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DarkChozoGhost
04/29/17 10:03:48 AM
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This is true, the KKK was indeed founded by conservatives.
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04/29/17 10:05:17 AM
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SOUTHER-oh.
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MakoReizei
04/29/17 10:07:15 AM
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They were democrats. Then they conveniently became republicans when democrats were called out.
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04/29/17 10:10:44 AM
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StarReaper13
04/29/17 10:11:49 AM
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Yes, previously Republicans and Democrats had their views essentially switched.
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UnfairRepresent
04/29/17 10:14:20 AM
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I've never understood the way people go "Look at how horrible the Democrats used to be! Aren't they EVIL!"

When the idealogies of the parties pretty much switched.

If you attack Democrats based on the past you're basically just attacking Republicans today.
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MakoReizei
04/29/17 10:14:53 AM
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funny how Democrats are suddenly republicans whenever they're responsible for bad things.

UnfairRepresent posted...

When the idealogies of the parties pretty much switched.


that's actually not true.
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cjsdowg
04/29/17 10:24:29 AM
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MakoReizei posted...

that's actually not true.


So the party who yells about state rights all the time and support flying the CSA flag is the same party that crushed the CSA ?
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Antifar
04/29/17 10:38:11 AM
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Bill Clinton executed a mentally ill black man on the campaign trail in 92, after stopping for this photo op

http://www.revcom.us/i/429/BillClinton-Stone%20MtnAP_920303067-600.jpg
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P01ntyDmonspank
04/29/17 10:40:11 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
I've never understood the way people go "Look at how horrible the Democrats used to be! Aren't they EVIL!"

Yes you do.
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UnfairRepresent
04/29/17 10:42:13 AM
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MakoReizei posted...
funny how Democrats are suddenly republicans whenever they're responsible for bad things.

UnfairRepresent posted...

When the idealogies of the parties pretty much switched.


that's actually not true.

But it is?

The early Republican party was all about government expansion. State sponsored tariffs for failing businsses, State schools and univesities, railways, big Government and big spending over higher taxes and the will of the state.

The Republicans were the party of big government and federal state influence.

Then they switched. The Democrats became that and the Republicans supporters of private interests and the free market.
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cjsdowg
04/29/17 10:42:16 AM
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Antifar posted...
Bill Clinton executed a mentally ill black man on the campaign trail in 92, after stopping for this photo op

http://www.revcom.us/i/429/BillClinton-Stone%20MtnAP_920303067-600.jpg



There is a guy, He looks like a CO or something with his arms crossed as if he is saying. THIS IS SOME SHIT.

However with that said and even with all the horrible things Clinton did to black people. The dems are still way better than the GOP.
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weapon_d00d816
04/29/17 10:58:51 AM
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StarReaper13 posted...
Yes, previously Republicans and Democrats had their views essentially switched.

Not really.

Republicans used to be libertarian progressives, so only their social views have changed. Democrats were pretty much always the party of the working class, and their social views were pretty much the same as their Republican opponents' on the whole. However they were sort of a catch-all party and had various sects within, such as the white Southerners. They were mostly drawn to the party for its support for workers rights and unions, and their racism influenced who they elected within their communities, but not necessarily beyond that because they held a minority view in the party at large. In the Civil Rights era the Republicans (who had been politically evolving into a more traditionalist party) pandered to the "solid South" and its racism.

So basically racist voters are a parasite that jump from party to party and infect their views.
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Sayoria
04/29/17 10:59:39 AM
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What about the Featherwoods?
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Southernfatman
04/29/17 11:03:20 AM
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The KKK thing reminds me of people who say "Lincoln was a Republican" like he's one of theirs and then call him a tyrant during other conversations. They pull the "dems founded the KKK" card while defending them now.

They just say this shit in an attempt to go "gotcha!" and to try to piss off Democrats/liberals.
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MakoReizei
04/29/17 11:05:46 AM
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cjsdowg posted...
The dems are still way better than the GOP.

not even. the dems have been terrible for the black community
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ScazarMeltex
04/29/17 11:06:42 AM
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weapon_d00d816 posted...
StarReaper13 posted...
Yes, previously Republicans and Democrats had their views essentially switched.

Not really.

Republicans used to be libertarian progressives, so only their social views have changed. Democrats were pretty much always the party of the working class, and their social views were pretty much the same as their Republican opponents' on the whole. However they were sort of a catch-all party and had various sects within, such as the white Southerners. They were mostly drawn to the party for its support for workers rights and unions, and their racism influenced who they elected within their communities, but not necessarily beyond that because they held a minority view in the party at large. In the Civil Rights era the Republicans (who had been politically evolving into a more traditionalist party) pandered to the "solid South" and its racism.

So basically racist voters are a parasite that jump from party to party and infect their views.



Yes it's called Nixon's southern strategy. They convinced racist white voters to flip sides to the GOP and then used that to turn around and destroy those very same worker's rights.
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UnfairRepresent
04/29/17 11:08:24 AM
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weapon_d00d816 posted...

Republicans used to be libertarian

Libertarians who supported big government and large powerful states and disapproved of the free market?

Sure...
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Smashingpmkns
04/29/17 11:10:43 AM
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It's very clear that there was a party switch at some point.
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masterpug53
04/29/17 11:18:39 AM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
It's very clear that there was a party switch at some point.


The biggest catalyst iirc was the McKinley era of big business owning politics, William Jennings Bryant, etc. I feel Teddy never gets enough credit for staving off a lot of the damage.
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wah_wah_wah
04/29/17 11:25:22 AM
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I'm going to be the first not-stupid non-partison here and say that no modern political party can be said to be responsible for the KKK including the Republican Party. Not even an issue of the parties switching. They're both in their nature not white supremacist organizations. Sure they both have very different ideas on how to grapple with the legacy of those white supremacist ideas, but that's an entirely different topic of discussion.
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Hexenherz
04/29/17 11:33:07 AM
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Fun fact - the Democrats and Republicans are two symmetrical sides of the same higher authority and there is fundamentally no real difference between the two.
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UnfairRepresent
04/29/17 11:36:01 AM
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Hexenherz posted...
there is fundamentally no real difference between the two.

sigless user logic
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The Admiral
04/29/17 11:36:50 AM
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MakoReizei posted...
cjsdowg posted...
The dems are still way better than the GOP.

not even. the dems have been terrible for the black community


Neither party does anything to help black people. The difference is that Republicans don't pander to black people in the 18 months before an election only to completely ignore them afterwards.
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cjsdowg
04/29/17 11:40:04 AM
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MakoReizei posted...

not even. the dems have been terrible for the black community


Better then under Republican rule. Hell the President used NEO-NAZI lies to attack black people, this isn't even a joke this literally happened. And kicks black people out of his rallies. Once more literally happens.
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mario2000
04/29/17 11:45:24 AM
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MakoReizei posted...
funny how Democrats are suddenly republicans whenever they're responsible for bad things.

UnfairRepresent posted...

When the idealogies of the parties pretty much switched.


that's actually not true.

funny how history is suddenly not true when it becomes inconvenient for righties
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Hexenherz
04/30/17 7:14:59 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Hexenherz posted...
there is fundamentally no real difference between the two.

sigless user logic

Hey man, just saying... read the Illuminatus! Trilogy or the plot to Deus Ex: Invisible War, there's a lot of truth there.
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3rd_Best_Master
04/30/17 7:18:45 AM
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The Admiral posted...
MakoReizei posted...
cjsdowg posted...
The dems are still way better than the GOP.

not even. the dems have been terrible for the black community


Neither party does anything to help black people. The difference is that Republicans don't pander to black people in the 18 months before an election only to completely ignore them afterwards.

Sorta like how Republicans pander to poor white people.
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boxington
04/30/17 7:19:44 AM
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Kineth
04/30/17 7:23:06 AM
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I'm surprised that somehow you still failed history despite knowing this.
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KyoryuCyan
04/30/17 7:44:15 AM
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Just another reason to never, ever vote Democrat.
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AcFan87
04/30/17 8:01:51 AM
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DarkChozoGhost posted...
This is true, the KKK was indeed founded by conservatives.

Imagine actually believing that bullshit.
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Iodine
04/30/17 8:02:56 AM
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The Admiral posted...
MakoReizei posted...
cjsdowg posted...
The dems are still way better than the GOP.

not even. the dems have been terrible for the black community


Neither party does anything to help black people. The difference is that Republicans don't pander to black people in the 18 months before an election only to completely ignore them afterwards.

And the fact that the Democrats aren't actively trying to limit their voting rights.
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Wolf_J_Flywheel
04/30/17 8:13:04 AM
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MakoReizei posted...
They were democrats. Then they conveniently became republicans when democrats were called out.


StarReaper13 posted...
Yes, previously Republicans and Democrats had their views essentially switched.


Nah, republicans have always believed black people should be allowed to succeed or fail based on their own abilities, choices, found opportunities. It's why we freed them from slavery, even threw them a bone with some property and a mule.

Democrats or the Left in general have always believed black people would be in struggle and dire straits without their help and coddling. They just switched from wanting to be called master to wanting votes for power.
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AcFan87
04/30/17 8:26:47 AM
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Wolf_J_Flywheel posted...
MakoReizei posted...
They were democrats. Then they conveniently became republicans when democrats were called out.


StarReaper13 posted...
Yes, previously Republicans and Democrats had their views essentially switched.


Nah, republicans have always believed black people should be allowed to succeed or fail based on their own abilities, choices, found opportunities. It's why we freed them from slavery, even threw them a bone with some property and a mule.

Democrats or the Left in general have always believed black people would be in struggle and dire straits without their help and coddling. They just switched from wanting to be called master to wanting votes for power.

Right on all counts Wolf J Flywheel.
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Kineth
04/30/17 8:27:20 AM
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AcFan87 posted...
DarkChozoGhost posted...
This is true, the KKK was indeed founded by conservatives.

Imagine actually believing that bullshit.


That is the truth. Sorry that you forgot to consider the fact that Republicans were liberals back then.
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AcFan87
04/30/17 8:33:38 AM
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Kineth posted...
AcFan87 posted...
DarkChozoGhost posted...
This is true, the KKK was indeed founded by conservatives.

Imagine actually believing that bullshit.


That is the truth. Sorry that you forgot to consider the fact that Republicans were liberals back then.

Sorry that these articles debunk the "truth"
https://www.louderwithcrowder.com/dinesh-dsouza-exposes-hillarys-corruption-in-hillarys-america/
https://pjmedia.com/michaelwalsh/2013/3/29/history-lesson/
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Kineth
04/30/17 8:38:51 AM
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AcFan87 posted...
Kineth posted...
AcFan87 posted...
DarkChozoGhost posted...
This is true, the KKK was indeed founded by conservatives.

Imagine actually believing that bullshit.


That is the truth. Sorry that you forgot to consider the fact that Republicans were liberals back then.

Sorry that these articles debunk the "truth"
https://www.louderwithcrowder.com/dinesh-dsouza-exposes-hillarys-corruption-in-hillarys-america/
https://pjmedia.com/michaelwalsh/2013/3/29/history-lesson/


I'm sorry that you waste your time spreading false information with weak sources.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_United_States_Republican_Party#Reconstruction:_Freedmen.2C_.22carpetbaggers.22.2C_and_.22scalawags.22
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strom_Thurmond#1960s
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy#World_War_II_and_population_changes
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AcFan87
04/30/17 8:43:03 AM
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Kineth posted...
AcFan87 posted...
Kineth posted...
AcFan87 posted...
DarkChozoGhost posted...
This is true, the KKK was indeed founded by conservatives.

Imagine actually believing that bullshit.


That is the truth. Sorry that you forgot to consider the fact that Republicans were liberals back then.

Sorry that these articles debunk the "truth"
https://www.louderwithcrowder.com/dinesh-dsouza-exposes-hillarys-corruption-in-hillarys-america/
https://pjmedia.com/michaelwalsh/2013/3/29/history-lesson/


I'm sorry that you waste your time spreading false information with weak sources.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_United_States_Republican_Party#Reconstruction:_Freedmen.2C_.22carpetbaggers.22.2C_and_.22scalawags.22
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strom_Thurmond#1960s
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy#World_War_II_and_population_changes

So it's false information if you don't agree with it......that's what were doing here? Okay then, I'm sorry that you waste your time refuting "false information" with false information and weak sources.
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StealthRock
04/30/17 8:53:08 AM
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True

So let's just ditch the two part bullshit all together

neither one of them give a damn about black people
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clearaflagrantj
04/30/17 8:59:23 AM
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It's funny that conservatives are trying to pretend like they're the progressive party after being the opposition to gay, minorities, and women since the dawn of time.

You're not fooling anyone.
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The Great Muta 22
04/30/17 9:00:01 AM
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AcFan87 posted...
So it's false information if you don't agree with it......that's what were doing here? Okay then, I'm sorry that you waste your time refuting "false information" with false information and weak sources.


No it's false information when it spits in the face of actual reality that has been studied and refuted.
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Solid Sonic
04/30/17 9:02:30 AM
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StarReaper13 posted...
Yes, previously Republicans and Democrats had their views essentially switched.

I learned this when I was pretty young but it was not properly explained to me so this confused me for a long time.

I didn't understand the concept of "left" and "right" or "liberal" and "conservative" back then. If that had been explained along with the idea that Democrats and Republicans used to be on opposite sides of the political spectrum.
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04/30/17 9:04:54 AM
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coolboy11
04/30/17 9:36:48 AM
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StarReaper13 posted...
Yes, previously Republicans and Democrats had their views essentially switched.

the Dems have generally been a big tent party, large amounts were always Liberal, large amounts were very very Conservative, it's really only since the LBJ era the party has turned left wing leaning (the GOP was also somewhat big tent until about the same time)
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Hexenherz
04/30/17 9:45:50 AM
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Solid Sonic posted...
StarReaper13 posted...
Yes, previously Republicans and Democrats had their views essentially switched.

I learned this when I was pretty young but it was not properly explained to me so this confused me for a long time.

I didn't understand the concept of "left" and "right" or "liberal" and "conservative" back then. If that had been explained along with the idea that Democrats and Republicans used to be on opposite sides of the political spectrum.

There's no such thing as "left/right" or "liberal/conservative" in the scope of American politics.
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DarkChozoGhost
04/30/17 11:14:33 AM
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Kineth posted...
I'm sorry that you waste your time spreading false information with weak sources.

Ok, listen. Even though you're correct, because it's an undisputed historical fact that the parties shifted, you can't specifically call someone out for "weak sources" and then post wikipedia.
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Kineth
04/30/17 2:37:21 PM
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DarkChozoGhost posted...
Kineth posted...
I'm sorry that you waste your time spreading false information with weak sources.

Ok, listen. Even though you're correct, because it's an undisputed historical fact that the parties shifted, you can't specifically call someone out for "weak sources" and then post wikipedia.


Oh I'm sorry, was I supposed to do research for someone who was gonna completely ignore it anyway? They have citations anyway.
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