Current Events > Why is the Overwatch community filled with people refuse to take responsibility?

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I'm considered the bad guy when I tell people to concentrate on getting better. Stop blaming your teammates for everything. It isn't always 100% your teammates fault when you lose. You could have did something to lose that game. People treat me like I'm some horrible shit poster for telling people to take some responsibility for their rank. It's crazy.
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Git gud is shit advice and no amount of explanation is going to justify that.

*spams Winston's OH YEAH line*
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because it sucks
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Dash_Harber posted...

Git gud is shit advice and no amount of explanation is going to justify that.

It's never that blunt. I say things like,"Think about all you did that game. If it's close and you lose maybe you made a crucial mistake that didn't seem that big. Try to reduce those as much as possible."

That isn't shit advice.
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Because it's an online competitive multiplayer game

Actually being competitive isn't even required. The Destiny community is pretty bad too and it's mostly cooperative.
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I've noticed this in watching streamers. When they miss a hit/shot or fail some sort of timed event they always seem to blame the game lol. Like there's always an excuse for why something went wrong and it's never "oops I fucked up that time." Always some other reason.
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I always critique myself before others. Maybe I mad a mistake. Maybe I flat out didn't play good enough. That mindset is absent for most of the community though.
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Mercy players blame everyone but themselves
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DepreceV2 posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

Git gud is shit advice and no amount of explanation is going to justify that.

It's never that blunt. I say things like,"Think about all you did that game. If it's close and you lose maybe you made a crucial mistake that didn't seem that big. Try to reduce those as much as possible."

That isn't shit advice.

Yes it is. It's non-specific and unactionable. It's like coaching a failing Little League team and saying "Think about why we lost and everything you did during the game. Do less of that and do more stuff that will make you win."
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Because people try to turn a casual game into a competitive one.

With abilities that remove most of the work in securing a position or kill, Overwatch is insanely easy to pick up and play. It really comes down to luck. Who was lucky enough to press E/Shift/RMB/Q first?
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Im on my phone bear with me worse game I had...I was the last to join everyone had already picked no healers guy on mic says to go Mercy I listen to him we start off and the guy is using Reindheart we have a soldier Zarya junk rat forgot what else opposing team starts dominating us I keep getting killed by a Tracer, soldier and the rocket girl no one protects me and people keep spamming I need healing guy goes on a rant saying I suck and a lot of other shit I tell him no one protects me or kills anyone. 2nd round starts and he picks healer he gets murdered like 5 times and quits saying we all suck and still says I'm the worse one....
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I'm considered the bad guy when I tell people to concentrate on getting better. Stop blaming your teammates for everything

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3rd_Best_Master posted...

DepreceV2 posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

Git gud is shit advice and no amount of explanation is going to justify that.

It's never that blunt. I say things like,"Think about all you did that game. If it's close and you lose maybe you made a crucial mistake that didn't seem that big. Try to reduce those as much as possible."

That isn't shit advice.

Yes it is. It's non-specific and unactionable. It's like coaching a failing Little League team and saying "Think about why we lost and everything you did during the game. Do less of that and do more stuff that will make you win."

It isn't like I have gameplay of each person to analyze. You also dumbed it down to a absurd level. When I say think about the game and possible mistakes you need to actually do that.

Did you use your Ult st the wrong time and waste it?
Did you prioritize the wrong person in a team fight?
Why did you prioritize that person?
Did you take the high ground in certain fights that require it as a win condition?
Should you have switched heroes?

Those are just a few things that you can think about. Telling you to replay the match in your head and think about what you could have done different isn't shit advice. Especially with what I had to work with.
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Overwatch seems to be Tumblr the game
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What you do is tell them why they are shit and what to do next time
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DepreceV2 posted...

3rd_Best_Master posted...

DepreceV2 posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

Git gud is shit advice and no amount of explanation is going to justify that.

It's never that blunt. I say things like,"Think about all you did that game. If it's close and you lose maybe you made a crucial mistake that didn't seem that big. Try to reduce those as much as possible."

That isn't shit advice.

Yes it is. It's non-specific and unactionable. It's like coaching a failing Little League team and saying "Think about why we lost and everything you did during the game. Do less of that and do more stuff that will make you win."

It isn't like I have gameplay of each person to analyze. You also dumbed it down to a absurd level. When I say think about the game and possible mistakes you need to actually do that.

Did you use your Ult st the wrong time and waste it?
Did you prioritize the wrong person in a team fight?
Why did you prioritize that person?
Did you take the high ground in certain fights that require it as a win condition?
Should you have switched heroes?

Those are just a few things that you can think about. Telling you to replay the match in your head and think about what you could have done different isn't shit advice. Especially with what I had to work with.

You're not some guru giving sage advice, you're some guy prettying up git gud.
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That would be why casuals are the problem with gaming.
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dave_is_slick posted...

DepreceV2 posted...

3rd_Best_Master posted...

DepreceV2 posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

Git gud is shit advice and no amount of explanation is going to justify that.

It's never that blunt. I say things like,"Think about all you did that game. If it's close and you lose maybe you made a crucial mistake that didn't seem that big. Try to reduce those as much as possible."

That isn't shit advice.

Yes it is. It's non-specific and unactionable. It's like coaching a failing Little League team and saying "Think about why we lost and everything you did during the game. Do less of that and do more stuff that will make you win."

It isn't like I have gameplay of each person to analyze. You also dumbed it down to a absurd level. When I say think about the game and possible mistakes you need to actually do that.

Did you use your Ult st the wrong time and waste it?
Did you prioritize the wrong person in a team fight?
Why did you prioritize that person?
Did you take the high ground in certain fights that require it as a win condition?
Should you have switched heroes?

Those are just a few things that you can think about. Telling you to replay the match in your head and think about what you could have done different isn't shit advice. Especially with what I had to work with.

You're not some guru giving sage advice, you're some guy prettying up git gud.

That's not what I said at all
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DepreceV2 posted...

I say things like,"Think about all you did that game. If it's close and you lose maybe you made a crucial mistake that didn't seem that big. Try to reduce those as much as possible."

That isn't shit advice.

yes it is
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Freddie_Mercury posted...

DepreceV2 posted...

I say things like,"Think about all you did that game. If it's close and you lose maybe you made a crucial mistake that didn't seem that big. Try to reduce those as much as possible."

That isn't shit advice.

yes it is

What broad advice would you give without any specific request or gameplay to look at?
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The game is hard to balance and is more frustrating than fun. It's addicting and I love the characters and lore, but man, I find myself hating the game after just 3-4 games even if I win them all.

DepreceV2 posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

Git gud is shit advice and no amount of explanation is going to justify that.

It's never that blunt. I say things like,"Think about all you did that game. If it's close and you lose maybe you made a crucial mistake that didn't seem that big. Try to reduce those as much as possible."

That isn't shit advice.

That's some vague-ass advice.

If you don't really have anything specific to say, like "Everyone take shots of opportunity against Pharah, don't only leave it to Soldier" then it's better to not say anything.
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The only time 'get gud' is good advice is when someone is just spraying bullets everywhere like a 4 year old. Sometimes it can be really hard to give someone actual good advice though if you aren't paying close attention to what they're doing. I usually won't say anything unless I can point to something specific like staggering deaths or what have you.
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SGT_Conti posted...

DepreceV2 posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

Git gud is shit advice and no amount of explanation is going to justify that.

It's never that blunt. I say things like,"Think about all you did that game. If it's close and you lose maybe you made a crucial mistake that didn't seem that big. Try to reduce those as much as possible."

That isn't shit advice.

That's some vague-ass advice.

If you don't really have anything specific to say, like "Everyone take shots of opportunity against Pharah, don't only leave it to Soldier" then it's better to not say anything.

I have nothing to go on outside of I'm stuck at my rank because my teammates suck. So I should just completely ignore those people?
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DepreceV2 posted...

Freddie_Mercury posted...

DepreceV2 posted...

I say things like,"Think about all you did that game. If it's close and you lose maybe you made a crucial mistake that didn't seem that big. Try to reduce those as much as possible."

That isn't shit advice.

yes it is

What broad advice would you give without any specific request or gameplay to look at?

That's the point. You don't know anything about the actual match and yet you are acting like it's your responsibility to teach these people to win. Your advice does boil down to, "git gud" even if that is not what you are saying. You advice is to do less of what loses and matches and more of what wins them. Like someone else said, that is just prettying up, "git gud".

DepreceV2 posted...

So I should just completely ignore those people?

Yes.

Overwatch was made by a dev team that wanted to make an MMO and is filled with WoW/Hearthstone players who've never played a competitive game before.

You can't really expect much from it.

Dash_Harber posted...

DepreceV2 posted...

So I should just completely ignore those people?

Yes.

Oh. Well that was my problem then. I will take that advise to heart. Thanks.
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Think about the game. Did you do the good things? Or did you do the bad things? If you did the bad things, try not to do the bad things, and do the good things instead.


BAM Overwatch coach right here. You all owe me £50 for that hour's work
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>playing comp

if youre not doing a custom 6v6 torbjorn hammer only whatare you even doing
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It is an online game, where you don't ever meet each other, why blame themselves? Most people are going to blame everything else before themselves. It is just human nature, it is never their lack of skills, it is always something else.
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DepreceV2 posted...

3rd_Best_Master posted...

DepreceV2 posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

Git gud is shit advice and no amount of explanation is going to justify that.

It's never that blunt. I say things like,"Think about all you did that game. If it's close and you lose maybe you made a crucial mistake that didn't seem that big. Try to reduce those as much as possible."

That isn't shit advice.

Yes it is. It's non-specific and unactionable. It's like coaching a failing Little League team and saying "Think about why we lost and everything you did during the game. Do less of that and do more stuff that will make you win."

It isn't like I have gameplay of each person to analyze. You also dumbed it down to a absurd level. When I say think about the game and possible mistakes you need to actually do that.

Did you use your Ult st the wrong time and waste it?
Did you prioritize the wrong person in a team fight?
Why did you prioritize that person?
Did you take the high ground in certain fights that require it as a win condition?
Should you have switched heroes?

Those are just a few things that you can think about. Telling you to replay the match in your head and think about what you could have done different isn't shit advice. Especially with what I had to work with.

All of this is much better than what you originally said.
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Most games are like that. It's just more evident because the game is designed to be extremely team-based. In CSGO if you guys lose, it's easy to blame your team because theres like 12 of you and casual play doesn't necessitate complex and organized grenade plays and movement.
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It's usually pretty easy to tell what/who lost the match.

Like the attack torb/sym

The hanzo that didn't combo his ult once

The genji that died to their winston 10 times without switching

The DPS who doesn't even have bronze damage

Sure everybody could take a minute and think about how they could picked up the slack, but when it comes down to it, it was ^that person's fault. Or multiple people's faults.
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I despise competitive shooters.

then mobas.

I prefer cooperative PVE any day.
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