Current Events > If you knew your child would be born transgender, but there was a pre-natal cure

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Let's say at some point in the not-so-distant future, scientists find the definitive cause for transgenderism. Along with this, they discover a treatment that, if applied during fetal development, will cure the condition such that the baby will be born with a biological sex and gender that match each other. There are no other known negative side effects, and the child wouldn't grow up having any idea they would have been transgender.

What would you do in this scenario? Would opt for the treatment, or would you let your child be born naturally transgender and not interfere?

BTW, looking for an actual discussion here, so keep the usual trolling and garbage comments out of the topic please.
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cure?

and no, i wouldnt
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I'd give them the cure so that they'd have an easier life
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would do it for a child that would be gay too.
Too much discrimination

Oh shit. I definitely wanna tag this one.
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Imagine curing racism before dey are born doe
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ssj3vegeta posted...

Imagine curing racism before dey are born doe

:AISmug:
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of course, it'd be child abuse not to

Saying no would be too anti vaxxer
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did you just watch steins;gate lol

Yeah, no one WANTS to have gender dysphoria. Pretty much all of my trans friends have told me that they wish they had been born as their preferred sex. I wouldn't be able to tell my child that I had the chance to do that for them, but refused.
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Why would anyone want to handicap their child if they could prevent it?
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Kaname_Madoka posted...

cure?

and no, i wouldnt

His topic premise is that, if the doctors could tell that a male fetus had a female mind, they could administer whatever to make the male fetus develop into a female baby, thus lining up the mind and body or whatever.

You would rather the child be born male and go through the cluster fuck of hormones, hormone blockers and crude current surgical solutions instead of just being born the gender they were mentally? Thats kinda messed lol
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Yeah, gotta get rid of that when you can.
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I choose Cure faster than you can say cis-heteropatriarchy
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GAMER_X posted...

Kaname_Madoka posted...

cure?

and no, i wouldnt

His topic premise is that, if the doctors could tell that a male fetus had a female mind, they could administer whatever to make the male fetus develop into a female baby, thus lining up the mind and body or whatever.

You would rather the child be born male and go through the cluster fuck of hormones, hormone blockers and crude current surgical solutions instead of just being born the gender they were mentally? Thats kinda messed lol

well it depends. if the body is getting changed, yes. if the brain is getting changed, no.
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X777WgpUYZ5Hv23 posted...

Too much discrimination

Right... Even though the entirety of popular culture revolves around being accepting of them, there's too much discrimination against them.
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Yes.

Gender dysphoria is a serious mental illness that could lead to any number of other problems, from depression and anxiety up to, and including, suicidal inclinations they may or may not end up acting on. If I could spare my child all of that and allow them to lead a life that isn't plagued with such horrid problems, I'd be a monster not to do it.
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No, I don't think I would.

I would only consider a designer baby if I knew they were going to be born with some seriously debilitating condition. Even so, there is an ethical can of worms here I don't think humanity should open
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Kaname_Madoka posted...

GAMER_X posted...

Kaname_Madoka posted...

cure?

and no, i wouldnt

His topic premise is that, if the doctors could tell that a male fetus had a female mind, they could administer whatever to make the male fetus develop into a female baby, thus lining up the mind and body or whatever.

You would rather the child be born male and go through the cluster fuck of hormones, hormone blockers and crude current surgical solutions instead of just being born the gender they were mentally? Thats kinda messed lol

well it depends. if the body is getting changed, yes. if the brain is getting changed, no.

What does it matter? Are you also against the use of all medication to treat depression, bi polar, etc?
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Howl posted...

X777WgpUYZ5Hv23 posted...

Too much discrimination

Right... Even though the entirety of popular culture revolves around being accepting of them, there's too much discrimination against them.

If that's the case then why is everyone choosing yes in this poll?
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hockeybub89 posted...

No, I don't think I would.

lmfao how did i know what your answer would be

it's almost as if every time you post you adopt the most far left position you can pull out of your ass

Assuming it actually works? Sure.

LinksLiege posted...

Yes.

Gender dysphoria is a serious mental illness that could lead to any number of other problems, from depression and anxiety up to, and including, suicidal inclinations they may or may not end up acting on. If I could spare my child all of that and allow them to lead a life that isn't plagued with such horrid problems, I'd be a monster not to do it.

If we had the technology to read fetal minds, then a lot less trans people would probably be dysphoric since they could be supported from day 1, not to mention society is continually growing accepting of people.
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Absolutely. I have no problem with transgender people, but I bet they would have rather been born as the sex that they feel they are, then have to go through the stigma and surgery process to become said sex.

If there was a pill that could magically make the mind and body in tandem while in the womb, then yes.
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Howl posted...

X777WgpUYZ5Hv23 posted...

Too much discrimination

Right... Even though the entirety of popular culture revolves around being accepting of them, there's too much discrimination against them.

Ignorance

Transcendentia posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

No, I don't think I would.

lmfao how did i know what your answer would be

it's almost as if every time you post you adopt the most far left position you can pull out of your ass

Who's alt is this?
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I support transgenders, but even then, I'm aware of the emotional and physical struggles that they go through to feel normal, I would support my kid if he/she ever goes through such a thing, but if I could cure it pre-birth, I would do it.

I don't know if that makes me selfish or not.
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gatorsPENSbucs posted...

Oh shit. I definitely wanna tag this one.

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is nobody gonna point out the term "transgenderism" though, like its some kinda disease

only the cis deal in absolutes smh
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Without a moment's hesitation.
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In the scenario, if I understand this correctly, that if my child knows they are a male or female on the inside and are born the opposite way on the outside and live a miserable life until they can either afford some kind of operation to change, or live life not as they are supposed to be, of course i'd reverse it so they can live a long, happy life as the gender they feel they are.
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I don't know why some of you are even having any misgivings about curing it in the first place. Many of you would at the same time support women's right to terminate all the transgender fetuses they can get their hands on.

There's no great moral compromise in curing transgenderism in the womb, when you don't care if those humans are born at all.
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Callixtus posted...

I don't know why some of you are even having any misgivings about curing it in the first place. Many of you would at the same time support women's right to terminate all the transgender fetuses they can get their hands on.

There's no great moral compromise in curing transgenderism in the womb, when you don't care if those humans are born at all.

they're just virtue signaling to show how far left they are. if they can consider something extreme a virtue rather than a vice, they will try their damndest to do so. it's similar to how SJWs try to win the oppression olympics by building up totem poles of who is the most oppressed in society. except in this case, they're trying to win the virtue olympics by trying to show how accepting they are.

GOATSLAYER posted...

Howl posted...

X777WgpUYZ5Hv23 posted...

Too much discrimination

Right... Even though the entirety of popular culture revolves around being accepting of them, there's too much discrimination against them.

If that's the case then why is everyone choosing yes in this poll?

Transgenders aren't the same as gay people.
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Callixtus posted...

I don't know why some of you are even having any misgivings about curing it in the first place. Many of you would at the same time support women's right to terminate all the transgender fetuses they can get their hands on.

There's no great moral compromise in curing transgenderism in the womb, when you don't care if those humans are born at all.

What the fuck are you on about
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Callixtus posted...

I don't know why some of you are even having any misgivings about curing it in the first place. Many of you would at the same time support women's right to terminate all the transgender fetuses they can get their hands on.

There's no great moral compromise in curing transgenderism in the womb, when you don't care if those humans are born at all.

I assume people that treat their fetuses plan on giving birth to them. Pro-choice doesn't mean "kill all the babies". That is a really strange interpretation that continues to persist.
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Kitepitou posted...

Callixtus posted...

I don't know why some of you are even having any misgivings about curing it in the first place. Many of you would at the same time support women's right to terminate all the transgender fetuses they can get their hands on.

There's no great moral compromise in curing transgenderism in the womb, when you don't care if those humans are born at all.

What the fuck are you on about

He's drunk
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I'm for transgender rights and I'd go with this treatment too. As someone above said, life tends to be pretty miserable for them for quite a while.
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Transcendentia posted...

Callixtus posted...

I don't know why some of you are even having any misgivings about curing it in the first place. Many of you would at the same time support women's right to terminate all the transgender fetuses they can get their hands on.

There's no great moral compromise in curing transgenderism in the womb, when you don't care if those humans are born at all.

they're just virtue signaling to show how far left they are. if they can consider something extreme a virtue rather than a vice, they will try their damndest to do so. it's similar to how SJWs try to win the oppression olympics by building up totem poles of who is the most oppressed in society. except in this case, they're trying to win the virtue olympics by trying to show how accepting they are.

Or I just think this sounds like the moral minefield known as eugenics. I reject many of the so-called SJW tenets. I'm never going to be one no matter how hard people try to make it so.
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hockeybub89 posted...

Transcendentia posted...

Callixtus posted...

I don't know why some of you are even having any misgivings about curing it in the first place. Many of you would at the same time support women's right to terminate all the transgender fetuses they can get their hands on.

There's no great moral compromise in curing transgenderism in the womb, when you don't care if those humans are born at all.

they're just virtue signaling to show how far left they are. if they can consider something extreme a virtue rather than a vice, they will try their damndest to do so. it's similar to how SJWs try to win the oppression olympics by building up totem poles of who is the most oppressed in society. except in this case, they're trying to win the virtue olympics by trying to show how accepting they are.

Or I just think this sounds like the moral minefield known as eugenics. I reject many of the so-called SJW tenets. I'm never going to be one no matter how hard people try to make it so.

so if you know your kid is going to have a disease or an illness or a disorder you'd rather just let them be born with it?

Kitepitou posted...

Callixtus posted...

I don't know why some of you are even having any misgivings about curing it in the first place. Many of you would at the same time support women's right to terminate all the transgender fetuses they can get their hands on.

There's no great moral compromise in curing transgenderism in the womb, when you don't care if those humans are born at all.

What the fuck are you on about

If someone really cares about the life of a fetus, it's wholeness and futures outcomes, then they would be more tepid in their support for abortions.

If you support an unrestricted right for abortion, you are necessarily valuing the autonomy of the women over the rights of fetuses, which have no value whatsoever, because everyone agrees that they can be discarded for any reason, including inconvenience, or no reason at all. If fetuses have no value in themselves, then what difference does it make whether you alter them into anything you want?
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Does it match the body to the brain or the brain to the body? I refuse to alter personality. As a person who fears things like that, I would never force it upon a child if it would make their brain match their body.

Yes, there is a difference.
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I can't imagine any trans people who'd be against this. Transgenderism is a mental illness. You're talking about being able to cure it right out of the gate. It's lunacy to be against such an idea.
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Monday posted...

I can't imagine any trans people who'd be against this. Transgenderism is a mental illness. You're talking about being able to cure it right out of the gate. It's lunacy to be against such an idea.

Gender dysphoria is a mental illness. Being trans is not.
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It's actually a very good argument against my whole system.

I believe in LGBT, etc.

I believe that genetic engineering is the future. Not making your child one way or the other, curing genetic diseases like CF or Huntington's.

Does that freedom to alter your child's genome extend to something like this? Essentially like insurance for medical procedures not covering cosmetic?

It keeps me up at night.
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hockeybub89 posted...

Monday posted...

I can't imagine any trans people who'd be against this. Transgenderism is a mental illness. You're talking about being able to cure it right out of the gate. It's lunacy to be against such an idea.

Gender dysphoria is a mental illness. Being trans is not.

This is one of those things where you're just being nitpicky. But then again, your reputation speaks for itself, yeah?
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hockeybub89 posted...

Callixtus posted...

I don't know why some of you are even having any misgivings about curing it in the first place. Many of you would at the same time support women's right to terminate all the transgender fetuses they can get their hands on.

There's no great moral compromise in curing transgenderism in the womb, when you don't care if those humans are born at all.

I assume people that treat their fetuses plan on giving birth to them. Pro-choice doesn't mean "kill all the babies". That is a really strange interpretation that continues to persist.

No but it's about valuation. Someone who is absolutely pro-choice places no societal value on fetuses. Since they concede that women have an unrestricted right to abortion, they shouldn't care at all whether an entire year's worth of fetuses are aborted. Why should you care any more whether someone with unlimited authority over their fetus chooses to alter it?

There is no moral dilemma there. How could it be "problematic" to alter one's fetus, but not to destroy it entirely? Under a worldview where bodily autonomy is king, there's no difference.
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