Board 8 > Survivor: Game Changers Topic 2: Everybody Choooookes...Sometimes

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Naye745 04/14/17 11:02:07 PM #452:	correct, he said something really stupid and offensive and thought he could pull it off as a gameplay move. when the response became immediately clear that he had crossed a line far further than he believed, he got remorseful. like i said, i don't think it's insincere - he really didn't know how exactly what he had done. but it's not up to me to judge whether his response is worthy of forgiveness. --- it's an underwater adventure ride <cite>Naye745 posted [p:877219047] in Survivor: ... [t:75145292]...</cite> <quote>correct, he said something really stupid and offensive and thought he could pull it off as a gameplay move. when the response became immediately clear that he had crossed a line far further than he believed, he got remorseful. like i said, i don't think it's insincere - he really didn't know how exactly what he had done. but it's not up to me to judge whether his response is worthy of forgiveness.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 04/14/17 11:19:43 PM #453:	I believe everything about Jeff misguiding himself and his remorse in the aftermath, and I believe what I've read about it since. I feel bad that he was fired over it, but that is understandable in this day and age. Zeke's response was commendable, and in all honesty, I feel a bit selfishly positive about said response because I picked Zeke as my prediction to win in the rankdown topic and his edit was most certainly bolstered in how things turned out, so I would love to see his chances of winning improve. I'm not buying the Sarah train. Losing finalist? I can buy that. Winner? No. Too much of the reaction shown was negative (eye-rolling, cymbal-effect shots). She did stick up for Zeke yes, but as Inviso said, she made it too much about her, and we as the audience were meant to empathize both with Zeke and with remorseful Jeff. Sarah's narrative was contradictory to this. The other edits on the tribe were null tells. Brad's edit continues to be positive. Troyzan still looks good. Aubrey and Cirie centering on Brad is good for them. As for BBCAN5, The spoilered "implications" posts did spoilerishly lead me to predict the outcome (I knowingly revealed them to myself like a fool lol but all good. However, at the end of the episode, in terms of Survivor... ~~2 hour Survivor episode next week as BBCAN will air later as a result~~. This is interesting and I expect to have ideas from it as it plays out :P --- (boring generic non-rotating sig because I posted from not my phone) <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:877219898] in Survivor: ... [t:75145292]...</cite> <quote>I believe everything about Jeff misguiding himself and his remorse in the aftermath, and I believe what I've read about it since. I feel bad that he was fired over it, but that is understandable in this day and age. Zeke's response was commendable, and in all honesty, I feel a bit selfishly positive about said response because I picked Zeke as my prediction to win in the rankdown topic and his edit was most certainly bolstered in how things turned out, so I would love to see his chances of winning improve. I'm not buying the Sarah train. Losing finalist? I can buy that. Winner? No. Too much of the reaction shown was negative (eye-rolling, cymbal-effect shots). She did stick up for Zeke yes, but as Inviso said, she made it too much about her, and we as the audience were meant to empathize both with Zeke and with remorseful Jeff. Sarah's narrative was contradictory to this. The other edits on the tribe were null tells. Brad's edit continues to be positive. Troyzan still looks good. Aubrey and Cirie centering on Brad is good for them. As for BBCAN5, The spoilered "implications" posts did spoilerishly lead me to predict the outcome (I knowingly revealed them to myself like a fool lol but all good. However, at the end of the episode, in terms of Survivor... 2 hour Survivor episode next week as BBCAN will air later as a result. This is interesting and I expect to have ideas from it as it plays out :P</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Naye745 04/14/17 11:24:57 PM #454:	i actually think sarah had a really strong reaction and i thought it was the most genuine that she wasn't willing to say "yeah, it's okay" to jeff. i think she also really didn't know how to articulate that, partially because she was so surprised by her own reaction. i always want to take these things with a grain of salt as far as edits go because i'm sure everyone had a lot to say and they put it together in the way that most comprehensively (in their view) told the story that zeke wanted. so that sarah's response had a lot to do with her or that we didn't see ozzy say much really just says more about what they chose to show than anything else --- it's an underwater adventure ride <cite>Naye745 posted [p:877220162] in Survivor: ... [t:75145292]...</cite> <quote>i actually think sarah had a really strong reaction and i thought it was the most genuine that she wasn't willing to say "yeah, it's okay" to jeff. i think she also really didn't know how to articulate that, partially because she was so surprised by her own reaction. i always want to take these things with a grain of salt as far as edits go because i'm sure everyone had a lot to say and they put it together in the way that most comprehensively (in their view) told the story that zeke wanted. so that sarah's response had a lot to do with her or that we didn't see ozzy say much really just says more about what they chose to show than anything else</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 04/14/17 11:54:18 PM #455:	What I can't figure out is how Varner THOUGHT this info would get people to turn on Zeke in the first place? --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:877221482] in Survivor: ... [t:75145292]...</cite> <quote>What I can't figure out is how Varner THOUGHT this info would get people to turn on Zeke in the first place?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GTM 04/15/17 2:06:37 AM #456:	sorry caelus --- Boko United- GROUND \| TITAN \| MUSTAAAAAADIOOOOO! survivor and dillos and nintendo and caelus and wrestling and uca <cite>GTM posted [p:877227025] in Survivor: ... [t:75145292]...</cite> <quote>sorry caelus</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Raka_Putra 04/15/17 3:11:38 AM #457:	AdmiralZephyr posted... They could have shown clips from other tribal councils if necessary (that's been done before; Gabon in particular was infamous for this). What. Where can I read more about this? --- Fuhlt nicht durch dich Sarastro Todesschmerzen, So bist du meine Tochter nimmermehr-- eeeeeeeeeeeeeeehr. <cite>Raka_Putra posted [p:877228884] in Survivor: ... [t:75145292]...</cite> <quote><cite>AdmiralZephyr posted...</cite> <quote>They could have shown clips from other tribal councils if necessary (that's been done before; Gabon in particular was infamous for this).</quote> What. Where can I read more about this?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StormTR 04/15/17 6:38:10 AM #458:	Raka_Putra posted... AdmiralZephyr posted... They could have shown clips from other tribal councils if necessary (that's been done before; Gabon in particular was infamous for this). What. Where can I read more about this? I think Randy and Kenny talked about it in a couple of interviews, but I could be wrong. <cite>StormTR posted [p:877233548] in Survivor: ... [t:75145292]...</cite> <quote><cite>Raka_Putra posted...</cite> <quote><cite>AdmiralZephyr posted...</cite> <quote>They could have shown clips from other tribal councils if necessary (that's been done before; Gabon in particular was infamous for this).</quote> What. Where can I read more about this?</quote> I think Randy and Kenny talked about it in a couple of interviews, but I could be wrong.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AdmiralZephyr 04/15/17 10:30:46 AM #459:	StormTR posted... Raka_Putra posted... AdmiralZephyr posted... They could have shown clips from other tribal councils if necessary (that's been done before; Gabon in particular was infamous for this). What. Where can I read more about this? I think Randy and Kenny talked about it in a couple of interviews, but I could be wrong. Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's right. Randy said in particular that his famous reaction to the HII being fake was not from that tribal. I mean, if the editors can manipulate challenge results to their liking, then tribal councils should be much easier. --- darkx remembers his friend, GrapefruitKing. RIP :( Games beaten in 2017: 8 (Most recent - Uncharted 4: A Thief's End) <cite>AdmiralZephyr posted [p:877239703] in Survivor: ... [t:75145292]...</cite> <quote><cite>StormTR posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Raka_Putra posted...</cite> <quote><cite>AdmiralZephyr posted...</cite> <quote>They could have shown clips from other tribal councils if necessary (that's been done before; Gabon in particular was infamous for this).</quote> What. Where can I read more about this?</quote> I think Randy and Kenny talked about it in a couple of interviews, but I could be wrong.</quote> Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's right. Randy said in particular that his famous reaction to the HII being fake was not from that tribal. I mean, if the editors can manipulate challenge results to their liking, then tribal councils should be much easier.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Raka_Putra 04/15/17 12:25:44 PM #460:	Ooh...thanks guys. Challenge results too? --- Fuhlt nicht durch dich Sarastro Todesschmerzen, So bist du meine Tochter nimmermehr-- eeeeeeeeeeeeeeehr. <cite>Raka_Putra posted [p:877244675] in Survivor: ... [t:75145292]...</cite> <quote>Ooh...thanks guys. Challenge results too?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Inviso 04/15/17 12:38:56 PM #461:	Raka_Putra posted... Ooh...thanks guys. Challenge results too? In HvV, towards the end of the season, Rupert was on the chopping block, so they built suspense by editing challenges to make it seem like he was in the final 2 with Parvati, when in fact he'd already been eliminated. --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso <cite>Inviso posted [p:877245394] in Survivor: ... [t:75145292]...</cite> <quote><cite>Raka_Putra posted...</cite> <quote>Ooh...thanks guys. Challenge results too?</quote> In HvV, towards the end of the season, Rupert was on the chopping block, so they built suspense by editing challenges to make it seem like he was in the final 2 with Parvati, when in fact he'd already been eliminated.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AdmiralZephyr 04/15/17 3:31:21 PM #462:	Inviso posted... Raka_Putra posted... Ooh...thanks guys. Challenge results too? In HvV, towards the end of the season, Rupert was on the chopping block, so they built suspense by editing challenges to make it seem like he was in the final 2 with Parvati, when in fact he'd already been eliminated. And since this is confirmed I'd venture to say it isn't the only time it has happened given how suspiciously often this comes up. --- darkx remembers his friend, GrapefruitKing. RIP :( Games beaten in 2017: 8 (Most recent - Uncharted 4: A Thief's End) <cite>AdmiralZephyr posted [p:877254275] in Survivor: ... [t:75145292]...</cite> <quote><cite>Inviso posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Raka_Putra posted...</cite> <quote>Ooh...thanks guys. Challenge results too?</quote> In HvV, towards the end of the season, Rupert was on the chopping block, so they built suspense by editing challenges to make it seem like he was in the final 2 with Parvati, when in fact he'd already been eliminated.</quote> And since this is confirmed I'd venture to say it isn't the only time it has happened given how suspiciously often this comes up.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 04/15/17 3:33:07 PM #463:	6 minutes into first episode of current TAR. some interesting characters so far lol --- (boring generic non-rotating sig because I posted from not my phone) <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:877254373] in Survivor: ... [t:75145292]...</cite> <quote>6 minutes into first episode of current TAR. some interesting characters so far lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Raka_Putra 04/15/17 10:13:18 PM #464:	Inviso posted... Raka_Putra posted... Ooh...thanks guys. Challenge results too? In HvV, towards the end of the season, Rupert was on the chopping block, so they built suspense by editing challenges to make it seem like he was in the final 2 with Parvati, when in fact he'd already been eliminated. What xD That's ludicrous. Was it for the previews for the next episode thing? --- Fuhlt nicht durch dich Sarastro Todesschmerzen, So bist du meine Tochter nimmermehr-- eeeeeeeeeeeeeeehr. <cite>Raka_Putra posted [p:877275832] in Survivor: ... [t:75145292]...</cite> <quote><cite>Inviso posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Raka_Putra posted...</cite> <quote>Ooh...thanks guys. Challenge results too?</quote> In HvV, towards the end of the season, Rupert was on the chopping block, so they built suspense by editing challenges to make it seem like he was in the final 2 with Parvati, when in fact he'd already been eliminated.</quote> What xD That's ludicrous. Was it for the previews for the next episode thing?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Inviso 04/15/17 11:14:39 PM #465:	Raka_Putra posted... Inviso posted... Raka_Putra posted... Ooh...thanks guys. Challenge results too? In HvV, towards the end of the season, Rupert was on the chopping block, so they built suspense by editing challenges to make it seem like he was in the final 2 with Parvati, when in fact he'd already been eliminated. What xD That's ludicrous. Was it for the previews for the next episode thing? No no. Like, in the challenges, it's be endurance stuff. And it was around the final 8-7-6. Rupert would be shown as hanging in there, but then he'd lose to Parvati or Danielle or whoever. In actuality, he'd already dropped out of those specific challenges and it really came down to like, Parvati vs. Colby or something. --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso <cite>Inviso posted [p:877279102] in Survivor: ... [t:75145292]...</cite> <quote><cite>Raka_Putra posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Inviso posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Raka_Putra posted...</cite> <quote>Ooh...thanks guys. Challenge results too?</quote> In HvV, towards the end of the season, Rupert was on the chopping block, so they built suspense by editing challenges to make it seem like he was in the final 2 with Parvati, when in fact he'd already been eliminated.</quote> What xD That's ludicrous. Was it for the previews for the next episode thing?</quote> No no. Like, in the challenges, it's be endurance stuff. And it was around the final 8-7-6. Rupert would be shown as hanging in there, but then he'd lose to Parvati or Danielle or whoever. In actuality, he'd already dropped out of those specific challenges and it really came down to like, Parvati vs. Colby or something.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Raka_Putra 04/16/17 3:50:03 AM #466:	Ooh okay. I thought by 'final 2' you meant like FTC when actually he was already out earlier, haha. --- Fuhlt nicht durch dich Sarastro Todesschmerzen, So bist du meine Tochter nimmermehr-- eeeeeeeeeeeeeeehr. <cite>Raka_Putra posted [p:877289834] in Survivor: ... [t:75145292]...</cite> <quote>Ooh okay. I thought by 'final 2' you meant like FTC when actually he was already out earlier, haha.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AdmiralZephyr 04/16/17 7:47:21 PM #467:	So on the Unspoiled Edgic forum, the banner typically shows the cast photo and, as each person is eliminated, they are turned to greyscale. Varner however has been completely edited out of this season's banner. On a semi-similar note, it appears that the Survivor Wiki is refusing to include any references to Zeke being transgender, and in articles where the incident needs to be referenced it is simply referred to as "sensitive information." --- darkx remembers his friend, GrapefruitKing. RIP :( Games beaten in 2017: 8 (Most recent - Uncharted 4: A Thief's End) <cite>AdmiralZephyr posted [p:877326685] in Survivor: ... [t:75145292]...</cite> <quote>So on the Unspoiled Edgic forum, the banner typically shows the cast photo and, as each person is eliminated, they are turned to greyscale. Varner however has been completely edited out of this season's banner. On a semi-similar note, it appears that the Survivor Wiki is refusing to include any references to Zeke being transgender, and in articles where the incident needs to be referenced it is simply referred to as "sensitive information."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Great_Paul 04/16/17 10:39:30 PM #468:	I'm not sure if it was brought up earlier here, but do we know how Varner knew Zeke's secret? --- Bear Bro It's kinda coincidental how like in most games pigs are evil. <cite>Great_Paul posted [p:877336549] in Survivor: ... [t:75145292]...</cite> <quote>I'm not sure if it was brought up earlier here, but do we know how Varner knew Zeke's secret?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AdmiralZephyr 04/16/17 11:21:33 PM #469:	I'm at... I wanna say episode 10 now of South Pacific? Yeah this season went way downhill. Fuck Brandon, fuck Cochran, fuck Keith, fuck Whitney, and we're getting to fuck Coach too. --- darkx remembers his friend, GrapefruitKing. RIP :( Games beaten in 2017: 8 (Most recent - Uncharted 4: A Thief's End) <cite>AdmiralZephyr posted [p:877338928] in Survivor: ... [t:75145292]...</cite> <quote>I'm at... I wanna say episode 10 now of South Pacific? Yeah this season went way downhill. Fuck Brandon, fuck Cochran, fuck Keith, fuck Whitney, and we're getting to fuck Coach too.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JetJaguar 04/17/17 9:11:45 AM #470:	Inviso posted... and now is just the best darned conservative in the history of the universe because she doesn't think any less of a completely normal human fucking being for being a completely normal human fucking being (I'm still annoyed by that speech, can you tell?) We have very different definitions of the word normal. --- http://imgur.com/OOLyJHx Blue Lives Matter <cite>JetJaguar posted [p:877355225] in Survivor: ... [t:75145292]...</cite> <quote><cite>Inviso posted...</cite> <quote> and now is just the best darned conservative in the history of the universe because she doesn't think any less of a completely normal human fucking being for being a completely normal human fucking being (I'm still annoyed by that speech, can you tell?)</quote> We have very different definitions of the word normal.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wg64Z 04/17/17 9:39:36 AM #471:	We need way more BBCan discussion going on here. Who is watching? --- Do you like humor, gameplay, and daily content? Check out my hilarious let's play Youtube Channel, Tarvould's Quest! https://www.youtube.com/TarvouldsQuest <cite>wg64Z posted [p:877356297] in Survivor: ... [t:75145292]...</cite> <quote>We need way more BBCan discussion going on here. Who is watching?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peridiam 04/17/17 1:06:23 PM #472:	2 episodes this week of Survivor --- http://i.imgur.com/6Lra0Xf.gif http://i.imgur.com/fZbEYu0.gif <cite>Peridiam posted [p:877366030] in Survivor: ... [t:75145292]...</cite> <quote>2 episodes this week of Survivor</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GTM 04/17/17 1:12:53 PM #473:	I am watching --- Boko United- GROUND \| TITAN \| MUSTAAAAAADIOOOOO! survivor and dillos and nintendo and caelus and wrestling and uca <cite>GTM posted [p:877366372] in Survivor: ... [t:75145292]...</cite> <quote>I am watching</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Great_Paul 04/17/17 2:03:37 PM #474:	wg64Z posted... We need way more BBCan discussion going on here. Who is watching? I have it all recorded so far but I haven't started. I've been meaning to marathon through it and catch up, maybe this weekend. --- Bear Bro It's kinda coincidental how like in most games pigs are evil. <cite>Great_Paul posted [p:877369199] in Survivor: ... [t:75145292]...</cite> <quote><cite>wg64Z posted...</cite> <quote>We need way more BBCan discussion going on here. Who is watching?</quote> I have it all recorded so far but I haven't started. I've been meaning to marathon through it and catch up, maybe this weekend.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoctorBIind 04/17/17 4:40:54 PM #475:	Peridiam posted... 2 episodes this week of Survivor Back to back on Wednesday? <cite>DoctorBIind posted [p:877378418] in Survivor: ... [t:75145292]...</cite> <quote><cite>Peridiam posted...</cite> <quote>2 episodes this week of Survivor</quote> Back to back on Wednesday?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AdmiralZephyr 04/17/17 5:19:06 PM #476:	DoctorBIind posted... Peridiam posted... 2 episodes this week of Survivor Back to back on Wednesday? Yes. Also two episodes of Amazing Race back-to-back on Thursday but I'm not sure if that starts at 9 or 10. --- darkx remembers his friend, GrapefruitKing. RIP :( Games beaten in 2017: 8 (Most recent - Uncharted 4: A Thief's End) <cite>AdmiralZephyr posted [p:877380841] in Survivor: ... [t:75145292]...</cite> <quote><cite>DoctorBIind posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Peridiam posted...</cite> <quote>2 episodes this week of Survivor</quote> Back to back on Wednesday?</quote> Yes. Also two episodes of Amazing Race back-to-back on Thursday but I'm not sure if that starts at 9 or 10.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Raka_Putra 04/17/17 7:24:22 PM #477:	Peridiam posted... 2 episodes this week of Survivor Yesss. Probably one episode dedicated to discussing last week's tribal. --- Fuhlt nicht durch dich Sarastro Todesschmerzen, So bist du meine Tochter nimmermehr-- eeeeeeeeeeeeeeehr. <cite>Raka_Putra posted [p:877388194] in Survivor: ... [t:75145292]...</cite> <quote><cite>Peridiam posted...</cite> <quote>2 episodes this week of Survivor</quote> Yesss. Probably one episode dedicated to discussing last week's tribal.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 04/17/17 7:25:59 PM #478:	Great_Paul posted... I'm not sure if it was brought up earlier here, but do we know how Varner knew Zeke's secret? Maybe he explained this on a post-edit press interview, but probably from experience around trans people allowing him to recognize certain surgical scars for what they were, a la people who sniffed this out after episode 1 of MvGX. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:877388281] in Survivor: ... [t:75145292]...</cite> <quote><cite>Great_Paul posted...</cite> <quote>I'm not sure if it was brought up earlier here, but do we know how Varner knew Zeke's secret?</quote> Maybe he explained this on a post-edit press interview, but probably from experience around trans people allowing him to recognize certain surgical scars for what they were, a la people who sniffed this out after episode 1 of MvGX.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Eddv 04/17/17 8:21:40 PM #479:	Yeah i thought Sarahs speech in making what happened all about her was one of the cringiest things i have ever seen --- Board 8's Voice of Reason http://i.imgur.com/chXIw06.jpg <cite>Eddv posted [p:877391573] in Survivor: ... [t:75145292]...</cite> <quote>Yeah i thought Sarahs speech in making what happened all about her was one of the cringiest things i have ever seen</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Inviso 04/17/17 8:22:22 PM #480:	Eddv posted... Yeah i thought Sarahs speech in making what happened all about her was one of the cringiest things i have ever seen Oh thank God I'm not the only one. --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso <cite>Inviso posted [p:877391623] in Survivor: ... [t:75145292]...</cite> <quote><cite>Eddv posted...</cite> <quote>Yeah i thought Sarahs speech in making what happened all about her was one of the cringiest things i have ever seen</quote> Oh thank God I'm not the only one.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 04/17/17 9:10:49 PM #481:	I think it's an important speech to include. Her speech is exactly what we as a country need more conservative Americans to realize. She was the voice of the previously-ignorant. There are a lot of trans-ignorant people out there watching. If even one of them saw themself in her reaction, and through her reaction realized that if Zeke is trans, then they misunderstood transgenderism as a whole, and it's okay to evolve your views, then it was worth it. I'm willing to bet (and hope) there are a LOT of people in her shoes --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:877394825] in Survivor: ... [t:75145292]...</cite> <quote>I think it's an important speech to include. Her speech is exactly what we as a country need more conservative Americans to realize. She was the voice of the previously-ignorant. There are a lot of trans-ignorant people out there watching. If even one of them saw themself in her reaction, and through her reaction realized that if Zeke is trans, then they misunderstood transgenderism as a whole, and it's okay to evolve your views, then it was worth it. I'm willing to bet (and hope) there are a LOT of people in her shoes</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bwburke94 04/17/17 9:29:49 PM #482:	AdmiralZephyr posted... On a semi-similar note, it appears that the Survivor Wiki is refusing to include any references to Zeke being transgender, and in articles where the incident needs to be referenced it is simply referred to as "sensitive information." As a representative of Survivor Wiki, I stress that it does not have such a policy - but one of my biggest regrets of my 5+ years on the wiki was that we went too far the other way. Back when the information came to light when S33 was airing, I was perfectly willing to out Zeke as transgender, or worse. As I alluded to in the cast ranking, I had a bad experience with Zeke the person due to a certain... incident involving the wiki. As it stands now, we know Zeke was willing to let this be mentioned on-air. The entire viewer base knows, for better or for worse, so there's no reason to keep pretending he was always the same he is now. --- I have a signature now. Signatures are cool. <cite>bwburke94 posted [p:877395960] in Survivor: ... [t:75145292]...</cite> <quote><cite>AdmiralZephyr posted...</cite> <quote>On a semi-similar note, it appears that the Survivor Wiki is refusing to include any references to Zeke being transgender, and in articles where the incident needs to be referenced it is simply referred to as "sensitive information."</quote> As a representative of Survivor Wiki, I stress that it does not have such a policy - but one of my biggest regrets of my 5+ years on the wiki was that we went too far the other way. Back when the information came to light when S33 was airing, I was perfectly willing to out Zeke as transgender, or worse. As I alluded to in the cast ranking, I had a bad experience with Zeke the person due to a certain... incident involving the wiki. As it stands now, we know Zeke was willing to let this be mentioned on-air. The entire viewer base knows, for better or for worse, so there's no reason to keep pretending he was always the same he is now.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Siaperaz 04/18/17 7:37:44 AM #483:	Eddv posted... Yeah i thought Sarahs speech in making what happened all about her was one of the cringiest things i have ever seen You are a really sad individual. --- GO KNICKS!!! <cite>Siaperaz posted [p:877418170] in Survivor: ... [t:75145292]...</cite> <quote><cite>Eddv posted...</cite> <quote>Yeah i thought Sarahs speech in making what happened all about her was one of the cringiest things i have ever seen</quote> You are a really sad individual.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 04/18/17 1:16:27 PM #484:	I was more annoyed by her facial expressions than the speech itself. --- (boring generic non-rotating sig because I posted from not my phone) <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:877433504] in Survivor: ... [t:75145292]...</cite> <quote>I was more annoyed by her facial expressions than the speech itself.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AdmiralZephyr 04/18/17 1:49:00 PM #485:	Jesus Christ, it was an open forum about a huge thing that had just happened, everyone was sharing their thoughts on it, Sarah's just happened to be more personalized, and I'm sure there were a lot of viewers who related to it. --- darkx remembers his friend, GrapefruitKing. RIP :( Games beaten in 2017: 8 (Most recent - Uncharted 4: A Thief's End) <cite>AdmiralZephyr posted [p:877435463] in Survivor: ... [t:75145292]...</cite> <quote>Jesus Christ, it was an open forum about a huge thing that had just happened, everyone was sharing their thoughts on it, Sarah's just happened to be more personalized, and I'm sure there were a lot of viewers who related to it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Eddv 04/18/17 2:14:03 PM #486:	I get what you're saying. At the same time what shes saying "oh thank god i got to know you as you because otherwise id have been super uncomfortable being around a trans person and now i feel like trash?" Like Andrea Tai and others were outraged for zeke but she was shocked and had her own personal internal meltdown ANS she turned it into this big self aggrandizing speech. she let that shock be like "this is how survivor can change you moment". Maybe in real time the others all had long airing out of their feelings too and the edit just makes her look super self involved by accident but her being the only one to speak for more than a moment just wasnt a good look. and I guess i just dont want to give her credit for admitting to being a bigot and now not being sure about that bigotry. --- Board 8's Voice of Reason http://i.imgur.com/chXIw06.jpg <cite>Eddv posted [p:877436963] in Survivor: ... [t:75145292]...</cite> <quote>I get what you're saying. At the same time what shes saying "oh thank god i got to know you as you because otherwise id have been super uncomfortable being around a trans person and now i feel like trash?" Like Andrea Tai and others were outraged for zeke but she was shocked and had her own personal internal meltdown ANS she turned it into this big self aggrandizing speech. she let that shock be like "this is how survivor can change you moment". Maybe in real time the others all had long airing out of their feelings too and the edit just makes her look super self involved by accident but her being the only one to speak for more than a moment just wasnt a good look. and I guess i just dont want to give her credit for admitting to being a bigot and now not being sure about that bigotry.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
eaedwards6400 04/18/17 2:15:50 PM #487:	Is it bigotry? She is saying that there are not trans people where she comes from and she is thankful that she got to know Zeke for Zeke. --- Cheer, Cheer for Old Notre Dame! GO VOTE FOR UCA! ~Join B8 on TEW!~ http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/9339/7vke.jpg <cite>eaedwards6400 posted [p:877437067] in Survivor: ... [t:75145292]...</cite> <quote>Is it bigotry? She is saying that there are not trans people where she comes from and she is thankful that she got to know Zeke for Zeke.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Eddv 04/18/17 2:17:43 PM #488:	The underlying why there is that if she had just heard "that zeke is trans" she probably would have treated him differently because shed have been uncomfortable being around a trans person or at least thats how i heard it and how Jakyl seems to have heard it too. --- Board 8's Voice of Reason http://i.imgur.com/chXIw06.jpg <cite>Eddv posted [p:877437167] in Survivor: ... [t:75145292]...</cite> <quote>The underlying why there is that if she had just heard "that zeke is trans" she probably would have treated him differently because shed have been uncomfortable being around a trans person or at least thats how i heard it and how Jakyl seems to have heard it too.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 04/18/17 2:41:58 PM #489:	I wouldn't go that far. More like she'd have been completely unprepared to handle being around a trans person. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:877438654] in Survivor: ... [t:75145292]...</cite> <quote>I wouldn't go that far. More like she'd have been completely unprepared to handle being around a trans person.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Naye745 04/19/17 1:04:35 AM #490:	i dunno i think its pretty hard for everyone to parse what exactly was going on at that point there was a lot of just instinctive reaction from people and sarah did her best attempt to answer what thoughts were going through her head when she was asked by jeff like i dont really fault people for not liking her comments but i also don't expect her to be the most well-spoken person when asked for an off-the-cuff response to a shocking moment like that --- it's an underwater adventure ride <cite>Naye745 posted [p:877475682] in Survivor: ... [t:75145292]...</cite> <quote>i dunno i think its pretty hard for everyone to parse what exactly was going on at that point there was a lot of just instinctive reaction from people and sarah did her best attempt to answer what thoughts were going through her head when she was asked by jeff like i dont really fault people for not liking her comments but i also don't expect her to be the most well-spoken person when asked for an off-the-cuff response to a shocking moment like that</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Raka_Putra 04/19/17 10:22:01 AM #491:	I think I agree with Naye the most. Not everyone has had the privilege to grow up around tolerant people. --- Fuhlt nicht durch dich Sarastro Todesschmerzen, So bist du meine Tochter nimmermehr-- eeeeeeeeeeeeeeehr. <cite>Raka_Putra posted [p:877490742] in Survivor: ... [t:75145292]...</cite> <quote>I think I agree with Naye the most. Not everyone has had the privilege to grow up around tolerant people.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peridiam 04/19/17 10:28:43 AM #492:	this conversation is triggering me --- http://i.imgur.com/6Lra0Xf.gif http://i.imgur.com/fZbEYu0.gif <cite>Peridiam posted [p:877491018] in Survivor: ... [t:75145292]...</cite> <quote>this conversation is triggering me</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Siaperaz 04/19/17 11:03:05 AM #493:	Damn, next two boots were spoiled to me. --- GO KNICKS!!! <cite>Siaperaz posted [p:877492660] in Survivor: ... [t:75145292]...</cite> <quote>Damn, next two boots were spoiled to me.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
eaedwards6400 04/19/17 11:31:44 AM #494:	Should we make a new topic? --- Brought to you by GameFlux Free GameFAQs app on Google Play! <cite>eaedwards6400 posted [p:877494224] in Survivor: ... [t:75145292]...</cite> <quote>Should we make a new topic?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AdmiralZephyr 04/19/17 12:34:17 PM #495:	Siaperaz posted... Damn, next two boots were spoiled to me. If it's any consolation, the Sucks admins are skeptical about any spoilers past Varner's boot, so maybe take it with a grain of salt? --- darkx remembers his friend, GrapefruitKing. RIP :( Games beaten in 2017: 8 (Most recent - Uncharted 4: A Thief's End) <cite>AdmiralZephyr posted [p:877497827] in Survivor: ... [t:75145292]...</cite> <quote><cite>Siaperaz posted...</cite> <quote>Damn, next two boots were spoiled to me.</quote> If it's any consolation, the Sucks admins are skeptical about any spoilers past Varner's boot, so maybe take it with a grain of salt?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Inviso 04/19/17 8:10:55 PM #496:	Let's finish this topic off. Ozzy can't give up a reward? ffs Ozzy --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso <cite>Inviso posted [p:877525752] in Survivor: ... [t:75145292]...</cite> <quote>Let's finish this topic off. Ozzy can't give up a reward? ffs Ozzy</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Inviso 04/19/17 8:14:07 PM #497:	Brad, why would you get rid of members of your OWN tribe without even CONSIDERING members of the OTHER tribe? --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso <cite>Inviso posted [p:877525938] in Survivor: ... [t:75145292]...</cite> <quote>Brad, why would you get rid of members of your OWN tribe without even CONSIDERING members of the OTHER tribe?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Inviso 04/19/17 8:14:42 PM #498:	XD Debbie --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso <cite>Inviso posted [p:877525978] in Survivor: ... [t:75145292]...</cite> <quote>XD Debbie</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Inviso 04/19/17 8:15:53 PM #499:	Amanda still sucks. --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso <cite>Inviso posted [p:877526048] in Survivor: ... [t:75145292]...</cite> <quote>Amanda still sucks.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Inviso 04/19/17 8:16:02 PM #500:	As does Haley Scarnato's untalented ass. --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso <cite>Inviso posted [p:877526060] in Survivor: ... [t:75145292]...</cite> <quote>As does Haley Scarnato's untalented ass.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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