Board 8 > Those of you b8'ers that don't want children.....

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morality is subjective but ok
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you literally just 'lmao' at the idea that you can't be wrong about morality

yes, morality IS subjective

that's why

say it with me

you can't be wrong about it
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rightness and wrongness are also pretty subjective

so in my worldview, you can be wrong about it
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MariaTaylor posted...

this is absolutely correct, at least on my end. the first one seems to be prof and tabii for sure. Kenri might just be arguing with me for the sake of trying to argue. I think he is a masochist or something.

i mean my whole argument was "your analogy is bad" but i guess it was just a thing you decided to say for some reason and not an analogy after all.

but yeah he pretty much summed up my views too, even though i personally want kids because i'm a selfish fuck
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so YOU can't be wrong about morality, but OTHERS can be wrong about morality

so yes, you are exactly the authoritarian moral enforcer I just described above. thank you for demonstrating it in just 2 short posts.
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i would be an authoritarian moral enforcer if i were going out and doing something about it

currently i'm just arguing with a moron [that's you, mariataylor] on the internet about it
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Kenri posted...

but yeah he pretty much summed up my views too, even though i personally want kids because i'm a selfish fuck

I don't see how this is any different from what I believe

I guess your version of the answer involves moral grandstanding and pretending you care about the rest of the world when you really don't?
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tabiicat42 posted...

i would be an authoritarian moral enforcer if i were going out and doing something about it

okay, so you agree you hold the position of an authoritarian moral enforcer. so not only have we demonstrated it, but you've also admitted it. thankfully the only saving grace is that you're not out there busting heads over your insane views.
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MariaTaylor posted...

I don't see how this is any different from what I believe

When did I ever even mention your beliefs? All I said was that your analogy was stupid.

MariaTaylor posted...

I guess your version of the answer involves moral grandstanding and pretending you care about the rest of the world when you really don't?

I mean, I guess that's one way of interpreting my general disregard for borders that you don't share, yeah.
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i mean if it makes you feel good about your poor reading comprehension and inability to process information properly to believe that i said that i am an authoritarian moral enforcer you do you honey
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Kenri posted...

I mean, I guess that's one way of interpreting my general disregard for borders that you don't share, yeah.

what leads you to believe I have any regard for borders? where did I share such an opinion?

tabiicat42 posted...

i mean if it makes you feel good about your poor reading comprehension and inability to process information properly to believe that i said that i am an authoritarian moral enforcer you do you honey

I mean this in the nicest way possible you are really bad at arguing

like, you really should not be doing this. it's honestly kind of embarrassing and you make your side look actively worse. refusing to make any legitimate points, calling people stupid, and going LMAO every few posts might work on vlado but it has no place in a real debate.
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MariaTaylor posted...

what leads you to believe I have any regard for borders? where did I share such an opinion?

Uh, constant posts like this one:

MariaTaylor posted...

they live in america, the country I referenced when I made my argument. it is a country that does not struggle with overpopulation.

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MariaTaylor posted...

Kenri posted...

I mean, I guess that's one way of interpreting my general disregard for borders that you don't share, yeah.

what leads you to believe I have any regard for borders? where did I share such an opinion?

tabiicat42 posted...

i mean if it makes you feel good about your poor reading comprehension and inability to process information properly to believe that i said that i am an authoritarian moral enforcer you do you honey

I mean this in the nicest way possible you are really bad at arguing

like, you really should not be doing this. it's honestly kind of embarrassing and you make your side look actively worse. refusing to make any legitimate points, calling people stupid, and going LMAO every few posts might work on vlado but it has no place in a real debate.

my side is literally "i don't want to have kids for these reasons"
you're throwing a very odd temper tantrum about my reasons and misreading a lot of what people are saying
i think i look p good right now! but i also could not possibly give less shits about your opinion of me, so it's a win either way
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do they not live in america?
is it not a country I referenced when I made my argument?
is it a country that struggles with overpopulation?

it sounds like I am just stating facts. you haven't shown anything that actually demonstrates my opinion on the existence of borders one way or the other.

like I know your type likes to masturbate furiously over the idea of vanquishing evil nationalists but unfortunately not everyone who disagrees with you can be painted into a box.
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tabiicat42 posted...

you're throwing a very odd temper tantrum about my reasons and misreading a lot of what people are saying

can you demonstrate in what way I am throwing a temper tantrum? how were you able to perceive my temper at the time when I made those posts? do you have some way to measure the emotional state of a person who is thousands of miles away from you?
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oh honey

you care so much about this, it's cute.

keep on keepin' on.
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Vikavolt posted...

TIL that saving money for a retirement home makes it completely impossible for me to do anything good for society.

TIL that having a retirement plan is mutually exclusive from bettering the world in some way.

TIL that Scar thinks so lowly of me that simply saying "I can save for a good retirement home" in response to the question posed by this very topic means I am going to check out of life for the next 40 years.

Has Bill Gates done nothing good for the world because he has a retirement plan?

@FigureOfSpeech @ImTheMacheteGuy literally all I said was that in response to the question of being worried about if there was going to be someone to take care of me when I grow old was "no because I can save for a good retirement home". Scar has somehow decided this means the rest of the complete and utter bullshit he is spewing about me.

well that sounds shitty. I have 2 retirement plans myself :/ how'd you end up getting moderated then? I only entertained the notion that you might have said something fucked up because of that.
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tabiicat42 posted...

oh honey

you care so much about this, it's cute.

keep on keepin' on.

is this really what you think an argument is like? you just make personal attacks or condescending remarks over and over without addressing the opposing side at all?

like, honestly, I get the feeling no one has honestly disagreed with you in your life before. the only thing I sort of feel at this moment is a bit of pity at the fact that you seem to have lived inside of a bubble until now.

the fact that I responded to your posts which directly address me is somehow an indication that I care SO MUCH? like... what. where is even the logic behind this
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MariaTaylor posted...

is it a country that struggles with overpopulation?

it sounds like I am just stating facts.

how do you determine if a country is overpopulated without considering borders? what even is a country without borders?
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Kenri posted...

MariaTaylor posted...

what leads you to believe I have any regard for borders? where did I share such an opinion?

Uh, constant posts like this one:

MariaTaylor posted...

they live in america, the country I referenced when I made my argument. it is a country that does not struggle with overpopulation.

it's not about borders, it's about local conditions

if you live in a tiny country like singapore, then the conditions in neighboring countries are going to be very relevant to you personally

if you live in montana, then you probably don't even care about, say, conditions in florida all that much
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Kenri posted...

how do you determine if a country is overpopulated without considering borders? what even is a country without borders?

I mean, this is just sort of like a psuedo profound question that a first year philosophy major would ask. like, dude, what if borders, like, don't actually even exist. so, um, I'll try to make this simple. borders do exist. I am referring to the borders that actually exist. they were drawn by other people and are enforced by those people, not me.

the fact that they exist has no bearing on whether I have positive, negative, or any regard for them at all.

if my opinion of borders was positive, negative, or neutral this would not cause those borders to magically cease existing.

it seems like your stance is that since you believe there shouldn't be borders we aren't allowed to talk about them or we're somehow taking a hard pro-border stance?
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Drakeryn posted...

it's not about borders, it's about local conditions

if you live in a tiny country like singapore, then the conditions in neighboring countries are going to be very relevant to you personally

if you live in montana, then you probably don't even care about, say, conditions in florida all that much

Humans living in Montana still affect the rest of the world. Not caring about Florida just shows you care about state borders rather than national ones.
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Kenri posted...

Humans living in Montana still affect the rest of the world. Not caring about Florida just shows you care about state borders rather than national ones.

no it doesn't. it's not like drak is saying that anyone who lives on the other side of some arbitrarily drawn line is someone he doesn't care about. he's saying that anyone who isn't directly near him does not directly affect him. the word Florida is just an easy word to use to reference the place he's talking about because everyone knows what Florida is.
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MariaTaylor posted...

tabiicat42 posted...

oh honey

you care so much about this, it's cute.

keep on keepin' on.

is this really what you think an argument is like? you just make personal attacks or condescending remarks over and over without addressing the opposing side at all?

like, honestly, I get the feeling no one has honestly disagreed with you in your life before. the only thing I sort of feel at this moment is a bit of pity at the fact that you seem to have lived inside of a bubble until now.

the fact that I responded to your posts which directly address me is somehow an indication that I care SO MUCH? like... what. where is even the logic behind this

i think that you're a moron, so this is what our argument is like. i'm still responding to you because your idiocy is vastly entertaining to me while i procrastinate on schoolwork. i suppose you aren't completely useless.
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saying florida DOES exist is not the same thing as saying florida SHOULD exist
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tabii what are you even arguing here? if you'd want to pass on having kids for something as trivial as overpopulation, clearly you have plenty of other more important and personal reasons for not having kids which you're not even being argued with about and that others would likely understand and some (such as myself) would probably even relate to >_>.

Not that I'm trying to get involved in any drama here after the political topic horseshit last night...
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tabiicat42 posted...

i think that you're a moron, so this is what our argument is like. i'm still responding to you because your idiocy is vastly entertaining to me while i procrastinate on schoolwork. i suppose you aren't completely useless.

the weird thing about this exchange is that you probably think I am saying these things to somehow hurt your feelings and you think your response would somehow hurt my feelings. but like what's actually going on here is that I'm just sincerely telling you that you are acting really weird and dumb right now. like, for your own benefit.
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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

tabii what are you even arguing here? if you'd want to pass on having kids for something as trivial as overpopulation, clearly you have plenty of other more important and personal reasons for not having kids which you're not even being argued with about and that others would likely understand and some (such as myself) would probably even relate to >_>.

Not that I'm trying to get involved in any drama here after the political topic horseshit last night...

i've already stated my reasons for not having kids, mariataylor grabbed onto the mention of overpopulation and ran a marathon with it. it's kind of weird.
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MariaTaylor posted...

saying florida DOES exist is not the same thing as saying florida SHOULD exist

this is... extremely true.
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MariaTaylor posted...

he's saying that anyone who isn't directly near him does not directly affect him.

But they indirectly affect you a bunch, and vice versa.
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tabiicat42 posted...

ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

tabii what are you even arguing here? if you'd want to pass on having kids for something as trivial as overpopulation, clearly you have plenty of other more important and personal reasons for not having kids which you're not even being argued with about and that others would likely understand and some (such as myself) would probably even relate to >_>.

Not that I'm trying to get involved in any drama here after the political topic horseshit last night...

i've already stated my reasons for not having kids, mariataylor grabbed onto the mention of overpopulation and ran a marathon with it. it's kind of weird.

but why are you acting like it's some major significant issue that should be a focus of the topic at hand? I haven't seen anyone arguing with your other reasons, so why argue about this?
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yeah we all know florida should not exist

tabiicat42 posted...

mariataylor grabbed onto the mention of overpopulation and ran a marathon with it. it's kind of weird.

yeah and I did this entirely by myself too. there were not multiple other people arguing the opposition side in this discussion.

everyone who agrees with you was arguing from a completely detached and morally grounded stance free from any emotional investment, this is obvious.

the one person on the other side just ran a marathon for no apparent reason, throwing a temper tantrum, etc. etc. and whatever other personal attacks you decide to continue slinging at me

you are absolutely brilliant, here.
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florida 'exists'! uuuu~

and yeah, I realized that after posting - e.g. if there is some kind of crisis in florida, at a minimum it will probably divert federal funds to take care of it, which is going to impact your local economy. if things get worse then you get refugees, economic disruption, and so on up the line
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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

tabiicat42 posted...

ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

tabii what are you even arguing here? if you'd want to pass on having kids for something as trivial as overpopulation, clearly you have plenty of other more important and personal reasons for not having kids which you're not even being argued with about and that others would likely understand and some (such as myself) would probably even relate to >_>.

Not that I'm trying to get involved in any drama here after the political topic horseshit last night...

i've already stated my reasons for not having kids, mariataylor grabbed onto the mention of overpopulation and ran a marathon with it. it's kind of weird.

but why are you acting like it's some major significant issue that should be a focus of the topic at hand? I haven't seen anyone arguing with your other reasons, so why argue about this?

i'm not actually arguing about the overpopulation stuff. if you go back and read what we're bickering over it's not overpopulation at all. kenri's the one going to town on that.
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Drakeryn posted...

and yeah, I realized that after posting - e.g. if there is some kind of crisis in florida, at a minimum it will probably divert federal funds to take care of it, which is going to impact your local economy. if things get worse then you get refugees, economic disruption, and so on up the line

Kenri and I both agree that the federal government shouldn't exist though so this point is kind of moot
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anyway, my take on the overpopulation thing

if you care about the world, then you should aim to raise your kids (if any) in such a way that they'll be a positive force on the world that more than offsets the resource drain caused by their existence. obviously you can't ensure that, but that should be the goal.

if you don't care about the world, then just do what you want.

basically everyone should just do what they want.
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Ryokles posted...

Holy Jesus this is probably the most insufferable argument I've ever seen here and that's saying oh so much

yeah i am actually kind of ashamed of myself while rereading it. whoops.
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This whole topic kills my soul
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Ryokles posted...

This whole topic kills my soul

y? (besides the argument that I'm not going to try to understand)
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i want to guess it's because of the dumb argument
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Drakeryn posted...

basically everyone should just do what they want.

pretty much.
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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

Vikavolt posted...

TIL that saving money for a retirement home makes it completely impossible for me to do anything good for society.

TIL that having a retirement plan is mutually exclusive from bettering the world in some way.

TIL that Scar thinks so lowly of me that simply saying "I can save for a good retirement home" in response to the question posed by this very topic means I am going to check out of life for the next 40 years.

Has Bill Gates done nothing good for the world because he has a retirement plan?

@FigureOfSpeech @ImTheMacheteGuy literally all I said was that in response to the question of being worried about if there was going to be someone to take care of me when I grow old was "no because I can save for a good retirement home". Scar has somehow decided this means the rest of the complete and utter bullshit he is spewing about me.

well that sounds shitty. I have 2 retirement plans myself :/ how'd you end up getting moderated then? I only entertained the notion that you might have said something fucked up because of that.

Vikavolt posted...

I simply deleted my messages because there was no point in engaging with this topic anymore so I didn't want it in my AMP. Which is why this is being said on an alt also.

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