Current Events > 47% of Liberal Democrats say Trump support would strain a friendship

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cerealbox760 posted...

And there's a big difference between actual conservatives and Trump supporters. Any conservative worth his salt knows Trump is a fraud because Trump barely stands for conservative values.

This is very true too. It relates to my earlier comment that being pro/anti Trump isn't a liberal/conservative issue, it's a smart/stupid issue. Conservatives who think Trump is on their "side" are complete fools, and deserve to be laughed at.
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@thanosibe

Step up on your main if you want to play, son.
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Kazi1212 posted...

Trump himself has denounced those people who are prone to violence. Anyone who encourages violence against others are the product of beliefs that goes deeper than just political beliefs. Political support in the context of our conversation has more to do with policy like health care or tax reform. But those who advocate for violence goes much deeper than the political, it has more to do with their personal philosophy regarding respecting the dignity of others, at least imo it does. But liberals generally conflate trump supporters who advocate violence as if it's a political belief even though Trump himself has denounced such people

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8_niqRrrtg
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Mal_Fet posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

Mal all up in that Trump booty. Imagine if he was actually a Trump supporter? The world would explode.

Me: "Guys, Trump is demonstratively not Hitler"

hockeybub: "WHAT'S HIS DICK TASTE LIKE, TRUMPANZEE"

You're like a child on a playground who lashes out at anyone who suggests you're wrong.

Oh man. Trump isn't Hitler. What an accomplishment.

I didn't even notice that someone had compared him to Hitler.

Again, you are awfully defensive for not being a Trumpeteer. Why are you so ashamed to admit the truth?

Don't you need to call me a homophobe or something?
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hockeybub89 posted...

Oh man. Trump isn't Hitler. What an accomplishment.

He's also better than Obama so far, policy wise. Only difference is he says dumb shit.
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cjsdowg posted...

Kazi1212 posted...

Trump himself has denounced those people who are prone to violence. Anyone who encourages violence against others are the product of beliefs that goes deeper than just political beliefs. Political support in the context of our conversation has more to do with policy like health care or tax reform. But those who advocate for violence goes much deeper than the political, it has more to do with their personal philosophy regarding respecting the dignity of others, at least imo it does. But liberals generally conflate trump supporters who advocate violence as if it's a political belief even though Trump himself has denounced such people

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8_niqRrrtg

I forgot nerds on the internet dont understand the nuances of language. You know people say things to make a point without meaning the actual literal meaning of the words used right? For instance, I told my cousin once that I hope he drops dead. Did I mean it literally? Of course not, I said it to make the point of how much he hurt me. If you ask Trump about violence in a more serious setting(as opposed to the political theater in the video) where we expect his words to be taken literally, do you think he would really say he advocates violence against others? Really? But again, I don't expect nerds on the internet to understand such nuances of language because they probably don't have any real life conversations.

Pro tip: my last sentence also isn't meant to be taken literally
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Kazi1212 posted...

Pro tip: my last sentence also isn't meant to be taken literally

LOL I love this excuse any time Trump says something horrible.. which is a lot of times. Oh he really didn't mean that. He tells people he would pay their legal bills, longs for the days were you put someone on stretcher for protesting. At one point he said someone should have gotten beaten up. But oh he really didn't mean any of it.
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So you think in a serious setting, such as an one on one interview where's he's asked if he advocates such forms of of violence, he would say yes? I seriously doubt it. In fact there are instances of more formal settings where journalists asked straight up if he supports those Neo-Nazis who advocates violence, he promptly denounced them. Some people are very eccentric with their speech in informal settings, but like I said, I don't expect internet nerds to understand that.

But even if we were to take your position that he infact did mean what he said, do you also think he meant what he said when he denounced the Neo-nazis as well? It's either one or the other right? How do you know which claim he meant seriously?
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cjsdowg posted...

LOL I love this excuse any time Trump says something horrible.. which is a lot of times.

I don't have a problem with him saying that about people who start fights and swing at security.
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I think it's more not being friends with the obnoxious people that turn out to be trump supporters, because I know some people who side with trump and they're pleasant.
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LightningAce11 posted...

I think it's more not being friends with the obnoxious people that turn out to be trump supporters, because I know some people who side with trump and they're pleasant.

If they're insufferably obnoxious why be friends with them? Who they vote for seems irrelevant at that point
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Agreed, but when people go around yelling MAGA cuck liberals and stuff it's not hard to take their voting choice into account.
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surprised at the hispanic vote. makes no sense whatsoever.
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Kazi1212 posted...

Trump himself has denounced those people who are prone to violence. Anyone who encourages violence against others are the product of beliefs that goes deeper than just political beliefs. Political support in the context of our conversation has more to do with policy like health care or tax reform. But those who advocate for violence goes much deeper than the political, it has more to do with their personal philosophy regarding respecting the dignity of others, at least imo it does. But liberals generally conflate trump supporters who advocate violence as if it's a political belief even though Trump himself has denounced such people

@Kazi1212 Yeah. He's "denounced" such people. With a wink and a nod, and occasionally, an offer to pay their legal fees.

Kazi1212 posted...

I forgot nerds on the internet dont understand the nuances of language.

1. Not a great way to flex how non-toxic President Trump's supporters are, calling people who disagree with you names. You can be civil.

2. If "nerds on the Internet" don't understand the nuances of language, odds are a million to one there are dozens and dozens of people in the audience who don't understand those nuances either. That's what makes the presidency a sensitive office. If you're to be the president of all Americans, you have to think and exercise some measure of restraint before you open your mouth.

Tolerant. Liberal.
It's one or the other.
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Arcanine2009 posted...

surprised at the hispanic vote. makes no sense whatsoever.

Perhaps hispanics aren't as whiny and pretentious as white liberals.
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Imagine picking your friends based on their political opinions. Lol
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Mal_Fet posted...

TheBiggerWiggle posted...
Several failed immigration bans
Actually the ban was successful in the end, sooo

the Paris agreement
Not giving the worst polluters in the world money based on no guarantee that they would improve.

draining the swamp of politicians and filling it with corporate america

I hate to break it to you, but Trump is not special in that respect. Remember, you're trying to explain why Trump is bad in a way Bush, McCain, and Romney weren't.

this whole abortion of a health care plan republicans had 7 years to prepare for
So your complaint is that he is not repealing and replacing Obamacare fast enough. Ok..? He shoulda just rammed whatever policy they drafted up on the spot through without fully knowing what was in it like Obama did to the ACA?

Mal_Fet posted...

cutting the parks budget and then asking for a pat on the back after making a donation to them

So you despise anyone who favors less government spending. K then.

failed promises left and right concerning the wall, coal miners, etc

You should probably wait more than 6 months before declaring that not yet delivering on one of the biggest government projects in recent memory was a broken promise. Made all the travel ban haters look foolish when a month later it was given the go-ahead.

wasting tax payer money because his wife did not want to live with him

If the expense of presidential accommodations is a problem for you then why complain about not spending more on parks and rec? Isn't the latter WAY more expensive?

tons of other shit i'm too lazy to type out

Given how weak your other reasons were, I bet you can't actually think of any more.

Unless you really would break a friendship over shit like not wanting to give China a hundred million dollars every year for a decade, in which case it says way more about you than it does your friend.

Excuse the shitty editing, but your posts maxed out the quote blocks. I will take the time to respond now.

Travel Ban: Calling the ban :"successful" or "final" is laughable. At best it's a 90 day hold on travel, and even this week courts are still debating on what 'close family' of a refugee is defined as. This thing will be challenged up until the point it expires and becomes another failed footnote in history.

Paris Agreement: Your post is simply wrong. Do some research on the Paris agreement. Also, newsflash, WE are some of the worst polluters in the world.

The Swamp: I never said it was new, I just said Trump was the worst about it. We have a climate change denier protecting the environment. We have someone leading our schools that never spent time in a public school. We have a retired neurosurgeon leading urban development, and he likely got the job because Trump's simple mind thinks black = urban. Bush, McCain, and Romney are irrelevant to this bullet point, especially because two of the three never put together a cabinet.

Healthcare: I never even said I was pro or anti Obamacare. I want whats best for the majority of America. I have no love for Obamacare. It has plenty of flaws, but what Republicans presented to us was so bad it was inexcusable.

The Wall: You're just making contrarian excuses for the man. We're no closer to a wall now than we were his first day in office. We have no budget. No plan. No design. No timeline. You would think at this point he could show at least one dick hair's worth of progress on the wall, but nope. Another broken promise.

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His wife and the parks: I support funding for the parks. It benefits thousands of people everyday. Spending thousands of dollars everyday because Trump's wife hates him is not a good use of taxpayer money.

Other reasons: Funny thing is you say this, but Trump has been such a shotgun blast of chaos and failure that it's hard to remember everything. Let's not forget Syria. He bombs them with no long term plan whatsoever. I doubt the jackass even had a short term plan. Then there is Net Neutrality. Yeah, Trump is against that too. Let's also not forget about all the manufacturing jobs he lied about from Pence's home state. He lost all those jobs to Mexico.

I think the beauty of all your quotes is that I concluded by asking what has Trump done that's positive, yet that went ignored.
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TheBiggerWiggle posted...

Travel Ban: Calling the ban :"successful" or "final" is laughable. At best it's a 90 day hold on travel,

Which is all it was ever supposed to be from the very beginning, mind you.

This thing will be challenged up until the point it expires and becomes another failed footnote in history.

How often it gets challenged will change nothing. The travel ban is in effect and the courts move much too slow to end it before the three months are up.

Paris Agreement: Your post is simply wrong. Do some research on the Paris agreement.

Have YOU researched the Paris climate agreement? We were supposed to pay countries like China and India $3 billion based on the promise (with no guarantee) that they would reduce emissions. Any deal where you rely on China's government to make good on a promise is not a good plan, which is why the Paris plan sucks and it's a shame we already spent $1 billion on it.

The Swamp: I never said it was new, I just said Trump was the worst about it.

He was most certainly not the worst about it. Bush did the same damn thing. And for what it's worth Hillary had more Washington insiders on her team than Trump did before the election. Imagine how awful her cabinet would look if she were actually elected?

Healthcare: I never even said I was pro or anti Obamacare. I want whats best for the majority of America. I have no love for Obamacare. It has plenty of flaws, but what Republicans presented to us was so bad it was inexcusable.

So it's a good thing they aren't passing it, yeah? It's a good thing there are some Republicans in congress who don't want to rush through a shit healthcare bill, unlike the Democrats some years ago, yeah?

The Wall: You're just making contrarian excuses for the man. We're no closer to a wall now than we were his first day in office. We have no budget. No plan. No design. No timeline. You would think at this point he could show at least one dick hair's worth of progress on the wall, but nope. Another broken promise.

All the people who said the travel ban would never happen look awfully foolish now. Don;t make the same mistake by assuming that just because something didn't happen within 6 months that it won't happen within 4/8 years.

His wife and the parks: I support funding for the parks. It benefits thousands of people everyday. Spending thousands of dollars everyday because Trump's wife hates him is not a good use of taxpayer money.

She's staying in NYC because Barron is going to school there and will move after he's done, IIRC.

And still, it's hilarious how you quibble over the amount it costs for security at Trump Tower while saying we should be sending 50000x the amount to China because they super duper promise to reduce emissions if we do. As for parks and rec, that's better left to states anyway.

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Other reasons: Funny thing is you say this, but Trump has been such a shotgun blast of chaos and failure that it's hard to remember everything. Let's not forget Syria. He bombs them with no long term plan whatsoever.

He bombed an airbase where a chemical attack against civilians was carried out. What sort of plan should be made after doing that? Ordering hot dogs to roast over the charred remains? Because that's all the base and the people who did it deserve.

Then there is Net Neutrality.

This is literally the only thing I agree with you on.

Let's also not forget about all the manufacturing jobs he lied about from Pence's home state. He lost all those jobs to Mexico.

If you're referring to the Carrier deal, he did save ~1,000 jobs from going to Mexico that would have otherwise gone.

http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-manufacturing-job-deals-misleading-2016-11

I think the beauty of all your quotes is that I concluded by asking what has Trump done that's positive, yet that went ignored.

After disproving all your gripes I must've forgot, but ok

Ended TPP
Ended Paris Climate deal (which is a good thing ;P)
Illegal Immigration down 73%
The 2 for 1 regulation reduction
Decreased debt by $103 billion so far
Stocks continue climbing to record highs
Unraveled most all of Obama's executive orders

But who cares about tangible improvements to the country lol Trump said mean things so he's literally Hitler!!
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Mal_Fet posted...

Perhaps hispanics aren't as whiny and pretentious as white liberals.

What's your excuse then, being that you're one of the biggest crybabies on this site?
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Capn Circus posted...

yusiko posted...

Doom_Art posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

That's probably because it's a real, observable thing.

Nah much like "throwing gay people off buildings" and "chuck her into a van" it's a tested slogan the alt-right likes to toss out because it makes them seem like they're making a cohesive and powerful point when in reality they're just regurgitating something without thinking.

of course when the alt right bring up throwing gay people off of buildings its not because they are concerned
they are just jealous they arent allowed to do that in america

That's not true. There are gay/bi, even trans (see Caitlyn Jenner) Trump supporters. Millions even, when you consider the number of that demographic in America and take into account those who may have supported Trump.

Same with Hispanics. Despite Trump being supposedly "very very very racist and awful to Hispanics"---Trump had a larger Hispanic vote than Romney.

A few million black citizens voted for Trump, too. There's enough black Trump supporters to populate the entire city of Houston, which is the 4th largest city in America. And that's not even including all of the mixed raced individuals who voted for him.

Jenner stopped supporting trump
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Mal_Fet posted...

TheBiggerWiggle posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

TheBiggerWiggle posted...

See, I was just sticking with policies. I agree with everything you've said though. My post is why people hate Trump as a president. Your post is why they hate him as a person. That's why I say being pro/anti Trump goes beyond politics. If someone still supports Trump and all the nasty shit he's said they're legitimately a bad person.

Hillary once called black people "superpredators". Not like "Trump at one point expressed that torture is effective but doesn't support torture as a policy so I'll just continue saying he supports torture", she really, factually said that.

So you think all people who support Hillary are racist then, yes?

This is some straw man shit right here.

If Trump supporters are in support of literally everything Trump says, why aren't Hillary's supporters in support of literally everything Hillary has said?

I mean... Maybe they are? I don't know anyone who has actually championed her, wanted her to run for president, wanted other democrats to get out of her way, rooted for her against Bernie AND voted for her (I only know people who, like me, voted for her because trump was more undesirable as a candidate), so I can't say that her true supporters, the ones that parallel the alt-right trumpists, DON'T mindless support everything she says. In fact I would pretty much expect them to.
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Kazi1212 posted...

cjsdowg posted...

Kazi1212 posted...

It didn't take long for someone to compare a Trump supporter to a Nazi, congrats

I highlighted Neo-Nazis not Nazis. Next has Trump literally used Neo-Nazi lies to attack Black people, and Literally we have large groups of Neo-Nazis that support Trump, and have large rallies for him.

Trump himself has denounced those people who are prone to violence. Anyone who encourages violence against others are the product of beliefs that goes deeper than just political beliefs. Political support in the context of our conversation has more to do with policy like health care or tax reform. But those who advocate for violence goes much deeper than the political, it has more to do with their personal philosophy regarding respecting the dignity of others, at least imo it does. But liberals generally conflate trump supporters who advocate violence as if it's a political belief even though Trump himself has denounced such people

Why didn't he denounce David dukes?
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What about non-liberal democrats and liberals who aren't democrats?
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Mal_Fet posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

Oh man. Trump isn't Hitler. What an accomplishment.

He's also better than Obama so far, policy wise. Only difference is he says dumb shit.

Dumb, polarizing shit that radicalizes both sides. If he didn't do this, do you think this very topic would have cause to exist?
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The tolerant left
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Mal_Fet posted...

LightningAce11 posted...

I think it's more not being friends with the obnoxious people that turn out to be trump supporters, because I know some people who side with trump and they're pleasant.

If they're insufferably obnoxious why be friends with them? Who they vote for seems irrelevant at that point

Well that's the point. The friendship straining is more "they are insufferably obnoxious in their support for trump" than "they simply support trump"
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Howl posted...

Imagine picking your friends based on their political opinions. Lol

Imagine being friends with someone and seeing a side to them you don't like, and it happens to have been brought out as a result of politics.
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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

Howl posted...

Imagine picking your friends based on their political opinions. Lol

Imagine being friends with someone and seeing a side to them you don't like, and it happens to have been brought out as a result of politics.

I wouldn't care who my friends voted for that's not a side that would be relevant at all to a friendship.
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Mal_Fet posted...

Only 13% of Republicans say Hillary support would strain a friendship



http://www.people-press.org/2017/07/20/since-trumps-election-increased-attention-to-politics-especially-among-women/

And apparently, white liberals are way more petty than minority liberals. So much for the tolerant left

Why aren't you investigating about your socalled leader Gary Johnson
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Kim Kusanagi posted...

Why aren't you investigating about your socalled leader Gary Johnson

Most polls either lump all 3rd parties together or act like they didn't exist. It's pretty hard to find any data about Johnson's voter demographics.

Bet if Clinton won the polls would be completely mirrored. The Trumpanzees are content because their guy won and "take that lobruls"
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ZMythos posted...

Bet if Clinton won the polls would be completely mirrored. The Trumpanzees are content because their guy won and "take that lobruls"

I doubt it cause Clinton didn't run a fear based campaign

A large portion of his campaign was built around campaigns that would negatively effect minorities.

And people are supposed to like at that and be like it's just politics.

That isn't taxes or health care that's people's lives and identities
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The Great Muta 22 posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

Perhaps hispanics aren't as whiny and pretentious as white liberals.

What's your excuse then, being that you're one of the biggest crybabies on this site?

I don't disparage people on this site because they're Democrats, I disparage people because they're assholes ;)

ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

Why didn't he denounce David dukes?

He did

ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

Oh man. Trump isn't Hitler. What an accomplishment.

He's also better than Obama so far, policy wise. Only difference is he says dumb shit.

Dumb, polarizing shit that radicalizes both sides. If he didn't do this, do you think this very topic would have cause to exist?

Under Obama, race relations devolved to 90's LA riots-levels. And you're trying to defend Obama by saying Trump was decisive?

lol

ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

Well that's the point. The friendship straining is more "they are insufferably obnoxious in their support for trump" than "they simply support trump"

The poll didn't ask if being obnoxious would strain your friendship. They asked if simply supporting Trump would.
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gamepimp12 posted...

I doubt it cause Clinton didn't run a fear based campaign

Lol yes she did. She ran on "vote for me or else Trump and his basket of deplorable will make racist laws and repeal the Civil Rights Act, and blah blah blah"
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Vertania posted...

Kim Kusanagi posted...

Why aren't you investigating about your socalled leader Gary Johnson

Most polls either lump all 3rd parties together or act like they didn't exist. It's pretty hard to find any data about Johnson's voter demographics.

Incorrect answer.

The answer is because @Mal_Fet is a hardcore alt rift trumpanzee who actually knows nothing about libertarians and is a poor tasteless joke.
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bump
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Mal_Fet posted...

gamepimp12 posted...

I doubt it cause Clinton didn't run a fear based campaign

Lol yes she did. She ran on "vote for me or else Trump and his basket of deplorable will make racist laws and repeal the Civil Rights Act, and blah blah blah"

@gamepimp12
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Mal_Fet posted...

gamepimp12 posted...

I doubt it cause Clinton didn't run a fear based campaign

Lol yes she did. She ran on "vote for me or else Trump and his basket of deplorable will make racist laws and repeal the Civil Rights Act, and blah blah blah"

Lemme rephrase cause in that sense you're right

Clinton didn't run a campaign based on the fear of a protected class of people.


Her campaign was look wha trump's and his extremist are, I'm not trump.


She didn't run a white people are evil and dangerous campaign
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gamepimp12 posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

gamepimp12 posted...

I doubt it cause Clinton didn't run a fear based campaign

Lol yes she did. She ran on "vote for me or else Trump and his basket of deplorable will make racist laws and repeal the Civil Rights Act, and blah blah blah"

She didn't run a white people are evil and dangerous campaign

The Democratic platform has been 'fuck white people!' for awhile now.
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gamepimp12 posted...

Clinton didn't run a campaign based on the fear of a protected class of people.

Muslim extremists? Illegal immigrants?

Why is it better to run on a platform where white working class men are the enemy but not people who are breaking the law and threatening the country's safety?

gamepimp12 posted...

Her campaign was look wha trump's and his extremist are, I'm not trump.

Right, and she built a strawman that Trump was a bigoted literal rapist. That's what a campaign of fear is.
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Mal_Fet posted...

gamepimp12 posted...

Clinton didn't run a campaign based on the fear of a protected class of people.

Muslim extremists? Illegal immigrants?

Why is it better to run on a platform where white working class men are the enemy but not people who are breaking the law and threatening the country's safety?

gamepimp12 posted...

Her campaign was look wha trump's and his extremist are, I'm not trump.

Right, and she built a strawman that Trump was a bigoted literal rapist. That's what a campaign of fear is.

Come on Im being genuine here you can at least do the same

Trump's border/immigration policy was only directed at border crossing (from one border) despite visa issues are just as common of an illegal immigration Avenue

And white working class weren't her enemy, maybe working class in what's considered fly over states that are trying to hold onto relics like manufacturing jobs in coal mining and various ideologies
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JohnLennon6 posted...

gamepimp12 posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

gamepimp12 posted...

I doubt it cause Clinton didn't run a fear based campaign

Lol yes she did. She ran on "vote for me or else Trump and his basket of deplorable will make racist laws and repeal the Civil Rights Act, and blah blah blah"

She didn't run a white people are evil and dangerous campaign

The Democratic platform has been 'fuck white people!' for awhile now.

I saw it more as it's time for white people to take only their fair share.
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gamepimp12 posted...

JohnLennon6 posted...

gamepimp12 posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

gamepimp12 posted...

I doubt it cause Clinton didn't run a fear based campaign

Lol yes she did. She ran on "vote for me or else Trump and his basket of deplorable will make racist laws and repeal the Civil Rights Act, and blah blah blah"

She didn't run a white people are evil and dangerous campaign

The Democratic platform has been 'fuck white people!' for awhile now.

I saw it more as it's time for white people to take only their fair share.

Yeah ok racist.
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gamepimp12 posted...

JohnLennon6 posted...

gamepimp12 posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

gamepimp12 posted...

I doubt it cause Clinton didn't run a fear based campaign

Lol yes she did. She ran on "vote for me or else Trump and his basket of deplorable will make racist laws and repeal the Civil Rights Act, and blah blah blah"

She didn't run a white people are evil and dangerous campaign

The Democratic platform has been 'fuck white people!' for awhile now.

I saw it more as it's time for white people to take only their fair share.

You mean what they've been doing for the last several decades?

That's still not enough for many Democrats.
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JohnLennon6 posted...

gamepimp12 posted...

JohnLennon6 posted...

gamepimp12 posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

gamepimp12 posted...

I doubt it cause Clinton didn't run a fear based campaign

Lol yes she did. She ran on "vote for me or else Trump and his basket of deplorable will make racist laws and repeal the Civil Rights Act, and blah blah blah"

She didn't run a white people are evil and dangerous campaign

The Democratic platform has been 'fuck white people!' for awhile now.

I saw it more as it's time for white people to take only their fair share.

You mean what they've been doing for the last several decades?

That's still not enough for many Democrats.

Being equal and having a fair Share aren't the same thing

And we're only 50 years out from Jim Crow laws that kinda Inequality doesnt disappear in one persons life time.
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Howl posted...

ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

Howl posted...

Imagine picking your friends based on their political opinions. Lol

Imagine being friends with someone and seeing a side to them you don't like, and it happens to have been brought out as a result of politics.

I wouldn't care who my friends voted for that's not a side that would be relevant at all to a friendship.

If my friends were acting like c***s all of a sudden and being shitheads, I would no longer want to associate with them. It could be because of an election. It could be because of anything. The trump supporters I know personally have not been this way, so nothing has changed for me. I can see plenty of friendships disintegrating throughout the country if trump supporters and sjws alike act anything in real life as they do on the internet
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