Current Events > Does White privilege exist?

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UnfairRepresent posted...

known2FAIL posted...

First off. No you can't.

Just did.

Your mind is more important than the color of your skin or shape of your face buddy.

You will learn that one day I hope when you mature a little.

Second, it was not heavily implied.

Yes it was.

Many black people would prefer to be black even though we know the disadvantage we have.

What a racist attitude.

You clearly are a sheltered person who knows nothing about the real world. Just because the mind is more important, which it is, doesn't mean you understand what it's like being another race. If the mind was that important then we wouldn't have to protect other races right to get a job the quality more for than a white person because of race.

You can say yes it was all you want on the second point. That just shows that you don't understand and you act like you do.

And you say it's racist for having pride in your race? Especially the race that has had an awful history in America? That's stupid as fuck.
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gatorsPENSbucs posted...

Pogo_Marimo posted...

In Apartheid South Africa, whites composed a distinct minority of the population but held a vast majority of wealthy and influential positions in the country. How can you reconcile that with your statement?

I don't care about south africa. That's how.

Ignorance is the root of evil. If you have no interest in understanding things from various perspectives, then you only contribute to the world's problems.
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DifferentialEquation posted...

It used to exist back when black people and other minorities used to experience racism. But not anymore.

You are getting block for such stupidity
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UnfairRepresent posted...

FroMan posted...

Not really. It makes it a really hard problem to solve when no wants to admit it exists.

This sounds an awful lot like "Atheists really are Christian/Muslim/Jews, they just lie to themselves."

Smells like religious "I want this to be true" unrepresented statement of feelings as opposed to an actual argument.

And the other side's argument sounds an awful like the "global warming doesn't exists because its snowing outside" argument.
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I'd say so
The thing is is that there are all kinds of privileges. People have mentioned in this topic about other countries, so I'll stick to the US

There is white privilege, straight privilege, male privilege, etc. that a good chunk of people on CE would fall under. Like, it's very obvious why being those things are better on average than anything else.
However, at the same time, there is black privilege, asian privilege, gay privilege, trans privilege, female privilege, etc. That's not to say that they're equally as well off as the first group, but there are going to be situations in life where a minority (in race, gender, sexuality, etc.) will be better off than the "norm."

The larger issue is class privilege. That's where the imbalance really is, where rich people are so much better off than poor people that it's undeniable unless you live in a little bubble and do the whole "muh bootstraps" stuff.

People get so upset over the concept of white privilege that I think they feel it's an attack on them, where the point is more that in a typical situation for most people, things will go better if they were white. Like pinky said, it's not like that means your life is automatically better for being white or anything like that, just that on average in most situations it's better to be white.
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UR must of not gotten into an argument recently cause he's certainly fishing for one here.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

known2FAIL posted...

First off. No you can't.

Just did.

Your mind is more important than the color of your skin or shape of your face buddy.

You will learn that one day I hope when you mature a little.

Second, it was not heavily implied.

Yes it was.

Many black people would prefer to be black even though we know the disadvantage we have.

What a racist attitude.

I really hope someday you come to realize what a remarkable waste of time your whole GameFaqs persona is. And I hope when you do, it's not too late for you. Studies show that people who partake in trolling online are very bitter and unpleasant people and they use these online persona for cheap, sadistic pleasures.
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meingott posted...

That sounds more like "majority privilege" to me.

They're not mutually exclusive and if you knew anything about American history you would know that there is basically no worthwhile distinction to be made.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

I'm not trolling.

I have no issues with being black or Asian or white or Jewish.

Lol. So easy to say.

Straight up bullshit, though.

Melonfarms posted...

Not in the way ideologues want it to. Everyone has some kind of privilege in one way or another.

this.
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Yes, but there are also many other factors to take account of.
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pinky0926 posted...

Anyone who's saying "no" I feel is not understanding what white privilege means. It doesn't mean all white people have it easy and all black people have it hard. It doesn't mean that you're not capable of having a tough life because of your whiteness, or that any of your hardships should be dismissed because you are white.

Best simple explanation I read on reddit once:

White privilege isn't some thing where every white person is born with a silver spoon in their mouth (although because of family history, land ownership there are greater chances of wealth being passed down for some non immigrant families)

I think it's more just, for the most part, not being negatively judged by your skin color when searching for employment, dealing with police. If a fictional character is white, it's just a character, if the character is black/asian/etc, you're making a statement.

It's not that it's easy to be white, it's hard to be human in general, it's just you don't have certain flavors of extra bullshit.

Whether it's looking like you're up to no good because you're black and wearing a hooded sweater, not having to prove your ethnicity if you don't like certain things (you're the whitest black dude I know, you don't even like hip hop), not really thinking racism is still a big deal because it doesn't often enter your personal space etc.

Edit: Additionally, growing up in America means that you also had to grow up mostly watching white men/women/culture in TV/Movies. So much so that I literally had to explain to several white kids that anime characters are usually asian. I guess I had the break dancing black power ranger with a gun, Barret and the burn victim demon Spawn, but there were slim pickings being a black nerd and trying to see yourself/find a costume.

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It's wrong to accuse people here of racism just becaus they don't agree that white priviledge is a thing. The fact is a high percentage of users are socially isolated, socially anxious or admit they're mentally ill, and you're going to run into a high number of people who because of that either live hard lives and get mad when you suggest they're priviledged, or they just aren't mentally able to pt themselves in anyone elses shoes. Most of them probably don't vote "no" in a rude way. They just don't/can't get it.


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"White Privilege" is bullshit. When I ask people what is white privilege I get three general responses:

1) Income inequality
2) Systemic racism through the Criminal Justice system
3) Generic capitalist policies that benefit white people such as band-aids being the skin tone as white people or hotel shampoo is more suited to white people hair.

Lets tackle the first point; income inequality. There are three basic principles for people to follow to not be permanently poor.

1) Graduate high school
2) Don't get pregnant before marraige
3) Get a job

The first point is the graduation issue. There are no white people forcing black people to not graduate high school. School, for all intensive purposes, is free. Not only is school free; individuals that live within its jurisdiction is mandated to attend the provided free educational facility or enroll in private or home school. The drop out rate of black youth is about seven percent and for white people it is about five percent.

https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=16

Don't get pregnant before marriage. This is an issue that is prevalent in the black community. The rate of black unwed mothers is at about 72%

http://www.blacknews.com/news/black_unwed_mothers101.shtml#.VxvZI3qbFoM

In comparison the rate of single white mothers is about 32%.

http://www.actrochester.org/children-youth/family-support/single-parent-families/single-parent-families-by-race-ethnicity

White people are not causing this. There aren't white people that are making black people have sex with other black people, then forcing one of them to abandon the other. In no place in America is this happening.

The third issue is to get a job. Black unemployment is at 9.2% with the contrast of white unemployment being at 4.2%

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/michael-w-chapman/black-unemployment-rate-92-more-double-white-unemployment-44

The percentage of black families that have both parents that live below the poverty line is 12%.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/dec/25/fathers-disappear-from-households-across-america/?page=all

Whereas white single mothers are at 33%

http://www.familyfacts.org/charts/329/poverty-rates-are-higher-among-single-mother-families-regardless-of-race

Where is all this white privilege for these white single mothers?

Systemic racism through the Criminal Justice system:

The first thing that gets attention is the differential treatment of crack verses powder cocaine. There is the widespread belief that the behind the scenes white supremacist super villain emperor of the United States is creating legislation to hurt black people. While that is a very compelling argument that many would fear to challenge because of its ironclad reasoning, I'm willing to question this idea.

The reason for heavy sentencing in crack cocaine is because crack is easier to distribute, easier to manufacture, and easier to get high off of. This is a drug that to this day devastates black communities. And it was actually black legislators in inner cities that pushed for the harsher sentencing in an effort to get the drugs out of their communities. This has nothing to do with white privilege. White people didn't even have anything to do with this.

http://www.wnyc.org/story/312823-black-leaders-once-championed-strict-drug-laws-they-now-seek-dismantle/

Meth has the same sentencing as crack, and yet meth is predominantly a drug used by white people. Where is all the white privilege for the Kentucky trailer park hillbillies?

http://www.november.org/stayinfo/breaking06/Meth-Crack.html
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Pogo_Marimo posted...

gatorsPENSbucs posted...

Pogo_Marimo posted...

In Apartheid South Africa, whites composed a distinct minority of the population but held a vast majority of wealthy and influential positions in the country. How can you reconcile that with your statement?

I don't care about south africa. That's how.

Ignorance is the root of evil. If you have no interest in understanding things from various perspectives, then you only contribute to the world's problems.

I was talking about America and you bring south Africa into it. Stay on topic.
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to suggest a race has it hard, or easy, based on skin colour alone is a pot of generalizations....and when you boil it on the stove, that makes it "racist" within itself.
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gatorsPENSbucs posted...

Pogo_Marimo posted...

gatorsPENSbucs posted...

Pogo_Marimo posted...

In Apartheid South Africa, whites composed a distinct minority of the population but held a vast majority of wealthy and influential positions in the country. How can you reconcile that with your statement?

I don't care about south africa. That's how.

Ignorance is the root of evil. If you have no interest in understanding things from various perspectives, then you only contribute to the world's problems.

I was talking about America and you bring south Africa into it. Stay on topic.

I am on topic. Just because you do not want to talk about it does not mean it is off-topic--Apartheid systems are a valuable resource to study systemic inequalities in more extreme, apparent terms. This topic is about a form of passive inequality in America, but nothing happens in a vacuum. I know you're trolling and being a contrarian for the sake of entertainment, but it is an important consideration regardless.
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Of course it exists.
Should white people get attacked for it, blamed for everything, and should they feel guilty about their privlege? No, of course not. They can't help that they were born white and have it easier in the U.S.A.
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Roxborough4Ever posted...

to suggest a race has it hard, or easy, based on skin colour alone is a pot of generalizations....and when you boil it on the stove, that makes it "racist" within itself.

That analogy is... really not the least bit robust. It is racist to say that Native Americans were extremely disadvantaged in the latter half of the 19th century? These kind of empty platitudes of pseudo-wisdom have no place when discussing extremely complex and integrated human systems.
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DarkProto05 posted...

They can't help that they were born white and have it easier in the U.S.A.

We can do a lot more to recognize it, though, and subsequently work to weaken the divide. There's a whole group of people who reject the entire concept of it without understanding it, have no desire to understand it, and then turn around and have a lot of bizarre, delusional, and sometimes dangerous perceptions of themselves and others.
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Black Privilege

1) Black privilege is being able to take pride in your race without fear or persecution.

2) Black privilege is when people assume you are poor because of racism and not because bad personal choices.

3) Black privilege is being wealthy without people assuming your wealth was handed to you or that you exploited others.

4) Black privilege is being able to commit violent crimes against another race without people assuming you're racist.

5) Black privilege is being given Affirmative Action which advances you in jobs or colleges based on your skin color.

6) Black privilege is when you can be overrepresented in certain fields without people trying to amend it.

7) Black privilege is having the media cover up your race in the event of a gruesome murder.

8) Black privilege is having the media ignore Black on black crime while blaming white people for not valuing black lives.

9) Black privilege is having media ignore problems in your community to protect you from criticism.

10) Black privilege is being able to blame being pulled over because the officer's racism.

11) Black privilege is being able to blame any of your shortcomings or failures on racism.
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If you voted yes, you probably have a victim's mentality.
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Piersons_Fox posted...

Black Privilege

1) Black privilege is being able to take pride in your race without fear or persecution.

2) Black privilege is when people assume you are poor because of racism and not because bad personal choices.

3) Black privilege is being wealthy without people assuming your wealth was handed to you or that you exploited others.

4) Black privilege is being able to commit violent crimes against another race without people assuming you're racist.

5) Black privilege is being given Affirmative Action which advances you in jobs or colleges based on your skin color.

6) Black privilege is when you can be overrepresented in certain fields without people trying to amend it.

7) Black privilege is having the media cover up your race in the event of a gruesome murder.

8) Black privilege is having the media ignore Black on black crime while blaming white people for not valuing black lives.

9) Black privilege is having media ignore problems in your community to protect you from criticism.

10) Black privilege is being able to blame being pulled over because the officer's racism.

11) Black privilege is being able to blame any of your shortcomings or failures on racism.

no one bite
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known2FAIL posted...

You clearly are a sheltered person who knows nothing about the real world.

Lazy retort with no substance

known2FAIL posted...

And you say it's racist for having pride in your race?

Yes

Although I never actually said that.


FroMan posted...

And the other side's argument sounds an awful like the "global warming doesn't exists because its snowing outside" argument.

No it doesn't. In this scenario you have refused to explain how global warming exists beyond "you're just pretending you don't believe in it."

You're basically Zarna:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHrvNYUTTpw

Everyone who disagrees with you is lying.

I'll admit everyone sees and believes in White Privilege but is lying about it, after you agree with Zarna and admit most men are rapists who commit sexual assault frequently and men and women just deny it because they are lying.

And he was never seen again


Pogo_Marimo posted...

I really hope someday you come to realize what a remarkable waste of time your whole GameFaqs persona is.

Well I don't have one, so the few seconds you spent typing that was more of a waste of time.
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Nope, just excuses from poor minorities.


I'm an Indian American, for the record.
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No.

For the vast majority of people, privilege or lack of it is down to affluence. Better to be a rich black man than a poor white man.

known2FAIL posted...

Of course it does. If you say no then you are naive and sheltered

I'm interested in whoever the user that voted "don't know" is, since every other user is so certain.

I wonder if that makes him or her the smartest user on the site or the most foolish
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When white people hear white privilege they have this idea in their head that it means everything is handed to them without working for it. So they feel attacked


What it really means is that they don't have the same barriers that people of other races have throughout society
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gna647 posted...

When white people hear white privilege they have this idea in their head that it means everything is handed to them without working for it. So they feel attacked


What it really means is that they don't have the same barriers that people of other races have throughout society

But do you think it exists?
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Everyone who disagrees with you is lying.

I don't believe every one who disagrees with me lying. I believe that you believe white privilege is bullshit. Its a privilege to be able to believe that.
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I haven't said what I believe so you're making lazy assumptions just to make yourself feel good and handwave the fact you haven't actually made much of an argument or presented any evidence
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absolutely
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White privilege does exist to a certain extent, like how everything about you has a disavantage and an advantage to go with it, but nowhere near to the extent that you see idiots online make it out to be. And there's so many other factors to a person's life, that just because they may be privileged or disadvantaged in one area doesn't mean they don't massive advantages or disadvantages to their life to counteract that. People just like to play the victim and bitch about how hard it is to be them so talking about x or y privilege is just another way for people to do that. Ironically, you see it the most on the internet.

meingott posted...

pinky0926 posted...

Anyone who's saying "no" I feel is not understanding what white privilege means. It doesn't mean all white people have it easy and all black people have it hard. It doesn't mean that you're not capable of having a tough life because of your whiteness, or that any of your hardships should be dismissed because you are white.

Best simple explanation I read on reddit once:

White privilege isn't some thing where every white person is born with a silver spoon in their mouth (although because of family history, land ownership there are greater chances of wealth being passed down for some non immigrant families)

I think it's more just, for the most part, not being negatively judged by your skin color when searching for employment, dealing with police. If a fictional character is white, it's just a character, if the character is black/asian/etc, you're making a statement.

It's not that it's easy to be white, it's hard to be human in general, it's just you don't have certain flavors of extra bullshit.

Whether it's looking like you're up to no good because you're black and wearing a hooded sweater, not having to prove your ethnicity if you don't like certain things (you're the whitest black dude I know, you don't even like hip hop), not really thinking racism is still a big deal because it doesn't often enter your personal space etc.

Edit: Additionally, growing up in America means that you also had to grow up mostly watching white men/women/culture in TV/Movies. So much so that I literally had to explain to several white kids that anime characters are usually asian. I guess I had the break dancing black power ranger with a gun, Barret and the burn victim demon Spawn, but there were slim pickings being a black nerd and trying to see yourself/find a costume.

That sounds more like "majority privilege" to me. Because the same is true of the majority populations in Zimbabwe, Japan, China, Saudi Arabia, etc.

Thread should have ended here.

Mauser posted...

meingott posted...

pinky0926 posted...

Anyone who's saying "no" I feel is not understanding what white privilege means. It doesn't mean all white people have it easy and all black people have it hard. It doesn't mean that you're not capable of having a tough life because of your whiteness, or that any of your hardships should be dismissed because you are white.

Best simple explanation I read on reddit once:

White privilege isn't some thing where every white person is born with a silver spoon in their mouth (although because of family history, land ownership there are greater chances of wealth being passed down for some non immigrant families)

I think it's more just, for the most part, not being negatively judged by your skin color when searching for employment, dealing with police. If a fictional character is white, it's just a character, if the character is black/asian/etc, you're making a statement.

It's not that it's easy to be white, it's hard to be human in general, it's just you don't have certain flavors of extra bullshit.

Whether it's looking like you're up to no good because you're black and wearing a hooded sweater, not having to prove your ethnicity if you don't like certain things (you're the whitest black dude I know, you don't even like hip hop), not really thinking racism is still a big deal because it doesn't often enter your personal space etc.

Edit: Additionally, growing up in America means that you also had to grow up mostly watching white men/women/culture in TV/Movies. So much so that I literally had to explain to several white kids that anime characters are usually asian. I guess I had the break dancing black power ranger with a gun, Barret and the burn victim demon Spawn, but there were slim pickings being a black nerd and trying to see yourself/find a costume.

That sounds more like "majority privilege" to me. Because the same is true of the majority populations in Zimbabwe, Japan, China, Saudi Arabia, etc.

Thread should have ended here.

The thread should have ended prior to the bold post. Or, it should include this response to it:

KrustyTheClown posted...

They're not mutually exclusive and if you knew anything about American history you would know that there is basically no worthwhile distinction to be made.

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No.
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Interesting that No was dominating at the start and now Yes is winning comfortably.

I wonder if that says something
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Boohooo hoo hoo racism sad me BLM.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Interesting that No was dominating at the start and now Yes is winning comfortably.

I wonder if that says something

considering you can only vote once,
it suggests that quickest people to click on the topic are no voters.

Whatever you can derive from that is speculative, but i'd argue young white males on this site that feel unhappy laugh in the face of being told they are privledged


personally, as a half white half Hispanic individual who looks white....I cannot fathom how anyone could believe there is no such thing as white privilege. the quality of life difference between my hispanic family and white is so large it is astounding

No. Simple question here folks..When is the last time some white kid got a job or got into a nice university with LOWER test scores than other races or got a scholarship just because they are white?
I'll wait for the answer no problem.
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There is also this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SL8f5iWrzN0
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Literally Joey Salads
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I pitty anyone who says yes.
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Of course it does. How is this even up for debate?
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White privilege doesn't mean your life is automatically on easy mode just because your white. It means your life was not made harder by being white. This is not a difficult concept.
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Yes it does.

What people don't seem to understand is that having white privilege doesn't make you a bad person or a racist. White privilege is just an idea to explain the way things are. And for better or worse you can use that idea to affect other people's lives.

SteveNebraska posted...

No. Simple question here folks..When is the last time some white kid got a job or got into a nice university with LOWER test scores than other races or got a scholarship just because they are white?
I'll wait for the answer no problem.

Ruby Bridges, the first black girl to go to a white school is only 62 years old. Minorites and women who were screwed out of a decent education need the advantage. Whereas education was never denied to whites based on them being white, you don't need the advantage.

This is not difficult. The only reason you think it's unfair is because it doesn't personally help you out.
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Whenever I went to a job interview I whipped out my white privilege and became CEO. This happened 3 times.
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SteveNebraska posted...

No. Simple question here folks..When is the last time some white kid got a job or got into a nice university with LOWER test scores than other races or got a scholarship just because they are white?
I'll wait for the answer no problem.

A case could be made for Jared Kushner.