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meingott
05/02/17 1:08:39 PM
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History will look back on this period of time as the start of the greatest period of scientific and technological innovation and progress in human history.

Can't wait to see what the next 20-30 years will bring.
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chill02
05/02/17 1:09:36 PM
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idolization is bad, mmkay
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Mernardi
05/02/17 1:09:54 PM
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chill02 posted...
idolization is bad, mmkay

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emblem boy
05/02/17 1:09:55 PM
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What a time to be alive
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foreveraIone
05/02/17 1:10:02 PM
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Yeah i doubt he's really all that special.
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05/02/17 1:10:30 PM
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meingott
05/02/17 1:11:15 PM
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Mernardi posted...
chill02 posted...
idolization is bad, mmkay


foreveraIone posted...
Yeah i doubt he's really all that special.


lmfao at these clowns
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SK8T3R215
05/02/17 1:16:49 PM
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Elon Musk fanboys are weird.
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meingott
05/02/17 1:17:54 PM
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SK8T3R215 posted...
Elon Musk fanboys are weird.


How is that? Oh wait aren't you the guy who bashes on Tesla because he invested in Ford stock or some shit? lmao
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davyheinz
05/02/17 1:21:29 PM
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Is this topic about how sad TC's life is and how he lives through Elon Musk?
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meingott
05/02/17 1:21:53 PM
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davyheinz posted...
Is this topic about how sad TC's life is and how he lives through Elon Musk?


Found the Enron investor.
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SK8T3R215
05/02/17 1:23:10 PM
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meingott posted...
SK8T3R215 posted...
Elon Musk fanboys are weird.


How is that? Oh wait aren't you the guy who bashes on Tesla because he invested in Ford stock or some shit? lmao


By bashing I assume you mean posting legitimate concerns for investors of Tesla like consistently missing forecasted production targets, the fact other electric cars are coming to the market soon, burning large amounts of cash and folding in another cash burning company in SolarCity and that he is devoting time to other companies as well?

See Musk fanboys can't take any criticism without lashing out.
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Ivynn
05/02/17 1:23:19 PM
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I still think "Elon Musk" sounds like a supervillain name.
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Giant_Aspirin
05/02/17 1:23:55 PM
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i was gonna post a cool GIF of the falcon 9 landing, but i have to address your lack of logic since it's something you claim to value immensely.

meingott posted...
SK8T3R215 posted...
Elon Musk fanboys are weird.


How is that? Oh wait aren't you the guy who bashes on Tesla because he invested in Ford stock or some shit? lmao


since you can't attack his actual argument, you attack the person. logical fallacies 101

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

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Pogo_Marimo
05/02/17 1:24:56 PM
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He could be a contemporary Henry Ford tbqh. Regardless of your opinion on electric cars, he is creating a lot of jobs in America with his super factory and he is investing in the development of potentially game-changing technology. It's a matter of whether or not he succeeds, though.
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chill02
05/02/17 1:25:05 PM
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Ivynn posted...
I still think "Elon Musk" sounds like a supervillain name.


or perfume
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davyheinz
05/02/17 1:25:11 PM
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meingott posted...
davyheinz posted...
Is this topic about how sad TC's life is and how he lives through Elon Musk?


Found the Enron investor.

Lmao, you wish
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Sativa_Rose
05/02/17 1:25:14 PM
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Elon Musk is my personal Jesus.

I'm legitimately thinking about getting a huge poster of him on my wall. I've just gotta find a good pic of him to use cuz I'm gonna be using one of those make your own poster sites
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meingott
05/02/17 1:26:14 PM
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SK8T3R215 posted...
meingott posted...
SK8T3R215 posted...
Elon Musk fanboys are weird.


How is that? Oh wait aren't you the guy who bashes on Tesla because he invested in Ford stock or some shit? lmao


By bashing I assume you mean posting legitimate concerns for investors of Tesla like consistently missing forecasted production targets, the fact other electric cars are coming to the market soon, burning large amounts of cash and folding in another cash burning company in SolarCity and that he is devoting time to other companies as well?

See Musk fanboys can't take any criticism without lashing out.


All those things were already addressed multiple times in these topics, but you always bring them up.

1) It doesn't matter if they miss production targets. They have hundreds of thousands or preorders and people are willing to wait. They have a very faithful and happy group of shareholders and customers. Their products are highly rated.

2) Their goal was to get other car manufacturers to produce electric cars. They even open sourced a lot of their patents, and a lot of companies are using them. One of Tesla's stated goals for a long time has been to push the industry towards making electric vehicles.

3) SolarCity and Tesla are a great marriage, despite SolarCity's cash issues. Their energy gathering and storage solution will be huge in years to come. (Same with their solar roof which will be available within a few months)

4) Who cares if he's spending time at other companies? There are brilliant people at all of those companies. They're achieving great things, even if the CEO's time is split between all of them.
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meingott
05/02/17 1:27:00 PM
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Giant_Aspirin posted...
i was gonna post a cool GIF of the falcon 9 landing, but i have to address your lack of logic since it's something you claim to value immensely.

meingott posted...
SK8T3R215 posted...
Elon Musk fanboys are weird.


How is that? Oh wait aren't you the guy who bashes on Tesla because he invested in Ford stock or some shit? lmao


since you can't attack his actual argument, you attack the person. logical fallacies 101

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

inb4adhominemdirectedatme


He hadn't even posted an argument at the time I responded to him, you illiterate child.
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meingott
05/02/17 1:27:19 PM
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Sativa_Rose posted...
Elon Musk is my personal Jesus.

I'm legitimately thinking about getting a huge poster of him on my wall. I've just gotta find a good pic of him to use cuz I'm gonna be using one of those make your own poster sites


<_< That's a little too far, fam.
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Giant_Aspirin
05/02/17 1:28:07 PM
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meingott posted...
Giant_Aspirin posted...
i was gonna post a cool GIF of the falcon 9 landing, but i have to address your lack of logic since it's something you claim to value immensely.

meingott posted...
SK8T3R215 posted...
Elon Musk fanboys are weird.


How is that? Oh wait aren't you the guy who bashes on Tesla because he invested in Ford stock or some shit? lmao


since you can't attack his actual argument, you attack the person. logical fallacies 101

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

inb4adhominemdirectedatme


He hadn't even posted an argument at the time I responded to him, you illiterate child.


*since you can't attack his actual statement

there, you pedant

and since you can't critique the substance of what i said, you get pedantic and nitpick the misuse of a word that has no real bearing on my point. notice how you completely failed to address the obvious logical fallacy you committed. for someone who values logic as much as you claim, that's a big no-no.
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emblem boy
05/02/17 1:29:32 PM
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meingott posted...
Sativa_Rose posted...
Elon Musk is my personal Jesus.

I'm legitimately thinking about getting a huge poster of him on my wall. I've just gotta find a good pic of him to use cuz I'm gonna be using one of those make your own poster sites


<_< That's a little too far, fam.


You know you already have multiple posters of him in your work cubicle and in your bedroom proudclad
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meingott
05/02/17 1:29:39 PM
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Giant_Aspirin posted...
meingott posted...
Giant_Aspirin posted...
i was gonna post a cool GIF of the falcon 9 landing, but i have to address your lack of logic since it's something you claim to value immensely.

meingott posted...
SK8T3R215 posted...
Elon Musk fanboys are weird.


How is that? Oh wait aren't you the guy who bashes on Tesla because he invested in Ford stock or some shit? lmao


since you can't attack his actual argument, you attack the person. logical fallacies 101

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

inb4adhominemdirectedatme


He hadn't even posted an argument at the time I responded to him, you illiterate child.


*since you can't attack his actual statement

there, you pedant


So you admit that you don't even know what ad hominem is, then? Ad hominem is when you attack the person rather than their argument. He made no argument at the time of that response. Do you understand now why it's pretty bizarre and weird that you follow me around to post passive aggressive shit like this? That's twice in one morning.
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Giant_Aspirin
05/02/17 1:31:27 PM
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meingott posted...
Ad hominem is when you attack the person rather than their argument. He made no argument at the time of that response.


see:

Giant_Aspirin posted...
and since you can't critique the substance of what i said, you get pedantic and nitpick the misuse of a word that has no real bearing on my point. notice how you completely failed to address the obvious logical fallacy you committed. for someone who values logic as much as you claim, that's a big no-no.



meingott posted...
Do you understand now why it's pretty bizarre and weird that you follow me around to post passive aggressive shit like this? That's twice in one morning.


i actually came into the topic to post a cool GIF of the Falcon 9 landing, then I noticed you committing fallacies so i had to step in
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meingott
05/02/17 1:32:26 PM
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Giant_Aspirin posted...
meingott posted...
Ad hominem is when you attack the person rather than their argument. He made no argument at the time of that response.



Giant_Aspirin posted...
and since you can't critique the substance of what i said, you get pedantic and nitpick the misuse of a word that has no real bearing on my point. notice how you completely failed to address the obvious logical fallacy you committed. for someone who values logic as much as you claim, that's a big no-no.



meingott posted...
Do you understand now why it's pretty bizarre and weird that you follow me around to post passive aggressive shit like this? That's twice in one morning.


i actually came into the topic to post a cool GIF of the Falcon 9 landing, then I noticed you committing fallacies so i had to step in


It literally was not an ad hominem fallacy, because he had not posted an argument. When he posted an argument, I addressed it. That's how simple this is.
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Intro2Logic
05/02/17 1:33:11 PM
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By your logic, you have proved my point
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Giant_Aspirin
05/02/17 1:33:16 PM
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I missed a golden opportunity to accuse him of clowning around. for shame.
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foreveraIone
05/02/17 1:33:58 PM
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How big is Elon's penis?
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SK8T3R215
05/02/17 1:36:43 PM
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meingott posted...
1) It doesn't matter if they miss production targets. They have hundreds of thousands or preorders and people are willing to wait. They have a very faithful and happy group of shareholders and customers. Their products are highly rated.


Lmao so basically not producing cars based on their forecast doesn't matter to investors looking for a return on their investments? So they can just produce what they please and investors will be fine with losing money for 5+ years?

meingott posted...
2) Their goal was to get other car manufacturers to produce electric cars. They even open sourced a lot of their patents, and a lot of companies are using them. One of Tesla's stated goals for a long time has been to push the industry towards making electric vehicles.


Ok that's nice but for INVESTORS they want a return on their investment. This is juice for Elon Musk but investors won't really like losing their investment if other companies capitalize on electric cars.

meingott posted...
3) SolarCity and Tesla are a great marriage, despite SolarCity's cash issues. Their energy gathering and storage solution will be huge in years to come. (Same with their solar roof which will be available within a few months)


I mean if they can produce it based on their forecasts, bring down the prices and deal with foreign solar panel makers dumping in the US. But all it does in the near term is increase Tesla's need for cash which dilutes investors further.

meingott posted...
4) Who cares if he's spending time at other companies? There are brilliant people at all of those companies. They're achieving great things, even if the CEO's time is split between all of them.


Well investors of Tesla which want him to get production up before other companies start introducing cars and Tesla loses its first mover advantage.
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Sativa_Rose
05/02/17 1:39:44 PM
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I don't care if you aren't convinced of Tesla's future success. That's your loss.

Elon Musk is #1 most inspiring figure I am looking towards for inspiration when it comes to this new idea for a company that I've been working on this past week or so. I'm not sure how many details I want to release at this time, but it involves a combination of renewable energy and seasonal energy storage.
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meingott
05/02/17 1:43:29 PM
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SK8T3R215 posted...
Lmao so basically not producing cars based on their forecast doesn't matter to investors looking for a return on their investments? So they can just produce what they please and investors will be fine with losing money for 5+ years?


http://imgur.com/a/57uvf

SK8T3R215 posted...
Ok that's nice but for INVESTORS they want a return on their investment. This is juice for Elon Musk but investors won't really like losing their investment if other companies capitalize on electric cars.


http://imgur.com/a/57uvf

SK8T3R215 posted...
I mean if they can produce it based on their forecasts, bring down the prices and deal with foreign solar panel makers dumping in the US. But all it does in the near term is increase Tesla's need for cash which dilutes investors further.


http://imgur.com/a/57uvf

Tesla will have plenty of cash for the forseeable future. Especially as Tesla and SolarCity ramp up delivery of new cars, storage solutions, solar panels, solar roofs, etc.

http://www.businessinsider.com/teslas-first-quarter-earnings-preview-2017-5

They're on pace, they're increasing revenue. It's a matter of time until they become one of the most profitable companies around.

SK8T3R215 posted...
Well investors of Tesla which want him to get production up before other companies start introducing cars and Tesla loses its first mover advantage.


How many times do I have to repeat that Tesla knowingly and purposely open sourced its patents, which it had has a result of being the first mover, so that the entire industry could move towards making electric cars? They don't care if someone else produces a good electric car before they release their Model 3 or their semi truck.
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legendarylemur
05/02/17 1:43:47 PM
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His personal life sounds like it sucks ass though. Personally, I can only worship a guy who has his life and innovation of mankind under control
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meingott
05/02/17 1:44:17 PM
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Sativa_Rose posted...
I don't care if you aren't convinced of Tesla's future success. That's your loss.

Elon Musk is #1 most inspiring figure I am looking towards for inspiration when it comes to this new idea for a company that I've been working on this past week or so. I'm not sure how many details I want to release at this time, but it involves a combination of renewable energy and seasonal energy storage.


Yeah man, he's super inspiring. And so are the people who work with him. The companies are full of brilliant hardworking individuals.

Congrats on your new business idea!
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Mal_Fet
05/02/17 1:44:25 PM
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foreveraIone posted...
How big is Elon's penis?

Big enough.

Even if it's just 4 inches, it's big enough.
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treewojima
05/02/17 1:45:15 PM
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if you touch his peepee, he might give you an internship
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FrenchCrunch
05/02/17 1:45:23 PM
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meingott posted...
davyheinz posted...
Is this topic about how sad TC's life is and how he lives through Elon Musk?


Found the Enron investor.

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Sativa_Rose
05/02/17 1:47:29 PM
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meingott posted...
Sativa_Rose posted...
I don't care if you aren't convinced of Tesla's future success. That's your loss.

Elon Musk is #1 most inspiring figure I am looking towards for inspiration when it comes to this new idea for a company that I've been working on this past week or so. I'm not sure how many details I want to release at this time, but it involves a combination of renewable energy and seasonal energy storage.


Yeah man, he's super inspiring. And so are the people who work with him. The companies are full of brilliant hardworking individuals.

Congrats on your new business idea!


Thanks. And yeah, people should really only try to work at an Elon Musk company if they feel dedicated enough to the mission to dedicate a huge huge proportion of their life to it. With a lot of these founders, they are so obsessed with their companies that it's hard for them to not expect the people around them to at least be somewhat the same way.
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meingott
05/02/17 1:48:20 PM
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Sativa_Rose posted...
meingott posted...
Sativa_Rose posted...
I don't care if you aren't convinced of Tesla's future success. That's your loss.

Elon Musk is #1 most inspiring figure I am looking towards for inspiration when it comes to this new idea for a company that I've been working on this past week or so. I'm not sure how many details I want to release at this time, but it involves a combination of renewable energy and seasonal energy storage.


Yeah man, he's super inspiring. And so are the people who work with him. The companies are full of brilliant hardworking individuals.

Congrats on your new business idea!


Thanks. And yeah, people should really only try to work at an Elon Musk company if they feel dedicated enough to the mission to dedicate a huge huge proportion of their life to it. With a lot of these founders, they are so obsessed with their companies that it's hard for them to not expect the people around them to at least be somewhat the same way.


Besides some bad eggs, everyone who works there is 100% on board with the company's mission. It's super inspiring. People there live and breath the cutting edge of the science and technology that are making these things achievable.
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chill02
05/02/17 1:48:46 PM
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sounds like a cult
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meingott
05/02/17 1:49:46 PM
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chill02 posted...
sounds like a cult


A cult that changed the automotive industry and the rocketry industry.
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faizan_faizan
05/02/17 1:52:15 PM
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That guy can barely give a speech in front of an audience.
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Sativa_Rose
05/02/17 1:53:34 PM
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faizan_faizan posted...
That guy can barely give a speech in front of an audience.


When someone is only able to focus on a brilliant person's delivery and not at all on the content of their speech... I tend to think that person doesn't really use their brainpower much, or at least doesn't apply it in the right places.
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meingott
05/02/17 1:53:43 PM
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faizan_faizan posted...
That guy can barely give a speech in front of an audience.


http://imgur.com/a/57uvf

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZ0EmJ9DlQk


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pCrA7F_Ghc

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05/02/17 1:54:19 PM
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SK8T3R215
05/02/17 1:57:07 PM
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meingott posted...
SK8T3R215 posted...
Lmao so basically not producing cars based on their forecast doesn't matter to investors looking for a return on their investments? So they can just produce what they please and investors will be fine with losing money for 5+ years?


http://imgur.com/a/57uvf

SK8T3R215 posted...
Ok that's nice but for INVESTORS they want a return on their investment. This is juice for Elon Musk but investors won't really like losing their investment if other companies capitalize on electric cars.


http://imgur.com/a/57uvf

SK8T3R215 posted...
I mean if they can produce it based on their forecasts, bring down the prices and deal with foreign solar panel makers dumping in the US. But all it does in the near term is increase Tesla's need for cash which dilutes investors further.


http://imgur.com/a/57uvf


Literally no arguments except "The share price is high right now" when I'm talking about going forward for the company. Good counter arguments.

meingott posted...
Tesla will have plenty of cash for the forseeable future. Especially as Tesla and SolarCity ramp up delivery of new cars, storage solutions, solar panels, solar roofs, etc.

http://www.businessinsider.com/teslas-first-quarter-earnings-preview-2017-5

They're on pace, they're increasing revenue. It's a matter of time until they become one of the most profitable companies around.


Plenty of cash? From your link: Cash burn could also be a factor. Tesla expects to spend $2.5 billion in 2017 to launch its new car, the Model 3. That's most of the cash currently on the balance sheet. On the plus side, Tesla's cash discipline has been improving. Even though it said that it would spend and spend and spend in 2016, it wound up with a larger-than-anticipated pile of money in the bank.


So no they have to raise money this year. Also they are expected to produce the Model 3, which is the most important launch as it should help drive them to profitability. From your link again: This was probably due to the arrival of the Model 3, a $35,000 mass-market car that's going to account for the lion's share of CEO Elon Musk's expected deliveries of 500,000 by the end of the next year, an almost comically ambitious target. As for the Model 3, the markets are expecting a July launch, which is earlier that many longtime Tesla-watchers were counting on last year, when sometime in the fourth quarter seemed like the best bet. Tesla has made the potentially disastrous decision to rush the Model 3 — or at least a few vehicles — out the factory door, electing to bypass the beta-testing phase and going straight to stage one of full-on production. In the auto industry, this news has been greeted with disbelief, even among Tesla enthusiasts.

Also this is the main point I'm making, also from your article: It's fundamentals time for Musk. Tesla either rolls the cars or it doesn't. If it can't go from a vague 100,000-ish 2017 deliveries guidance numbers to Musk's goal of 500,000 by 2018 and a million by 2020, then investors' patience will be tested.

I mean did you even read the article you posted? It addresses a bunch of concerns that are similar to what I just said before...

Here's an article about Tesla's valuation going forward based on its estimates and what analysts project also, just to educate you on the potential downside of its shares. I think its a paywall article but it shows the projections of Tesla based on deliveries and margins to produce in 2018. https://www.wsj.com/articles/what-is-tesla-really-worth-1492365561
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faizan_faizan
05/02/17 2:00:52 PM
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Sativa_Rose posted...
faizan_faizan posted...
That guy can barely give a speech in front of an audience.


When someone is only able to focus on a brilliant person's delivery and not at all on the content of their speech... I tend to think that person doesn't really use their brainpower much, or at least doesn't apply it in the right places.

When someone's speech giving ability is so horrendous that it starts to affect the content, then I think they need to reconsider their priorities.

And lol at bragging about intelligence on CE.
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DarthAragorn
05/02/17 2:23:01 PM
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Lmfao
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Who fears to walk upon the grass? But it is the grass that hides the viper from his enemies and shelters him until he strikes.
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darkphoenix181
05/02/17 2:24:09 PM
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does this make you feel

euphoric

proudclad?
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sigless user is me or am I?
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