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Ness26
01/21/12 2:48:00 PM
#401:


Vengeful Spirit's recommended items include Manta, BFly, Heart, and Desolator.

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foolm0ron
01/21/12 3:16:00 PM
#402:


-Party chat channel automatically gets focus when you join a party

Hell yes

New profile thing is awesome, too

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The Real Truth
01/21/12 3:24:00 PM
#403:


I don't disagree with Manta. I mean, it's not something I've gotten on her for awhile, especially because I'm normally buying so many damn wards because nobody ever does, but it's still useful. Manta has been my go-to item for awhile on a ton of heroes now. Love the MS from Yasha, HP boost, and ability to confuse the enemy and scout with images. Creates some quick and easy confusion with the fear that the enemy is about to get swapped from one direction only to have the real you in a tree above them.

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The Real Truth
01/21/12 3:24:00 PM
#404:


Oh and there's also the ability to block enemies with images.

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foolm0ron
01/21/12 3:33:00 PM
#405:


Invoker seems so complicatedly awesome.

His voice is the best though... same guy who did Spy in TF2 apparently. Sounds like Magneto.

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Ness26
01/21/12 4:10:00 PM
#406:


From: The Real Truth | #403
I don't disagree with Manta. I mean, it's not something I've gotten on her for awhile, especially because I'm normally buying so many damn wards because nobody ever does, but it's still useful. Manta has been my go-to item for awhile on a ton of heroes now. Love the MS from Yasha, HP boost, and ability to confuse the enemy and scout with images. Creates some quick and easy confusion with the fear that the enemy is about to get swapped from one direction only to have the real you in a tree above them.


It's a 4900 item. If you want MS, get Drums and help the rest of your team too. It has +9 to all stats too.

I can't see how VS is getting that much spare money in a game.

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The Real Truth
01/22/12 7:53:00 AM
#407:


Just had one of my best Pudge games ever. By that I mean the other team was actually decent, but they got so outplayed by my team it was amazing. And I landed almost every hook.

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BlAcK TuRtLe
01/22/12 9:41:00 PM
#408:


Man, Rhasta is the greatest. I went 1-10 in my last game with him, but we won because I went BoT/Aggy/Refresher and was constantly pushing the other team in.

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OctilIery
01/23/12 5:07:00 PM
#409:


I'm currently loving Venomancer, doing decently and welcoming advice :3

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The Real Truth
01/23/12 9:47:00 PM
#410:


That's because Venomancer is amazing. I get boots and a healing potion from the start and wander all game. Most people will think you suck for getting boots first and then they change their mind when you're killing everyone.

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The Real Truth
01/23/12 9:49:00 PM
#411:


Also, with Venomancer. Your first skill should be his Venomous Gale. After that, you just get Poison Sting (I think that's the name) and his wards or stats. Wards if you're pushing hard, stats if you're mostly wandering. Make sure you get at least 1 level in wards regardless, for the poor-man's Observer Ward.

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The Real Truth
01/23/12 9:50:00 PM
#412:


Also, I don't recommend playing Venomancer like me until you play more games. I've played a ton of DotA.

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Aecioo
01/24/12 6:24:00 AM
#413:


Venomancer is one of the strongest heroes in the game if you play to his strengths, which is either roaming, blowing up the enemy mid (if they pick someone you can harass to death), or being in a "kill" lane of sorts.

He is stupidly strong early on and almost guarantees kills against 90% of enemy heroes, and late game he can at least have some decent damage + free vision.

He's the best.

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Ness26
01/24/12 10:54:00 AM
#414:


Na'Vi vs Problem?
Starting now:
http://www.joindota.com/en/live/tobiwan

Edit: Na'Vi being late, as they typically are. Game was supposed to start 25 minutes ago.

The team seems to be full of really cocky, disrespectful people. =/

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BlAcK TuRtLe
01/24/12 2:17:00 PM
#415:


I'm not a fan of Veno. He's too soft for my liking, and his lack of escape mechanism means the only build I enjoy on him is Lothar's/Butterfly

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The Real Truth
01/24/12 2:18:00 PM
#416:


I recommend not getting a Lothars (Shadows Blade in Dota 2 on anyone). It sucks.

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BlAcK TuRtLe
01/24/12 2:22:00 PM
#417:


Veno was pretty much the only time I ever used it. Blink is only useful on heroes that can take a hit, and the damage from Lothar's helps veno a bit.

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Crossfiyah
01/24/12 3:59:00 PM
#418:


Lothars is too expensive and countered by a 200 gold item.

Blink/Force Staff are much better alternatives.

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Aecioo
01/24/12 8:02:00 PM
#419:


People get fooled by the Agi and think Veno is a carry.

He's not.

He's a "stomp all over you early game, push and ult late game". I think it's a big waste to make him not a pseudo carry/support mix for late game. Going straight carry on him is a waste of gold.

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OctilIery
01/25/12 2:48:00 AM
#420:


From: Aecioo | #419
People get fooled by the Agi and think Veno is a carry.

He's not.

He's a "stomp all over you early game, push and ult late game". I think it's a big waste to make him not a pseudo carry/support mix for late game. Going straight carry on him is a waste of gold.


This is exactly how I play him. He's a great ganker early game, and late game it's all about support - he's not a hard carry but he wins fights and then just wrecks everything. Get an early Scepter to buff his already insane ult, and then Force Staff for positioning. I've been using Shadow Blade too, but only as a late game item. It still has a bunch of uses, mainly quick chasing and escaping in teamfights, or better positioning.

Also, I've been doing Shadow Fiend, and loving him. I'm getting quite used to the skillshots, and his ult is just devastating.

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Ness26
01/26/12 8:06:00 AM
#421:


Why is Riki's mother crying?



She lost him at 6.

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The Real Truth
01/26/12 8:13:00 AM
#422:


lolol

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The Real Truth
01/26/12 8:14:00 AM
#423:


That's why she sent the Bounty Hunter after him.

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Ness26
01/26/12 4:14:00 PM
#424:


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Ness26
01/26/12 7:17:00 PM
#425:


Clinkz is the newest hero.

http://blog.dota2.com

Also everything got broken again. Some people can pick Phantom Assassin, Layana, Gyrocopter, and Bane. These heroes break the game in horrible ways. Even bots are randoming onto Bane.

Oooops.

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Shoenin_Kakashi
01/26/12 7:20:00 PM
#426:


Clinkz looks awesome

Too bad people are just going to feed like crazy with him when he comes out

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Ness26
01/26/12 7:22:00 PM
#427:


Clinkz and Pudge have this strange, magical ability to attract really bad players.

I don't know what it is about those two heroes that is so appealing.

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The Real Truth
01/26/12 8:16:00 PM
#428:


I just played a game where the Pudge fell halfway through the floor and then disappeared completely while devouring me.

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MUKMASTER2
01/26/12 11:10:00 PM
#429:


yay i got my dota2 invite.

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MUKMASTER2
01/27/12 7:38:00 AM
#430:


Boo my laptop can't play dota 2. How the hell am I gonna play against other people when I lagged out of a solo custom game :(

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janembaman
01/27/12 7:51:00 AM
#431:


Bone Fletcher is one of those heroes that has no reason to exist in Dota in the year 2012
He just...doesn't fit
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foolm0ron
01/27/12 11:30:00 AM
#432:


I get Shadow Blade on Windrunner towards end-game for the lulz if I have extra money cuz then I will pretty much constantly have a speed buff.

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MUKMASTER2
01/27/12 9:12:00 PM
#433:


Playing a few games with bots, holy **** why are my bot teammates so bad. Even on the easiest difficulty, my teammate bots are all 0-10 10 minutes into the game.

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Xiahou Shake
01/28/12 12:05:00 AM
#434:


Just played Windrunner for the first time.
Holy hell that gal is WAY too much fun.

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Xiahou Shake
01/28/12 12:06:00 AM
#435:


From: MUKMASTER2 | #433
Playing a few games with bots, holy **** why are my bot teammates so bad. Even on the easiest difficulty, my teammate bots are all 0-10 10 minutes into the game.


I haven't messed with bots much since the first few weeks, but it seems to me like bots on the enemy team can exercise teamwork/gank tactics just fine, while bots on your team tend to spend most of their time running in circles on opposite ends of the map. >_>

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Shoenin_Kakashi
01/28/12 12:07:00 AM
#436:


All the bots are stupid pieces of **** that need to fall off a cliff and die

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The Real Truth
01/28/12 12:08:00 AM
#437:


Dota is too open-ended to have reliable bots.

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Xiahou Shake
01/28/12 12:15:00 AM
#438:


From: The Real Truth | #437
Dota is too open-ended to have reliable bots.


Yeah, this might be the case, but there's a pretty clear discrepancy between how allied bots and enemy bots behave. >_>

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The Real Truth
01/28/12 12:17:00 AM
#439:


Well I don't really ever play with bots aside from when I played a game with Shoe and some friends. Before that, I don't remember when the last time was. I just remember the bots on both teams being dumb.

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Ness26
01/28/12 7:08:00 AM
#440:


From: Xiahou Shake | #434
Just played Windrunner for the first time.
Holy hell that gal is WAY too much fun.


I say it all the time -- WR is the best hero.

As for bots, lowering the difficulty also makes them weaker on your side. Right now the bots are really uneven. If you happened to get Sniper, Razor, Tide, and Windrunner you can probably win even if you do nothing. Zeus, CM, and Vengeful Spirit? They'll be dying constantly.

It's really just a matter of luck on if you get the bots with decent AI.

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Aecioo
01/28/12 11:00:00 AM
#441:


Xiahou Shake posted...
Just played Windrunner for the first time.
Holy hell that gal is WAY too much fun.


I never really pick WR since she's just kind of... there... and when I have to support I'd rather Lion or Rhasta or something.

And then two days ago I randomed Windrunner after not playing her for years and remembered how awesomely fun and strong she is.

also just won with Clinkz. He does still feel ancient (oh ho ho), but laning with a good witch doctor made the game awesome.

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Shoenin_Kakashi
01/28/12 11:02:00 AM
#442:


I wouldnt mind WR if her shackle didnt **** me over at every opportunity

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Aecioo
01/28/12 11:05:00 AM
#443:


Shoenin_Kakashi posted...
I wouldnt mind WR if her shackle didnt **** me over at every opportunity

Not sure I know what you mean =/

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Shoenin_Kakashi
01/28/12 11:06:00 AM
#444:


*someone shoots me with shackle*
*Ties me up to random creep in front of me, bout 700 range away*

welp

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Ness26
01/28/12 11:50:00 AM
#445:


Shackle's targeting is decided when WR fires it, not when it hits you. This can make things a bit weird at times.

She's just a lot of fun to play. Incredibly versatile, her skills are fairly low CD/mana, and Shackle/Powershot are both really satisfying to land. Plus once you get get Force Staff / Phase you get to laugh at people that think they can kill you.

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Aecioo
01/28/12 12:31:00 PM
#446:


Shoenin_Kakashi posted...
*someone shoots me with shackle*
*Ties me up to random creep in front of me, bout 700 range away*

welp


But that's what makes her so fun to play!

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Ness26
01/28/12 12:40:00 PM
#447:


Invoker is in the Na'Vi vs GoSu game.

Holy crap it's amazing to see a good player play him. No wonder he's (normally) always banned.

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Xiahou Shake
01/28/12 12:48:00 PM
#448:


This is one of the best matches I've seen in DotA 2 so far. So many great moments.

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Ness26
01/28/12 1:05:00 PM
#449:


Moscow 5 vs Western Wolves earlier today was an amazing game. Very intense.

I don't think there was anything quite as impressive as the Invoker/Prophet skirmishes, but it was a FUN game to watch.

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Ness26
01/28/12 2:22:00 PM
#450:


And just played my first Dota 2 Invoker game -- against bots since I barely touched Invoker in Dota 1.

It was really entertaining. Playing Magicka definitely helped getting spells out quickly lol. By the end of the match I was actually making use of the 2 second CD on Invoke which is a first for me. Hardest thing was managing the cooldowns on all your skills... and early game mana management is a nightmare.

I still don't see how he hasn't been nerfed more. He has some amazing abilities and late game can do anything. Can go invis, stun, disarm, mana burn, slow, global nuke, summon creatures, buff DPS... good grief.

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