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HappyDog posted...

Medz2017 posted...

pegusus123456 posted...

Medz2017 posted...

Muslim woman loaded down with a huge cart full of soda to sell that she bought with her food stamps. Fuck America

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Eb4OAtWwOc

Dude, that's capitalism. That is America.

Hell, I don't even know why you're mad. She's investing government money, increasing her own capital, and will presumably reinvest that money in the economy. Everyone on food stamps should resell soda.

The tax payers lose money

I never got the argument that tax payers lose money that goes towards programs that help others.
What would you rather the government spend your money on?

Id rather they let me keep the money instead of passing it out to people who have failed at life
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i like to buy steaks with my stamps and then come on here and rub it in republicans faces/
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Food stamps and EBT cards at stores are fine.
But......you should sit down for this............EBT cards can be used at ATMs to get cash......over 80% of EBT transactions are at ATMs.

Which means they could be used for food or booze or drugs, who knows.

Cut that shit and you'd save millions.
And actually help out the people that need it.
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JcOpIVY86 posted...

Food stamps and EBT cards at stores are fine.
But......you should sit down for this............EBT cards can be used at ATMs to get cash......over 80% of EBT transactions are at ATMs.

Which means they could be used for food or booze or drugs, who knows.

Cut that shit and you'd save millions.
And actually help out the people that need it.

idk where you're getting that figure, but the reason so many transactions are at ATMs is because many states, especially larger ones like california, issue cash benefits through EBT cards
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2 reasons.

1. It's theft.
2. A one size fits all monetary "solution" to poverty only provides short term relief. If the government stayed out of it we still wouldn't let people starve.
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JcOpIVY86 posted...

Food stamps and EBT cards at stores are fine.
But......you should sit down for this............EBT cards can be used at ATMs to get cash......over 80% of EBT transactions are at ATMs.

Which means they could be used for food or booze or drugs, who knows.

Cut that shit and you'd save millions.
And actually help out the people that need it.

I get EBT and i can't do this. It is an option, but i believe that a small number of people qualify for this...for whatever reason the cash benefits are used i'm not sure.
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Balrog0 posted...

idk where you're getting that figure, but the reason so many transactions are at ATMs is because many states, especially larger ones like california, issue cash benefits through EBT cards

It would be an even bigger expense to issue a second welfare card.

Ivynn posted...

The Top Crusader posted...

I think the majority of people realize that most people using EBT are using it because they need to and don't take significant issue. That being said there is always the minority that should honestly be irritating to anyone who is paying taxes (or anyone using EBT responsibly). I mean, it does kind of suck that my wife and I had to work full time while paying for college and taking classes and scrimping by on cheap food and no significant luxury, but then a single mom can get a free college ride, free food, free childcare, be able to attend college without having to worry scheduling classes and studying around work, etc.

Welp, time to become poor since poor people are apparently living the high life.

I don't think there is anything wrong with being a little annoyed when you have to work really hard and someone else gets rewarded for bad decision making.
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frogman_295 posted...

It is an option, but i believe that a small number of people qualify for this...for whatever reason the cash benefits are used i'm not sure.

I think it is largely used for people on TANF
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Medz2017 posted...

Muslim woman loaded down with a huge cart full of soda to sell that she bought with her food stamps. Fuck America

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Eb4OAtWwOc

This reminds me of a guy in a small neighboring area whom would buy a shit ton of 12 packs of various sodas. Immediately after he would be around the back of this tiny general store dumping out every single can so he could receive the deposits back and then buy beer.
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Balrog0 posted...

frogman_295 posted...

It is an option, but i believe that a small number of people qualify for this...for whatever reason the cash benefits are used i'm not sure.

I think it is largely used for people on TANF

Yup, TANF is the cash program for families who have an eligible child on the case. The program is called MFIP here in Minnesota. There is also General Assistance, which is a small cash supplement for single adults who can't work but don't qualify for social security. There are a couple of other cash programs here in MN, but other states may be different.
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HappyDog posted...

Medz2017 posted...

pegusus123456 posted...

Medz2017 posted...

Muslim woman loaded down with a huge cart full of soda to sell that she bought with her food stamps. Fuck America

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Eb4OAtWwOc

Dude, that's capitalism. That is America.

Hell, I don't even know why you're mad. She's investing government money, increasing her own capital, and will presumably reinvest that money in the economy. Everyone on food stamps should resell soda.

The tax payers lose money

I never got the argument that tax payers lose money that goes towards programs that help others.
What would you rather the government spend your money on?

subsidizing ceo bonuses
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My monthly income was $1236/month
My living expenses (not including food) was $1263/month
-includes rent, water, gas (heat and stove), electric, car payment, car insurance (does not include a cable bill, which was quickly dropped as a luxury I couldn't afford, including internet)

My job pays significantly more than minimum wage, and I worked 60+ hours per week with Overtime and Holiday pay. According to social services I was making too much money for food stamps, when I literally had no money for food.

Living in a country were the job market is a bust, minimum wage doesn't come anywhere near the constantly inflating cost of living, there's no proper healthcare, no pensions, no paid time off. A country where we spend more money taking care of prisoners including murderers, rapists, and child molesters then we do our veterans or our poor, and you assholes want to take issue with a program that can only be used to purchase food.

You realize that if you push the lower class so far that they have nothing to lose, they're going to push back. Like I said, the prisoners have it better then the poor, so better to kill some privileged dick and serve life in prison with a roof over your head, a place to sleep, and three square meals a day then starve on the streets. And the person they decide to put down to provide for themselves just might be your dumb ass.
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somethingtofear posted...

Medz2017 posted...

Muslim woman loaded down with a huge cart full of soda to sell that she bought with her food stamps. Fuck America

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Eb4OAtWwOc

This reminds me of a guy in a small neighboring area whom would buy a shit ton of 12 packs of various sodas. Immediately after he would be around the back of this tiny general store dumping out every single can so he could receive the deposits back and then buy beer.

Which is why, if we insist on having these programs, they really should be replaced with a monthly or annual cash payment, no strings.
"Here's some cash. When it's gone it's gone."

Herugrim posted...

My monthly income was $1236/month
My living expenses (not including food) was $1263/month
-includes rent, water, gas (heat and stove), electric, car payment, car insurance (does not include a cable bill, which was quickly dropped as a luxury I couldn't afford, including internet)

My job pays significantly more than minimum wage, and I worked 60+ hours per week with Overtime and Holiday pay. According to social services I was making too much money for food stamps, when I literally had no money for food.

Living in a country were the job market is a bust, minimum wage doesn't come anywhere near the constantly inflating cost of living, there's no proper healthcare, no pensions, no paid time off. A country where we spend more money taking care of prisoners including murderers, rapists, and child molesters then we do our veterans or our poor, and you assholes want to take issue with a program that can only be used to purchase food.

You realize that if you push the lower class so far that they have nothing to lose, they're going to push back. Like I said, the prisoners have it better then the poor, so better to kill some privileged dick and serve life in prison with a roof over your head, a place to sleep, and three square meals a day then starve on the streets. And the person they decide to put down to provide for themselves just might be your dumb ass.

Wow, threatening murder, ok. So you are clearly not a mentally stable individual. You're language is so class warfare.

Where do you live, that you work that much and make jack shit? Did you try getting a roommate or visiting a food pantry? Did you make smart moves and save up to improve your situation? Or do you just wana cry about it, wahhhhh, gimme food stamps, wahhhhhh, feed me I can't take care of myself WAHHHHH

Keith_Valentine posted...

Wow, threatening murder, ok. So you are clearly not a mentally stable individual. You're language is so class warfare.

There's a very good point there, though. The money spent warehousing a pot or crack smoker in prison for fifty years, so a politician can appear tough on crime, could be spent on poorhouses instead.

My only problem with them is when people buy food with them and then use cash to buy cigarettes, alcohol or lottery tickets

I worked at a gas station for a summer and that happened so many times
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I work full time but because my wife has a severe enough disability and we have a kid I get food stamps. Doesn't mean I'm a lazy fuck nor am I cheating the system.
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DarthAragorn posted...

My only problem with them is when people buy food with them and then use cash to buy cigarettes, alcohol or lottery tickets

Because, that's just how it is, due to the social engineering aspects of these programs.

If I gave you $5s and told you that you could only buy, I dunno, Mr. T cereal with it, any cash you had already is cash you're not having to spend on Mr. T cereal.
It would be no different if we shipped a box of Mr. T cereal to your house every month, instead of just giving you cash with strings.

pinky0926 posted...

harrods

Just went to their website. Most of their stock is ugly af.
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ledbowman posted...

It's the law that EBT will only pay for Honey Nut Scooters, Fruity Dino-Bytes, and Colossal Crunch.

I'm dying!
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If people use them to buy legitimate food then I don't care
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I am fine with Food Stamps as an idea. The current implementation is garbage. Let me break down the primary issues I have with it:

1. The usage of Food Stamps for things that are not food. This includes candy, soda, sugary pastries and ice cream. These are all nutritionally void, and shouldn't be even classed as food, period.

2. The continuance of benefits beyond the point where people are qualified for having them. Food Stamps accounts should be reviewed every four to six months to determine if the person is still qualified to receive them. If they are seen to not be straight qualified, then a hearing could be set where the person can make a case for why they need them still. The additional manpower for this should be offset far more by the savings the program attains through trimming the abusers out.

If just those two things are done, the program would work so much better for the purposes it is supposed to.
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Americans are brainwashed into hating poor people
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Sylph posted...

I am fine with Food Stamps as an idea. The current implementation is garbage. Let me break down the primary issues I have with it:

1. The usage of Food Stamps for things that are not food. This includes candy, soda, sugary pastries and ice cream. These are all nutritionally void, and shouldn't be even classed as food, period.

2. The continuance of benefits beyond the point where people are qualified for having them. Food Stamps accounts should be reviewed every four to six months to determine if the person is still qualified to receive them. If they are seen to not be straight qualified, then a hearing could be set where the person can make a case for why they need them still. The additional manpower for this should be offset far more by the savings the program attains through trimming the abusers out.

If just those two things are done, the program would work so much better for the purposes it is supposed to.

SNAP recipients need to complete 6 month reviews and annual recertifications to determine their eligibility and benefit amount. Nobody gets benefits indefinitely.
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Sylph posted...

2. The continuance of benefits beyond the point where people are qualified for having them. Food Stamps accounts should be reviewed every four to six months to determine if the person is still qualified to receive them. If they are seen to not be straight qualified, then a hearing could be set where the person can make a case for why they need them still. The additional manpower for this should be offset far more by the savings the program attains through trimming the abusers out.

Monthly renewal process would handle this just as well.

Instead of "Instead of asking what your government can do for you, ask what you can do for your government" it's became the opposite of that
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Why do people act like everyone on some type of benefits made bad decisions?

I'm currently disabled and get about 600 dollars a month, an make another 300-400 maximum selling art.

I've had three pituitary tumors and receive Medicare and Medicaid to pay for 95+ percent of my health issues. I'm go to college to get an actual sustainable job I can do so I won't have to be on social security forever.

I don't smoke, and rarely drink. I might spend up to 20-30 bucks a month on scratch offs, getting back half to double that or more usually.

Where was my wrong decision? Before my first tumor I had plans to join the Marines. I'm not exactly happy with this.
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I don't think any sane person opposes food stamps.

They want to go back to the good old days when poor people just starved to death!
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MC_BatCommander posted...

They want to go back to the good old days when poor people just starved to death!

Who, exactly?

There's people that abuse it, and they need to have their cards taken away.

I also cringe when I see kids with their mothers EBT card buying stupid shit like Cheetos, candy, and Redbulls. Like those people need to be smacked in the head, and their card revoked.

However buying fresh produce and meat is fine by me.
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Questionmarktarius posted...

Sylph posted...

2. The continuance of benefits beyond the point where people are qualified for having them. Food Stamps accounts should be reviewed every four to six months to determine if the person is still qualified to receive them. If they are seen to not be straight qualified, then a hearing could be set where the person can make a case for why they need them still. The additional manpower for this should be offset far more by the savings the program attains through trimming the abusers out.

Monthly renewal process would handle this just as well.

Monthly renewals aren't realistic. It would be too much paperwork, the state would have to hire many more workers to handle it all.
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pinky0926 posted...

This is an attitude that extends everywhere I find.

For example, I went into harrods and was looking around at handbags for my girlfriend (awful store by the way, don't shop there). The shit was expensive as hell.

And the fucking looks I got from the staff there. Like I wasn't worthy of the stuff they were pushing.

Bitch, you work in retail. I doubt you're on slightly more than minimum wage even if this is ultra luxury. Don't give me that better-than-you smug asshole face.

That's when you bust out the credit card and buy that shit right there

And then go return it when someone else is working >_>
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Really only get annoyed if they offer to buy you groceries with their Welfare benefits so you'll give them cash [pressumably so they can buy drugs/alcohol or just waste the money on party outings] because that's welfare fraud. Look, it's okay to need help from the government/other people but don't take that help and use it to feed your addictions- it's a disservice to the people who are working hard to help you and your family.

hyperpowder posted...

There's people that abuse it, and they need to have their cards taken away.

I also cringe when I see kids with their mothers EBT card buying stupid shit like Cheetos, candy, and Redbulls. Like those people need to be smacked in the head, and their card revoked.

However buying fresh produce and meat is fine by me.

?? They're using it to buy snacks for their CHILDREN- excluding the Redbull that's pretty normal, children shouldn't be deprived of snacks just because they're on welfare that's stupid.
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The issue is the amount of crap people buy with food stamps. The counter is that regular people buy just as much crap:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/food-stamps-soda-purchases_us_587e757be4b0cf0ae88068fe

So there's 2 unrelated issues at play:
--Food stamp recipients are spending roughly (using HuffPo numbers) 15-20% on candy, junk food, and soda
--Regular americans spend almost as much of their food budget on junk food but probably don't realize it.

https://wendicthomas.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/20140709-001955-1195215.jpg

So your person sees a SNAP participant blow 20% of their budget on crap, and they take offense because they don't realize they spend just as much on crap, so they see it as wasteful spending.

There's also the perception that social welfare is meant to provide temporary means to ease life's burdens so a person can climb out of the hole they're in. A shopping cart full of soda brings forth the image of someone not even trying, especially if they're also buying cigarettes or beer with their own cash. I think the vast, vast majority of people support the idea of helping someone get back on their feet. It's the perception of people kicking back and riding the wave of free stuff that causes issues.
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Questionmarktarius posted...

DarthAragorn posted...

My only problem with them is when people buy food with them and then use cash to buy cigarettes, alcohol or lottery tickets

Because, that's just how it is, due to the social engineering aspects of these programs.

If I gave you $5s and told you that you could only buy, I dunno, Mr. T cereal with it, any cash you had already is cash you're not having to spend on Mr. T cereal.
It would be no different if we shipped a box of Mr. T cereal to your house every month, instead of just giving you cash with strings.

Mr. T cereal sounds awesome
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Herugrim posted...

My monthly income was $1236/month
My living expenses (not including food) was $1263/month
-includes rent, water, gas (heat and stove), electric, car payment, car insurance (does not include a cable bill, which was quickly dropped as a luxury I couldn't afford, including internet)

My job pays significantly more than minimum wage, and I worked 60+ hours per week with Overtime and Holiday pay. According to social services I was making too much money for food stamps, when I literally had no money for food.

Living in a country were the job market is a bust, minimum wage doesn't come anywhere near the constantly inflating cost of living, there's no proper healthcare, no pensions, no paid time off. A country where we spend more money taking care of prisoners including murderers, rapists, and child molesters then we do our veterans or our poor, and you assholes want to take issue with a program that can only be used to purchase food.

You realize that if you push the lower class so far that they have nothing to lose, they're going to push back. Like I said, the prisoners have it better then the poor, so better to kill some privileged dick and serve life in prison with a roof over your head, a place to sleep, and three square meals a day then starve on the streets. And the person they decide to put down to provide for themselves just might be your dumb ass.

I feel the same way as you do about the general situation in the country, there is too much of a disconnect within society because nobody wants to admit the complexity of it.
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omarssikins posted...

?? They're using it to buy snacks for their CHILDREN- excluding the Redbull that's pretty normal, children shouldn't be deprived of snacks just because they're on welfare that's stupid.

Uh no

There's plenty of healthy snack alternatives to feed a child.

Also a kid doesn't need "snacks" in the first place if they're eating right.

That post is beyond asinine and you should be ashamed of posting it.
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hyperpowder posted...

omarssikins posted...

?? They're using it to buy snacks for their CHILDREN- excluding the Redbull that's pretty normal, children shouldn't be deprived of snacks just because they're on welfare that's stupid.

Uh no

There's plenty of healthy snack alternatives to feed a child.

Also a kid doesn't need "snacks" in the first place if they're eating righy.

That post is beyond asinine and you should be ashamed of posting it.

@hyperpowder

Uh no

You... don't understand kids very well do you? or people in general it seems.

The only thing that's asinine here is you thinking the average child will want healthy snacks 100% of the time and that being fed right means they will never wants snacks, they're called snacks for a reason you moron.
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I pay more in taxes than some of you neckbeards make in a year and yet it literally doesn't bother me one iota if a parent uses food stamp money to buy some snacks or soda or steak. Everyone needs to live rather than just survive.

Simple. I shouldn't have to pay for someone else's food.

omarssikins posted...

hyperpowder posted...

omarssikins posted...

?? They're using it to buy snacks for their CHILDREN- excluding the Redbull that's pretty normal, children shouldn't be deprived of snacks just because they're on welfare that's stupid.

Uh no

There's plenty of healthy snack alternatives to feed a child.

Also a kid doesn't need "snacks" in the first place if they're eating righy.

That post is beyond asinine and you should be ashamed of posting it.

@hyperpowder

Uh no

You... don't understand kids very well do you...?

The only thing that's asinine here is you thinking the average child will want healthy snacks 100% of the time and that being fed right means they will never wants snacks, they're called snacks for a reason you moron.

You're the moron suggesting kids need processed food. Or the fact that only processed foods can be allowed as a snack.

I'm sorry you rather buy your kid a bag of Cheetos instead of being an actual parent and prepare your kids food/snacks.
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Transcendentia posted...

I pay more in taxes than some of you neckbeards make in a year and yet it literally doesn't bother me one iota if a parent uses food stamp money to buy some snacks or soda or steak. Everyone needs to live rather than just survive.

Yeah the food stamp rules are bullshit.
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xMythic posted...

Monthly renewals aren't realistic. It would be too much paperwork, the state would have to hire many more workers to handle it all.

The unemployed have to renew weekly.

s0nicfan posted...

There's also the perception that social welfare is meant to provide temporary means to ease life's burdens so a person can climb out of the hole they're in. A shopping cart full of soda brings forth the image of someone not even trying, especially if they're also buying cigarettes or beer with their own cash. I think the vast, vast majority of people support the idea of helping someone get back on their feet. It's the perception of people kicking back and riding the wave of free stuff that causes issues.

A safety net is not supposed to be a hammock.

Questionmarktarius posted...

The unemployed have to renew weekly.

For what? SNAP? I don't think that's true.
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Balrog0 posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

The unemployed have to renew weekly.

For what? SNAP? I don't think that's true.

For unemployment.

Transcendentia posted...

I pay more in taxes than some of you neckbeards make in a year and yet it literally doesn't bother me one iota if a parent uses food stamp money to buy some snacks or soda or steak. Everyone needs to live rather than just survive.

Basically this. Im a court employee [legal counsel for the Public Defender] I pay like 3-4k in taxes at the end of the year and that's not counting what they take from my paycheck each pay cycle.

Everyone craves junk food, people have children that like junk food and the average person consumes at least $10-20 of junk food per week. It's not unreasonable to see people buying chips or candy for their children with welfare, because they're goddamn fucking children that like junk food they're not goddamn vegans or on a diet- they're children.

hyperpowder posted...

You're the moron suggesting kids need processed food. Or the fact that only processed foods can be allowed as a snack.

I'm sorry you rather buy your kid a bag of Cheetos instead of being an actual parent and prepare your kids food/snacks.

@hyperpowder

I never said they needed it, I said it's not unreasonable for them to buy it for their children. My argument isn't even that at all, what the hell are you even on about? My argument was that it's not unreasonable for them to buy them that stuff because children will ask for that kind of stuff because they're children.
Therefore, they tend to like junk food and you can't reasonably expect children to want to eat healthy snacks 100% like they're some sort of health nut unless you're one of those uptight parents that control their kids eating habits in a draconian manner and never let them enjoy what they consume.

I don't have children, I have a lot of siblings some of whom I had to care for from time to time. You don't give them an entire bag of cheetos, that's unhealthy you give them some cheetos and you keep the portions low, I think you imagine them eating the bag of chips as if they're dinner or something.
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Questionmarktarius posted...

A safety net is not supposed to be a hammock.

You can't throw out the net because some people use it as a hammock.
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Questionmarktarius posted...

Balrog0 posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

The unemployed have to renew weekly.

For what? SNAP? I don't think that's true.

For unemployment.

For SNAP, as I've said in a previous post, you have to complete a 6 month renewal (which could adjust your benefits if there are any changes to your living situation or household) and you must complete an annual recertification after your year is up. Renewing weekly for SNAP is insane. Even for cash assistance that's nuts.
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