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Antifar 08/01/17 8:20:48 PM #1: |
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/01/us/politics/trump-affirmative-action-universities.html
The Trump administration is preparing to redirect resources of the Justice Department’s civil rights division toward investigating and suing universities over affirmative action admissions policies deemed to discriminate against white applicants, according to a document obtained by The New York Times. --- kin to all that throbs ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FightingGames 08/01/17 8:21:17 PM #2: |
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Antifar 08/01/17 8:21:31 PM #3: |
I say this topic gets...231 posts before tapping out. No minds will be changed.
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Butterfiles 08/01/17 8:22:21 PM #4: |
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Sativa_Rerose 08/01/17 8:22:22 PM #5: |
Good, honestly. In 2017, you shouldn't be evaluated based on which box you checked under the race category. That shouldn't even be on the college application.
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Antifar 08/01/17 8:22:59 PM #6: |
Butterfiles posted...
hopefully they look at legacy admissions as well This will not happen --- kin to all that throbs ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sativa_Rerose 08/01/17 8:23:27 PM #7: |
Butterfiles posted...
hopefully they look at legacy admissions as well I agree that legacy admissions are bull, but that doesn't necessarily mean unconstitutional. Also whether or not the university is public or private may come into play, and I don't know if any public universities even look at legacy crap to begin with. Maybe they do, idk. --- My main is currently warned for silly reasons. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Solar_Crimson 08/01/17 8:24:26 PM #9: |
And the alt-righters let out a cheer.
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dragnmaninferno 08/01/17 8:26:46 PM #11: |
Sativa_Rerose posted...
Good, honestly. In 2017, you shouldn't be evaluated based on which box you checked under the race category. That shouldn't even be on the college application. Except racism still exists in this country. I would not be surprised to hear accounts of minorities being denied admission with the excuse of a white applicant being "more qualified" or some b.s. like that. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sativa_Rerose 08/01/17 8:26:57 PM #12: |
JustMyOpinion posted...
Sativa_Rerose posted...Good, honestly. In 2017, you shouldn't be evaluated based on which box you checked under the race category. That shouldn't even be on the college application. Are private organizations allowed to discriminate on the basis of race? Can you have a whites only country club or something? If so, then that should go for colleges too. There just needs to be consistency across the board when it comes to the private institutions. As for the public institutions, that is very different as they have to abide by the law kind of as if they are a state agency I think. --- My main is currently warned for silly reasons. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sativa_Rerose 08/01/17 8:29:04 PM #14: |
dragnmaninferno posted...
Sativa_Rerose posted...Good, honestly. In 2017, you shouldn't be evaluated based on which box you checked under the race category. That shouldn't even be on the college application. If race is not on the application at all, then the admissions people won't even necessarily know the race of the applicant. The applicant's name could be hidden. Actual interviews for college applications are pretty rare these days. I'd say the best way to deal with that is by ensuring the people making the decisions do not have access to that information. --- My main is currently warned for silly reasons. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Freddie_Mercury 08/01/17 8:30:42 PM #15: |
Antifar posted...
The Justice Department declined to provide more details about its plans or to make the acting head of the civil rights division, John Gore, available for an interview. this vague inflammatory policy will surely be the one to make everyone forget about the Russia investigation --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Chronofan8 08/01/17 8:31:46 PM #16: |
Thank goodness someone is looking out for the poor beleaguered white man
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Hinakuluiau 08/01/17 8:31:58 PM #17: |
So far as I understand it, all research shows that diversity is a good thing for people to experience.
If a university wishes to have a diverse student body because of this, I don't really have a problem with them using some kind of point system where racial identity is included --- There are some things where I just bypass critical thinking. - ROD http://error1355.com/ce/Hinakuluiau.html ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Nomadic View 08/01/17 8:32:21 PM #18: |
I'd be fine if they took name, sex, birth, and race off applications and just let in the most qualified candidates.
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Sephiroth1288 08/01/17 8:33:33 PM #19: |
Nomadic View posted...
I'd be fine if they took name, sex, birth, and race off applications and just let in the most qualified candidates. This. Who could argue against this? Wouldn't this make it so you can only get admitted on merit? --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sad_Face 08/01/17 8:34:40 PM #20: |
I hope this doesn't escalate to the point where school have to take the first X amount of students that meet the on paper criteria and popular engineering schools end up with matriculating classes with 90% male populations, mostly composed of White and Asian ethnicity.
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ChrisHanson24 08/01/17 8:35:12 PM #21: |
fuck yeah it's about damn time!
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Sephiroth1288 08/01/17 8:37:16 PM #23: |
ZCheveyo posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...This. Who could argue against this? Wouldn't this make it so you can only get admitted on merit? Yes It was my topic http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-30/bilnd-recruitment-trial-to-improve-gender-equality-failing-study/8664888 --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Nomadic View 08/01/17 8:37:59 PM #24: |
ZCheveyo posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...This. Who could argue against this? Wouldn't this make it so you can only get admitted on merit? I didn't see the CE topic, but I remember Sargon of Akkad talking about that story. --- {}\\{}(o){}\\//{}//=\\{})){}(< \\//{}{{-{}//\\{} {}xxxxxxxx{};;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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dragnmaninferno 08/01/17 8:38:27 PM #25: |
Sephiroth1288 posted...
Nomadic View posted...I'd be fine if they took name, sex, birth, and race off applications and just let in the most qualified candidates. The problem with this is that there are places in this country where students attend schools with such low academic performance and do not have the best aid given to them that performing well can be a challenge for the students. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Chronofan8 08/01/17 8:39:07 PM #26: |
Hello black people, you should vote for me because what have you got to lose?!
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Damn_Underscore 08/01/17 8:41:25 PM #27: |
Equality is a good thing
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Milkman5 08/01/17 8:44:11 PM #28: |
great news tbh
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Sephiroth1288 08/01/17 8:44:15 PM #29: |
dragnmaninferno posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...Nomadic View posted...I'd be fine if they took name, sex, birth, and race off applications and just let in the most qualified candidates. If someone has low academic performance then why would you want to put them in challenging universities where they're doomed to fail --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sativa_Rerose 08/01/17 8:45:46 PM #30: |
dragnmaninferno posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...Nomadic View posted...I'd be fine if they took name, sex, birth, and race off applications and just let in the most qualified candidates. I agree completely, but the solution to this is a dramatic overhaul of the quality of education in those areas. Right now the approach to solving this via race base affirmative action is literally to assume black or hispanic student = shitty school, white or asian = good school. It's all about the race box that is checked and not about the individual. --- My main is currently warned for silly reasons. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Gojak_v3 08/01/17 8:48:08 PM #31: |
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Sad_Face 08/01/17 8:56:55 PM #33: |
Sephiroth1288 posted...
Nomadic View posted...I'd be fine if they took name, sex, birth, and race off applications and just let in the most qualified candidates. The problem with this is that, for engineering schools, males VASTLY outnumber females in applications. Ethnicity-wise, Asians and whites also outnumber the other ethnicities by a significant margin. If you want a diverse student body, you have to go out of your way to look for those that can fill the niches you're looking for. It's not just looking for students that can survive the classes, you also want students who can contribute to the student life. And you do not want a class comprised of 10% females, 90% males. --- imgtc.com/i/4HgTl0ebzq.jpg imgtc.com/i/60CWP2Gtlg.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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cjsdowg 08/01/17 8:59:11 PM #34: |
White people already have the advantage when getting to college... oh well who would have guessed Trump wanted to hurt black people even more.
I love how most of the people who agree with Trump on stuff like this have shit to say about legacies, or the numerous other advantages white people have. But I take it they will not address those ever . Fuck Trump and the people who he gets to ago with this. --- Bender: Well, everybody, I just saved a turtle. What have you done with your lives? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kirby 08/01/17 9:00:14 PM #35: |
Sad_Face posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...Nomadic View posted...I'd be fine if they took name, sex, birth, and race off applications and just let in the most qualified candidates. Are there affirmative programs then for men in fields such as nursing, teaching, social workers? --- Bender: You know, I was God once. God: Yes, I saw. You were doing well until everyone died. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sephiroth1288 08/01/17 9:00:32 PM #36: |
Sad_Face posted...
The problem with this is that, for engineering schools, males VASTLY outnumber females in applications. Ethnicity-wise, Asians and whites also outnumber the other ethnicities by a significant margin. If you want a diverse student body, you have to go out of your way to look for those that can fill the niches you're looking for. It's not just looking for students that can survive the classes, you also want students who can contribute to the student life. And you do not want a class comprised of 10% females, 90% males. Who cares? Why should a black woman get preferential treatment over an asian man? I would be ok with preferring a low-income person over a high-income person, but why should the asian man be penalized for the way he was born? --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DifferentialEquation 08/01/17 9:03:50 PM #37: |
Sad_Face posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...Nomadic View posted...I'd be fine if they took name, sex, birth, and race off applications and just let in the most qualified candidates. What do you mean by "contribute to the student life"? Why should you prioritize that and achieving a certain demographic over simply picking the most qualified students? --- "If the day does not require an AK, it is good." The Great Warrior Poet, Ice Cube ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sad_Face 08/01/17 9:09:55 PM #38: |
Kirby posted...
Are there affirmative programs then for men in fields such as nursing, teaching, social workers? I recall where I live, there are pushes for more males to go into nursing and teaching. Heck, if you're a male, you're practically guaranteed a job teaching for your gender. There's a severe lack of a respectable male presence in a lot of kids' lives (most kids live in single parent households) and male teachers can fill that niche of being a positive male influence on their lives. It makes a big difference. Sephiroth1288 posted... Who cares? Why should a black woman get preferential treatment over an asian man? Dude, you just brushed off my point and still asked the very question my post addresses. --- imgtc.com/i/4HgTl0ebzq.jpg imgtc.com/i/60CWP2Gtlg.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sad_Face 08/01/17 9:19:21 PM #40: |
DifferentialEquation posted...
What do you mean by "contribute to the student life"? Why should you prioritize that and achieving a certain demographic over simply picking the most qualified students? Because you still have to live and interact with those very students for 4 years. At any engineering school, the application pool is going to have a ratio of 7:1 male to female and the ethnicities I mentioned before dominate these fields. That means they could easily create a class of solely males. This is bad for the student population because those students are going to be disappointed over the gender ratio, and it's bad for the school because it's going to deter potential applicants (both male and female) from applying during the next application cycle. The school is still a business, they have everything to gain from being choosy and risk a lot settling for a homogeneous student body. --- imgtc.com/i/4HgTl0ebzq.jpg imgtc.com/i/60CWP2Gtlg.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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averagejoel 08/01/17 9:22:13 PM #41: |
Sephiroth1288 posted...
Nomadic View posted...I'd be fine if they took name, sex, birth, and race off applications and just let in the most qualified candidates. meritocracy is a myth. everything has a bias. in the US, the whole system is set up in favour of white men. there's no way that won't have an effect. --- peanut butter and dick ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DifferentialEquation 08/01/17 9:26:24 PM #42: |
Sad_Face posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...What do you mean by "contribute to the student life"? Why should you prioritize that and achieving a certain demographic over simply picking the most qualified students? Are there any cases of schools not having enough qualified students apply to their engineering programs due to disappointment with these gender ratios? --- "If the day does not require an AK, it is good." The Great Warrior Poet, Ice Cube ... Copied to Clipboard!
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--kresnik-- 08/01/17 9:27:48 PM #43: |
Good. I'm sick of this anti white bullshit. It's everywhere.
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Capn Circus 08/01/17 9:30:51 PM #44: |
Sad_Face posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...What do you mean by "contribute to the student life"? Why should you prioritize that and achieving a certain demographic over simply picking the most qualified students? There's plenty of other women going to that same college those students can interact with. No student should be declined enrollment to their college and field of choice based off of their gender or race. Furthermore, I find it interesting there's so much push for women education initiatives despite the fact 56% of people enrolled in public universities are female. There have been more females than males going to college since the late 1970s (Forbes). Women, for the most part, aren't very interested in certain fields and men aren't interested in others. There are plenty of qualified women who can get enrolled to the university and field of their choice without someone with a net roping them in while kicking out others. --- "I think that man will be president right about the time when spaceships come down filled with dinosaurs in red capes" - Tom Hanks ... Copied to Clipboard!
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John_Galt 08/01/17 9:31:30 PM #45: |
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Xeno14 08/01/17 9:35:31 PM #46: |
dragnmaninferno posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...Nomadic View posted...I'd be fine if they took name, sex, birth, and race off applications and just let in the most qualified candidates. there is a problem with this. You can be setting up that person to fail. and with college admission so ridiculously priced(and say this person is dorming since they do come from a shitty neighborhood), failure is going to hurt that person significantly down the line. say this person spends 8k a semester, and within 3 they are out. thats 24k in loans for a 19-20 year old. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Capn Circus 08/01/17 9:35:53 PM #47: |
John_Galt posted...
Good I agree. And they say Trump/his Administration conned his voters. --- "I think that man will be president right about the time when spaceships come down filled with dinosaurs in red capes" - Tom Hanks ... Copied to Clipboard!
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EternalDivide 08/01/17 9:36:47 PM #48: |
Good. It's about damn time too.
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NeoShadowhen 08/01/17 9:41:27 PM #49: |
Antifar posted...
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/01/us/politics/trump-affirmative-action-universities.htmlThe Trump administration is preparing to redirect resources of the Justice Department’s civil rights division toward investigating and suing universities over affirmative action admissions policies deemed to discriminate against white applicants, according to a document obtained by The New York Times. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FrisbeeDude 08/01/17 9:45:26 PM #50: |
The modern conservative political strategy is pandering to the imagined fears of white people
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Sad_Face 08/01/17 9:58:40 PM #51: |
Capn Circus posted...
There's plenty of other women going to that same college those students can interact with. No student should be declined enrollment to their college and field of choice based off of their gender or race. At a lot of engineering schools, this is absolutely not true. And realize that it's super competitive nowadays. For some schools, applicants are in 10s of thousands vying to class slots of maybe a 1000 and change. This means there are going to be a considerable number who, on paper, meet the criteria. That's when the application committee has no choice but to be selective about who they send acceptance letters to. And women and men do gravitate to certain fields, but that doesn't mean it's wrong to recruit and garner interest in certain underrepresented demographics to join those fields. --- imgtc.com/i/4HgTl0ebzq.jpg imgtc.com/i/60CWP2Gtlg.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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gamer167 08/01/17 9:59:53 PM #52: |
I don't understand, are people trying to say that if they get rid of affirmative action campuses will have less diversity in them because people of color are not as smart as the white students and thus will not get enrolled?
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