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TroutPaste
07/18/17 7:34:31 PM
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Do you think so?


topic/poll.
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hockeybub89
07/18/17 7:35:15 PM
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TroutPaste
07/18/17 7:35:38 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
What else would they be?


Not sure. I think they are.
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Glass_Phantom
07/18/17 7:36:19 PM
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Absolutely, and the sooner we treat transsexuals with kindness and grant them equal protection of law, the better
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hollow_shrine
07/18/17 7:42:14 PM
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More than legal protection, we've got some deep personal phobias we need to work through to not only delegitimize trans panic defense narratives, but unpack and unravel trans panic itself, because that shit is literally killing people.
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Kid_Buu
07/18/17 7:43:04 PM
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What does trans panic mean
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DocileOrangeCup
07/18/17 7:44:38 PM
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Sayoria
07/18/17 7:46:34 PM
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Of course they are. Transsexuals are human. Despite the South thinking otherwise.
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hollow_shrine
07/18/17 7:53:14 PM
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Kid_Buu posted...
What does trans panic mean

It's a derivation of the "homosexual panic" legal defense that was used to acquit the murderer of Harvey Milk. Basically temporary insanity due to intense fear of homosexuality/transsexuality. It's bonkers.

Worse still its actually had a fair amount of success in courtrooms, which is beyond bullshit.
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Kaname_Madoka
07/18/17 7:54:58 PM
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hollow_shrine posted...
Kid_Buu posted...
What does trans panic mean

It's a derivation of the "homosexual panic" legal defense that was used to acquit the murderer of Harvey Milk. Basically temporary insanity due to intense fear of homosexuality/transsexuality. It's bonkers.

Worse still its actually had a fair amount of success in courtrooms, which is beyond bullshit.

wtf
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WizardPowers
07/18/17 7:56:47 PM
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going into a bathroom of the opposite sex when you clearly still look like your birth sex and still have those genitals are not "human rights"
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Dash_Harber
07/18/17 7:58:13 PM
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WizardPowers posted...
going into a bathroom of the opposite sex when you clearly still look like your birth sex and still have those genitals are not "human rights"


It took 11 posts, people. 11 posts for someone to shit all over the topic.
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DocileOrangeCup
07/18/17 7:59:43 PM
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WizardPowers posted...
going into a bathroom of the opposite sex when you clearly still look like your birth sex and still have those genitals are not "human rights"

yeah i think tc is talking about actual problems though like not being treated like animals or some shit idk
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SageHarpuia
07/18/17 8:00:20 PM
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Yes, It's so embarrassing when people make me go into the Men's restroom because they don't have one reserved for Apache Helicopters like me.
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Capn Circus
07/18/17 8:00:26 PM
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It would depend on the definition of human rights, I suppose. Some people don't want discrimination, etc. while others want healthcare/employees/etc to be forced to pay for hormone therapy and gender reassignment surgery. Some people argue that's necessary, others argue differently.
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CanuckCowboy
07/18/17 8:00:28 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
What else would they be?


This.
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Romes187
07/18/17 8:03:22 PM
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Glass_Phantom posted...
Absolutely, and the sooner we treat transsexuals with kindness and grant them equal protection of law, the better


Kindness sure, we should treat everyone with kindness.

What protections do we still need to grant them to be equal?
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marc55
07/18/17 8:22:21 PM
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Romes187 posted...
Glass_Phantom posted...
Absolutely, and the sooner we treat transsexuals with kindness and grant them equal protection of law, the better


Kindness sure, we should treat everyone with kindness.

What protections do we still need to grant them to be equal?

wouldve been nice to find that on the OP
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TroutPaste
07/19/17 1:14:28 PM
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bump
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The Admiral
07/19/17 1:18:35 PM
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Depends on if "rights" is being used to mean actual rights or as a weasel word.

If these "rights" include things like special pronouns and the expectation that straight people should want to be with you sexually, then the answer is no. If these rights include a biological man who makes no effort or passing thinking she should be allowed to use women's bathrooms and locker rooms, then the answer is also no.
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TroutPaste
07/19/17 1:31:11 PM
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The Admiral posted...
weasel word.


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Kaname_Madoka
07/19/17 1:33:18 PM
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what
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BillyKidd
07/19/17 1:35:05 PM
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what rights do they not have?
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Sylph
07/19/17 1:56:48 PM
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The right to not be fired simply because the employer doesn't like their situation. It is legal to fire a trans person for being trans in over 30 states right now. This same goes for evictions as well.

Although it would definitely be super nice if we couldn't be just killed with no repercussions beyond general manslaughter in most of the states as well. It is a hate crime to kill someone based on a specific credential, and it simply is not legally treated as such in most of the world actually, let alone most of the US.
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kayoticdreamz
07/19/17 2:14:12 PM
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WizardPowers posted...
going into a bathroom of the opposite sex when you clearly still look like your birth sex and still have those genitals are not "human rights"
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Kaname_Madoka
07/19/17 2:16:12 PM
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Sylph posted...
The right to not be fired simply because the employer doesn't like their situation. It is legal to fire a trans person for being trans in over 30 states right now. This same goes for evictions as well.

Although it would definitely be super nice if we couldn't be just killed with no repercussions beyond general manslaughter in most of the states as well. It is a hate crime to kill someone based on a specific credential, and it simply is not legally treated as such in most of the world actually, let alone most of the US.

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Zeeak4444
07/19/17 2:33:37 PM
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Sylph posted...
The right to not be fired simply because the employer doesn't like their situation. It is legal to fire a trans person for being trans in over 30 states right now. This same goes for evictions as well.

Although it would definitely be super nice if we couldn't be just killed with no repercussions beyond general manslaughter in most of the states as well. It is a hate crime to kill someone based on a specific credential, and it simply is not legally treated as such in most of the world actually, let alone most of the US.


You can be fired for literally anything in most states.

I've been fired for refusing to do something that was objectively illegal in my state. Three seperate lawyers stated even with emails as eveidence I didn't have a case.
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