Current Events > 47% of Liberal Democrats say Trump support would strain a friendship

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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

If my friends were acting like c***s all of a sudden and being shitheads, I would no longer want to associate with them.

I've noticed this is far more the case with people suffering from post-election PTSD who now do nothing but spam anti-Trump garbage on social media. I suppose I agree with you that that would be a justifiable reason to cut off a friend, but I find most people limit that stupidity to the Internet and can just be unfollowed.
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Mal_Fet posted...

ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
Under Obama, race relations devolved to 90's LA riots-levels. And you're trying to defend Obama by saying Trump was decisive?

lol

ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

Well that's the point. The friendship straining is more "they are insufferably obnoxious in their support for trump" than "they simply support trump"

The poll didn't ask if being obnoxious would strain your friendship. They asked if simply supporting Trump would.

I didn't say anything about Obama let alone defend him. Where did you get that idea? From the other person higher up in the block quotes? That has nothing to with me or what I said. What role did Obama play anyway? The race relations problem looks more like the result of the police incidents and subsequent blm movement. I didn't pay enough attention to know whether or not Obama enabled that to some extent, but are you insinuating that he outright caused it?

*divisive

Next part is laughable. "Interpretation does not exist. Poll to be taken literally and read word for word. You aren't allowed to consider anything beyond just who the person voted for. You aren't allowed to think of personal examples. You must treat this as a hypothetical. The hypothetical friend has not changed in any way shape or form. They just simply voted for the candidate they voted for, and that simple fact is the only fact you are allowed to consider. Abuse of this poll will result in a fine of up to $6900 and loss of polling privileges for life and may result in up to 1 year imprisonment." -Mal_Fet, Commissioner, Poll Police.

(Hopefully this looks okay in format. Had to edit stuff out and that's difficult on phone with so many fucking html things)
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Being either an idiot or morally bankrupt certainly puts a strain on a friendship...
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The Deadpool posted...

Being either an idiot or morally bankrupt certainly puts a strain on a friendship...

And you claim you a rent a liberal troll.
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If my Trump supporting friend was like you then I'd say the friendship would definitely be brought into question

Haldol posted...

If my Trump supporting friend was like you then I'd say the friendship would definitely be brought into question

If your friend was like who?
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JohnLennon6 posted...

Haldol posted...

If my Trump supporting friend was like you then I'd say the friendship would definitely be brought into question

If your friend was like who?

Like Mal fet

Lol liberals

Haldol posted...

JohnLennon6 posted...

Haldol posted...

If my Trump supporting friend was like you then I'd say the friendship would definitely be brought into question

If your friend was like who?

Like Mal fet

And why is that?
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Capn Circus posted...

The Dakota access pipeline has been given the green light, buy American and hire American initiatives are being implemented. Actual pro-American policies are being put into place versus just being talked about year after year.

Is that why steel for the pipeline is coming from foreign countries? Ivanka's clothing line being made overseas? Trump hiring immigrants to work at his golf club?

Yes, so pro America this president is.
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loafy013 posted...

Capn Circus posted...

The Dakota access pipeline has been given the green light, buy American and hire American initiatives are being implemented. Actual pro-American policies are being put into place versus just being talked about year after year.

Is that why steel for the pipeline is coming from foreign countries? Ivanka's clothing line being made overseas? Trump hiring immigrants to work at his golf club?

Yes, so pro America this president is.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/03/27/keystone-will-purchase-200-miles-of-us-steel-for-revived-pipeline/
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JohnLennon6 posted...

loafy013 posted...

Capn Circus posted...

The Dakota access pipeline has been given the green light, buy American and hire American initiatives are being implemented. Actual pro-American policies are being put into place versus just being talked about year after year.

Is that why steel for the pipeline is coming from foreign countries? Ivanka's clothing line being made overseas? Trump hiring immigrants to work at his golf club?

Yes, so pro America this president is.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/03/27/keystone-will-purchase-200-miles-of-us-steel-for-revived-pipeline/

The administration exempted Keystone from pledges requiring companies to do their level-best to use American steel to build pipelines.

“Well the way that executive order is written … it’s specific to new pipelines or those that are being repaired,” White House spokeswoman Sarah Sanders told reporters. “And since this one is already currently under construction, the steel is already literally sitting there, it would be hard to go back.”

You should read what you link.
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The Deadpool posted...

Being either an idiot or morally bankrupt certainly puts a strain on a friendship...

Says the person that's exactly that.
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thanosibe posted...

The Deadpool posted...

Being either an idiot or morally bankrupt certainly puts a strain on a friendship...

Says the person that's exactly that.

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I remember in third grade having a conversation with my friends about how unimaginative and idiotic of a response "Nuh huh, you are" is.

The argument presented is that it's not just boring, it's also pointless. It's not even insulting! It's just laughable... It takes a special level of idiocy coupled with lack of self awareness to say it. Even more so in a scenario when you have the time to stop and think about it.

Man, haven't thought about that in years...
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The Deadpool posted...

I remember in third grade having a conversation with my friends about how unimaginative and idiotic of a response "Nuh huh, you are" is.

Assuming that anyone who voted for Trump is not a decent person puts you on about the same level mentally as a grade schooler, so it's an entirely appropriate response.
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What's the point in even responding to Deadpool?

He talks a good game but posts nothing of substance.
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JohnLennon6 posted...

He talks a good game but posts nothing of substance.

Pot meet kettle.
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loafy013 posted...

JohnLennon6 posted...

He talks a good game but posts nothing of substance.

Pot meet kettle.

Have you seen Deadpool post?
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Mal_Fet posted...

Assuming that anyone who voted for Trump is not a decent person

I didn't.

I also accepted the idea they were too stupid to know the difference.
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Mal_Fet posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

Oh man. Trump isn't Hitler. What an accomplishment.

He's also better than Obama so far, policy wise. Only difference is he says dumb shit.

Says the totally not a trumpanzee
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The Deadpool posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

Assuming that anyone who voted for Trump is not a decent person

I didn't.

I also accepted the idea they were too stupid to know the difference.

Not really helping the comments about your grade school mentality.
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The Admiral posted...

The Deadpool posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

Assuming that anyone who voted for Trump is not a decent person

I didn't.

I also accepted the idea they were too stupid to know the difference.

Not really helping the comments about your grade school mentality.

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Well, most Trump supporters are obnoxious and insufferable. :U
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OpheliaAdenade posted...

Well, most Trump supporters are obnoxious and insufferable. :U

They can't be as bad as the supporters of whoever you support.
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The Admiral posted...

Not really helping the comments about your grade school mentality.

Explain.
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The Deadpool posted...

The Admiral posted...

Not really helping the comments about your grade school mentality.

Explain.

No point. A child can't really comprehend how childish they are.
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The Deadpool posted...

The Admiral posted...

Not really helping the comments about your grade school mentality.

Explain.

If you're not trolling and genuinely can't think of any reasons why someone when vote for Trump aside from:

1) they're not a decent person
2) they're stupid

then you indeed have a child's understanding of the world and aren't capable of discussing topics like this intelligently. It's the symptom of a child's mind to attempt to oversimplify complex issues to make them easier to comprehend.
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The Deadpool posted...

The Admiral posted...

Not really helping the comments about your grade school mentality.

Explain.

When you were talking about that third grade conversation you had, was it last year?

The Admiral posted...

It's the symptom of a child's mind to attempt to oversimplify complex issues to make them easier to comprehend.

Sorry, I forget I have to spell things out slowly with this crowd.

Here's a Socratic experiment to illustrate the question.

Let's take Trump out of the equation. Let's say we have a person in a high ranking political position that is clearly and obviously harmful to people.

Would it be fair to say that anyone supporting said person is either too stupid to see the clear and obvious signs or too morally bankrupt to care about the harm he'd do?

If yes, then your argument is lost. Just because you support Trump specifically doesn't prove he is not clearly and obviously harmful.

If not (which I assumed is your answer), then explain (the question I originally asked).

Explain why supporting someone who is clearly and obviously harmful to people isn't stupid or morally bankrupt. Do it without arguing about Trump specifically.
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I, too, would not be bothered in any way if I supported a candidate that won and a friend of mine voted for the opposing candidate who lost.
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The Deadpool posted...

Let's take Trump out of the equation.

Let's not, since he's who we're talking about. The fact that you immediately switch to some black-and-white strawman to try to defend your position only further makes the argument for me.
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The Admiral posted...

The Deadpool posted...

Let's take Trump out of the equation.

Let's not, since he's who we're talking about. The fact that you immediately switch to some black-and-white strawman to try to defend your position only further makes the argument for me.

I'm guessing Socrates is too complicated?

Thanks for helping prove my case.
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The Deadpool posted...

The Admiral posted...

The Deadpool posted...

Let's take Trump out of the equation.

Let's not, since he's who we're talking about. The fact that you immediately switch to some black-and-white strawman to try to defend your position only further makes the argument for me.

I'm guessing Socrates is too complicated?

Thanks for helping prove my case.

No, Socrates is well understood. What seems to be too complicated for you is actually defending your position directly. You were accused of child-like simplification, and you responded with a child-like strawman president to make your point.
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The Admiral posted...

and you responded with a child-like strawman president

I don't think you understand what a strawman or a thought experiment is.

We weren't talking about the President. We were talking about his supporters.
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The Deadpool posted...

The Admiral posted...

and you responded with a child-like strawman president

I don't think you understand what a strawman or a thought experiment is.

We weren't talking about the President. We were talking about his supporters.

How are we not talking about the president when your criticism of his supporters is based on his "political position that is clearly and obviously harmful to people." That's talking about the president (or, rather, your childlike oversimplification of him).

You've successfully talked yourself into a corner here.
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Is this topic still going on. Look, Trump supporters arent good people. Look at their beloved orange savior today, salivating on Twitter for the AG to imprison his political opponent from the general election over "crimes" that never happened and came out of the tinfoil hat conspiracy machine, like murdering Seth Rich. Is that what America is, a place where we make up conspiracy bullshit about our opponents and use it as an excuse to jail them?

Fuck Trump, I have no respect or friendship for anyone who supports him. He has no love for our country or rule of law and neither do his redhat drones, they are only behind him because he allows them to unleash their primal id at all the innocent people they blame for their lives being shitty, like so many people on CE do.
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Malcolm_Caradoc posted...

Is this topic still going on. Look, Trump supporters arent good people. Look at their beloved orange savior today, salivating on Twitter for the AG to imprison his political opponent from the general election over "crimes" that never happened and came out of the tinfoil hat conspiracy machine, like murdering Seth Rich. Is that what America is, a place where we make up conspiracy bullshit about our opponents and use it as an excuse to jail them?

Fuck Trump, I have no respect or friendship for anyone who supports him. He has no love for our country or rule of law and neither do his redhat drones, they are only behind him because he allows them to unleash their primal id at all the innocent people they blame for their lives being shitty, like so many people on CE do.

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The Deadpool posted...

The Admiral posted...

and you responded with a child-like strawman president

I don't think you understand what a strawman or a thought experiment is.

We weren't talking about the President. We were talking about his supporters.

if you want to say that Trump supporters are supporting someone who is obviously harmful, you should be able to prove that Trump is obviously harmful. Inventing a new guy who automatically has all the same support that Trump has now but is fiat "obviously harmful" is a strawman.

But here is the problem.

You can't prove this to Trump supporters because they cannot see the evidence that he is obviously harmful.
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admittedly i didn't read topic so take my comments with a huge grain of salt

the way i look at it, trump supporters are in two larger groups: 1) those that are generally white nationalists who I wouldn't want to be friends with 2) those who make the argument that they voted for Trump because other issues were more important to them than the social issues

I don't have much to say for 1, but for 2 it is really hard to sit with people who hear how much pain various minority groups are in and can seemingly overlook this and just say other things were more important to their vote. It's hard not to see that, for me anyhow, as incredibly dismissive
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ITT: Sweeping generalizations.
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Also Addy it's no surprise you've taken up this topic, because you're the opposite of a good person yourself. Makes me wince to imagine all the contortions you must go through to defend Trump, deep down you know he's total shit for America and for conservatism, but part of him makes you feel envious, doesnt it? All these years you've had to hold your fucking tongue irl, filled with frothing rage at liberals, at all those minorities on welfare and the Muslims you blame for not snapping their fingers and de-radicalizing the jihadists, boy you've WISHED you could speak out against them all! But you've never fucking done it in irl because you're too fucking scared, so you shitpost anonymously on this horrid firum instead. it makes you feel like you have a legitimate outlet for all your pissant grievances, lets you feel like a man.

Must feel GOOD to see Trump up there saying all those awful things you were always too cautious to say, taking a big shit all over Obama and liberals, and getting away with it, huh? Dont know how you hold it in, I think I would rip my shirt off paint myself orange and run naked down the street of I were you, but then again I have morals.
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The Admiral posted...

How are we not talking about the president when your criticism of his supporters is based on his "political position that is clearly and obviously harmful to people." That's talking about the president (or, rather, your childlike oversimplification of him).

Like I said, don't understand the Socratic method.

The conversation is about the supporters. The thought experiment is used to illustrate a concept. Once a concept is understood and accepted, then it can be applied to reality.

That's why you start with the theoretical. Then move into the practical.
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ChromaticAngel posted...

You can't prove this to Trump supporters because they cannot see the evidence that he is obviously harmful.

Right. Because neither stupidity nor moral bankruptcy is something one can self diagnose.

That's why this isn't an argument, it's a lesson...
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Malcolm_Caradoc posted...

Also Addy it's no surprise you've taken up this topic, because you're the opposite of a good person yourself. Makes me wince to imagine all the contortions you must go through to defend Trump, deep down you know he's total shit for America and for conservatism, but part of him makes you feel envious, doesnt it? All these years you've had to hold your fucking tongue irl, filled with frothing rage at liberals, at all those minorities on welfare and the Muslims you blame for not snapping their fingers and de-radicalizing the jihadists, boy you've WISHED you could speak out against them all! But you've never fucking done it in irl because you're too fucking scared, so you shitpost anonymously on this horrid firum instead. it makes you feel like you have a legitimate outlet for all your pissant grievances, lets you feel like a man.

Must feel GOOD to see Trump up there saying all those awful things you were always too cautious to say, taking a big shit all over Obama and liberals, and getting away with it, huh? Dont know how you hold it in, I think I would rip my shirt off paint myself orange and run naked down the street of I were you, but then again I have morals.

Whose alt account are you?
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The Admiral posted...

The Deadpool posted...

Let's take Trump out of the equation.

Let's not, since he's who we're talking about. The fact that you immediately switch to some black-and-white strawman to try to defend your position only further makes the argument for me.

I've never seen anyone spit in the face of logic and insight more blatantly than this in my life. You should be ashamed of yourself.
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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

The Admiral posted...

The Deadpool posted...

Let's take Trump out of the equation.

Let's not, since he's who we're talking about. The fact that you immediately switch to some black-and-white strawman to try to defend your position only further makes the argument for me.

I've never seen anyone spit in the face of logic and insight more blatantly than this in my life. You should be ashamed of yourself.

There was nothing logical about his argument, so this is a meaningless post.
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Dont ask for logic from Addy youll never squeeze blood from a stone.
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I don't like Trump, but this Malcolm guy is easily worse.
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The Admiral posted...

ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

The Admiral posted...

The Deadpool posted...

Let's take Trump out of the equation.

Let's not, since he's who we're talking about. The fact that you immediately switch to some black-and-white strawman to try to defend your position only further makes the argument for me.

I've never seen anyone spit in the face of logic and insight more blatantly than this in my life. You should be ashamed of yourself.

There was nothing logical about his argument, so this is a meaningless post.

Your complete lack of insight provides all the meaning necessary.
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