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Kyuubi4269 posted...

In other words:

"Even when problems are addressed, we still think it's a problem, and since it's already defunct, there's nothing you can do to rectify it. Please submit to X group, you are irredeemably a villain for your race."

It's more "the problem isn't actually fixed even though you took away the immediate causes, so keep trying to fix it."

Krazy_Kirby posted...

hair has microscopic differences, front teeth have different shape on the inner side, etc.

In other words, things that mean absolutely nothing for virtually any everyday interactions. Some of those differences are medically relevant, but those that aren't doctors can generally ignore that.

When people say "race is a social construct," they're not saying "race only exists because people say it does," they're saying "race only matters because people say it does." Different races exist, certainly, and they always will, but there's no particular reason for people to care about that at all, let alone to enough of an extent to introduce significant problems.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

And? I've had payment at a job withheld before, should I be going to their corporate office everyday to harass them now it's been resolved? Be a big boy and move on, it's not a concern now.

If you have lasting damages from that they have not been adequately compensated? Yes. Absolutely. If not, then you're creating a false equivalency and your point can be safely dismissed as being nonsense.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

Nobody's denying that, and like I said originally, you have to be a petty little b**** to cry about things like that. That's applicable to essentially every person on earth, everybody has a postion that's better than someone else based on the most likely immoral actions of someone in their lineage. That's life, once future transgressions are blocked, you move on.

The whole point is that, on a societal scale, some groups have experienced such significant transgressions that they remain significantly disadvantaged for it. We're not talking about individuals and the differences between them, we're talking about populations, where statistically significant differences do exist.

Also, the idea that "future transgressions are blocked" in a discussion of racism would be hilariously naive if people with the power to act on that belief didn't genuinely believe it.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

You sure do, you could go in to these fields, do new studies, build up useful information. But no, you'd rather b**** and whine about ridiculous nonsense and expect eveybody else to do the legwork to get the things you care about. Cause and effect is very important, and you seem to want to squander your ability to create change to try and make someone else do it for you.

Or you can demand that the people that are already in the positions to effect that change honour the responsibility that those positions carry (or be removed if they refuse to allow the position to be occupied by somebody more scrupulous). It's not remotely reasonable to expect that everybody that finds a problem with society gets themselves into a position to solve that problem personally. Nothing would ever get fixed that way.