Current Events > girl tries to use guy on a "date ". plan back fires.

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Just because women don't want you doesn't mean you can't be a productive member of society.

Therein lies part of the problem though, a lot of guys see no reason to be productive members of society if it "won't amount to anything" in their eyes when they still end up ignored and alone. It's at that point where some "go the other way" so to speak while others just commit suicide, very few will bother to continue with life when they feel it's an objective waste in their opinion. It gets even worse when they're pelted constantly with the notion that they "should" be married or had sex by a certain age, or they're automatic and forever losers who "should" kill themselves or opt out of society. (IE: Their lives are an objective waste in *others* opinions.)

Basically, a lot of men have been lead to believe there's only a few ways to "win" at life, and that virtually all of them hinge on a woman being involved, and anything deviant or lesser than those accepted victory conditions won't count, and that forfeit is the only option left for them. It's an unhealthy way for them to think, but a lot of them legitimately don't know any better and end up bitter instead of considering alternate routes.

As well, and by comparison, something like feminism emboldens a woman's independence and regards men as an optional factor in their lives if they choose to pursue them, whereas there isn't really a viable outlet that encourages the same notion in men to not feel so dependent on women for their personal achievements. I mean... MGTOW could have done it, but they dropped the ball hard and fast with their "red-pillers" and such. (Whereas it took until the rise of SJWs to finally give feminism a black mark on their record.)
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pinky0926 posted...

That_Happened posted...

Godnorgosh posted...

I think the mentality here is, that's all well and good, just stop expecting me to pay for your food all the time, that's bullshit.

So don't date women who expect you to pay for their food. There are a lot of them out there.

This guy summed it up in the most fair and non women-hating way to a female audience:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71o3hq6iSPM

That guy put it out there very well.
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pinky0926 posted...

Here's the 100% pinky approved method for dealing with this scenario (also known as the normal human male method):

On a first date, go somewhere you can easily afford the entire date between two people if necessary. Generally this means a drinks date or a light wine and cheese date. A couple of drinks and maybe some shared chips should not be a problem (if it is, maybe sort out your financial situation instead of your love life first). At the end of the date, ask for the bill. Now, since you asked for this date in this scenario, it's more or less on you to pay for it if need be. But watch her behaviour at this point. Does she make a comment to help pay? Does she ever get a round of drinks? Does she even bother to take out her purse in a token gesture?

This is exactly it.

As a guy, you're often the one tasked with picking the place for the date. This gives you the power to pick a place you can afford, or even an activity that's free. If you're picking fancy restaurants that cost $150 on a first date, that's on you. If you're on the date, and the woman is insisting on you spending money you don't want to spend, you say no. It's literally the same thing we expect them to do about unwanted sexual advances. You're not a victim if you willingly go along with something you don't want to do.
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The Catgirl Fondler posted...

Just because women don't want you doesn't mean you can't be a productive member of society.

Therein lies part of the problem though, a lot of guys see no reason to be productive members of society if it "won't amount to anything" in their eyes when they still end up ignored and alone. It's at that point where some "go the other way" so to speak while others just commit suicide, very few will bother to continue with life when they feel it's an objective waste in their opinion. It gets even worse when they're pelted constantly with the notion that they "should" be married or had sex by a certain age, or they're automatic and forever losers who "should" kill themselves or opt out of society. (IE: Their lives are an objective waste in *others* opinions.)

Basically, a lot of men have been lead to believe there's only a few ways to "win" at life, and that virtually all of them hinge on a woman being involved, and anything deviant or lesser than those accepted victory conditions won't count, and that forfeit is the only option left for them. It's an unhealthy way for them to think, but a lot of them legitimately don't know any better and end up bitter instead of considering alternate routes.

As well, and by comparison, something like feminism emboldens a woman's independence and regards men as an optional factor in their lives if they choose to pursue them, whereas there isn't really a viable outlet that encourages the same notion in men to not feel so dependent on women for their personal achievements. I mean... MGTOW could have done it, but they dropped the ball hard and fast with their "red-pillers" and such. (Whereas it took until the rise of SJWs to finally give feminism a black mark on their record.)

This is a good post.

I would say that men should be taught to help others. Mentor kids. Coach sports/games. Lead. Volunteer or help the less fortunate. All of those things can be rewarding, and none of them require being in a relationship.
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Women priviledge. But you have to blame the desperate male dogs too. Most will pay and expect the relationship to advance. But the bitches are just taking advantage.
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pinky0926 posted...

That_Happened posted...

Godnorgosh posted...

I think the mentality here is, that's all well and good, just stop expecting me to pay for your food all the time, that's bullshit.

So don't date women who expect you to pay for their food. There are a lot of them out there.

This guy summed it up in the most fair and non women-hating way to a female audience:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71o3hq6iSPM

This guy in the video speak the truth
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Spoilers, men can reject women.
I was on a blind date once and I had to give her the coldest shoulder because I wasn't interested, at all.
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I don't think he's being used if he willingly goes to the restaurant...but he did dodge a bullet.


He's saving money and knows not to go along with her next time when she mysteriously shows up again (which I doubt.) as well as looking out for that type of behavior from any women he tries getting with for that matter.
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When I was single I ALWAYS offered to pay the tab, even told numerous woman to "put your purse away" when they insisted on covering. I let them use me for a meal because best believe they were getting used for sex and likely not hearing from me again.
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The Admiral posted...

pinky0926 posted...

Here's the 100% pinky approved method for dealing with this scenario (also known as the normal human male method):

On a first date, go somewhere you can easily afford the entire date between two people if necessary. Generally this means a drinks date or a light wine and cheese date. A couple of drinks and maybe some shared chips should not be a problem (if it is, maybe sort out your financial situation instead of your love life first). At the end of the date, ask for the bill. Now, since you asked for this date in this scenario, it's more or less on you to pay for it if need be. But watch her behaviour at this point. Does she make a comment to help pay? Does she ever get a round of drinks? Does she even bother to take out her purse in a token gesture?

This is exactly it.

As a guy, you're often the one tasked with picking the place for the date. This gives you the power to pick a place you can afford, or even an activity that's free. If you're picking fancy restaurants that cost $150 on a first date, that's on you. If you're on the date, and the woman is insisting on you spending money you don't want to spend, you say no. It's literally the same thing we expect them to do about unwanted sexual advances. You're not a victim if you willingly go along with something you don't want to do.

the above are darkman approved posts

my first date with my wife was two beers at some underage bar i could actually get her into followed by a late night meal at my place that i cooked myself. cost less than $20.

that was consistent with most first dates I arranged: drinks, with the possibility of a private hangout afterward if there was a strong connection.

the next morning she told me she'd cook for me next time, and she did.
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Darkman124 posted...

Pastryarchy posted...

And some men demonstrate similar tactics; it's just more often about ditching the woman after sex.

Indeed. Women fear being used for sex. Men fear being used for resources.

It shows that sex really is very commodified by everyone.

Which also really conforms to traditional gender roles.
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Asked to buy her a drink she hollered Dom perignon
Known I'm a cash getter still I remain calm. Bitch was smiling till the bill missed me. That's what ya get for trying to dick me.
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Sexypwnstar posted...

This guy in the video speak the truth

Indeed.

But I can't help but feel if he wasn't an attractive as fuck dude with a great accent the audience would have reacted much much much more negatively.
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A lot of blue piller cucks ITT. You blue pill guys need to understand that you can't "alpha" the system. One bad mistake and you're screwed. Try to "man up" in court and see how that works for you. She only has to make one phone call.

We'll see you tradcucks back in about 3 years when your gf/wife runs off with someone else, takes half your stuff, and you are getting reamed in the family courts for child support, or in criminal court for a false rape/dv charge.

MGTOW will be waiting for you with open arms.
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Akron_Bob posted...

A lot of blue piller cucks ITT. You blue pill guys need to understand that you can't "alpha" the system. One bad mistake and you're screwed. Try to "man up" in court and see how that works for you. She only has to make one phone call.

We'll see you tradcucks back in about 3 years when your gf/wife runs off with someone else, takes half your stuff, and you are getting reamed in the family courts for child support, or in criminal court for a false rape/dv charge.

MGTOW will be waiting for you with open arms.

Lmao

Axiom posted...

Akron_Bob posted...

A lot of blue piller cucks ITT. You blue pill guys need to understand that you can't "alpha" the system. One bad mistake and you're screwed. Try to "man up" in court and see how that works for you. She only has to make one phone call.

We'll see you tradcucks back in about 3 years when your gf/wife runs off with someone else, takes half your stuff, and you are getting reamed in the family courts for child support, or in criminal court for a false rape/dv charge.

MGTOW will be waiting for you with open arms.

Lmao

What are you laughing at? The facts?
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Akron_Bob posted...

A lot of blue piller cucks ITT. You blue pill guys need to understand that you can't "alpha" the system. One bad mistake and you're screwed. Try to "man up" in court and see how that works for you. She only has to make one phone call.

We'll see you tradcucks back in about 3 years when your gf/wife runs off with someone else, takes half your stuff, and you are getting reamed in the family courts for child support, or in criminal court for a false rape/dv charge.

MGTOW will be waiting for you with open arms.

I have no idea what the fuck this guy is even saying
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CanuckCowboy posted...

Akron_Bob posted...

A lot of blue piller cucks ITT. You blue pill guys need to understand that you can't "alpha" the system. One bad mistake and you're screwed. Try to "man up" in court and see how that works for you. She only has to make one phone call.

We'll see you tradcucks back in about 3 years when your gf/wife runs off with someone else, takes half your stuff, and you are getting reamed in the family courts for child support, or in criminal court for a false rape/dv charge.

MGTOW will be waiting for you with open arms.

I have no idea what the fuck this guy is even saying

@CanuckCowboy

He's saying that you delusional people(aka typical people who think that you just need confidence to get women) need to understand that as a guy, you're screwed. Especially in the court system, where even women have the advantage and far more leniency.

He's also saying that it's a shit ton more likely for a woman to screw you over, get custody over children, have you pay child support or even be hit with a false rape charge.

It also doesn't matter if you've "been together a long time."

Love is a chemical reaction in the brain that lessens and lessens in power until the chemical reaction is gone, 100% of the time! No exceptions!

Women are more emotional than men, so when that chemical reaction dies down, they look for that next emotional high.

Maybe not actively, but as soon as another guy unlocks that chemical reaction, she's not gonna be as loyal as she was before. And with smartphones and social media, even average girls get hit on more times than hotties did years ago. Their ego grows as their Facebook friends list grows.

When a woman is no longer feeling that chemical stimulation from her partner, she's going to be much more susceptible to cheating with another man that does elicit those feelings again. Probably with one of her FB friends.

It also doesn't matter what you've done for her before.

BRIFFAULT’S LAW:

The female, not the male, determines all the conditions of the animal family. Where the female can derive no benefit from association with the male, no such association takes place.

There are a few corollaries I would add:

Past benefit provided by the male does not provide for continued or future association.

Any agreement where the male provides a current benefit in return for a promise of future association is null and void as soon as the male has provided the benefit (see corollary 1)

A promise of future benefit has limited influence on current/future association, with the influence inversely proportionate to the length of time until the benefit will be given and directly proportionate to the degree to which the female trusts the male (which is not bloody likely).

So as a man, where is my security in all this? I can be screwed over in many different ways by engaging in a relationship with a modern woman.

"So don't date bimbos/gold diggers/bad girls/psychos!!1one+shift+eleven!11"

Every woman is looking for the next best thing. So, your "good girl" unicorn that is "different from the rest" may turn on you when they no longer want you or need you.

And the courts don't care.
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Akron_Bob posted...

It also doesn't matter if you've "been together a long time."

Love is a chemical reaction in the brain that lessens and lessens in power until the chemical reaction is gone, 100% of the time! No exceptions!

Women are more emotional than men, so when that chemical reaction dies down, they look for that next emotional high.

Maybe not actively, but as soon as another guy unlocks that chemical reaction, she's not gonna be as loyal as she was before. And with smartphones and social media, even average girls get hit on more times than hotties did years ago. Their ego grows as their Facebook friends list grows.

When a woman is no longer feeling that chemical stimulation from her partner, she's going to be much more susceptible to cheating with another man that does elicit those feelings again. Probably with one of her FB friends.

It also doesn't matter what you've done for her before.

BRIFFAULT’S LAW:

The female, not the male, determines all the conditions of the animal family. Where the female can derive no benefit from association with the male, no such association takes place.

There are a few corollaries I would add:

Past benefit provided by the male does not provide for continued or future association.

Any agreement where the male provides a current benefit in return for a promise of future association is null and void as soon as the male has provided the benefit (see corollary 1)

A promise of future benefit has limited influence on current/future association, with the influence inversely proportionate to the length of time until the benefit will be given and directly proportionate to the degree to which the female trusts the male (which is not bloody likely).

So as a man, where is my security in all this? I can be screwed over in many different ways by engaging in a relationship with a modern woman.

"So don't date bimbos/gold diggers/bad girls/psychos!!1one+shift+eleven!11"

Every woman is looking for the next best thing. So, your "good girl" unicorn that is "different from the rest" may turn on you when they no longer want you or need you.

And the courts don't care.

Bro, I really hope you're either trolling or seeing professional help.
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@Akron_Bob shut the fuck up
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well this took off.

But yes that video was on point. girls are okay with getting but not giving.

*guy pays for event*
" that's your job "

* guy wants sex *
" ewww no you perv "

it's funny how quiet they got when he called them out on the bs.



I had a girl ask me out few years back. and first thing I said was 50/50. and she immediately was taken back trying to defend why the guy should pay and how that's whst it is.

I pointed out that that happened at a time where y'all couldn't work.its 2016 now. we both have jobs don't be stupid.

she immediately canceled and called me a fuck boy. 2 weeks later she hits me up and ask to go out again but this time a free event.

my take on 50/50 is. you aren't going to waste my time for free. this separates the classy girls from the trash in my experience
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Paper_Okami posted...

pinky0926 posted...

That_Happened posted...

Godnorgosh posted...

I think the mentality here is, that's all well and good, just stop expecting me to pay for your food all the time, that's bullshit.

So don't date women who expect you to pay for their food. There are a lot of them out there.

This guy summed it up in the most fair and non women-hating way to a female audience:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71o3hq6iSPM

That guy put it out there very well.

lmfao
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I'm going to definitely pay for the first date...why the hell not. If it's shared it's like 2 friends going out. I want to get in them panties so it shows intent.

Don't get me wrong, if I get the vibe that it was just a free lunch then there won't be a second date but it's the price you have to pay

I usually don't start with diner on the first date anyway. First place is usually a bar/movies
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There are a lot fun, affordable (if not free) events you can do on a first date. For example, I live in NYC, and one of the best first date places I've found is the Central Park Zoo. Admission is like $12, you get plenty of time to talk in a relaxed setting, the animals are fun (creates a good atmosphere), and it feels organic. It's also a change of pace from the typical bar scene, so it's usually memorable and well-received.

I'll also check local events sites (like Time Out New York: https://www.timeout.com/newyork) that list plenty of cheap/free events each week that are more original than a bar or dinner.

It isn't even a financial issue for me, but you can certainly have amazingly fun dates without spending a lot of money if you do a little creative thinking or planning. If a girl balks at that and wants you to take her to an expensive place, she's tipped her hand and you can cut it off at that point.
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LookMoneyStatus posted...

CanuckCowboy posted...

Akron_Bob posted...

A lot of blue piller cucks ITT. You blue pill guys need to understand that you can't "alpha" the system. One bad mistake and you're screwed. Try to "man up" in court and see how that works for you. She only has to make one phone call.

We'll see you tradcucks back in about 3 years when your gf/wife runs off with someone else, takes half your stuff, and you are getting reamed in the family courts for child support, or in criminal court for a false rape/dv charge.

MGTOW will be waiting for you with open arms.

I have no idea what the fuck this guy is even saying

@CanuckCowboy

He's saying that you delusional people(aka typical people who think that you just need confidence to get women) need to understand that as a guy, you're screwed. Especially in the court system, where even women have the advantage and far more leniency.

He's also saying that it's a shit ton more likely for a woman to screw you over, get custody over children, have you pay child support or even be hit with a false rape charge.

Well obviously women have an advantage in the courts.

But the rest of that is just shit people tell themselves cause they can't face reality.
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hitokoriX posted...

How did she try and 'use' him? They went on what sounds like a date if she expected him to pay.

If I'm expected to pay, then she's expected to put out.
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The Admiral posted...

HippopotamusRex posted...

averagejoel posted...

HippopotamusRex posted...

The Admiral posted...

HippopotamusRex posted...

Error1355 posted...

CE has such a healthy view on women.

Seriously? Have you any idea of the current gender climate and the problems men are going through? How in the world did you become a lead moderator with an attitude like that?

I'm ignorant to these problems too. Can you enlighten me?

No, because you're a willfully obtuse traditionalist and you think you can just 'man up' and fix it.

It's more the way he said it. In what world do you pick a lead moderator for a site that will go and behave like this to everyone on one side of an issue and just throw flames all over the board? Like seriously, what kind of site representative is that? At least have the foresight NOT to attach an official site pr account to such a post like that.

MGTOW is not a legitimate side of an issue and does not deserve to be treated as such

It's extremely legitimate. Of course if you aren't willing to listen you're making the problem worse. I guarantee you haven't listened to the complaints they have. There's a behavioral structure embedded in the male psyche where they are rewarded for not complaining. So most men know what is going on is bullshit, but they'll either stay silent or give platitudes (or snap like the rare cases of men getting violent which will become more problem as this gets worse). Males are rewarded for shutting up, women are rewarded for complaining, and that formula doesn't change when women get the upper hand. Which creates disaster the further it slides in that direction. Which is what society is seeing now.

You sound like Elliot Rodger with this deliberately vague talk that asserts an injustice you can't seem to explain.

I can't believe I'm agreeing with Addy, but this

Error1355 posted...

CE has such a healthy view on women.

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I haven't read the whole topic because it seems like a waste of time, but there's a clear difference between naivete and cautious optimism. There are gonna be assholes. A person who doesn't aim to take advantage of chivalry would not order the most expensive food there. They'd also not react to requesting separate checks
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hitokoriX posted...

How did she try and 'use' him? They went on what sounds like a date if she expected him to pay.

The original post stated that the girl wanted to go out as friends, not as a date. She then seemed to expect the guy to pay for her meal as if they were on a date. Sounds like she was trying to use the guy, to me.
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Deedice posted...

hitokoriX posted...

How did she try and 'use' him? They went on what sounds like a date if she expected him to pay.

The original post stated that the girl wanted to go out as friends, not as a date. She then seemed to expect the guy to pay for her meal as if they were on a date. Sounds like she was trying to use the guy, to me.

pretty much this. plus her reaction alone
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Akron_Bob posted...

A lot of blue piller cucks ITT. You blue pill guys need to understand that you can't "alpha" the system. One bad mistake and you're screwed. Try to "man up" in court and see how that works for you. She only has to make one phone call.

We'll see you tradcucks back in about 3 years when your gf/wife runs off with someone else, takes half your stuff, and you are getting reamed in the family courts for child support, or in criminal court for a false rape/dv charge.

MGTOW will be waiting for you with open arms.

I like this gimmick
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HylianFox posted...

I'm so fucking glad I'm gay

After reading topics like these, same here.

The Admiral posted...

There are a lot fun, affordable (if not free) events you can do on a first date. For example, I live in NYC, and one of the best first date places I've found is the Central Park Zoo. Admission is like $12, you get plenty of time to talk in a relaxed setting, the animals are fun (creates a good atmosphere), and it feels organic. It's also a change of pace from the typical bar scene, so it's usually memorable and well-received.

I'll also check local events sites (like Time Out New York: https://www.timeout.com/newyork) that list plenty of cheap/free events each week that are more original than a bar or dinner.

It isn't even a financial issue for me, but you can certainly have amazingly fun dates without spending a lot of money if you do a little creative thinking or planning. If a girl balks at that and wants you to take her to an expensive place, she's tipped her hand and you can cut it off at that point.

This is really good advice.