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MarvelousGerbil 03/20/12 8:50:00 PM #1: |
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/story/2012-03-20/job-applicants-facebook/53665606/1
I mean, I get the "if you don't have anything to hide why should this bother you" mentality but this is pretty over the top. -- http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0w5gaZ9I51r5z4sho3_250.gif?tti ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Westbrick 03/20/12 8:51:00 PM #2: |
One of the many, many reasons not to have a Facebook. So glad I deleted mine!
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Team Rocket Elite 03/20/12 8:55:00 PM #3: |
I mean, I get the "if you don't have anything to hide why should this bother you" mentality but this is pretty over the top.
You do? I think it's ridiculous that a person should be expected to be happy with revealing everything if they haven't done anything wrong. One of the many, many reasons not to have a Facebook. So glad I deleted mine! You are assuming claiming to not have a Facebook account won't count against you. -- SuperNiceDog was not so nice to my bracket. Congrats to SuperNiceDog for winning the Rivalry Rumble Guru Contest! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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_Regaro_ 03/20/12 8:55:00 PM #4: |
It has an easy countermeasure (Just change it after!), but this is absurd. Absurd beyond belief
And I'm surprised they get away with it. This **** shouldn't even be legal -- http://img.imgcake.com/RegaroUlquiorrapngse.png http://img.imgcake.com/regthatchertabletpngyd.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Liquid Wind 03/20/12 8:56:00 PM #5: |
How long at this rate until it's required of you to possess a social network account in order to be eligible for employment?
it already pretty much is it's a really creepy world we live in these days ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BakusaiTenketsu 03/20/12 8:56:00 PM #6: |
How long at this rate until it's required of you to possess a social network account in order to be eligible for any kind of employment?
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Menji76 03/20/12 8:56:00 PM #7: |
1. Deactivate it before interviewing.
2. Change your settings so your name doesn't appear when searched. Still a shady practice. -- Menji+ http://backloggery.com/menji/sig.gif http://www.yourgamercards.net/trophy/24/nb-menji.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Westbrick 03/20/12 8:57:00 PM #8: |
You are assuming claiming to not have a Facebook account won't count against you.
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SBell0105 03/20/12 8:57:00 PM #9: |
who cares if your name appears, just change the picture to something that isn't you and when they say show us this profile you can be like "Thats not me, I can't"
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MarvelousGerbil 03/20/12 8:58:00 PM #10: |
Team Rocket Elite posted...
I mean, I get the "if you don't have anything to hide why should this bother you" mentality but this is pretty over the top. You do? I think it's ridiculous that a person should be expected to be happy with revealing everything if they haven't done anything wrong. I mean that I understand the logic (kind of like getting a drug test, if you're not doing drugs, what do you have to hide?). I still don't agree with it. They could still see things that are easy to misinterpret or that could influence their decisions that they didn't see before. I mean sure, you can't ask someone's religion in a job interview, but God help them if they have it posted on Facebook. -- http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0w5gaZ9I51r5z4sho3_250.gif?tti ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BakusaiTenketsu 03/20/12 8:58:00 PM #11: |
My re-entry into the workforce is going to be hilarious enough as is once my kids are both in school. A male with ~7 years of no employment and a facebook account I made the day before the interview...
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Liquid Wind 03/20/12 8:58:00 PM #12: |
Why would it?
social media is a good source of info for things that they can't legally ask you during an interview or that you may lie about, they want to profile you as thoroughly as possible so maintaining your privacy makes you a less desireable candidate for employment ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Haguile 03/20/12 8:59:00 PM #14: |
From: BakusaiTenketsu | Posted: 3/20/2012 11:58:10 PM | #011 Make one right now and make 30 other false accounts that constantly praise you for ridiculously heroic things. Keep updating that until the day comes. Then your evil plan shall work out just fine! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Westbrick 03/20/12 9:01:00 PM #15: |
"I do not mix my professional life with my personal life", and if that isn't enough you don't take a job with that company. Period.
Well, not everyone has the luxury to be picky like that. If this is indeed the new trend in hiring (and I sure hope it isn't), then having an active Facebook account could cost you a job. Scary stuff. -- Forever LOLphins http://i.imgur.com/Uo04e.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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RevolverSaro 03/20/12 9:02:00 PM #16: |
I'm surprised how many jobs discussed in that article are government jobs. Stuff like 911 dispatchers and stuff
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_Regaro_ 03/20/12 9:03:00 PM #17: |
From: Westbrick | Posted: 3/20/2012 11:01:28 PM | #015 And not having a facebook account could cost you the chance to get a job **** the world -- http://img.imgcake.com/RegaroUlquiorrapngse.png http://img.imgcake.com/regthatchertabletpngyd.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Liquid Wind 03/20/12 9:04:00 PM #18: |
RevolverSaro posted...
I'm surprised how many jobs discussed in that article are government jobs. Stuff like 911 dispatchers and stuff it's exactly as ulti has said social media is an NSA data mine hope you realize that just about anything http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Guantanamo_Bay_detainees_accused_of_possessing_Casio_watches and I do mean ANYTHING can land you in a foreign prison without trial and everyone is just willingly feeding them as much information about themselves as possible, when almost any innocuous thing can be used to blackmail you ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Team Rocket Elite 03/20/12 9:08:00 PM #19: |
It's a hassle but you could always make an alternate safe Facebook profile. That why it doesn't really matter if they access it or not. Another problem with the password question is handing over your password should be the wrong answer. You're a security hazard if you would hand over a password so easily.
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_Regaro_ 03/20/12 9:10:00 PM #20: |
From: Team Rocket Elite | Posted: 3/20/2012 11:08:45 PM | #019 oh god this would be so incredible won't happen though because people are idiots who can't see past the billfold they got, and somebody's paying them to get as much info on their applicants as possible -- http://img.imgcake.com/RegaroUlquiorrapngse.png http://img.imgcake.com/regthatchertabletpngyd.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Liquid Wind 03/20/12 9:12:00 PM #21: |
being a security risk is a secondary concern to someone who isn't malleable, they want weak spineless people that can't say no more than anything else
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Alfalphamale 03/20/12 9:20:00 PM #22: |
social media is a good source of info for things that they can't legally ask you during an interview or that you may lie about, they want to profile you as thoroughly as possible so maintaining your privacy makes you a less desireable candidate for employment
So wrong it's not even funny. I've hired / interviewed many candidates for jobs and generally speaking, the less I know (to an extent) the better. It's easy to judge character, work ethic, intentions, skills, and overall chemistry with an individual based on interviews and talking with them face to face. I do find any reason to not hire someone, and if I have a lot more information that doesn't pertain to the job but it can be based of my own personal preference (ie, facebook information that is publicly shown), then I can nitpick all I want. No facebook? I won't ask for it anyway, I pre-screen that, along with linkedin, youtube, myspace, etc. (I had one guy who was a club promoter and one of his references was a convicted pedo, hurray facebook) Companies that force you to see your information are NOT companies you want to work for. A lesser degree that I've seen is that the employer adds the potential employee as a friend and will be upfront about it. Or if you want to be sneaky, use a doppleganger account. If you are smart enough to clean up your photos on facebook, or deactivate it so I don't find any reason to think you aren't a qualified applicant during prescreening, then you are doing it right. It's like an unwritten part of the interview process, "cover letter, resume, dress shoes, shirt and tie, and a squeaky clean or deactivated facebook page". You can be double cunning by making your own "fake" facebook account with about 20 fake friends and don't post anything in it except some updates once a month. And with your real account make it very private to where you won't show up in the search. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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foolm0ron 03/20/12 9:20:00 PM #23: |
Straight up asking the interviewee what their password is is probably the worst way to actually get into their account. You could just buy all their info from Facebook or just get hackers to get it for you. If you ask the interviewee, they know you are looking, and they will try to hide/delete things, so the stealth aspect is important.
Beyond that, I guess it's dumb to not hire someone if they refuse their password. But then that's only a problem because people are desperate enough for jobs that they will do anything for a job, and the employer knows they can find someone else who WILL give the password. If we actually had a good economy, workers would be more in demand, so you couldn't refuse a worker for such a dumb thing. -- _foolmo_ 'It's easy to get yourself in trouble if you start quoting people who don't like you in your signature' - Mods ... Copied to Clipboard!
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YetAnothrShadow 03/20/12 9:20:00 PM #24: |
Change profile picture
Claim it's not your profile when they search it. Claim you have no facebook. Aversion tactic success. -- Brawl is like ZSS' breasts. Well rounded for casual players http://img.imgcake.com/1319527328883gifad.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Liquid Wind 03/20/12 9:23:00 PM #25: |
Straight up asking the interviewee what their password is is probably the worst way to actually get into their account. You could just buy all their info from Facebook
there's this too mark zuckerberg is a creepy person. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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foolm0ron 03/20/12 9:25:00 PM #26: |
From: Alfalphamale | #022 Interesting Do you ever do further research with usernames of candidates? Like my facebook's url is 'foolmoron' and I have my e-mail listed as 'foolmoron' and such. Would you google that and look at my message board posts or whatever? -- _foolmo_ 'and out of the blue and completely unprovoked came foolmo and his insult' - Anagram ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MarvelousGerbil 03/20/12 9:30:00 PM #27: |
foolm0ron posted...
Do you ever do further research with usernames of candidates? Like my facebook's url is 'foolmoron' and I have my e-mail listed as 'foolmoron' and such. Would you google that and look at my message board posts or whatever? Or hell, do people even care if you're not a boring person who's facebook URL isn't firstname_lastname88? -- http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0w5gaZ9I51r5z4sho3_250.gif?tti ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Alfalphamale 03/20/12 9:31:00 PM #28: |
Do you ever do further research with usernames of candidates? Like my facebook's url is 'foolmoron' and I have my e-mail listed as 'foolmoron' and such. Would you google that and look at my message board posts or whatever?
I go all-out. Any information I receive (Name, Location, School, Age, email name, samples), I will do my best to figure out anything and everything about you. Most of the time it's nothing major. If I see that you have a unique username, most people actually have 1 username they stick with on various mediums (youtube, twitter, facebook, old social networking pages, linkedin) I had one guy who applied for a position that talked about the kinds of people who he hates, one was people who like ufc and drink pbr...well I like both :(. If I'm gonna hire the guy and have him learn from me, we won't get along. Is it fair? Nope. But it makes my job a lot easier. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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foolm0ron 03/20/12 9:33:00 PM #29: |
but seriously you can find my Steam, Piratebay, YTMND, Newgrounds accounts... even my B8 wiki article, which would definitely lead them to L-faqs, allowing them to read all my posts here
oh god BE3 is on the 3rd page of google... that would be bad -- _foolmo_ 'Most people at least try to say something funny. See foolmo's post as an example.' - The Real Truth ... Copied to Clipboard!
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foolm0ron 03/20/12 9:35:00 PM #30: |
At least my employers will see how awesome I am at TF2 before they find my embarrassing stuff
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Alfalphamale 03/20/12 9:36:00 PM #31: |
I have twitter, youtube, linkedin and a website that pretty much gets a feel for who I am and I am not afraid to let employers know the kind of person I am. I have a good sense that most of my information available helps improve my image to people wanting to employ me. (I know I said I hire people, but I am still looking for a better company :))
No facebook or other lack of information doesn't hurt when I prescreen, but if done right...it certainly can help. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Team Rocket Elite 03/20/12 9:37:00 PM #32: |
So wrong it's not even funny. I've hired / interviewed many candidates for jobs and generally speaking, the less I know (to an extent) the better. It's easy to judge character, work ethic, intentions, skills, and overall chemistry with an individual based on interviews and talking with them face to face. I do find any reason to not hire someone, and if I have a lot more information that doesn't pertain to the job but it can be based of my own personal preference (ie, facebook information that is publicly shown), then I can nitpick all I want.
Keep in mind that how other interviewers think isn't necessarily the same way as you. Regardless of if the information is actually useful or not, they might want it anyways. It's not like all interviewers are good at what they do. -- SuperNiceDog was not so nice to my bracket. Congrats to SuperNiceDog for winning the Rivalry Rumble Guru Contest! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Emporer_Kazbar 03/20/12 9:38:00 PM #33: |
Can you imagine if employers went on LFaqs and scrolled through all of a users posts?
What am I saying, of course you can. -- Will not remove this line of my signature until the Seahawks, Jazz or Rockies win a title (Started 5-16-09) SuperNiceDog: Guru winner ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DpObliVion 03/20/12 9:39:00 PM #34: |
This whole pre-screening thing is pretty creepy and awful.
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SmartMuffin 03/20/12 9:41:00 PM #35: |
Asking for a candidate's password is more prevalent among public agencies, especially those seeking to fill law enforcement positions such as police officers or 911 dispatchers.
The government is the worst offender? Well I for one am shocked! -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Alfalphamale 03/20/12 9:44:00 PM #36: |
This whole pre-screening thing is pretty creepy and awful.
And yet I always get the best mold-able talent to train. If it makes you feel any better, if you have a connection...then pre-screening is virtually negated :). Information is powerful, the more info you have the better. As an employer, it takes time, money, and additional staff to train new employees and bring them up to speed, and hope that they actually stay with you and won't leave in a month to a job that pays $1/hr more. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Rad Link 5 03/20/12 9:50:00 PM #37: |
From: MarvelousGerbil | #001 Then why are you even complaining about it? It sounds like you have something to hide. -- Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Police http://img813.imageshack.us/img813/8436/ldt2r.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ExThaNemesis 03/20/12 9:53:00 PM #38: |
The pre-screening thing is a tad unnerving. I'd hate to be dropped from a potential job because of my religious beliefs or political leaning for example.
But I mean all you have to do for it to not be a big issue is not be a bad person and post your bad person crap all over your social networks. -- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v712/ExTha/10and14.jpg 'I am the master of your whole keep. I am the pastor, flock you like sheep.' ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MrGreenonion 03/20/12 9:55:00 PM #39: |
I can get that they may want to have a look, so something like asking you to log in and show them is one thing.
But straight up telling them your password? How can you work for anyone who would ask you something like that? They're completely un-trustable at that point, especially given how big of a deal identity theft is these days. -- SuperNiceDog didn't have to reconcile his name... But Dauntless Hunter is now MrGreenonion ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ExThaNemesis 03/20/12 9:57:00 PM #40: |
From: Alfalphamale | #036 This would be helped if employers learned better how to provide a better working environment and weren't so averse to paying competitive wages. Take my employers for example. "Oh my god we're so strapped for money this economy is killing us. By the way guys you aren't allowed to ask for any time off the next two weeks because we're taking a family vacation to Disney World." Idiots. -- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v712/ExTha/10and14.jpg "You're only smoke and mirrors tonight." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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foolm0ron 03/20/12 9:58:00 PM #41: |
From: Emporer_Kazbar | #033 I think what's worse is that LFaqs archives the TF2 board as well... my posts there are probably way worse than those here -- _foolmo_ 'but that statement is something only an Aspergers patient would say' - UltimaterializerX ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Alfalphamale 03/20/12 10:03:00 PM #42: |
"This would be helped if employers learned better how to provide a better working environment and weren't so averse to paying competitive wages."
So true, but I try to bring about a great learning experience and a great environment for my employees. However, as for my employers... Different story. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ExThaNemesis 03/20/12 10:05:00 PM #43: |
From: Alfalphamale | #042 Yeah my biggest thing whenever we get a new trainee is that I'm nice to them and don't grill them for mistakes early on. The managers are generally so impatient and don't put up with mistakes and it's like "you guys need to chill or you are going to force yet another new recruit out the door who doesn't want to deal with your b****y attitude. You were new once, too." -- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v712/ExTha/10and14.jpg 'You wear your sin like it's some kind of prize.' ... Copied to Clipboard!
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foolm0ron 03/20/12 10:06:00 PM #44: |
From: ExThaNemesis | #043 This is one of the most annoying things people use to defend new guys. Yeah, I was new once, but I was never THAT incompetent -- _foolmo_ 'nice comma splice' - TomNook7 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ExThaNemesis 03/20/12 10:12:00 PM #45: |
From: foolm0ron | #044 Neither was I, but not everyone can operate on our wavelength. Some people take longer. Who is to say that Mr. Incompetent won't get better over time and be a valued team member? -- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v712/ExTha/10and14.jpg "Neon lights, nobel prize. When a mirror speaks, the reflection lies." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Alfalphamale 03/20/12 10:22:00 PM #46: |
Every job that I had I always was behind in the pack, I would make mistakes that no other rookie would make. Eventually my whole tribe hated me for what I couldn't do. But I knew that if I believed really hard, I would be the best.
During my 90 evaluation my teacher didn't think I would pass, I also took he lives of his parents when I was an unborn. However he had a change of heart at the last moment. And he believed in me. Soon, I became a rockstar. Believe it. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ExThaNemesis 03/20/12 10:24:00 PM #47: |
Yes, that's the cynical way to look at it.
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foolm0ron 03/20/12 10:24:00 PM #48: |
wat
-- _foolmo_ 'Ulti is like when your parents post something on your facebook status' - Sir Cobain ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Alfalphamale 03/20/12 10:26:00 PM #49: |
I only had 3 minutes to write that on my iPhone, I tried.
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ExThaNemesis 03/20/12 10:28:00 PM #50: |
The second part of it sounds like it could be the synopsis for an anime, actually.
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