucking Peach. It doesn't make sense for Mario to be saving Peach, if she and Bowser are fucking

Fanart isn't canon. Statements from Miyamoto is. And I've only found evidence of him saying just 3 was a play not all of them.

It wasn't fanart. Can't just blanket all mario porn as "fanart." Some of it can be canon
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Terra-enforcer
08/10/17 4:01:47 PM
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Where is it stated this is the case for all games in the series? I doubt this is the case for games like Galaxy and Odyssey. Or Sunshine when he's just on vacation, or the Mario and Luigi games.
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08/10/17 4:03:15 PM
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Zembaphobia posted...
Duncanwii posted...
Zembaphobia posted...
Duncanwii posted...
Weird I can only find evidence saying SMB3 is a play. Please, do provide proof that every game is a play.

I've seen images of Bowser fucking Peach. It doesn't make sense for Mario to be saving Peach, if she and Bowser are fucking

Fanart isn't canon. Statements from Miyamoto is. And I've only found evidence of him saying just 3 was a play not all of them.

It wasn't fanart. Can't just blanket all mario porn as "fanart." Some of it can be canon


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LockeMonster
08/10/17 4:04:20 PM
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And here I thought it was all hallucinations brought on by Mario's shrooming and addiction.
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EyeWontBeFooled
08/10/17 4:04:55 PM
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masterpug53 posted...
I'm actually fine with this. Makes it more plausibly canon that Peach and Bowser are an item when they're offstage.

And when you start thinking about it, most of the Mario level designs could pass as stage props, especially the 2D worlds.

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DarkChozoGhost
08/11/17 1:26:20 AM
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neverwin posted...
Miyamoto only said 3 was a play.

Wrong. The Q&A for Mario Maker is not the only time he's addressed that.

In response to a question regarding the Mario characters' willingness to play tennis or race karts with each other despite constantly being at odds, Miyamoto stated that he thinks of the cast as more of "a troupe of actors."

"If you're familiar with things like Popeye and some of the old comic characters, you would oftentimes see this cast of characters that takes on different roles depending on the comic or cartoon," Miyamoto said. "They might be businessman in one [cartoon] or a pirate in another. Depending on the story that was being told, they would change roles. So, to a certain degree, I look at our characters in a similar way and feel that they can take on different roles in different games."


It was from a Gameinformer interview back in 2012. That interview also confirmed that Dr. Mario doesn't have a medical license (it's like he just plays one on TV!)
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Bat178
08/11/17 1:30:12 AM
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Does that include the Wario Land and Yoshi's Island games?
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Darmik
08/11/17 1:32:05 AM
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SMB3 was a play. Super Mario 64 was either a live news broadcast or a TV show/movie.

Outside of that, who knows!

I do think there's more to the story. How come the places Mario journeys in are just a bunch of obstacle courses, castles and whatever but there are villages, farms and cities in Mario Kart? Doesn't Mario Kart seem like some sort of sports broadcast? Like a bunch of Toads and Yoshi's are watching their favorite celebrities have a race?

It really makes you think...
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DarkChozoGhost
08/11/17 1:32:54 AM
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Yeah. Especially because Baby Mario is a separate character, and can interact with regular Mario without time travel.

I like to headcanon that Pauline had a fight with the producers and got replaced and kicked from the crew.

Also, Mario Party 2 is another game that shows "It's all a play"
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Terra-enforcer
08/11/17 1:35:38 AM
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DarkChozoGhost posted...
neverwin posted...
Miyamoto only said 3 was a play.

Wrong. The Q&A for Mario Maker is not the only time he's addressed that.

In response to a question regarding the Mario characters' willingness to play tennis or race karts with each other despite constantly being at odds, Miyamoto stated that he thinks of the cast as more of "a troupe of actors."

"If you're familiar with things like Popeye and some of the old comic characters, you would oftentimes see this cast of characters that takes on different roles depending on the comic or cartoon," Miyamoto said. "They might be businessman in one [cartoon] or a pirate in another. Depending on the story that was being told, they would change roles. So, to a certain degree, I look at our characters in a similar way and feel that they can take on different roles in different games."


It was from a Gameinformer interview back in 2012. That interview also confirmed that Dr. Mario doesn't have a medical license (it's like he just plays one on TV!)

he thinks

no confirmation at all. And one of the golden rules it to take everything Miyamoto says with a grain of salt.
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Terra-enforcer
08/11/17 1:38:31 AM
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DarkChozoGhost posted...
Yeah. Especially because Baby Mario is a separate character, and can interact with regular Mario without time travel.

I like to headcanon that Pauline had a fight with the producers and got replaced and kicked from the crew.

Also, Mario Party 2 is another game that shows "It's all a play"

The only time they interact "regularly" is in spin offs. It's usually explained otherwise.
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Darmik
08/11/17 1:40:46 AM
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Maybe it's like Wreck-It Ralph. They all have their roles to play and afterwards they have little parties.

Terra-enforcer posted...
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he thinks

no confirmation at all. And one of the golden rules it to take everything Miyamoto says with a grain of salt.


It's pretty obvious that's how Nintendo treats Mario. They're just characters who play a role. Whatever that role is depends on the game. Just like a Popeye cartoon. It's not meant to be taken seriously.
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Terra-enforcer
08/11/17 1:44:30 AM
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Darmik posted...
Maybe it's like Wreck-It Ralph. They all have their roles to play and afterwards they have little parties.

Terra-enforcer posted...
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he thinks

no confirmation at all. And one of the golden rules it to take everything Miyamoto says with a grain of salt.


It's pretty obvious that's how Nintendo treats Mario. They're just characters who play a role. Whatever that role is depends on the game. Just like a Popeye cartoon. It's not meant to be taken seriously.

But that does not mean that they are all a "stage play" per say. It just means Nintendo doesn't give much of a damn about continuity or canonicity when it comes to Mario.
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ArchiePeck
08/11/17 1:48:28 AM
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Holy literalism Batman!

That Miyamoto interview does not in any way mean that every game is a stage play.
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Darmik
08/11/17 1:49:04 AM
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Terra-enforcer posted...
But that does not mean that they are all a "stage play" per say. It just means Nintendo doesn't give much of a damn about continuity or canonicity when it comes to Mario.


Yeah he didn't say anything about it being a play. Seems like a bit of a translation thing when they said 'troupe of actors' when that doesn't seem to be what he was talking about.

It's more comparable to old cartoons like the Looney Tunes. Several characters play roles and foils to each other but the circumstances of that can be extremely different and there's nothing really linking them outside of that.
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Terra-enforcer
08/11/17 1:52:06 AM
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Darmik posted...
Terra-enforcer posted...
But that does not mean that they are all a "stage play" per say. It just means Nintendo doesn't give much of a damn about continuity or canonicity when it comes to Mario.


Yeah he didn't say anything about it being a play. Seems like a bit of a translation thing when they said 'troupe of actors' when that doesn't seem to be what he was talking about.

It's more comparable to old cartoons like the Looney Tunes. Several characters play roles and foils to each other but the circumstances of that can be extremely different and there's nothing really linking them outside of that.

Could be. I was just making the comment that TC's assertion that the plays are canon for all of the games is false.
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Darmik
08/11/17 2:02:16 AM
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What we all need to actually be reminded about is that Mario is a guy in his mid-twenties. I'm older than Mario :(
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Terra-enforcer
08/11/17 2:07:09 AM
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Darmik posted...
What we all need to actually be reminded about is that Mario is a guy in his mid-twenties. I'm older than Mario :(

That's still so dumb. I don't understand why they had to make him so young. You gotta wonder how young some of the other characters are, like Peach.

I also wonder how long ago he was with Pauline and beating on his pet Gorilla. Are we to believe Mario was a teenager when that all happened? Because if that DK was Cranky, it had to be quite some time since then.
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Darmik
08/11/17 2:11:14 AM
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Terra-enforcer posted...
That's still so dumb. I don't understand why they had to make him so young. You gotta wonder how young some of the other characters are, like Peach.


I never thought Peach was old so I guess that puts them in a similar age bracket at least. Thinking about it there's nothing really indicating him being older. He has a squeaky voice, pudgy and can grow a moustache. That probably describes a chunk of CE.

Terra-enforcer posted...
I also wonder how long ago he was with Pauline and beating on his pet Gorilla. Are we to believe Mario was a teenager when that all happened? Because if that DK was Cranky, it had to be quite some time since then.


Mario doesn't age as long as he's appearing in games. Maybe because he uses 1-Ups.

Donkey Kong disappeared for a long time. While he wasn't in games he aged and became Cranky. He was replaced by someone younger, sexier and more professional.
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Terra-enforcer
08/11/17 2:15:14 AM
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Darmik posted...
Mario doesn't age as long as he's appearing in games. Maybe because he uses 1-Ups.

Donkey Kong disappeared for a long time. While he wasn't in games he aged and became Cranky. He was replaced by someone younger, sexier and more professional.

idk if Cranky aged as much as he did Mario had to have aged somewhat. And if he did, the whole "timeline" becomes even more weird.
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Awakened_Link
08/11/17 4:33:07 AM
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Not that I support this theory, but isnt this supposed to explain why Bower can be kidnapping Peach and battling Mario in one game and playing sports and partying with them in the next?
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Bok_Choi
08/11/17 4:43:16 AM
#31:


DarkChozoGhost posted...
neverwin posted...
Miyamoto only said 3 was a play.

Wrong. The Q&A for Mario Maker is not the only time he's addressed that.

In response to a question regarding the Mario characters' willingness to play tennis or race karts with each other despite constantly being at odds, Miyamoto stated that he thinks of the cast as more of "a troupe of actors."

"If you're familiar with things like Popeye and some of the old comic characters, you would oftentimes see this cast of characters that takes on different roles depending on the comic or cartoon," Miyamoto said. "They might be businessman in one [cartoon] or a pirate in another. Depending on the story that was being told, they would change roles. So, to a certain degree, I look at our characters in a similar way and feel that they can take on different roles in different games."


It was from a Gameinformer interview back in 2012. That interview also confirmed that Dr. Mario doesn't have a medical license (it's like he just plays one on TV!)

That doesn't fucking mean that they're actors in a play
It means he uses them like character pieces from old cartoons

which, again, is not the same thing as being an actual acting troupe performing a play (smb3)
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Irony
08/11/17 4:53:48 AM
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Miyamoto is senile
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Kajagogo
08/11/17 5:02:22 AM
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Terra-enforcer posted...
Darmik posted...
Mario doesn't age as long as he's appearing in games. Maybe because he uses 1-Ups.

Donkey Kong disappeared for a long time. While he wasn't in games he aged and became Cranky. He was replaced by someone younger, sexier and more professional.

idk if Cranky aged as much as he did Mario had to have aged somewhat. And if he did, the whole "timeline" becomes even more weird.


And how come we never see Donkey Kong Jr. anymore? (Cranky's son, and the current Donkey Kong's father.)
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Zembaphobia
08/11/17 9:06:22 AM
#35:


I is smart posted...
Zembaphobia posted...
Duncanwii posted...
Zembaphobia posted...
Duncanwii posted...
Weird I can only find evidence saying SMB3 is a play. Please, do provide proof that every game is a play.

I've seen images of Bowser fucking Peach. It doesn't make sense for Mario to be saving Peach, if she and Bowser are fucking

Fanart isn't canon. Statements from Miyamoto is. And I've only found evidence of him saying just 3 was a play not all of them.

It wasn't fanart. Can't just blanket all mario porn as "fanart." Some of it can be canon


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This is official art that's part of Mario lore. It confirms that they banged. While Nintendo has not officially confirmed how they banged, it's reasonable to assume that some of the artwork was leaked by Nintendo. To think otherwise is just silly, and I can't take you seriously. The DA on the pic belongs to a Nintendo affiliate
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DevsBro
08/11/17 9:12:20 AM
#36:


Can't just blanket all mario porn as "fanart." Some of it can be canon

This is pretty siggable, lol.

Anyway, there's a difference between each character being an actor and the games being in-universe plays. Being actors just means they don't always have to have the same role. It's in response to questions about Mario and Bowser playing tennis together, and the asnwer is "they're not enemies in this game."
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DevsBro
08/11/17 9:13:12 AM
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It's another way of saying there's no continuty.
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NibeIungsnarf
08/11/17 9:14:41 AM
#38:


Reminder that creator canon is meaningless unless its aparent within the piece of discussion.

Author is dead, etc.
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3khc
08/11/17 9:23:40 AM
#39:


SMW and SMRPG had parades with all characters at the end.

SSB/M were toys played by a kid.
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Zembaphobia
08/11/17 9:27:22 AM
#40:


3khc posted...
SMW and SMRPG had parades with all characters at the end.

SSB/M were toys played by a kid.

And who was Mario fuckin in that toy game? Someone that wasn't Peach. Further adds up with Bowser and Peach banging behind the scenes
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Kajagogo
08/11/17 9:28:15 AM
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Zembaphobia posted...
I is smart posted...
Zembaphobia posted...
Duncanwii posted...
Zembaphobia posted...
Duncanwii posted...
Weird I can only find evidence saying SMB3 is a play. Please, do provide proof that every game is a play.

I've seen images of Bowser fucking Peach. It doesn't make sense for Mario to be saving Peach, if she and Bowser are fucking

Fanart isn't canon. Statements from Miyamoto is. And I've only found evidence of him saying just 3 was a play not all of them.

It wasn't fanart. Can't just blanket all mario porn as "fanart." Some of it can be canon


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jQIpC8B
This is official art that's part of Mario lore. It confirms that they banged. While Nintendo has not officially confirmed how they banged, it's reasonable to assume that some of the artwork was leaked by Nintendo. To think otherwise is just silly, and I can't take you seriously. The DA on the pic belongs to a Nintendo affiliate



Nah. The Koopa Kids aren't the same age. Ludwig is the oldest, he wouldn't still be an infant if Larry was there.
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Zembaphobia
08/11/17 9:32:27 AM
#42:


Kajagogo posted...
Zembaphobia posted...
I is smart posted...
Zembaphobia posted...
Duncanwii posted...
Zembaphobia posted...
Duncanwii posted...
Weird I can only find evidence saying SMB3 is a play. Please, do provide proof that every game is a play.

I've seen images of Bowser fucking Peach. It doesn't make sense for Mario to be saving Peach, if she and Bowser are fucking

Fanart isn't canon. Statements from Miyamoto is. And I've only found evidence of him saying just 3 was a play not all of them.

It wasn't fanart. Can't just blanket all mario porn as "fanart." Some of it can be canon


QGzjyC3



jQIpC8B
This is official art that's part of Mario lore. It confirms that they banged. While Nintendo has not officially confirmed how they banged, it's reasonable to assume that some of the artwork was leaked by Nintendo. To think otherwise is just silly, and I can't take you seriously. The DA on the pic belongs to a Nintendo affiliate



Nah. The Koopa Kids aren't the same age. Ludwig is the oldest, he wouldn't still be an infant if Larry was there.

Do you even have an age on Ludwig? Just being the oldest means nothing about body size and development of koopas. Either way it's official Nintendo art, and trying to poke holes at it is silly. Especially when it's something so shallow as one being older. He could even be older in the sense that he was first out the womb.
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Kajagogo
08/11/17 9:36:12 AM
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Yea, that's why it's on Devianart, because it's so "official".
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Skye Reynolds
08/11/17 9:49:19 AM
#44:


Yeah. Miyamoto is kinda crazy with his censorship of violence and anti-continuity views. Remember, GoldenEye 64 is just a movie. The "actors" appear during the end credits because Miyamoto originally pushed for Bond to visit his defeated foes in the hospital.

In Mario's case, it's probably for the best. Miyamoto likened Mario to Popeye or Bugs Bunny in that every story is more or less self-contained. I would have preferred continuity, but it just opens up the door to some bad possibilities.

Look at Sonic the Hedgehog.
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DevsBro
08/11/17 9:52:27 AM
#45:


Continuity in Mario is a bad idea because it requires a more complex story than "princess got kidnapped again."
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DarkChozoGhost
08/11/17 10:26:53 AM
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It's not necessarily all "stage plays," but each is the characters playing the roles. It's never a genuine threat to their existence, to the characters it's all scripted.
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bobbysjoby
08/11/17 10:55:33 AM
#47:


FUCK THIS TOPIC

it bullshit, they didn't act it out, they did naaaaaaahhht
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DarkChozoGhost
08/11/17 11:04:50 AM
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They did.
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Zembaphobia
08/11/17 11:09:01 AM
#49:


Kajagogo posted...
Yea, that's why it's on Devianart, because it's so "official".

I have no need to convince you of shit. It's official art whether you want to admit it or not. Sorry your MarioxPeach OTP wasn't a thing
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DK9292
08/11/17 11:10:24 AM
#50:


Zembaphobia posted...
Kajagogo posted...
Yea, that's why it's on Devianart, because it's so "official".

I have no need to convince you of shit. It's official art whether you want to admit it or not. Sorry your MarioxPeach OTP wasn't a thing

Dude, I follow that artist.

Kevin Bolk is awesome, but an official Nintendo artist he ain't.
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