Current Events > Why Japanese Manga >>>>>>>>>> American Comics

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Manga mostly only have 1 writer through out the whole series and has the majority say of what happens in the series whether it becomes an anime or has OVA or has non-canon movies. American comics have different writers all the fucking time writing in new canon shit for different characters in the same universe while trying to connect everything to everyone making it a huge clusterfuck, they have to use multiverse angles to differentiate why things don't connect and then it still gets so fucking messy that they have to shithole in a plot to reset the universe.


Feel free to rage.
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Don't they also get to own their characters?
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Jokes aside, there is a flipside to that argument, TC. When you just have one writer for a series, they quite often get burned out, run out of ideas or just straight up lose the fucking plot.

Examples: Bleach, Berserk, Naruto....hell pretty much every long running shonen ends up in a weird place eventually that doesn't make sense, is boring as hell and has a lame and unsatisfying ending. I would say that having other writers reimagine the source material is pretty great.
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Or you could not be a weeby little shit and just enjoy both
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that's not a good argument as to why it's better.

like, let's say a writer came up with an interesting character and/or concept, but for whatever reason (i.e. they just weren't very strong at their craft), the execution fell flat.

someone more competent can come along, and do the character and/or concept justice.

or a different interpretation, that stop keeps the spirit of the original in mind, can garner more interest, be influential, etc.
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pinky0926 posted...

Jokes aside, there is a flipside to that argument, TC. When you just have one writer for a series, they quite often get burned out, run out of ideas or just straight up lose the fucking plot.

Examples: Bleach, Berserk, Naruto....hell pretty much every long running shonen ends up in a weird place eventually that doesn't make sense, is boring as hell and has a lame and unsatisfying ending. I would say that having other writers reimagine the source material is pretty great.

I would much rather have the former than the latter. How many universe resets DC have already because too many writers fucked up?
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eh, i really like different writers' takes on some characters. superman, batman, punisher all have amazing runs over numerous diff writers

FrenchCrunch posted...

eh, i really like different writers' takes on some characters. superman, batman, punisher all have amazing runs over numerous diff writers

That's actually part of the problem. Writers are bias bitches who will make Batman a God-like person who can beat anyone.
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Veggeta X posted...

FrenchCrunch posted...

eh, i really like different writers' takes on some characters. superman, batman, punisher all have amazing runs over numerous diff writers

That's actually part of the problem. Writers are bias bitches who will make Batman a God-like person who can beat anyone.

that's not a result of having diff writers. manga authors do that all the time

I just like how their business model in manga doesn't seem to rely on big crossover events that span 18 different series
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Veggeta X posted...

pinky0926 posted...

Jokes aside, there is a flipside to that argument, TC. When you just have one writer for a series, they quite often get burned out, run out of ideas or just straight up lose the fucking plot.

Examples: Bleach, Berserk, Naruto....hell pretty much every long running shonen ends up in a weird place eventually that doesn't make sense, is boring as hell and has a lame and unsatisfying ending. I would say that having other writers reimagine the source material is pretty great.

I would much rather have the former than the latter. How many universe resets DC have already because too many writers fucked up?

Are you sure about that? did you enjoy the ending to Bleach? Are you happy with the progress in Berserk over the past 10 years? Would you say that Naruto got better over time?

Personally while I love some of these mangas, too often they end up a disappointing mess.

The fact that American comics so readily allow new writers to reimagine the universe is how we ended up with some of the greatest comic book stories ever told, e.g. Old Man Logan, Planet Hulk, JLA Tower of Babel, etc.
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FrenchCrunch posted...

that's not a result of having diff writers. manga authors do that all the time

That IS the result of having different writers because they have their own narrative with the characters they like and then Marvel/DC are stupid enough to let these writers make shit canon.
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Veggeta X posted...

FrenchCrunch posted...

that's not a result of having diff writers. manga authors do that all the time

That IS the result of having different writers because they have their own narrative with the characters they like and then Marvel/DC are stupid enough to let these writers make shit canon.

dude what

if one writer is handling an entire run and he makes his character invincible how is that a fault of having multiple writers?

manga writers do that all the time

pinky0926 posted...

Are you sure about that? did you enjoy the ending to Bleach? Are you happy with the progress in Berserk over the past 10 years? Would you say that Naruto got better over time?Personally while I love some of these mangas, too often they end up a disappointing mess.The fact that American comics so readily allow new writers to reimagine the universe is how we ended up with some of the greatest comic book stories ever told, e.g. Old Man Logan, Planet Hulk, JLA Tower of Babel, etc.

I am 100% sure. Universe resets are the dumbest shit in the world to damage control fuck ups. That's the worst thing that can happen. I'd rather have Bleach just die then have multiple people with their own bias and narrative come and reset the universe.
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FrenchCrunch posted...

dude whatif one writer is handling an entire run and he makes his character invincible how is that a fault of having multiple writers?manga writers do that all the time

Is that why there's so many "X Character kills everyone!" comics?
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Veggeta X posted...

pinky0926 posted...

Are you sure about that? did you enjoy the ending to Bleach? Are you happy with the progress in Berserk over the past 10 years? Would you say that Naruto got better over time?Personally while I love some of these mangas, too often they end up a disappointing mess.The fact that American comics so readily allow new writers to reimagine the universe is how we ended up with some of the greatest comic book stories ever told, e.g. Old Man Logan, Planet Hulk, JLA Tower of Babel, etc.

I am 100% sure. Universe resets are the dumbest shit in the world to damage control fuck ups. That's the worst thing that can happen. I'd rather have Bleach just die then have multiple people with their own bias and narrative come and reset the universe.

single writers can reset their own universe and i can think of at least one manga off the top of my head in which it's happened

Veggeta X posted...

FrenchCrunch posted...

dude whatif one writer is handling an entire run and he makes his character invincible how is that a fault of having multiple writers?manga writers do that all the time

Is that why there's so many "X Character kills everyone!" comics?

no those are just for fun

Japanese storytelling is such low quality
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Y: The Last Man
100 Bullets
Transmetropolitan
Fables
Scalped

stuff like that crush manga.

stop acting like all of comics are marvel and dc, you clearly know nothing about comics.
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Books with pictures are for children
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Paper_Okami posted...

Y: The Last Man
100 Bullets
Transmetropolitan
Fables
Scalped

stuff like that crush manga.

stop acting like all of comics are marvel and dc, you clearly know nothing about comics.

Don't be mad that Marvel and DC represents most of all American Comics.
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The real reason why the topic title is true
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Veggeta X posted...

Don't be mad that Marvel and DC represents most of all American Comics.

they don't there are countless non-marvel and DC comics out there.

Also I guess if that's true, Shonen Jump is all manga then. And that still means American comics>>>>>>manga cause Shonen Jump is hot trash.
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I do generally agree that American comics tend to suffer from "too many cooks" syndrome. Though manga can have its own problems, most commonly when they're forced to be drawn out like the standard long runner such as Bleach & Naruto; One Piece seems to be one of the few exceptions, though that's partially because it generally comes off as more planned out compared to its peers.
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You were saying?
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Yaridovich posted...

The real reason why the topic title is true

Pedophilia and incest?

*Tagged*
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alphagamble posted...

Japanese storytelling is such low quality

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Both the American comic book industry and the Japanese manga industry are legitimate formats. Both have their own share of strengths and weakenesses.

On the subject of continuity, its rare that anything in comics is seriously screwed up that it needs to be addressed by some in-story event.

Wonder Girl was created because the writer didnt know that some weird Wonder Woman comics had Wonder Woman teaming up with her baby and teenage selves, and werent original characters.

Most everything else is because Barry Allen read Golden Age Flash comics and it doesn't make sense for a 30 year old Superman in 2017 to have fought Nazis during World War 2.

For everything else, there's the JSA.
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AlisLandale posted...

Most everything else is because Barry Allen read Golden Age Flash comics and it doesn't make sense for a 30 year old Superman in 2017 to have fought Nazis during World War 2.

Just so you know, the Golden age of DC officially takes place in a different universe that ended up being destroyed by Darkseid.

Superman today is a wholly different Superman from the 1930s
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ChromaticAngel posted...

Just so you know, the Golden age of DC officially takes place in a different universe that ended up being destroyed by Darkseid.

Superman today is a wholly different Superman from the 1930s

I know. I was stating why these crisis-level continuity events have happened.

Its rarely because of "fuck ups" and usually because DC cant decide how many Earths and iterations of their characters they want to exist in canon, or because some stories just dont make sense in a modern setting anymore.
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Paper_Okami posted...

Veggeta X posted...

Don't be mad that Marvel and DC represents most of all American Comics.

they don't there are countless non-marvel and DC comics out there.

Also I guess if that's true, Shonen Jump is all manga then. And that still means American comics>>>>>>manga cause Shonen Jump is hot trash.

Shonen > Marvel/DC and it's not even close.
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Veggeta X posted...

Shonen > Marvel/DC and it's not even close.

Shonen is the Japanese Superhero Genre

You're saying Superheros >>>> Marvel/DC

It makes no sense
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Comics have better artists, and are in color
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ChromaticAngel posted...

Veggeta X posted...

Shonen > Marvel/DC and it's not even close.

Shonen is the Japanese Superhero Genre

You're saying Superheros >>>> Marvel/DC

It makes no sense

Now where did you get this shit from?
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