Current Events > Seems like Malcom X gets swept to the side, why don't we celebrate him more?

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MLK was beginning to doubt his own methods before he died, lol.
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Transcendentia posted...

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That's a pretty weak cop-out excuse, to be honest. Let's not be hypocritical.

how is it a cop-out, when one way from an era, where he saw, what he considered to be, his people being killed, brutalized, etc., with little justice, and the other belongs to a group that has been a literal and political majority for who knows how long?

And Richard Spencer sees what he considers to be all manners of offenses and violence against whites. Both individuals twisted the shit out of things in order to justify their hatred of other races. They didn't develop that hatred by seeing injustices - they try to use perceived injustices in order to justify the hatred they already held to begin with.

I mean, Malcom X believed that whites are failed experiments and inferior to blacks, right? It's literally along the same lines of what Richard Spencer believes about black people.

but the offenses that black people suffered really did happen.

Spencer being delusional doesn't make the two cases similar.

X's dumb religious beliefs, or nah.

He opposed integration, literally believed that white people were devils created by evil scientists, and spread these types of thoughts broadly and generally regardless of whether or not his experiences with white people were subjective rather than objective. He certainly had a rough childhood, but none of that justifies his beliefs and his actions.

MLK had a rough life too, and yet he disavowed violence and didn't spread this type of horse shit. Malcom X's beliefs were not the result of his experiences, they were the result of his inherent racism and hatred of other skin colors.

It's good that he recanted at the end, but that's like Richard Spencer becoming super Christian or some shit - it's fine and dandy but ultimately useless and meaningless considering all the additional racism he's been inspiring.

you have the benefit of being able to see the flaws in his views in hindsight.

imagine living in an X supremacist society, where your people don't have the same rights as the majority, that your history in that society started it chains, and has been bloody ever since. that your interactions with the majority have rarely went well, and often with conflict.

would you really believe that peace and integration could happen like that? there was no history of it happening.

if you didn't, and continued seeing your people brutalized, wouldn't it make sense that maybe your people might have a better chance separately?

I understand disagreeing with his views, and even considering then abhorrent, but it's dishonest to make some kinda parallel with X and Spencer

How do you explain MLK then? He went through the same type of society and absolutely refused to accept this temptation regarding violence and black supremacy.

And do you really think Malcom X had a statistically relevant representation of whites as a race or people? He should've realized that the majority of whites are not like that.

(Martin Luther King, Jr., about Malcolm)
You know, right before he was killed he came down to Selma and said some pretty passionate things against me, and that surprised me because after all it was my territory there. But afterwards he took my wife aside, and said he thought he could help me more by attacking me than praising me. He thought it would make it easier for me in the long run.
MLK, Halberstam, "Second coming of MLK", p.51

Malcolm X wasnt an idiot.
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Malcom X endorsed violence against others based on skin tone. He's the black equivalent of the KKK.
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I4NRulez posted...

Malcolm X wasnt an idiot.

he literally believed that blacks were the superior race and that whites are failed experiments created by evil scientists
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Transcendentia posted...

I4NRulez posted...

Malcolm X wasnt an idiot.

he literally believed that blacks were the superior race and that whites are failed experiments created by evil scientists

No he didn't
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Transcendentia posted...

How do you explain MLK then? He went through the same type of society and absolutely refused to accept this temptation regarding violence and black supremacy.

And do you really think Malcom X had a statistically relevant representation of whites as a race or people? He should've realized that the majority of whites are not like that.

MLK was an extrodinary man. He tried a different approach and it worked. Just like Gandhi tried his approach to breaking British power over India when the many rebellions weren't working.

People respond to things differently. Malcolm X responded it a way that was fairly typical of human beings.
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MLK had a better upbringing than X, and they both had different experiences. for one, their religions likely had a strong impact on their approaches.

and isn't that what happened with X later in his life - meeting non-American whites, amongst other people, in Mecca all practicing the same religion helped change his views

Edit: at post 150
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Transcendentia posted...

I4NRulez posted...

Malcolm X wasnt an idiot.

he literally believed that blacks were the superior race and that whites are failed experiments created by evil scientists

got any videos/quotes of X saying these things? he's said many things, and I don't recall this individual stating any such thing.
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I4NRulez posted...

Malcolm X wasnt an idiot.

he literally believed that blacks were the superior race and that whites are failed experiments created by evil scientists

You really need to let this go. I'm fairly positive you can overlook other historical figures' racist or prejudiced leanings. It's very odd you can't let go of Malcolm X's.
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Transcendentia posted...

he literally believed that blacks were the superior race and that whites are failed experiments created by evil scientists

Can you please find evidence of that for me?

I wrote two papers on him in college and found evidence on him saying some terrible things against white people but i never found anything on him saying white people were created by scientist.
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I4NRulez posted...

Transcendentia posted...

he literally believed that blacks were the superior race and that whites are failed experiments created by evil scientists

Can you please find evidence of that for me?

I wrote two papers on him in college and found evidence on him saying some terrible things against white people but i never found anything on him saying white people were created by scientist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation_of_Islam#Cosmology
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I'm sorry Proud, but you're being unbelievably, laughably dense here. In order to draw the equivalencies you're trying to draw, you have to minimize or erase centuries of American history. One person was reacting a present and past 100 percent filled with subjugation in every facet of political, social, economic, legal, you name it. Mass enslavement, murder, disenfranchisement, rape, subjugation of every single type imaginable in an unbroken chain, deprivation of almost any meaningful opportunity for true advancement and equality. It's not nearly just about personal experiences with white people murdering loved ones with impunity. That was only one expression of absolute white supremacy which the vast majority of whites either outright supported or did absolutely nothing to combat.

When a group is subjugated like that, you can guarantee that's going to create some hatred. That's also create a feeling of inferiority in the people being oppressed. Malcolm X is revered because he was a mouthpiece for both the 100000 percent justified frustration and anger (that went too far into blanket hatred) AND the discovery of black pride. You must know by now that pride assertion by oppressed people's of self worth. I refuse to believe you don't know that by now with all the race debates you get into. I've seen people explain this to you 10 separate times. And even if that never happened, that's no excuse to be so ignorant of something so basic. It could be discovered through a 5 second google search.

MLK went a different way, but he was taking a shot in the dark. The vast majority of reactions to violent oppression like what existed throughout literally all of American history until that point were and have continued to be violent. What he and Gandhi did has only happened a few times in history. Furthermore, he sure as hell was a radical. It's absolutely insane to say that he wasn't. Go read about his economic and overall societal views and his actual philosophies rather than this sterilized, theme park, 7th grade textbook version. Read what he said about white moderates, the expectation of limitless patience, the role of riots, etc.

Does the fact that there were tons of abolitionists at the time of the founding mean that all the founding fathers that weren't rabid abolitionists were racist pieces of garbage? Because that's far less understandable than hating a group that hates you and acts on that hate in every way possible. And we definitely know how you feel about people judging the founders for their abhorrent views based on present day standards, but you're doing that in every post of this topic when it comes to Malcom X, a member of a group that was systematically mistreated and no clear way to fight oppression.
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How do you explain MLK then? He went through the same type of society and absolutely refused to accept this temptation regarding violence and black supremacy.

MX's family was persistently harassed by the Klan, personally, for civil rights activities in a rural area.

His father was murdered by the klan, tied to train tracks and run over as such.

It was ruled a "suicide", and his family was denied his father's life insurance as such.

The stress of dealing with all of this led to his mother having a nervous breakdown, and he and all his siblings were put into foster care.

MLK, coming from a middle class church family in a semi-enlightened southern city, had it quite easy compared to what Malcolm X dealt with.
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Transcendentia posted...

emblem boy posted...

Without Malcom X, one thing I fear is that MLK would have been viewed as even more radical by others. Having Malcom X there I think helped balance it, and he really did give people a message of black pride that arguably, needed to be heard

What do you think about the concept of "white pride"

I don't have any specific thoughts about it.

When I say black pride, I mean not being ashamed of being yourself just because you're black. This applies for anyone and everyone. You shouldn't feel bad for being x or y race.

I think I know what you're trying to get at. I know some people feel as if being white is something that is attacked and looked down upon these days. But when you truly compare it to how black people were treated in those days, I don't really think it's comparable. I'm not trying to create some "they had it worse" contest, but it really was bad back then bro.
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You know somebody is purposely playing dumb when they flat out start lying, haha.
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