Current Events > Will Cod WW2 be as SJW as battlefield

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Why are the people complaining about Minorities in these games been seen as the SJWs ?
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Darmik posted...

Just like the multiplayer that gives you medals for double kills and headshots

medals that boost your xp and allow you to unlock stuff, yeah.

also wolfenstein didn't have "WWII" in the title.
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DocileOrangeCup posted...

Darmik posted...

Just like the multiplayer that gives you medals for double kills and headshots

medals that boost your xp and allow you to unlock stuff, yeah.

Just like real life WW2
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I look at my grandfather's Double Kill medal hanging in the hall every day
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Darmik posted...

DocileOrangeCup posted...

Darmik posted...

Just like the multiplayer that gives you medals for double kills and headshots

medals that boost your xp and allow you to unlock stuff, yeah.

Just like real life WW2

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DocileOrangeCup posted...

Darmik posted...

DocileOrangeCup posted...

Darmik posted...

Just like the multiplayer that gives you medals for double kills and headshots

medals that boost your xp and allow you to unlock stuff, yeah.

Just like real life WW2

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Just like race in multiplayer. Ludonarrative dissonance. Guess we all agree.
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ASithLord7 posted...

DocileOrangeCup posted...

Darmik posted...

DocileOrangeCup posted...

Darmik posted...

Just like the multiplayer that gives you medals for double kills and headshots

medals that boost your xp and allow you to unlock stuff, yeah.

Just like real life WW2

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Just like race in multiplayer. Ludonarrative dissonance. Guess we all agree.

hey dont use your fucking big college words on me

but also how is race a gameplay mechanic
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In multiplayer it's fine so long as it's something the player chooses for their own cosmetic decision and not tied to a certain class like in Battlefield 1.

Having only 25% of the British troops being white was fucking silly.
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DocileOrangeCup posted...

ASithLord7 posted...

DocileOrangeCup posted...

Darmik posted...

DocileOrangeCup posted...

Darmik posted...

Just like the multiplayer that gives you medals for double kills and headshots

medals that boost your xp and allow you to unlock stuff, yeah.

Just like real life WW2

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Just like race in multiplayer. Ludonarrative dissonance. Guess we all agree.

hey dont use your fucking big college words on me

but also how is race a gameplay mechanic

Custom characters are a gameplay mechanic. You even mentioned using XP to unlock stuff before.
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weapon_d00d816 posted...

In multiplayer it's fine so long as it's something the player chooses for their own cosmetic decision and not tied to a certain class like in Battlefield 1.

Having only 25% of the British troops being white was fucking silly.

You didn't like playing the Sikh?

He had a turban.
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Darmik posted...

Custom characters are a gameplay mechanic. You even mentioned using XP to unlock stuff before.

custom characters have only been in 2 call of duty games, and what does xp have to do with anything
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DocileOrangeCup posted...

Darmik posted...

Custom characters are a gameplay mechanic. You even mentioned using XP to unlock stuff before.

custom characters have only been in 2 call of duty games, and what does xp have to do with anything

Wouldn't you use XP to customize your soldier? Do you expect all customizations to be historically accurate? Apparently this game has silencers and red dot sights too.
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Darmik posted...

DocileOrangeCup posted...

Darmik posted...

Custom characters are a gameplay mechanic. You even mentioned using XP to unlock stuff before.

custom characters have only been in 2 call of duty games, and what does xp have to do with anything

Wouldn't you use XP to customize your soldier? Do you expect all customizations to be historically accurate?

no, you use xp to level up and either automatically unlock weapons and perks or spend tokens on them. yes.

about the silencers, were there no silencers in WW2? Also im pretty sure they use aperture sights in this one, i may be wrong though.
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DocileOrangeCup posted...

the only thing people can bring up to argue against this are gameplay mechanics and zombies, which has always been set in a different universe.

"Aside from all the times CoD isn't historically accurate, authentic, or realistic CoD is always historically accurate, authentic, and realistic."
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xBloodBrotherx posted...

DocileOrangeCup posted...

the only thing people can bring up to argue against this are gameplay mechanics and zombies, which has always been set in a different universe.

"Aside from all the times CoD isn't historically accurate, authentic, or realistic CoD is always historically accurate, authentic, and realistic."

well to be fair the only cod games i've played were in the near future, far future, or in the case of black ops 1 and WaW, in the past.

also black ops was about spies and shit that was actually going on back then like mind control and space monkeys


and WaW was fuckin awesome and they talked about battles that actually took place. im not saying they were 100% accurate, but they were based in reality, and they also weren't called "COD WWII".


the title bugs me, like if they're not going to make it as realistic as possible, why did they name it that? it's lazy.
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DocileOrangeCup posted...

and WaW was f***in awesome and they talked about battles that actually took place. im not saying they were 100% accurate, but they were based in reality, and they also weren't called "COD WWII".

Yes. The game where a one man army guns down hundreds of opposing soldiers was based in reality. The game featuring a character that's used in a plot twist in Black Ops was based in reality.
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Darmik posted...

DocileOrangeCup posted...

and WaW was f***in awesome and they talked about battles that actually took place. im not saying they were 100% accurate, but they were based in reality, and they also weren't called "COD WWII".

Yes. The game where a one man army guns down hundreds of opposing soldiers was based in reality. The game featuring a character that's used in a plot twist in Black Ops was based in reality.

in what mission are you a one man army gunning down hundreds of soldiers?

also if you finished black ops you'd know why the second line wasn't that crazy.
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DocileOrangeCup posted...

in what mission are you a one man army gunning down hundreds of soldiers?

All of them.

DocileOrangeCup posted...

also if you finished black ops you'd know why the second line wasn't that crazy.

Reznov was a real man? Is Captain Price real too?
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Darmik posted...

All of them.

nope. in all the missions where you are fighting against large forces, you are in a team, iirc.

Darmik posted...

Reznov was a real man?

no, that's the whole point

did you even play these games?
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DocileOrangeCup posted...

nope. in all the missions where you are fighting against large forces, you are in a team, iirc.

A team who do jack shit outside of barking orders and kicking down doors while you gun everyone down.

DocileOrangeCup posted...

did you even play these games?

Err no. The twist was he wasn't real in most of Black Ops because he died in the prison escape. Pretty sure he was supposed to be real in WaW.
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Darmik posted...

A team who do jack shit outside of barking orders and kicking down doors while you gun everyone down.

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Darmik posted...

Err no. The twist was he wasn't real in most of Black Ops because he died in the prison escape. Pretty sure he was supposed to be real in WaW.

I FUCKIN KNOW THAT You were saying oh reznov is really real because he's in the story and it's based off of a real thing. It's called a story. And you can't have shit as outlandish as black lady nazis in a game literally called WWII. if it was called "our take on WWII" then okay whatever.


also your teammates helped you wtf are you talking shit on bowman
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ASithLord7 posted...

AugustAdoulin posted...

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AugustAdoulin posted...

God forbid we put black peoples in the vidya games

Put them in games, that's not an issue. But at least try to keep some historical accuracy in a historical game... Come on now, a black female Nazi? Would never happen...

most of the historical shit in these shooters isn't accurate to begin with.

Not to mention it's multiplayer, not a historical simulation.

Are you saying world war 2 wasn't multiplayer? Read the history books.
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DocileOrangeCup posted...

I f***IN KNOW THAT You were saying oh reznov is really real because he's in the story and it's based off of a real thing. It's called a story. And you can't have s*** as outlandish as black lady nazis in a game literally called WWII. if it was called "our take on WWII" then okay whatever.

Mate I'm not the one trying to pretend that COD is some historically accurate game. It's a blockbuster franchise that's all 'hoorah marines' over war and you have fun shooting people. It has silly characters like Price and a cheesy ass storyline. It's popcorn fun. That's it. It's not the fucking History Channel in campaign never mind the multiplayer.

And black female Nazi's aren't even in the campaign as far as we know. They're in the multi mode that scraps away references to Nazi's. Big whoop. It's even less 'historically accurate' than the campaign. That's why you're running around with a bunch of perks gunning people down, regenerating health and respawning. The multi mode is about shooting strangers online and having fun. It's not about recreating actual world war 2 battles with actual world war 2 soldiers. That's why you're gonna be able to kill people with throwing knives. That's why there are fun modes like free for all, gun game and zombie Nazi's.

Did you get upset that superheroes appeared in World War movies too?! Oh no they didn't clarify it wasn't supposed to be real!
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So at what point can a person criticize decisions like this? I don't give a shit about this, and I doubt historical accuracy is what most people complaing really care about, but where is the line? Can I complain about a black female Hitler? What about if you play as a Nazi and end up winning the war? Maybe Japan dropped nukes on the US?


From this topic it seems like you could dismiss criticisms of any of those things with "multiplayer" and "video game stuff".


Edit: And let's be real here, anyone thinking CoD is going for an extremely realistic WW2 game are fooling themselves.
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Darmik posted...

That's why you're running around with a bunch of perks gunning people down, regenerating health and respawning.

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Darmik posted...

Did you get upset that superheroes appeared in World War movies too?!

you mean super hero movies set in world war 2

Darmik posted...

They're in the multi mode that scraps away references to Nazi's

where does it scrap away references to nazis

besides the stupid ass missing swastika

and you're comparing the mw series to waw and the black ops series, when the mw games were way more "michael bay" than the treyarch games.

it's like you have to get all bent out of shape when i just acknowledge how stupid these things are. i mean you have a fucking game with WWII in the title without the swastika, whilst on the other hand you have wolfenstein which has full on KKK members and giant swastikas everywhere.

I just hate how every piece of media feels the need to shoehorn a women into the mix nowadays.
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shnangyboos posted...

So at what point can a person criticize decisions like this?

Everyone's free to criticize whatever, but that doesn't mean your criticism is free from... criticism.
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DocileOrangeCup posted...

where does it scrap away references to Nazis

besides the stupid ass missing swastika

That's a pretty big 'besides'

DocileOrangeCup posted...

and you're comparing the mw series to waw and the black ops series, when the mw games were way more "michael bay" than the treyarch games.

And yet they were in the same canon and used the same characters because nobody gives a shit.

DocileOrangeCup posted...

it's like you have to get all bent out of shape when i just acknowledge how stupid these things are. i mean you have a f***ing game with WWII in the title without the swastika, whilst on the other hand you have wolfenstein which has full on KKK members and giant swastikas everywhere.

Err the swastikas are in the campaign. They're just not in multiplayer. Wolfenstein never cared about being accurate about World War 2 either and the game is stupidly fun because of it.

shnangyboos posted...

From this topic it seems like you could dismiss criticisms of any of those things with "multiplayer" and "video game stuff".

It really depends on what the game is aiming to do. Gears of War is a gritty game but yet in the multiplayer you can play as zombie characters and use pink guns. Nobody cares. Nothing about the multi mode is meant to be 'canon'

Battlefield does seem to make a bigger effort at being more accurate so it makes more sense there. Likewise being able to have pink Stormtroopers in the multi in BF2 could look silly (who knows if this will happen). These games try to make you feel like you're in huge immersive battles.

COD tends to put fun and silliness as the priority in multi. That's why you get these silly emblems, zombie modes and celebrity announcers. The game is arcade fun for the most part. I never thought I'd see the day when someone would care about accuracy in a Call of Duty game. The franchise is way different to what it was 10 years ago.
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Lightsasori posted...

shnangyboos posted...

So at what point can a person criticize decisions like this?

Everyone's free to criticize whatever, but that doesn't mean your criticism is free from... criticism.

That's true. I think the real issue is the motives of your criticism.
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shnangyboos posted...

So at what point can a person criticize decisions like this? I don't give a shit about this, and I doubt historical accuracy is what most people complaing really care about, but where is the line? Can I complain about a black female Hitler? What about if you play as a Nazi and end up winning the war? Maybe Japan dropped nukes on the US?


From this topic it seems like you could dismiss criticisms of any of those things with "multiplayer" and "video game stuff".

What if there's some particular WW2 battle you play that's based on a real battle.
You're just doing a regular TDM and when the time/score limit is reached the winning team isn't the one that actually won irl.
WELP immersion = broken I can never play it again.
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they should totally throw away accuracy. Give everyone jump packs and honey badgers with diamond camo and laser sights cuz why not. Its just multiplayer
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SH_expert44 posted...

they should totally throw away accuracy. Give everyone jump packs and honey badgers with diamond camo and laser sights cuz why not. Its just multiplayer

Which is exactly what they've done for like the last 3-4 years.
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Darmik posted...

And yet they were in the same canon and used the same characters because nobody gives a shit.

when?


Darmik posted...

Err the swastikas are in the campaign. They're just not in multiplayer. Wolfenstein never cared about being accurate about World War 2 either and the game is stupidly fun because of it.

where does it say this? they showed campaign footage and it all featured the iron cross.


it's just hard to get immersed in a ww2 shooter when there are chicks everywhere (and the pick the most annoying voices for them too) and no swastikas, it doesn't feel right.
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Slip-N-Slide posted...

SH_expert44 posted...

they should totally throw away accuracy. Give everyone jump packs and honey badgers with diamond camo and laser sights cuz why not. Its just multiplayer

Which is exactly what they've done for like the last 3-4 years.

which have all been future games.
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DocileOrangeCup posted...

when?

Reznov is in both World at War and the Black Ops game. They're in the same canon.

Likewise Price appears in both COD2 and Modern Warfare even though it makes no sense.

DocileOrangeCup posted...

where does it say this? they showed campaign footage and it all featured the iron cross.

I'm sure the devs have confirmed that the swastikas appear in the campaign.

DocileOrangeCup posted...

it's just hard to get immersed in a ww2 shooter when there are chicks everywhere (and the pick the most annoying voices for them too) and no swastikas, it doesn't feel right.

I don't find anything about COD multi immersive.
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you motherfuckers need some pussy or something

getting this worked up over a damn video game

Lets hate on a game where the current one we have jetpacks and are fighting in space with laser guns because the new one, set in WW2, isn't 100% accurate.

It also has silencers on like every gun, you know how ridiculous that looks? Nazis didn't have silencers on MP40's in WW2 lol.

Just buy it or don't, I'm gonna enjoy the fuck out of it from what I've seen so far. Not gonna pay full price, but I don't typically pay full price for any games.
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Darmik posted...

Reznov is in both World at War and the Black Ops game. They're in the same canon.

both made by treyarch. black ops one is kind of a sequel to waw

Darmik posted...

Likewise Price appears in both COD2 and Modern Warfare even though it makes no sense.

different price, they only share the name and moustache, and both were made by IW


Darmik posted...

I'm sure the devs have confirmed that the swastikas appear in the campaign.

i haven't seen anything about that.

Darmik posted...

I don't find anything about COD multi immersive.

well that's you, man. I loved the gritty feeling of WaW. that's something they've never recreated.
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DocileOrangeCup posted...

well that's you, man. I loved the gritty feeling of WaW. that's something they've never recreated.

The filter, the sound, the limbs getting blown off.

I thought that they could have made Blops "darker" but they saw the success of MW2 and decided they wanted to make the MP like an 80/90s action movie.
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yemmy posted...

DocileOrangeCup posted...

well that's you, man. I loved the gritty feeling of WaW. that's something they've never recreated.

The filter, the sound, the limbs getting blown off.

I thought that they could have made Blops "darker" but they saw the success of MW2 and decided they wanted to make the MP like an 80/90s action movie.

yeah no other cod was able to capture the atmosphere of WaW. the maps were awesome and the voice acting was top notch.
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DocileOrangeCup posted...

both made by treyarch. black ops one is kind of a sequel to waw

Yes which is my point. They obviously aren't pursuing historical accuracy. Black Ops was set during the Vietnam and Cold War by the way.

DocileOrangeCup posted...

different price, they only share the name and moustache, and both were made by IW

Which again isn't based on anything real because that's not the intent.

DocileOrangeCup posted...

i haven't seen anything about that.

https://i.redd.it/ypme37pz8g3z.jpg

DocileOrangeCup posted...

well that's you, man. I loved the gritty feeling of WaW. that's something they've never recreated.

Well they're not trying to.

Personally I think COD multi is about as 'video gamey' as you can possibly get for an FPS outside of something like Unreal Tournament.
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Pfft

I guess ya'll forgot about the tanks and the MP40 dominating throughout the lifespan of the game?

Luckily Sledgehammer isn't nearly as bad with balance so hopefully this will be better
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Darmik posted...

Yes which is my point. They obviously aren't pursuing historical accuracy. Black Ops was set during the Vietnam and Cold War by the way.

ok? when did i say that it wasn't?


Darmik posted...

Which again isn't based on anything real because that's not the intent.

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Darmik posted...

https://i.redd.it/ypme37pz8g3z.jpg

well that's really dumb.

Darmik posted...

Well they're not trying to.

Personally I think COD multi is about as 'video gamey' as you can possibly get for an FPS outside of something like Unreal Tournament.

that only really started with mw2/3.
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for fuck's sake are y'all arguing with Darmik again
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thompsontalker7 posted...

for fuck's sake are y'all arguing with Darmik again

im sorry ill try to stop
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