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Clad 06/16/17 2:00:55 PM #1:	http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/05/15/report-beyonces-clothing-line-made-sri-lanka-sweatshops lmao old news but i'm surprised i've not heard of this before --- "Conservatives are Nazi's." - scoobydoobydont <cite>Clad posted [p:881235789] in Beyonce's ... [t:75468966]...</cite> <quote>http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/05/15/report-beyonces-clothing-line-made-sri-lanka-sweatshops lmao old news but i'm surprised i've not heard of this before</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Clad 06/16/17 2:10:53 PM #3:	@averagejoel Sorry but that kind of blanket statement is not an argument. Capitalism has nothing to do with ethical or unethical consumption. It's all about providing people with what they want, at the best quality and lowest price. Assuming of course that the market is allowed to function. I get that you're unabashedly on a little Communist schpiel these days but your position is not developed at all. --- "Conservatives are Nazi's." - scoobydoobydont <cite>Clad posted [p:881236415] in Beyonce's ... [t:75468966]...</cite> <quote>@averagejoel Sorry but that kind of blanket statement is not an argument. Capitalism has nothing to do with ethical or unethical consumption. It's all about providing people with what they want, at the best quality and lowest price. Assuming of course that the market is allowed to function. I get that you're unabashedly on a little Communist schpiel these days but your position is not developed at all.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Were_Wyrm 06/16/17 2:12:39 PM #4:	Did the sweatshops hire women? --- I was a God, Valeria. I found it...beneath me. - Dr. Doom http://i.imgur.com/9gYddqW.jpg <cite>Were_Wyrm posted [p:881236520] in Beyonce's ... [t:75468966]...</cite> <quote>Did the sweatshops hire women?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anarchy_Juiblex 06/16/17 2:21:15 PM #5:	That rate is reportedly above the legal minimum wage there. Even sweatshops aren't was bad as they used to be. Big fucking deal. "wahh the minimum wage in a foreign country is lower than ours" <- essentially the whining going on here. Globalist commie scum. America first. Real talk though, this shit is abhorrent. . . .restriction of women’s movement at night and locking them in --- "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted [p:881236986] in Beyonce's ... [t:75468966]...</cite> <quote>That rate is reportedly above the legal minimum wage there. Even sweatshops aren't was bad as they used to be. Big fucking deal. "wahh the minimum wage in a foreign country is lower than ours" <- essentially the whining going on here. Globalist commie scum. America first. Real talk though, this shit is abhorrent. . . .restriction of women’s movement at night and locking them in</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 06/16/17 2:38:25 PM #6:	Clad posted... @averagejoel Sorry but that kind of blanket statement is not an argument. Capitalism has nothing to do with ethical or unethical consumption. It's all about providing people with what they want, at the best quality and lowest price. Assuming of course that the market is allowed to function. I get that you're unabashedly on a little Communist schpiel these days but your position is not developed at all. then it's a good thing I wasn't arguing - was stating a fact also you are conveniently forgetting that capitalism is literally founded on exploitation --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:881237843] in Beyonce's ... [t:75468966]...</cite> <quote><cite>Clad posted...</cite> <quote>@averagejoel Sorry but that kind of blanket statement is not an argument. Capitalism has nothing to do with ethical or unethical consumption. It's all about providing people with what they want, at the best quality and lowest price. Assuming of course that the market is allowed to function. I get that you're unabashedly on a little Communist schpiel these days but your position is not developed at all.</quote> then it's a good thing I wasn't arguing - was stating a fact also you are conveniently forgetting that capitalism is literally founded on exploitation</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Clad 06/16/17 2:57:40 PM #7:	averagejoel posted... then it's a good thing I wasn't arguing - was stating a fact "There is no ethical consumption under capitalism" isn't a fact. It is an assertion. averagejoel posted... also you are conveniently forgetting that capitalism is literally founded on exploitation This is not an argument or a fact either. It's also an assertion. Asserting things without evidence or trying to pass off your views as axioms or facts is pretty childish. --- "Conservatives are Nazi's." - scoobydoobydont <cite>Clad posted [p:881238971] in Beyonce's ... [t:75468966]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>then it's a good thing I wasn't arguing - was stating a fact </quote> "There is no ethical consumption under capitalism" isn't a fact. It is an assertion. <cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>also you are conveniently forgetting that capitalism is literally founded on exploitation </quote> This is not an argument or a fact either. It's also an assertion. Asserting things without evidence or trying to pass off your views as axioms or facts is pretty childish.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
3rd_Best_Master 06/16/17 3:01:36 PM #8:	Clad posted... This is not an argument or a fact either. It's also an assertion. Asserting things without evidence or trying to pass off your views as axioms or facts is pretty childish. This has got to go in the quote topic. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.2 <cite>3rd_Best_Master posted [p:881239179] in Beyonce's ... [t:75468966]...</cite> <quote><cite>Clad posted...</cite> <quote>This is not an argument or a fact either. It's also an assertion. Asserting things without evidence or trying to pass off your views as axioms or facts is pretty childish.</quote> This has got to go in the quote topic.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 06/16/17 3:05:23 PM #9:	Good ol pinkwashing of neoliberalism. --- an aspirin the size of the sun. <cite>Antifar posted [p:881239404] in Beyonce's ... [t:75468966]...</cite> <quote>Good ol pinkwashing of neoliberalism.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 06/16/17 3:09:01 PM #10:	these communists would rather these poor sri lankans subsistence farm for the rest of their miserable days smh --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:881239597] in Beyonce's ... [t:75468966]...</cite> <quote>these communists would rather these poor sri lankans subsistence farm for the rest of their miserable days smh</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kuwab0 06/16/17 3:20:54 PM #11:	Who run the sweatshops? Girls! --- http://i.imgur.com/QfpP05s.png http://i.imgur.com/vdnZ1o6.png http://i.imgur.com/zTgf822.png <cite>kuwab0 posted [p:881240259] in Beyonce's ... [t:75468966]...</cite> <quote>Who run the sweatshops? Girls!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kingdrake2 06/16/17 3:28:13 PM #12:	kuwab0 posted... Who run the sweatshops? Girls! sweatshops run both male and female... --- Embrace the rage, my dear boy. Let the cortisol levels shave hour after hour off your general life expectancy - Starmieketone <cite>kingdrake2 posted [p:881240672] in Beyonce's ... [t:75468966]...</cite> <quote><cite>kuwab0 posted...</cite> <quote>Who run the sweatshops? Girls!</quote> sweatshops run both male and female...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Clad 06/16/17 3:33:01 PM #13:	Balrog0 posted... these communists would rather these poor sri lankans subsistence farm for the rest of their miserable days smh shhhh you might hurt averagejoel's feelings we all know that isn't real communism --- "Conservatives are Nazi's." - scoobydoobydont <cite>Clad posted [p:881240934] in Beyonce's ... [t:75468966]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>these communists would rather these poor sri lankans subsistence farm for the rest of their miserable days smh</quote> shhhh you might hurt averagejoel's feelings we all know that isn't real communism</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 06/16/17 3:38:41 PM #14:	https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/27/opinion/do-sweatshops-lift-workers-out-of-poverty.html?_r=2 To our surprise, most people who got an industrial job soon changed their minds. A majority quit within the first months. They ended up doing what those who had not gotten the job offers did — going back to the family farm, taking a construction job or selling goods at the market. Contrary to the expert predictions (and ours), quitting was a wise decision for most. The alternatives were not so bad after all: People who worked in agriculture or market selling earned about as much money as they could have at the factory, often with fewer hours and better conditions. We were amazed: By the end of a year only a third of the people who had landed an industrial job were still employed in the industrial sector at all. It would be easy to see this as the normal trial-and-error of young people starting out careers, but actually the factory jobs carried dangerous risks. Serious injuries and disabilities were nearly double among those who took the factory jobs, rising to 7 percent from about 4 percent. This risk rose with every month they stayed. The people we interviewed told us about exposure to chemical fumes and repetitive stress injuries. Why were people lining up for hazardous jobs? Partly it was because they did not appreciate the risks, or how hard the work was, until they started. Others anticipated the risks but used factory work as a safety net when times were tough. The people who stayed longer had few alternatives. We have to be careful about generalizing from five businesses in one country, but this study has still shaped our views of factory work. Industrialization is not a quick fix. The first defense of industry probably still holds: Over time, a booming sector tends to improve labor conditions and bid up wages as more businesses compete for workers. But the path there isn’t smooth. In the short run workers seem to share few of the benefits but a heavy burden of the risks — a burden borne by the desperate and the uninformed. --- an aspirin the size of the sun. <cite>Antifar posted [p:881241249] in Beyonce's ... [t:75468966]...</cite> <quote>https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/27/opinion/do-sweatshops-lift-workers-out-of-poverty.html?_r=2 <quote>To our surprise, most people who got an industrial job soon changed their minds. A majority quit within the first months. They ended up doing what those who had not gotten the job offers did — going back to the family farm, taking a construction job or selling goods at the market. Contrary to the expert predictions (and ours), quitting was a wise decision for most. The alternatives were not so bad after all: People who worked in agriculture or market selling earned about as much money as they could have at the factory, often with fewer hours and better conditions. We were amazed: By the end of a year only a third of the people who had landed an industrial job were still employed in the industrial sector at all. It would be easy to see this as the normal trial-and-error of young people starting out careers, but actually the factory jobs carried dangerous risks. Serious injuries and disabilities were nearly double among those who took the factory jobs, rising to 7 percent from about 4 percent. This risk rose with every month they stayed. The people we interviewed told us about exposure to chemical fumes and repetitive stress injuries. Why were people lining up for hazardous jobs? Partly it was because they did not appreciate the risks, or how hard the work was, until they started. Others anticipated the risks but used factory work as a safety net when times were tough. The people who stayed longer had few alternatives. We have to be careful about generalizing from five businesses in one country, but this study has still shaped our views of factory work. Industrialization is not a quick fix. The first defense of industry probably still holds: Over time, a booming sector tends to improve labor conditions and bid up wages as more businesses compete for workers. But the path there isn’t smooth. In the short run workers seem to share few of the benefits but a heavy burden of the risks — a burden borne by the desperate and the uninformed.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Balrog0 06/16/17 3:40:37 PM #16:	Antifar posted... https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/27/opinion/do-sweatshops-lift-workers-out-of-poverty.html?_r=2 To our surprise, most people who got an industrial job soon changed their minds. A majority quit within the first months. They ended up doing what those who had not gotten the job offers did — going back to the family farm, taking a construction job or selling goods at the market. Contrary to the expert predictions (and ours), quitting was a wise decision for most. The alternatives were not so bad after all: People who worked in agriculture or market selling earned about as much money as they could have at the factory, often with fewer hours and better conditions. We were amazed: By the end of a year only a third of the people who had landed an industrial job were still employed in the industrial sector at all. It would be easy to see this as the normal trial-and-error of young people starting out careers, but actually the factory jobs carried dangerous risks. Serious injuries and disabilities were nearly double among those who took the factory jobs, rising to 7 percent from about 4 percent. This risk rose with every month they stayed. The people we interviewed told us about exposure to chemical fumes and repetitive stress injuries. Why were people lining up for hazardous jobs? Partly it was because they did not appreciate the risks, or how hard the work was, until they started. Others anticipated the risks but used factory work as a safety net when times were tough. The people who stayed longer had few alternatives. We have to be careful about generalizing from five businesses in one country, but this study has still shaped our views of factory work. Industrialization is not a quick fix. The first defense of industry probably still holds: Over time, a booming sector tends to improve labor conditions and bid up wages as more businesses compete for workers. But the path there isn’t smooth. In the short run workers seem to share few of the benefits but a heavy burden of the risks — a burden borne by the desperate and the uninformed. thank god there was an industrial base for workers to fall back on, which in turn allowed wraparound industries in the market to be profitable for more people --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:881241394] in Beyonce's ... [t:75468966]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/27/opinion/do-sweatshops-lift-workers-out-of-poverty.html?_r=2 <quote>To our surprise, most people who got an industrial job soon changed their minds. A majority quit within the first months. They ended up doing what those who had not gotten the job offers did — going back to the family farm, taking a construction job or selling goods at the market. Contrary to the expert predictions (and ours), quitting was a wise decision for most. The alternatives were not so bad after all: People who worked in agriculture or market selling earned about as much money as they could have at the factory, often with fewer hours and better conditions. We were amazed: By the end of a year only a third of the people who had landed an industrial job were still employed in the industrial sector at all. It would be easy to see this as the normal trial-and-error of young people starting out careers, but actually the factory jobs carried dangerous risks. Serious injuries and disabilities were nearly double among those who took the factory jobs, rising to 7 percent from about 4 percent. This risk rose with every month they stayed. The people we interviewed told us about exposure to chemical fumes and repetitive stress injuries. Why were people lining up for hazardous jobs? Partly it was because they did not appreciate the risks, or how hard the work was, until they started. Others anticipated the risks but used factory work as a safety net when times were tough. The people who stayed longer had few alternatives. We have to be careful about generalizing from five businesses in one country, but this study has still shaped our views of factory work. Industrialization is not a quick fix. The first defense of industry probably still holds: Over time, a booming sector tends to improve labor conditions and bid up wages as more businesses compete for workers. But the path there isn’t smooth. In the short run workers seem to share few of the benefits but a heavy burden of the risks — a burden borne by the desperate and the uninformed.</quote></quote> thank god there was an industrial base for workers to fall back on, which in turn allowed wraparound industries in the market to be profitable for more people</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 06/16/17 3:43:59 PM #17:	Clad posted... Balrog0 posted... these communists would rather these poor sri lankans subsistence farm for the rest of their miserable days smh shhhh you might hurt averagejoel's feelings we all know that isn't real communism you were attempting to shit on me for not having an argument when i wasn't arguing, then you post this? --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:881241569] in Beyonce's ... [t:75468966]...</cite> <quote><cite>Clad posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>these communists would rather these poor sri lankans subsistence farm for the rest of their miserable days smh</quote> shhhh you might hurt averagejoel's feelings we all know that isn't real communism</quote> you were attempting to shit on me for not having an argument when i wasn't arguing, then you post this?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Clad 06/16/17 3:44:53 PM #18:	averagejoel posted... Clad posted... Balrog0 posted... these communists would rather these poor sri lankans subsistence farm for the rest of their miserable days smh shhhh you might hurt averagejoel's feelings we all know that isn't real communism you were attempting to shit on me for not having an argument when i wasn't arguing, then you post this? i already addressed your shit. if i make snarky responses that's still true. notice how you didn't bother to defend your position, either. don't cry if you aren't going to defend the shit you preach lol --- "Conservatives are Nazi's." - scoobydoobydont <cite>Clad posted [p:881241619] in Beyonce's ... [t:75468966]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Clad posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>these communists would rather these poor sri lankans subsistence farm for the rest of their miserable days smh</quote> shhhh you might hurt averagejoel's feelings we all know that isn't real communism</quote> you were attempting to shit on me for not having an argument when i wasn't arguing, then you post this?</quote> i already addressed your shit. if i make snarky responses that's still true. notice how you didn't bother to defend your position, either. don't cry if you aren't going to defend the shit you preach lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 06/16/17 3:47:28 PM #19:	Clad posted... averagejoel posted... Clad posted... Balrog0 posted... these communists would rather these poor sri lankans subsistence farm for the rest of their miserable days smh shhhh you might hurt averagejoel's feelings we all know that isn't real communism you were attempting to shit on me for not having an argument when i wasn't arguing, then you post this? i already addressed your shit. if i make snarky responses that's still true. notice how you didn't bother to defend your position, either. don't cry if you aren't going to defend the shit you preach lol you did not address it at all, because i wasn't arguing i didn't defend my position because i wasn't arguing i'm not crying and i'm not preaching so your whole post is wrong --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:881241760] in Beyonce's ... [t:75468966]...</cite> <quote><cite>Clad posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Clad posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>these communists would rather these poor sri lankans subsistence farm for the rest of their miserable days smh</quote> shhhh you might hurt averagejoel's feelings we all know that isn't real communism</quote> you were attempting to shit on me for not having an argument when i wasn't arguing, then you post this?</quote> i already addressed your shit. if i make snarky responses that's still true. notice how you didn't bother to defend your position, either. don't cry if you aren't going to defend the shit you preach lol</quote> you did not address it at all, because i wasn't arguing i didn't defend my position because i wasn't arguing i'm not crying and i'm not preaching so your whole post is wrong</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Looked gf 06/16/17 3:51:00 PM #20:	kuwab0 posted... Who run the sweatshops? Girls! LOL --- http://i.imgur.com/otLaOxa.gifv <cite>Looked gf posted [p:881241951] in Beyonce's ... [t:75468966]...</cite> <quote><cite>kuwab0 posted...</cite> <quote>Who run the sweatshops? Girls!</quote> LOL</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EnragedSlith 06/16/17 3:51:20 PM #21:	It's about empowering women, not foreign workers --- http://i.imgur.com/gIoselB.gif https://i.imgur.com/p8iCfHF.jpg <cite>EnragedSlith posted [p:881241973] in Beyonce's ... [t:75468966]...</cite> <quote>It's about empowering women, not foreign workers</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
billcom6 06/16/17 3:55:05 PM #22:	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VaHmgoB10E --- Because most days are bad days... --- Steam and XBOX Live: billcom6 My Teams: The Ohio State Buckeyes, New York Yankees, Buffalo Bills, The CBJ, Cavs <cite>billcom6 posted [p:881242163] in Beyonce's ... [t:75468966]...</cite> <quote> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VaHmgoB10E</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Clad 06/16/17 3:55:38 PM #23:	averagejoel posted... Clad posted... averagejoel posted... Clad posted... Balrog0 posted... these communists would rather these poor sri lankans subsistence farm for the rest of their miserable days smh shhhh you might hurt averagejoel's feelings we all know that isn't real communism you were attempting to shit on me for not having an argument when i wasn't arguing, then you post this? i already addressed your shit. if i make snarky responses that's still true. notice how you didn't bother to defend your position, either. don't cry if you aren't going to defend the shit you preach lol you did not address it at all, because i wasn't arguing i didn't defend my position because i wasn't arguing i'm not crying and i'm not preaching so your whole post is wrong You literally made two statements as if they're facts, and I called you out on it. Now I'm waiting for you to defend your claim that those are facts. That's not difficult to understand, is it? You can't hide behind "herp DERP I wasn't arguing HAHAHA LALALALA I CANT HEAR YOU!!11111" --- "Conservatives are Nazi's." - scoobydoobydont <cite>Clad posted [p:881242200] in Beyonce's ... [t:75468966]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Clad posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Clad posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>these communists would rather these poor sri lankans subsistence farm for the rest of their miserable days smh</quote> shhhh you might hurt averagejoel's feelings we all know that isn't real communism</quote> you were attempting to shit on me for not having an argument when i wasn't arguing, then you post this?</quote> i already addressed your shit. if i make snarky responses that's still true. notice how you didn't bother to defend your position, either. don't cry if you aren't going to defend the shit you preach lol</quote> you did not address it at all, because i wasn't arguing i didn't defend my position because i wasn't arguing i'm not crying and i'm not preaching so your whole post is wrong</quote> You literally made two statements as if they're facts, and I called you out on it. Now I'm waiting for you to defend your claim that those are facts. That's not difficult to understand, is it? You can't hide behind "herp DERP I wasn't arguing HAHAHA LALALALA I CANT HEAR YOU!!11111"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
weapon_d00d816 06/16/17 3:58:38 PM #24:	Relax, they're women-owned sweatshops. --- SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SlG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SlG <cite>weapon_d00d816 posted [p:881242350] in Beyonce's ... [t:75468966]...</cite> <quote>Relax, they're women-owned sweatshops.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 06/16/17 3:58:51 PM #25:	Clad posted... You literally made two statements as if they're facts, and I called you out on it. Now I'm waiting for you to defend your claim that those are facts. That's not difficult to understand, is it? You can't hide behind "herp DERP I wasn't arguing HAHAHA LALALALA I CANT HEAR YOU!!11111" I'm not defending any claims. because I'm not arguing --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:881242361] in Beyonce's ... [t:75468966]...</cite> <quote><cite>Clad posted...</cite> <quote>You literally made two statements as if they're facts, and I called you out on it. Now I'm waiting for you to defend your claim that those are facts. That's not difficult to understand, is it? You can't hide behind "herp DERP I wasn't arguing HAHAHA LALALALA I CANT HEAR YOU!!11111"</quote> I'm not defending any claims. because I'm not arguing</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Clad 06/16/17 4:02:00 PM #26:	averagejoel posted... Clad posted... You literally made two statements as if they're facts, and I called you out on it. Now I'm waiting for you to defend your claim that those are facts. That's not difficult to understand, is it? You can't hide behind "herp DERP I wasn't arguing HAHAHA LALALALA I CANT HEAR YOU!!11111" I'm not defending any claims. because I'm not arguing so what were you doing when you posted those assertions --- "Conservatives are Nazi's." - scoobydoobydont <cite>Clad posted [p:881242534] in Beyonce's ... [t:75468966]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Clad posted...</cite> <quote>You literally made two statements as if they're facts, and I called you out on it. Now I'm waiting for you to defend your claim that those are facts. That's not difficult to understand, is it? You can't hide behind "herp DERP I wasn't arguing HAHAHA LALALALA I CANT HEAR YOU!!11111"</quote> I'm not defending any claims. because I'm not arguing</quote> so what were you doing when you posted those assertions</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 06/16/17 4:06:01 PM #27:	seriously, though, @Antifar I think if you read the study itself you'll see that it's less down on sweat shop labor than the press coverage about it is https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2843595 While they show that those assigned to the study firms were likely to exit, it also showed that the control group is fairly likely to enter -- 40+% had worked at least 1 month in industrial labor conditions similar to the treatment group. And even those given cash money to start their own business still used employment in this sector to fill in employment hours. A lot of the headline in this study is misleading because it insinuates that the control and entrepreneur treatment groups are some how exclusively separated from industrial labor, when in fact it is an important part of their wages even if they aren't assigned to it. On top of that, the characteristics of those who were likely to maintain industrial employment indicate that, unsurprisingly, it is the people who have the least opportunities in the informal sector (less employment, worse working memory, and those with lower cognitive ability). Those who were assigned to a sweatshop were also more likely to emigrate, indicating they had more opportunities abroad than the control counterparts. --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:881242763] in Beyonce's ... [t:75468966]...</cite> <quote>seriously, though, @Antifar I think if you read the study itself you'll see that it's less down on sweat shop labor than the press coverage about it is https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2843595 While they show that those assigned to the study firms were likely to exit, it also showed that the control group is fairly likely to enter -- 40+% had worked at least 1 month in industrial labor conditions similar to the treatment group. And even those given cash money to start their own business still used employment in this sector to fill in employment hours. A lot of the headline in this study is misleading because it insinuates that the control and entrepreneur treatment groups are some how exclusively separated from industrial labor, when in fact it is an important part of their wages even if they aren't assigned to it. On top of that, the characteristics of those who were likely to maintain industrial employment indicate that, unsurprisingly, it is the people who have the least opportunities in the informal sector (less employment, worse working memory, and those with lower cognitive ability). Those who were assigned to a sweatshop were also more likely to emigrate, indicating they had more opportunities abroad than the control counterparts.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 06/16/17 4:12:28 PM #28:	Clad posted... averagejoel posted... Clad posted... You literally made two statements as if they're facts, and I called you out on it. Now I'm waiting for you to defend your claim that those are facts. That's not difficult to understand, is it? You can't hide behind "herp DERP I wasn't arguing HAHAHA LALALALA I CANT HEAR YOU!!11111" I'm not defending any claims. because I'm not arguing so what were you doing when you posted those assertions Beyonce is exploiting the poor with her sweatshops capitalism cannot function without exploitation the "no ethical consumption" phrase is commonly said to reassure other leftists when they're feeling some cognitive dissonance - for instance, if someone can't afford to buy locally sourced food and buys factory farmed stuff instead so people can be against exploitation, but because of the system, they're forced to buy into it --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:881243161] in Beyonce's ... [t:75468966]...</cite> <quote><cite>Clad posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Clad posted...</cite> <quote>You literally made two statements as if they're facts, and I called you out on it. Now I'm waiting for you to defend your claim that those are facts. That's not difficult to understand, is it? You can't hide behind "herp DERP I wasn't arguing HAHAHA LALALALA I CANT HEAR YOU!!11111"</quote> I'm not defending any claims. because I'm not arguing</quote> so what were you doing when you posted those assertions</quote> Beyonce is exploiting the poor with her sweatshops capitalism cannot function without exploitation the "no ethical consumption" phrase is commonly said to reassure other leftists when they're feeling some cognitive dissonance - for instance, if someone can't afford to buy locally sourced food and buys factory farmed stuff instead so people can be against exploitation, but because of the system, they're forced to buy into it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 06/16/17 4:13:38 PM #29:	averagejoel posted... so people can be against exploitation, but because of the system, they're forced to buy into it i.e., abdicating personal responsibility, which leftists are excellent at --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:881243219] in Beyonce's ... [t:75468966]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>so people can be against exploitation, but because of the system, they're forced to buy into it</quote> i.e., abdicating personal responsibility, which leftists are excellent at</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 06/16/17 4:15:17 PM #30:	Balrog0 posted... averagejoel posted... so people can be against exploitation, but because of the system, they're forced to buy into it i.e., abdicating personal responsibility, which leftists are excellent at did you even read my post? --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:881243304] in Beyonce's ... [t:75468966]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>so people can be against exploitation, but because of the system, they're forced to buy into it</quote> i.e., abdicating personal responsibility, which leftists are excellent at</quote> did you even read my post?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Clad 06/16/17 4:15:22 PM #31:	Beyonce is exploiting the poor with her sweatshops She's paying them more than the minimum wage. It's still exploitation, though, but that doesn't have anything to do with capitalism. It has everything to do with Beyonce and her managers being awful people. capitalism cannot function without exploitation proof? pointing to this example of a leftist being a bad person doesn't mean capitalism is at fault. she could literally pay them well and treat them well and still make a profit, but chooses not to. the "no ethical consumption" phrase is commonly said to reassure other leftists when they're feeling some cognitive dissonance - for instance, if someone can't afford to buy locally sourced food and buys factory farmed stuff instead so people can be against exploitation, but because of the system, they're forced to buy into it that's dogma, to the point of it resembling religion --- "Conservatives are Nazi's." - scoobydoobydont <cite>Clad posted [p:881243311] in Beyonce's ... [t:75468966]...</cite> <quote>Beyonce is exploiting the poor with her sweatshops She's paying them more than the minimum wage. It's still exploitation, though, but that doesn't have anything to do with capitalism. It has everything to do with Beyonce and her managers being awful people. capitalism cannot function without exploitation proof? pointing to this example of a leftist being a bad person doesn't mean capitalism is at fault. she could literally pay them well and treat them well and still make a profit, but chooses not to. the "no ethical consumption" phrase is commonly said to reassure other leftists when they're feeling some cognitive dissonance - for instance, if someone can't afford to buy locally sourced food and buys factory farmed stuff instead so people can be against exploitation, but because of the system, they're forced to buy into it that's dogma, to the point of it resembling religion</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 06/16/17 4:17:49 PM #32:	averagejoel posted... did you even read my post? yeah, but I didn't need to, it's not like this is the first time I've encountered the phrase or the ideology behind it Clad posted... that's dogma, to the point of it resembling religion a magic spell that absolves you of all the guilt associated with your choices, so long as you can blame it on the abstract monster that is capitalism --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:881243456] in Beyonce's ... [t:75468966]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>did you even read my post?</quote> yeah, but I didn't need to, it's not like this is the first time I've encountered the phrase or the ideology behind it <cite>Clad posted...</cite> <quote>that's dogma, to the point of it resembling religion</quote> a magic spell that absolves you of all the guilt associated with your choices, so long as you can blame it on the abstract monster that is capitalism</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Clad 06/16/17 4:18:49 PM #33:	Balrog0 posted... a magic spell that absolves you of all the guilt associated with your choices, so long as you can blame it on the abstract monster that is capitalism all while shitposting on gamefaqs from your iphone or macbook while enjoying the extremely high standard of living capitalism has given us --- "Conservatives are Nazi's." - scoobydoobydont <cite>Clad posted [p:881243520] in Beyonce's ... [t:75468966]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>a magic spell that absolves you of all the guilt associated with your choices, so long as you can blame it on the abstract monster that is capitalism </quote> all while shitposting on gamefaqs from your iphone or macbook while enjoying the extremely high standard of living capitalism has given us</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 06/16/17 4:32:03 PM #34:	Clad posted... Balrog0 posted... a magic spell that absolves you of all the guilt associated with your choices, so long as you can blame it on the abstract monster that is capitalism all while shitposting on gamefaqs from your iphone or macbook while enjoying the extremely high standard of living capitalism has given us none of this exchange is an argument --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:881244340] in Beyonce's ... [t:75468966]...</cite> <quote><cite>Clad posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>a magic spell that absolves you of all the guilt associated with your choices, so long as you can blame it on the abstract monster that is capitalism </quote> all while shitposting on gamefaqs from your iphone or macbook while enjoying the extremely high standard of living capitalism has given us</quote> none of this exchange is an argument</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Clad 06/16/17 4:32:58 PM #35:	averagejoel posted... Clad posted... Balrog0 posted... a magic spell that absolves you of all the guilt associated with your choices, so long as you can blame it on the abstract monster that is capitalism all while shitposting on gamefaqs from your iphone or macbook while enjoying the extremely high standard of living capitalism has given us none of this exchange is an argument then what is it? --- "Conservatives are Nazi's." - scoobydoobydont <cite>Clad posted [p:881244394] in Beyonce's ... [t:75468966]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Clad posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>a magic spell that absolves you of all the guilt associated with your choices, so long as you can blame it on the abstract monster that is capitalism </quote> all while shitposting on gamefaqs from your iphone or macbook while enjoying the extremely high standard of living capitalism has given us</quote> none of this exchange is an argument</quote> then what is it?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 06/16/17 4:36:45 PM #36:	Clad posted... averagejoel posted... Clad posted... Balrog0 posted... a magic spell that absolves you of all the guilt associated with your choices, so long as you can blame it on the abstract monster that is capitalism all while shitposting on gamefaqs from your iphone or macbook while enjoying the extremely high standard of living capitalism has given us none of this exchange is an argument then what is it? two dudes who know nothing about communism jerking each other off and trying to get one dude who actually knows about communism to argue with them --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:881244597] in Beyonce's ... [t:75468966]...</cite> <quote><cite>Clad posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Clad posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>a magic spell that absolves you of all the guilt associated with your choices, so long as you can blame it on the abstract monster that is capitalism </quote> all while shitposting on gamefaqs from your iphone or macbook while enjoying the extremely high standard of living capitalism has given us</quote> none of this exchange is an argument</quote> then what is it?</quote> two dudes who know nothing about communism jerking each other off and trying to get one dude who actually knows about communism to argue with them</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Clad 06/16/17 4:37:53 PM #37:	lmao you don't know anything about anything, dude. if you did you've had provided evidence for your statements instead of just asserting things. your past attempts at debating me on this topic were rather telling, by the way. you ran away each fucking time after you got spanked. --- "Conservatives are Nazi's." - scoobydoobydont <cite>Clad posted [p:881244658] in Beyonce's ... [t:75468966]...</cite> <quote>lmao you don't know anything about anything, dude. if you did you've had provided evidence for your statements instead of just asserting things. your past attempts at debating me on this topic were rather telling, by the way. you ran away each fucking time after you got spanked.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 06/16/17 4:41:08 PM #38:	averagejoel posted... two dudes who know nothing about communism jerking each other off and trying to get one dude who actually knows about communism to argue with them I know plenty about communism. I'm not all that sure you know much about communism other than whatever you think you learned this last election cycle. At least you haven't demonstrated any kind of understanding. So I'm mirroring your level of analysis I was happy to respond to Antifar in a serious way because he is a serious person and poster --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:881244850] in Beyonce's ... [t:75468966]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>two dudes who know nothing about communism jerking each other off and trying to get one dude who actually knows about communism to argue with them</quote> I know plenty about communism. I'm not all that sure you know much about communism other than whatever you think you learned this last election cycle. At least you haven't demonstrated any kind of understanding. So I'm mirroring your level of analysis I was happy to respond to Antifar in a serious way because he is a serious person and poster</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Clad 06/16/17 4:42:15 PM #39:	averagejoel literally tried to argue that Romania was not a communist country like he's either a master-level troll or one of the most misguided and delusional posters i've ever seen --- "Conservatives are Nazi's." - scoobydoobydont <cite>Clad posted [p:881244905] in Beyonce's ... [t:75468966]...</cite> <quote>averagejoel literally tried to argue that Romania was not a communist country like he's either a master-level troll or one of the most misguided and delusional posters i've ever seen</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 06/16/17 4:44:20 PM #40:	I would imagine most modern day communists would argue that a communist state is an incoherent idea, although I feel like this is not something most modern day communists analyze in detail but more take as an article of faith. Socialism in one country is a perfectly philosophically coherent idea that developed in response to the failure of communist utopian predictions to materialize (get it? materialize???) --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:881245022] in Beyonce's ... [t:75468966]...</cite> <quote>I would imagine most modern day communists would argue that a communist state is an incoherent idea, although I feel like this is not something most modern day communists analyze in detail but more take as an article of faith. Socialism in one country is a perfectly philosophically coherent idea that developed in response to the failure of communist utopian predictions to materialize (get it? materialize???)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Clad 06/16/17 4:45:15 PM #41:	Balrog0 posted... I would imagine most modern day communists would argue that a communist state is an incoherent idea, although I feel like this is not something most modern day communists analyze in detail but more take as an article of faith. Socialism in one country is a perfectly philosophically coherent idea that developed in response to the failure of communist utopian predictions to materialize (get it? materialize???) socialists and communists move the goal posts every time they see an example of their precious ideology bringing a country to ruin. that's all it is. --- "Conservatives are Nazi's." - scoobydoobydont <cite>Clad posted [p:881245088] in Beyonce's ... [t:75468966]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>I would imagine most modern day communists would argue that a communist state is an incoherent idea, although I feel like this is not something most modern day communists analyze in detail but more take as an article of faith. Socialism in one country is a perfectly philosophically coherent idea that developed in response to the failure of communist utopian predictions to materialize (get it? materialize???)</quote> socialists and communists move the goal posts every time they see an example of their precious ideology bringing a country to ruin. that's all it is.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 06/16/17 4:45:34 PM #42:	Clad posted... lmao you don't know anything about anything, dude. if you did you've had provided evidence for your statements instead of just asserting things. your past attempts at debating me on this topic were rather telling, by the way. you ran away each fucking time after you got spanked. I can, but I'm not going to because I already know you'll just dismiss anything I say Clad posted... averagejoel literally tried to argue that Romania was not a communist country like he's either a master-level troll or one of the most misguided and delusional posters i've ever seen does Romania have a state? if so, they are not communist. --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:881245112] in Beyonce's ... [t:75468966]...</cite> <quote><cite>Clad posted...</cite> <quote>lmao you don't know anything about anything, dude. if you did you've had provided evidence for your statements instead of just asserting things. your past attempts at debating me on this topic were rather telling, by the way. you ran away each fucking time after you got spanked.</quote> I can, but I'm not going to because I already know you'll just dismiss anything I say <cite>Clad posted...</cite> <quote>averagejoel literally tried to argue that Romania was not a communist country like he's either a master-level troll or one of the most misguided and delusional posters i've ever seen</quote> does Romania have a state? if so, they are not communist.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Clad 06/16/17 4:46:16 PM #43:	averagejoel posted... I can, but I'm not going to because I already know you'll just dismiss anything I say i spanked you before when you tried. i didn't just dismiss what you said. i presented arguments and evidence. all you ever did was just assert your view repeatedly. averagejoel posted... does Romania have a state? if so, they are not communist. romania was a communist country, end of story lmao --- "Conservatives are Nazi's." - scoobydoobydont <cite>Clad posted [p:881245152] in Beyonce's ... [t:75468966]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>I can, but I'm not going to because I already know you'll just dismiss anything I say </quote> i spanked you before when you tried. i didn't just dismiss what you said. i presented arguments and evidence. all you ever did was just assert your view repeatedly. <cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>does Romania have a state? if so, they are not communist. </quote> romania was a communist country, end of story lmao</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 06/16/17 4:47:52 PM #44:	Clad posted... romania was a communist country, end of story lmao has Romania ever not had a state? --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:881245236] in Beyonce's ... [t:75468966]...</cite> <quote><cite>Clad posted...</cite> <quote>romania was a communist country, end of story lmao</quote> has Romania ever not had a state?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gamepimp12 06/16/17 4:51:10 PM #45:	I tend to not blame the star in these situations because that's the kinda stuff that's contracted out and you don't really question the contractors on what they say goes on The same thing happened to Nike. --- we rich now but used to be slaves,we pushing whips now we used to be whipped,rockin chains when we used to be in 'em <cite>gamepimp12 posted [p:881245415] in Beyonce's ... [t:75468966]...</cite> <quote>I tend to not blame the star in these situations because that's the kinda stuff that's contracted out and you don't really question the contractors on what they say goes on The same thing happened to Nike.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Clad 06/16/17 4:53:40 PM #46:	averagejoel posted... Clad posted... romania was a communist country, end of story lmao has Romania ever not had a state? literally still trying to find some way in which to move the goal posts so that romania was somehow not a communist state lmao sigh --- "Conservatives are Nazi's." - scoobydoobydont <cite>Clad posted [p:881245561] in Beyonce's ... [t:75468966]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Clad posted...</cite> <quote>romania was a communist country, end of story lmao</quote> has Romania ever not had a state?</quote> literally still trying to find some way in which to move the goal posts so that romania was somehow not a communist state lmao sigh</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 06/16/17 4:58:29 PM #47:	Clad posted... averagejoel posted... Clad posted... romania was a communist country, end of story lmao has Romania ever not had a state? literally still trying to find some way in which to move the goal posts so that romania was somehow not a communist state lmao sigh using the definition of communism is not moving the goalposts --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:881245814] in Beyonce's ... [t:75468966]...</cite> <quote><cite>Clad posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Clad posted...</cite> <quote>romania was a communist country, end of story lmao</quote> has Romania ever not had a state?</quote> literally still trying to find some way in which to move the goal posts so that romania was somehow not a communist state lmao sigh</quote> using the definition of communism is not moving the goalposts</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Clad 06/16/17 5:00:01 PM #48:	averagejoel posted... Clad posted... averagejoel posted... Clad posted... romania was a communist country, end of story lmao has Romania ever not had a state? literally still trying to find some way in which to move the goal posts so that romania was somehow not a communist state lmao sigh using the definition of communism is not moving the goalposts this is the top definition i found via google "a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs." Romania was a communist country and it was a shit hole. My family immigrated to America from there. You don't know what you're talking about lmao --- "Conservatives are Nazi's." - scoobydoobydont <cite>Clad posted [p:881245902] in Beyonce's ... [t:75468966]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Clad posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Clad posted...</cite> <quote>romania was a communist country, end of story lmao</quote> has Romania ever not had a state?</quote> literally still trying to find some way in which to move the goal posts so that romania was somehow not a communist state lmao sigh</quote> using the definition of communism is not moving the goalposts</quote> this is the top definition i found via google "a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs." Romania was a communist country and it was a shit hole. My family immigrated to America from there. You don't know what you're talking about lmao</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 06/16/17 5:32:30 PM #49:	me: Clad posted... Sorry but that kind of blanket statement is not an argument. also me: Clad posted... romania was a communist country, end of story lmao --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:881247536] in Beyonce's ... [t:75468966]...</cite> <quote>me: <cite>Clad posted...</cite> <quote>Sorry but that kind of blanket statement is not an argument.</quote> also me: <cite>Clad posted...</cite> <quote>romania was a communist country, end of story lmao</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Clad 06/16/17 5:33:04 PM #50:	averagejoel posted... me: Clad posted... Sorry but that kind of blanket statement is not an argument. also me: Clad posted... romania was a communist country, end of story lmao this is the top definition i found via google "a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs." Romania was a communist country and it was a s*** hole. My family immigrated to America from there. You don't know what you're talking about lmao --- "Conservatives are Nazi's." - scoobydoobydont <cite>Clad posted [p:881247562] in Beyonce's ... [t:75468966]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>me: <cite>Clad posted...</cite> <quote>Sorry but that kind of blanket statement is not an argument.</quote> also me: <cite>Clad posted...</cite> <quote>romania was a communist country, end of story lmao</quote></quote> this is the top definition i found via google "a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs." Romania was a communist country and it was a s*** hole. My family immigrated to America from there. You don't know what you're talking about lmao</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smoke944 06/16/17 5:35:52 PM #51:	Balrog0 posted... these communists would rather these poor sri lankans subsistence farm for the rest of their miserable days smh This but unironically --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejCCEAjDU7U <cite>Smoke944 posted [p:881247717] in Beyonce's ... [t:75468966]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>these communists would rather these poor sri lankans subsistence farm for the rest of their miserable days smh</quote> This but unironically</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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