Poll of the Day > so is our moon just named moon

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FatalAccident posted...

its called The Moon

fixed.
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The answer is Luna. It is *a* moon. You could also call it a satellite.

Last time. Luna isn't the name.
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zebatov posted...

The answer is Luna. It is *a* moon. You could also call it a satellite.

it's "The Moon" no "a moon". there is a difference.

like "The White House" and "the white house"
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Doctor Foxx posted...

The Earth is Terra, and the moon is Luna.

Not officially. Same with the sun not officially being called Sol either.
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lol @ this topic!
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zebatov posted...

The answer is Luna. It is *a* moon. You could also call it a satellite.

The distinction between the Moon and a moon is the difference between God and a god or a Liberal and a liberal.
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It's Luna.

Like if someone asked me what someone's name was, I couldn't just say "The human." They asked for a name. Up until recently, we didn't have a well-known name for it.

No, it's not named "just" moon. It had another name a long time ago, and now it's more frequently being called "Luna".

You mean a liberal and the liberal.

ferdk16 posted...

But that's what Luna means, it's not the name of the moon, it's just saying "moon" in another language.

That is what most names are. A word with a meaning.
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Yes. However, as long as it's not been made official, this discussion can go on forever.
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I looked at the moon through a telescope last night. I saw an upside down statue if Micky Mouse spitting out wooden nickels. Which is about as pointless as this topic.
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stop with this pony shit you clopping freak
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But... I don't clop.
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zebatov posted...

You mean a liberal and the liberal.

There is a difference between Liberal and liberal - the former refers to a member of the Liberal Party (which many British Commonwealth countries have), the latter is someone with leftward-leaning tendencies. Similarly "God" is the deity of the Abrahamic religions, whereas "god" is just a generic term for any deity.

Likewise, "moon" is the generic term, "Moon" is our specific moon.

zebatov posted...

Like if someone asked me what someone's name was, I couldn't just say "The human." They asked for a name.

If a person's name actually was, say, "Human Jones", then yes, you absolutely could say "Human" is his name.

I find your argument kind of hilarious, because "Luna" is every bit as generic as "Moon" - you're just using a different language so that it doesn't sound that way to English speaking ears. "Luna" is simply the word for "moon" in Latin, as well as several of its offshoot languages - to someone speaking Italian, Spanish, Corsican, and probably a couple others I'm not aware of, there are many "lunas" floating around their parent planets.

Science fiction writers decided to call the Moon "Luna" (and Earth "Terra" and the Sun "Sol") simply because they sound cooler, even though those are literally just the Latin translations of "Moon", "Earth", and "Sun" (abbreviated) respectively.

zebatov posted...

Up until recently, we didn't have a well-known name for it.

Sure we did - that name is "The Moon". It's even the official recognized name by the International Astronomical Union, which is the body responsible for such things.
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darkknight109 posted...

Sure we did - that name is "The Moon". It's even the official recognized name by the International Astronomical Union, which is the body responsible for such things.

Note that the definitive article is important. It's not just a moon, it's The Moon.

Cruithne be damned.

Questionmarktarius posted...

darkknight109 posted...

Sure we did - that name is "The Moon". It's even the official recognized name by the International Astronomical Union, which is the body responsible for such things.

Note that the definitive article is important. It's not just a moon, it's The Moon.

Cruithne be damned.

Technically it's the capitalization that makes it the proper name - "Moon" vs "moon". To be pedantic, the IAU's official name is just "Moon", not "The Moon" (I may have been sloppy with this earlier in the topic, as I couldn't remember whether the official name included the "The" or not and I didn't bother to look it up until this post). You can read more here:

https://www.iau.org/public/themes/naming/

Specifically:

1976: The names of the then major planets (Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, Pluto) and the Earth's satellite (Moon) appear in IAU Resolution No. 10, which was approved by the XVIth General Assembly of the IAU in Grenoble, France in 1976.

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So the IAU does recognize official names for the major planets (Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune) and Earth's satellite (Moon).

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darkknight109 posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

darkknight109 posted...

Sure we did - that name is "The Moon". It's even the official recognized name by the International Astronomical Union, which is the body responsible for such things.

Note that the definitive article is important. It's not just a moon, it's The Moon.

Cruithne be damned.

Technically it's the capitalization that makes it the proper name - "Moon" vs "moon". To be pedantic, the IAU's official name is just "Moon", not "The Moon". You can read more here:

https://www.iau.org/public/themes/naming/

Specifically:

1976: The names of the then major planets (Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, Pluto) and the Earth's satellite (Moon) appear in IAU Resolution No. 10, which was approved by the XVIth General Assembly of the IAU in Grenoble, France in 1976.

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So the IAU does recognize official names for the major planets (Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune) and Earth's satellite (Moon).

Still, though - fuck Cruithne.

darkknight109 posted...

Science fiction writers decided to call the Moon "Luna" (and Earth "Terra" and the Sun "Sol") simply because they sound cooler, even though those are literally just the Latin translations of "Moon", "Earth", and "Sun" (abbreviated) respectively.

Only thing is that one day we will probably call them by those names one day. In like 500 years when things like that are no longer science fiction.
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You said "a liberal versus a Liberal". That's not the wording in question. The wording in question is "a moon versus The Moon". If someone says "The Moon", we know they mean our moon. If someone says "a moon", we need more information. Since there is no definitive Liberal, we cannot simply say "The Liberal", unless followed by "Party", which in speech, would be the descriptive factor needed.

The comparison was a poor one, because there is no "The Liberal", or even "the liberal". You would never see "a Moon".

Again, OP asked if our moon was just named moon. The answer is no (unofficially). It had a name other than Moon and Luna at one point as well. Luna makes more sense, anyways, since most other planets and moons have Roman or Greek names.

How come Pokemon Pikachu is named Pikachu?
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Lobomoon posted...

How come Pokemon Pikachu is named Pikachu?

I just typed Pikachu in Hiragana into a translator and got "What happiness was". Although, assuming if it were a proper word outside of a name in Katakana, using Kanji would change the meaning even further.

The proper spelling is Pi-Ka-Chi/Yu-U. Have to use hacked-together Hepburn, because GameFAQs in 2017 doesn't accept other char sets.

zebatov posted...

Lobomoon posted...

How come Pokemon Pikachu is named Pikachu?

I just typed Pikachu in Hiragana into a translator and got "What happiness was". Although, assuming if it were a proper word outside of a name in Katakana, using Kanji would change the meaning even further.

The proper spelling is Pi-Ka-Chi/Yu-U. Have to use hacked-together Hepburn, because GameFAQs in 2017 doesn't accept other char sets.

The Japanese use hyphens now?
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Revelation34 posted...

zebatov posted...

Lobomoon posted...

How come Pokemon Pikachu is named Pikachu?

I just typed Pikachu in Hiragana into a translator and got "What happiness was". Although, assuming if it were a proper word outside of a name in Katakana, using Kanji would change the meaning even further.

The proper spelling is Pi-Ka-Chi/Yu-U. Have to use hacked-together Hepburn, because GameFAQs in 2017 doesn't accept other char sets.

The Japanese use hyphens now?

I can't type Kana out on here or it will show up as (seemingly) random characters (code used to make each Kana) because the script doesn't allow for non-Romanised character sets. So, no. But those are what the individual characters look like in Hepburn.

My smart-ass reply would have been "They always have?" They use an extended hyphen to double vowels.

My gf is Japanese, from the south of Honshu, so I've been studying it for about three years.

zebatov posted...

Revelation34 posted...

zebatov posted...

Lobomoon posted...

How come Pokemon Pikachu is named Pikachu?

I just typed Pikachu in Hiragana into a translator and got "What happiness was". Although, assuming if it were a proper word outside of a name in Katakana, using Kanji would change the meaning even further.

The proper spelling is Pi-Ka-Chi/Yu-U. Have to use hacked-together Hepburn, because GameFAQs in 2017 doesn't accept other char sets.

The Japanese use hyphens now?

I can't type Kana out on here or it will show up as (seemingly) random characters (code used to make each Kana) because the script doesn't allow for non-Romanised character sets. So, no. But those are what the individual characters look like in Hepburn.

My smart-ass reply would have been "They always have?" They use an extended hyphen to double vowels.

My gf is Japanese, from the south of Honshu, so I've been studying it for about three years.

That's a macron, not a hyphen.
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The moon's name is Luna, and the Earth's name is Terra.
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Revelation34 posted...

That's a macron, not a hyphen.

Nope. Macron goes above the letter, in some people's version of Romaji. That's English. The hyphen doubles a vowel in Katakana and replaces a "U" at the end of a word in Hiragana. To confirm this, I asked my girlfriend what it was called, and she said "Ha-I-Fu-N" (in Hiragana, which I can't type). Or "haifun" (HI-foon). Which, in English, is hyphen.

Judgmenl posted...

The moon's name is Luna, and the Earth's name is Terra.

Indeed. Terra though I see used less often, though it really does make sense. Even in science fictions where they just call it "The Earth," we are usually referred to as terrans whenever the word human isn't used. Earthling tends to get used mostly in older alien invasion things or cartoons.
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Judgmenl posted...

The moon's name is Luna, and the Earth's name is Terra.

Actually it's Mond and Erde.
See how arbitrary it is to just say it in another language?

darkknight109 posted...

that name is "Moon". It's even the official recognized name by the International Astronomical Union, which is the body responsible for such things.

This is exactly right. The answer is not subjective; it's objective. And this is objectively the correct answer.
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ZBug_ posted...

Actually it's Mond and Erde.
See how arbitrary it is to just say it in another language?

Pretty sure that Terra / Luna are accepted in the scientific community.
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Most people who actually worry about the names of the moon, sun, and earth tend to prefer latin names. Perhaps because it is a dead language and thus "frozen in time" without worry that it will evolve or otherwise change.

Mind you, this is done a little less for the earth than it is the moon and sun.

But yeah, humanity, right? If we had evolved to live in the water, what do you bet we would have named our planet "Wet" or something? Its kind of amusing, what with just about every fictional sci-fi race happening to name their own world something that does NOT translate to a synonym of "ground" or "earth."

Actually, on that note. Have there actually been any fictional aliens, ever, who actually named their planet a name that, in their language, means "earth" or "ground" or something like that?
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darkknight109 posted...

You can read more here:

https://www.iau.org/public/themes/naming/

Specifically:

1976: The names of the then major planets (Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, Pluto) and the Earth's satellite (Moon) appear in IAU Resolution No. 10, which was approved by the XVIth General Assembly of the IAU in Grenoble, France in 1976.

[...]

So the IAU does recognize official names for the major planets (Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune) and Earth's satellite (Moon).

To add to this, for those who still might not get it: Earth's satellite is not "The Moon", it's even not a moon. It's literally "Moon", the one and only.
Other planets do not have Moons; other planets have satellites, each with their own name.
Mars's satellites, for example are named Phobos and Deimos.
To say "they are Mars's Moons" is not wrong but it's not literal either. This is called descriptivism language.
Another example of descriptivism is: "Green Goblin is Spider-Man's Joker". That's not inherently wrong (I'm not trying to debate comics here), but obviously Green Goblin isn't literally Joker either, it's just used as a description (hence 'descriptivism').
The difference here is that most people don't realize that when you say another planet has Moons, it's not literal speech; there's only one Moon, thus other planets couldn't possibly have it. It's just a way to describe the natural satellites of other planets.

Conclusion: in casual or descriptivist language, "moon" is synonymous to "natural satellite". However in more literal language, like that required when talking about the names of specific things, they are completely separate things, as Moon is the literal name of Earth's satellite. It only has that one name, and it is the only satellite with that name.
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Many people just prefer "Luna" because that way you know it is referring explicitly to Earth's moon.

Indeed, in a sci-fi setting where there is another planet with a moon that people live on, the term "the moon" would typically be used to refer to the moon around the planet the speaker is currently on. Likewise with "Sun" really (even if it gets slightly weird sometimes with places like Tatoonie or however its spelled).

"Luna" at this time in our history is never applied to any moon other than the one around our planet.
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how do you untrack your own topic
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helIy posted...

how do you untrack your own topic

By thinking about the consequences before you make topics.
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i'm not the one who didn't know that luna and lunar are two different words though
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helIy posted...

i'm not the one who didn't know that luna and lunar are two different words though

Lunar is the adjective of the root noun Luna.
I'm not the one who's trying to semantically argue that they have separate uncorrelated definitions, when in actuality it simply depends on the tense.

Regardless, my previous post (#83) still stands. Moon is the name of our satellite. Not Luna.
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luna is a name

lunar is a term.

this, what you did here
ZBug_ posted...

Lunar is the adjective of the root noun Luna.

is trying to argue semantics.
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helIy posted...

luna is a noun

lunar is a adjective .

Fix'd
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you didn't fix anything because nothing was wrong with it

very hypocritical of you, however.
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Moon's name is Luna, sun's name is Sol.
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helIy posted...

you didn't fix anything because nothing was wrong with it

very hypocritical of you, however.

"argue that they have separate uncorrelated definitions"
This is the part of your argument that I have a problem with, not
"semantically" <-- that part.

But you can strawman your way through every argument. That's fine.
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now he's arguing semantics about the fucking word "semantics"
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zebatov posted...

Again, OP asked if our moon was just named moon. The answer is no (unofficially).

And "yes" officially (and, to be pedantic, it's named "Moon", not "moon"). Again, the IAU sets the names and it says the official name is "Moon".

Judgmenl posted...

Pretty sure that Terra / Luna are accepted in the scientific community.

They are not. Not if you're going by IAU standards.

In fact, if there's a phrase that is frowned upon (though still grudgingly accepted) in astroscience, it's using "moon" to refer to something other than the Moon. As Zbug mentioned, the proper scientific term for a planetoid that orbits a planet is "satellite", not "moon".
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darkknight109 posted...

zebatov posted...

Again, OP asked if our moon was just named moon. The answer is no (unofficially).

And "yes" officially (and, to be pedantic, it's named "Moon", not "moon"). Again, the IAU sets the names and it says the official name is "Moon".

Judgmenl posted...

Pretty sure that Terra / Luna are accepted in the scientific community.

They are not. Not if you're going by IAU standards.

In fact, if there's a phrase that is frowned upon (though still grudgingly accepted) in astroscience, it's using "moon" to refer to something other than the Moon. As Zbug mentioned, the proper scientific term for a planetoid that orbits a planet is "satellite", not "moon".

Those are the same people who said Pluto isn't a planet.
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Revelation34 posted...

Those are the same people who said Pluto isn't a planet.

And?
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Pluto is too small to be a planet.
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Dumbest 500 topic, 2017.


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